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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Disability Management Employer Coalition

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A tag has been placed on Draft:Disability Management Employer Coalition, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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February 2022

Please do not add promotional material to Wikipedia. While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for soapboxing, advertising or promotion. Declaring an interest doesn't permit you to dump unsourced promo here. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:17, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Absence Management (February 12)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by S0091 was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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S0091 (talk) 23:16, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jeffb347! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! S0091 (talk) 23:16, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Managing a conflict of interest

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I missed your declaration on your User page so apologies for that but please do read policies I linked. S0091 (talk) 23:30, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Need to disclose client

Hi Jeff, apologies for the multiple messages but you do also need to disclose the client you are representing. Again, please read the neutral point of view policy and What Wikipedia is not. if you have questions or need help, you can ask at the Teahouse. S0091 (talk) 23:45, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Absence Management has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Absence Management. Thanks! S0091 (talk) 21:58, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Disability Management Employer Coalition (June 15)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Kvng was:  The comment the reviewer left was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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~Kvng (talk) 20:24, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Absence management has been accepted

Absence management, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Disability Management Employer Coalition (July 11)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by VersaceSpace was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Disability Management Employer Coalition and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
• If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Disability Management Employer Coalition, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
• If you do not make any further changes to your draft in the next 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
• If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

--VersaceSpace 🌃 16:35, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Jeffb347

Thank you for creating Absence management.

User:Slywriter, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Is this about a management tool? COVID? Criticism of the United States? This reads more like a paper than an article and seems to use the subject as an excuse to delve into other employment topics

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Slywriter}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

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Slywriter (talk) 22:47, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter: The Absence Management page is (supposed to be) about a growing specialty within Human Resource departments in the US (likely around the world, but I didn't expand my research beyond the US). Absence Management took a leap in importance during the pandemic when companies were faced with new challenges around managing remote workforces and the skyrocketing costs of employee illness. Companies of all sizes require some level of expertise, either internal or through external partners, to remain in compliance with a challenging legal landscape. I'd be very interested in any specific suggestions for improvements.

jeffb347

Jeffb347 (talk) 20:02, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Jeffb347, Its not written in an encyclopedic tone. The article should be just facts. Right now there is alot of language that would be found in an essay or marketing materials.

For example, "The United States lags other industrialized countries when it comes to federally mandated paid leave including parental leave for the birth or adoption of a child, employee illness, or to care for a sick child, spouse, or another close relative" is sourced to a map that doesn't quite say that even if true.

same with "The pandemic made it imperative that sick employees stay home to avoid infecting others. Many, especially those in low-paying jobs with no paid sick leave, couldn't afford to miss work" That seems to be your analysis not what is stated in a source.

This theme is theouggout article. Any material not found in sources can and will be removed as it will fail WP:V and potentially constitute WP:OR Slywriter (talk) 20:30, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter

Text copied from the article:

"Even prior to the pandemic, many organizations told employees to stay home if they were ill, to avoid infecting others. Now, the need to do so is imperative.

In a remote or hybrid work environment, however, employees who are technically "sick" may be physically or mentally able to continue working from the safety of their own homes. That could mean less need for paid sick leave.

Then there are the remote employees who are taking advantage of the opportunity to enjoy "workations"—if they can work from anywhere, why not from a vacation destination? And if they're working, there's no need to use their PTO or vacation time, even if they are on a beach or at a resort."

Despite that being clearly in the reference, I'm updating this section and will post an update, soon. I've also sourced the other reference you called out. This article is fact-based and well sourced. It doesn't seem to have much different tone than the Presenteeism article that it links to. Jeffb347 (talk) 22:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Actually, that's even worse. It is a copyvio as written. You need to do better to summarize the sources, not just plop what they wrote with minimal changes. If the rest of the article is that way then it explains why it seems like an essay, you are lightly editing other's work and posting, rather than summarizing. Wikipedia articles should be dry recitation of facts. Slywriter (talk) 22:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter

I'm really trying to address your concerns but I simply don't understand. I'm not trying to be difficult. When I recited facts stated in the article, you believe that it is my analysis and not stated in the source. When I point to the specific supporting statements in the source, then I'm "lightly editing". What I'm attempting to do is summarize key points from dozens of sources to describe the overall concept. All my statements are supported by references. None of it is my analysis. Jeffb347 (talk) 22:56, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

When something is phrased as a question, its conversational and not encyclopedic. Intially, that gave impression you were writing an essay. Now that you pointed out where the line is from, it's worse because you are taking the copyrighted thought and placing it into a wikipedia article. That's not how an encyclopedia article is written. You read the source, you summarize the concepts without taking their exact words (or close paraphrasing - which is what you are doing). If a statement is important enough, you quote it. Otherwise, you summarize.

So for the specific statement something like - Lin Gresing-Pophal stated that remote workers could continue to work while sick and have less need for paid sick time. They also state that some remote workers may take the opportunity to travel and have "workations" without using their vacation time while others are choosing not to travel and maintaining excessive leave balances.

That avoids copy-vio and the tone issue. It's a dry summary of what they said in their article and can be expanded to include more concepts in the article. Slywriter (talk) 03:05, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

@Slywriter That is clear. Thank you. I appreciate your patience and support Jeffb347 (talk) 23:34, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Disability Management Employer Coalition

Hello, Jeffb347. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Disability Management Employer Coalition".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. ✗plicit 09:08, 7 April 2023 (UTC)