Jbsmitty

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March 2023

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Tim Sheehy. Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. tedder (talk) 16:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, it appears that you and 96.83.159.121‎ (talk) are making COI/promotional edits to various forms of Tim Sheehy articles (see also Draft:Tim Sheehy (businessman)). That involves reverts, undoing edits, repeatedly pasting in the same content, and so on. You're doing this without communicating your intentions. Please use article talk pages, preferably Draft talk:Tim Sheehy (businessman), to explain your intent. Otherwise editors will continue to think that you are just attempting to spam Wikipedia.

Further, if you are editing as the IP address, either edit as this IP address, or as the user, not both. tedder (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I am just trying to help an acquaintance with tweaks to keep this page live. I have made an additional round of updates to the draft page: Draft:Tim Sheehy (businessman). Are there other tweaks you would recommend to keep this page live? Feels like it's being targeted a bit by a single user (who is stonewalling, and not being helpful like some of the other editors). Jbsmitty (talk) 17:18, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

It's not "a single user", it's about a half-dozen editors who are attempting to maintain some sort of order. Having the exact article pasted in by an IP and two different registered users (Shallmonthly (talk · contribs)) catches eyes of people who are doing various things like looking for new articles that have been created, disambiguation pages that are stomped on, and COI filters. When the article was moved to Drafts it had a button to put it through review when you're done editing. You removed that. A bot added a category template and the possibly-related-to-you IP removed it. Thankfully @KylieTastic: put the draft template back there. I'd suggest using the talk page (Draft talk:Tim Sheehy (businessman)) to ask questions for improvement, but you need to be patient and follow the process rather than "fighting" over things like basic templates, it doesn't lead to good will. tedder (talk) 17:49, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the guidance. This is the first time I've worked on a page, and to be honest, I know there are a few others trying to get it approved as well. I'm not invested in a long-term presence on the platform -- just trying to help someone out. I will see if there are any suggestions via the talk option before submitting it. Thanks again. Jbsmitty (talk) 19:02, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I am still being stonewalled by the same editor. He mentions "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships."

None of these are the case.

Furthermore, I cannot directly respond to the user in question because the option is grayed-out on my end.

He also mentions the issue of notability, which can widely be subjective.

My main point here is, if the business the subject founded and is currently the CEO of (among other achievements) is considered 'noteworthy' enough to be published, why would said founder and CEO not also be considered noteworthy? The page here has been live since October of 2022: Bridger Aerospace Jbsmitty (talk) 17:14, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tim Sheehy (businessman) (March 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Onel5969 was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

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Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:04, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

You mentions "Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial and other relationships."

None of these are the case. No one is getting paid to set this page up.

You mention the issue of notability, which can widely be subjective. If the business the subject founded and is currently the CEO of (among other achievements) is considered 'noteworthy' enough to be published, why would said founder and CEO not also be considered noteworthy? The page here has been live since October of 2022: Bridger Aerospace

The page appears to be well-sourced -- and many national news sources regularly mention the subject. Jbsmitty (talk) 17:21, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

I also see where you have nominated the photo on the page for deletion. You claim that it has violated copyright. This is not the case, as far as I am aware. Can you show where copyright has been violated or was the a subjective conclusion? I also see where you made the same claims with the photo that was listed prior -- which is the headshot the subject uses on a company website. Can you show where this first photo violated copyright? Jbsmitty (talk) 17:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jbsmitty! Having an article draft declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Onel5969 TT me 17:04, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

Blocked as a sockpuppet

Wikipedia's technical logs indicate that this user account has been or may be used abusively as a sockpuppet of User:Shallmonthly per the evidence presented at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Shallmonthly. It has been blocked indefinitely from editing to prevent abuse.

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ST47 (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

{{unblock| Not sure what a 'sock puppet' is. Shallmontlhy was an initial account that was made, but without a verified email. I was getting a password error on attempts to re-login, and ended up setting up a new account entirely. I believe whatever logs you have access to will show that the account was locked due to incorrect password. Sorry for the prior comment; it wasn't letting me login, which I assumed was connected to the block. ~~~~}} Jbsmitty (talk) 17:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

{{unblock | Looking to keep this moving forward. The other account in question is one that I do not have access to, as the password it was set up with is coming back as 'invalid' and no email was tied to the account to have it reset. It is an inactive account. ~~~~}} Jbsmitty (talk) 14:46, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

