User talk:Jeff G./Archives/2007/May

Fair Use images

Hate to be a bother, but I noticed that you've been adding logos to the {{sharedIP}} template messages. Unfortunately for us, Fair Use policy dictates that these images are allowed only in the article namespace (See Fair Use Policy #9). Since these template messages appear in the User namespace, they should not include these logos. I've reverted a bunch of them, but I'm not finished, so feel free to help out. In any case, please make sure that you just include the company name from now on. Thanks a lot! tiZom_(2¢) 05:33, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. I'm sorry, I wasn't fully aware of the implications of #9, and the images did beautify {{sharedip}}. Did someone complain? In each case, the wikilink for the ISP (and therefore the appropriate replacement wikilink) should be blatantly obvious for each image - I tried to make sure of that by checking that the "File links" section for each image included the ISP's mainspace page, but I may have missed a small percentage. I anticipate being very short on time until perhaps Thursday afternoon, but I'll try to help when I can.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 12:20, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

It appears I'm done replacing all the nonfree images I put in sharedip tags in IP user space. If you find more, PLEASE wikify any replacement text you add. Thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 20:44, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, nobody complained. But a very long time ago, I was barred from including the "Olympic Rings" image from a template I was working on. Ever since then, I've been very keen on noticing when these images are used outside of the article space.

Also, sorry I didn't think to wikilink the ISPs. Thanks for taking care of that for me :o) tiZom_(2¢) 19:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! Apology accepted :o)   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 17:16, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Your message

Thanks for letting me know — I'd probably not have noticed for days... I must get into the habit of checking back regularly. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:01, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 12:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for changing the text at Image:Bertalanffy.jpg. For me it was the first time I want to use the fair use to get a picture at an article. One question though. Does it make any difference that I have the book in my possesion? - Mdd 23:43, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

If yoy could take a look at my last question Does it make any difference that I have the book in my possesion? I really would appreciate that. Thanks. - Mdd 12:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, my reply got lost. It would be good if you could give some detail as to where the photo was on the book jacket, how the image of the photo went from book jacket to the final form you uploaded to Wikipedia. Something like "I borrowed a copy of from a friend on 6 May 2007, and over the next two days scanned the photo on the bottom of the back of the book jacket with my Canon scanner, cleaned up, and converted to JPG with Microsoft Paint." would certainly help.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 21:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. The details are that the book is in my possesion. The photo is on the top part of the back cover. It's a black & white picture with I scanned with my hp scanjet 4470c as a colour picture and lowered the scanning-rate to the minimal rate possible. I scanned the picture into (Corel PHOTO-PAINT special edition 1988-98) as a colour picture to get some more contrast and life in the picture. The photo was first saved in a .cdr format. After that the picture was saved as .jpg with a 64x compression. This jpg image was then uploaded to Wikipedia.

The thing is however, that I want to use the picture claiming fair use. As guy from Holland I have very little experience with this, and would realy like to know more about it. So please tell me if I can do more? ... I realize the picture is still 19K big and lots of pictures seems only 5K. If this is for example necessary then it is no problem reducing the picture a little more. The question is if this or other thing are necessary? - Mdd 18:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I've uploaded a second picture of Bertalanffy, see Image:Bertalanffy III.jpg. Is that more how Wikipedia want to see it? - Mdd 18:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I've edited both image description pages and the Ludwig von Bertalanffy article. What do you think?   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 21:25, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

The template you made is quite impressive... and gives the opportunity to give very detailled and structured information. I do think however that the Licensing tag should come first. I have been doing some more reading and talking about this this evening, see [1]. And it is all becoming more clear to me. To fill in the template a person maybe also should study and talk for one evening to be able to fill the template... and that seems like a pitty. Or maybe a very good investment!?

I created the strange situation, that I have now uploaded two of the same images. I do thing that Image:Bertalanffy III.jpg is to far compressed.

I also read that you don't like smokers and maybe also think that Bertalanffy isn't looking to healty at the picture. The lack of pictures of Bertalanffy seems to be a bigger problem, namely a lack of pictures of systems scientists. Maybe they all didn't like their picture taken? Thanks for all the efforts. - Mdd 22:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment on the template. Perhaps you're right about its placement in a description page. I also think Image:Bertalanffy III.jpg is too far compressed, but I haven't seen a satisfactory answer as to how low the resolution should be (perhaps a maximum longer dimension of 180px, the width of the default thumbnail?). I'm sorry if I took "Cover art: Cover art from various items, for identification and critical commentary (not for identification without critical commentary)." on Wikipedia:Non-free content#Images too literally, but I had to criticize something and still stay sourced and encyclopedic.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 22:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this feed back on the Bertalanffy image. You are questioning how low the resolution must be. I looked towards the K-Byte amount. 18K looked like a lot to me, but I've seen that there are also copywrited pictures with 1M. That doesn't seem right (if I have to criticize something also). It made me think that the 18K wasn't so bad after all. Best regards and thanks - Mdd 23:24, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

You're invited!

Thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 18:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:ComeAsYouAre.jpg

Hello, JeffGent. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:ComeAsYouAre.jpg) was found at the following location: User:JeffGent/Nevermind temp. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 22:40, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 18:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Image:InBloom.jpg

Hello, JeffGent. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:InBloom.jpg) was found at the following location: User:JeffGent/Nevermind temp. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 09:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 18:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Babel levels

Hi, I noticed you added an xx-6 level to the Babel levels page. Please don't do this without discussing it first on Wikipedia talk:Babel. In case you discussed this a long time ago and the discussion is already archives, please accept my apologies, but please also show where the discussion was made and how consensus was reached.

I say this having participated in the xx-5 discussion, a level which was vehemently opposed by many Wikipedians. When consensus was reached to approve it for English, it was made clear that this was the highest level - as in, to use this level, you absolutely must be a professional, for example a professional translator of this language, having a degree in literature, or something similar. Unfortunately, as many users have predicted, this level is used by many Wikipedians who have poor language skills and don't actually understand what it means. This does not detract from the intended meaning of xx-5 as the professional (read: uber-godlike) level.

In short, please discuss before adding any more levels. Also, please reply on my talk page if it's not too much trouble.

-- Ynhockey ^(Talk) 16:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Politics of Tonga

Please don't put templates in article space. It doesn't negate fair use policy, and just makes a mess. Zetawoof_(ζ) 09:09, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, and thanks for your concern. What do you suggest we do with the "Politics of XX" infobox templates that have non-free images on them (that is, just about all of them)? I thought I had found a creative solution, short of substing then trashing the templates, or trashing the images. Thanks!   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 09:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Find alternative images. Remember that fair-use policy dictates that FU images be used to "contribute significantly to an article", not as a decorative element. Zetawoof_(ζ) 09:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

From what I gather, there are very few. The image copyright holders (the monarchs, legislatures, etc. that run the countries) hold their crests and flags very dear to their hearts. Have you read 1988 Revised Edition of "the Tonga Royal Arms and Flag Act" ("ROYAL ARMS AND FLAG ACT - Act No. 17 of 1962 - AN ACT TO PREVENT THE UNAUTHORIZED USE OF THE TONGA COAT OF ARMS AND THE ROYAL ENSIGN", "His Majesty in Council", "Kingdom of Tonga") (as available online at http://legislation.to/Tonga/DATA/PRIN/1988-007/RoyalArmsandFlagAct.pdf)? It's quite short, and I've excerpted the relevant portions of it at commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Image:SilaTonga.svg.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 09:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

So, time to get creative... I don't know much about Tonga; are there any really iconic landmarks or buildings? Failing that, would a map of the country be recognizable? (Yeah, I think this is a pretty silly situation, but we're sort of backed into a corner, what with the flag and coat of arms being effectively unusable.) Zetawoof_(ζ) 20:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know much about Tonga either.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 16:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Re: Your edit to 09:F9:11:02:9D:74:E3:5B:D8:41:56:C5:63:56:88:C0

You applied a warning template to my talk page, which as read accuses me of posting content in violation of copyright. Whether or not to use the AACS decryption key literally has been being discussed on Talk:AACS encryption key controversy, where I invite you to participate. (I'll also note incidentally that the links in the template don't work; what you were supposedly warning me against doing (publishing a DMCA-violating copyright circumvention device) doesn't match the warning language on the template; and in any case it's rendered moot by the consensus to include the number literal in the article as appropriate.)

Also, a tip on communicating with other editors: it's considered rude to "warn" long time editors and administrators with boilerplate templates rather than engaging them personally. I just wanted to let you know this, since I assume it was not your intent to be rude, so as to save you the embarrassment of making a gaffe.

Cheers, and happy editing!

Demi ^T/_C 19:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I was overzealous about that, I hadn't finished reading up on it yet.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 16:56, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Re. Fair image use at Infobox:Politics of Tonga

Hi dear Jeff, I'm sorry it took me a day to get back to you regarding this matter. The way I see it, the deletion was in order since, although I know you mean well, circumventing the process cannot be allowed. Moving a template into article space (and transcluding it) because fair use of image in template space is not allowed wasn't an appropriate solution, even more so when fair use in article space should be resorted to when absolutely necessary. Having that image which, as you said yourself, "The image copyright holders (the monarchs, legislatures, etc. that run the countries) hold (...) very dear to their hearts" for simple decorative purposes completely escapes our fair use policies. he use of the g6 criteria may have been unclear, and maybe g12 would have been more appropriate; however, I meant to use the term "housekeeping" in the context of removing inappropriate content from one namespace. I intended to create the template in the proper namespace before replying to you, but I see the task has already been done. Hope this explanation satisfies you, and I wish to make completely clear that I know your intentions were good and in the best interest of our project; but unfortunately, they also were not within due process. Best regards, Phaedriel - 00:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and placed the national flag image in the infobox. While it is not the standard, I hope it works. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 09:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

You didn't like my creative inclusion to keep the coat of arms from displaying in template space?   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 17:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

It pretty much made the box repeat twice and people would still have removed the image. Anyways, I saw what happened on the Commons with the Coat of Arms image and I highly doubt it will be fair use (I also high doubt it will be deleted too). So, once the situation on the Commons is over, I am sure you will use the arms image again. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 19:00, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for you explanation.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 17:04, 24 May 2007 (UTC)