{{unblock | Hi -- still waiting input here. ~~~~}} Jbsmitty (talk) 17:31, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Jbsmitty (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Not sure what a 'sock puppet' is. Shallmontlhy was an initial account that was made, but without a verified email. I was getting a password error on attempts to re-login, and ended up setting up a new account entirely. I believe whatever logs you have access to will show that the account was locked due to incorrect password. 96.83.159.121 (talk) 16:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Procedural decline. You must sign in to your account for your unblock request to be considered. Make sure you read and thoroughly understand WP:SOCK before you do so. Yamla (talk) 16:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

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So when you were asked about using multiple accounts above, you stated "This is the first time I've worked on a page, and to be honest, I know there are a few others trying to get it approved as well." tedder (talk) 17:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tedder -- Replying here because it won't let me reply below without re-submitting. To my knowledge, there are several other people trying to get this page approved. I am not the only person working on this page. This is indeed my first time working on a wiki page. Jbsmitty (talk) 17:16, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

(de-indenting for list) You were consistently using the IP account and this account at the same time. Here's the problem:

Mar 15
IP edited at 18:05
user at      18:08
IP edited at 18:10
IP edited at 18:13
user at      18:14
user at      18:15
IP edited at 20:28

Mar 16
user at      13:43
IP edited at 13:48
user at      13:55
user at      14:18
user at      14:24
IP edited at 16:13
user at      16:29
IP edited at 16:32
user at      16:44
user at      16:47
IP edited at 17:08

Please read WP:SOCK. tedder (talk) 17:29, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I am not sure how that would be possible because the account here was only created after the other one was locked. I am not sure what the inherent advantage would be of having two accounts. As a first-time user, I have been asking how I can get the page approved in a way that conforms to community standards. You have been the only editor willing to spend time helping through this process. I replied directly to the user who has been stonewalling, and never received a reply. I believe I raised valid points regarding notability, but have not received a response there either. Jbsmitty (talk) 15:06, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

{{unblock | Looking to keep this moving forward. The other account in question is one that I do not have access to, as the password it was set up with is coming back as 'invalid' and no email was tied to the account to have it reset. It is an inactive account. ~~~~}} Jbsmitty (talk) 17:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

{{unblock|Hi -- still waiting input here.}}

Deactivating this unsigned non-appeal as there is an appeal at ArbCom which is under consideration. Cabayi (talk) 08:13, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Jbsmitty, let me correct some of your misunderstandings.

• "there are a few others trying to get it approved"

A few others are correcting the errors in your edits. They are long-term editors who want to ensure your draft complies with the project's standards.

• "I am just trying to help an acquaintance with tweaks to keep this page live."

That is a conflict of interest. It may not be paid, but it is a COI.

• "I'm not invested in a long-term presence on the platform -- just trying to help someone out."

Just about everyone you have interacted with is invested. You're trying to help an acquaintance, everyone else is trying to build an encyclopedia.

• "the issue of notability, which can widely be subjective"

Maybe elsewhere, but notability is a long established guideline on Wikipedia.

• "If the business the subject founded and is currently the CEO of (among other achievements) is considered 'noteworthy' enough to be published, why would said founder and CEO not also be considered noteworthy?"

Because he does not WP:INHERIT notability from the company. Navy lieutenants are not generally notable unless they have done something notable. Bronze stars don't exhibit that level of notability. Politicians are notable once they are elected, not when they are possibly, maybe, contemplating the possibility of perhaps running for office.

• " I am not sure what the inherent advantage would be of having two accounts."

Read WP:SOCK. In this case, astroturfing would be a plausible reason. It also has a downside, impacting politicians' credibility when they're caught.

-- Cabayi (talk) 09:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Appeal accepted

The Arbitration Committee has resolved to grant your appeal, and I have unblocked your account.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,

Cabayi (talk) 09:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

As a personal note I'll advise against any further campaigning on Wikipedia, and that you take more care of your account's login credentials. Cabayi (talk) 09:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

May 2023

Hello, I noticed that you may have recently made edits while logged out. Please be mindful not to perform controversial edits while logged out, or your account risks being blocked from editing. Please consider reading up on Wikipedia's policy on multiple accounts before editing further. Additionally, making edits while logged out reveals your IP address, which may allow others to determine your location and identity. If this was not your intention, please remember to log in when editing. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 09:32, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tim Sheehy (businessman) (September 6)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Nagol0929 was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit after they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Tim Sheehy (businessman) and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Nagol0929 (talk) 13:15, 6 September 2023 (UTC)