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Tibet Maps

I didn't find the map I commented about (to add Ngari). But on the Map of the empire I can say that 'Tuyuhun' and 'Azha' look like they are two places, but they are just the Chinese and Tibetan words for the same palce respectively. Lhasa was around in the Empire, it was calledd Ra sa, but there is no particular reason to think it is important. As for other cities, a lot of places are mentioned in the Dunhuang sources, but I don't have a good sense of geography. Gutram Hazod has a great appendix to Brandon Dotson's new book about the Annals which discusses Old Tibetan places in the greatest detail that has been achieved so far. Tibetologist (talk) 07:28, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Wow, that's fascinating. I always thought the Potala was built on the site of the tsänpos' palace. Is that just a legend? At what point did Lhasa become the political center of Tibet? Since the Rinpungpas and the Tsangpas were based in Shigatse, the Phakmodrus in Nedong, and the Sakyas in Sakya, is it possible that Lhasa was never the capital before the Geluks came to power? However legendary Bhrikuti and Wencheng were, the Jhokhang must have been built at some point.

Here's what Wikipedia has to say about the early history of Lhasa:

After conquering the kingdom of Zhangzhung in the west, he [Songtsän Gampo] moved the capital from the Chingwa Taktse castle in Chongye County (pinyin: Qonggai), southwest of Yarlung, to Rasa (modern Lhasa) where in 637 he founded the first buildings of the Potala Palace on Mount Marpori. In 641 he founded the Rasa Trulnang or Jokhang.[2] Lhasa soon became not only the religious, but the political centre.[3] Lhasa remained the capital throughout the development of the Tibetan Empire until the reign of Langdarma in the 9th century, when the sacred sites were destroyed and desecrated and the empire fragmented.[4]

Citations 2 and 4 are from Footprint Tibet, which I think is a tourist guidebook (I guess I should expect that sort of citation from certain Wikipedians), but citation 3 references Stein's Tibetan Civilization for the statement that "Lhasa soon became not only the religious, but the political centre" during the Empire (worth noting that this sentence is slightly at odds with the preceding Wikipedia copy, which to my mind enhances its plausibility).—Greg Pandatshang (talk) 00:59, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Is it possible that it was kind of winter palace for the Kings? I don't think the Tibetan winter would be very pleasant inside tents. (Javierfv1212 (talk) 00:08, 3 April 2011 (UTC))

Latrunculi

Thanks for all your recent additions to Ludus latrunculorum. I have for YEARS hoped to find Dr. Schaedler's essay reconstructing the game, and am glad to have Falkener's, and the ancient material. I would be glad to have Ra's reconstruction, which was here for a brief period, if there were any source for it. I searched, but did not find. J S Ayer (talk) 03:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

You're very welcome!, I found Schaedler's article at http://history.chess.free.fr/papers/Schadler%202001.pdf - I went ahead and added that to the page as well. What I have been dying to get my hands on is Austin's 'Roman board games' 1 and 2. Unfortunately all my searches have only led to those pesky university sites you have to pay to download the pdfs from. To be honest I find "Ra", whoever he is anyways, to be on the wrong track (though his rules sound very similar to Kowalski's rules so its not really a big deal that we don't know the source of it - maybe it's just someone who copied Kowalski?). I am not of the opinion that there was a "Dux" or "Aquila" figure and though it is not impossible for there to have been such a version of the game (maybe a combination of fidcheall or tafl games and latrunculi?), I still think that the fact that such an important figure was left out of the descriptions in Ovid, Martial and in the Laus Pisonis to be pretty decisive. With regards to the 'doctor's game", there really is no scholarly consensus on what exactly it is and thus cannot be proof for the existence of any Dux figure as posited by Kowalski. What are your thoughts? Javierfv1212 (talk)

Thanks again; it's always interesting to see what my searches have missed. I agree that the Stanway game is probably not Latrunculi, though we don't know how far people may have tinkered with it. What puzzles me is that the two bigger pieces were colored the same, and not like members of the two opposing forces. I want to reconsider the whole subject, and see how far the descriptions would apply to the spirited games of Twelve Men's Morris, or Merels, that my son played with me when he was a boy. That's about it for the moment; I will keep watch for further developments. J S Ayer (talk) 18:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Interesting, I'd like to get myself a board and some glass counters and play soem games with the various rules and see how it turns out. Also, one more question, do you know who "Robert Cooper" is? He has a set of rules for "military latrunculi" and "civilian latrunculi" at http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~jpn/gv/latrunculi.htm but I can't find anything about him. Javierfv1212 (talk)

No idea; I suppose the obvious thing to do would be to use the e-mail link and ask him. J S Ayer (talk) 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Southeast Asia Map Circa 1750?

Hi- a note of thanks for all your great historical maps. I am making edits to some pages on Laos and Lan Xang and was wondering if you could make another map c.1750? Lan Xang split between 1707-1710 into three kingdoms (and one principality), Burma, Ayutthaya and Lanna were the main kingdoms in the West, Vietnam occupied the east. There are some maps both before and after, but none for this period. I have some references if it would help- you should be able to make some edits to your existing maps of Southeast Asia.StampyElephant (talk) 00:34, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

East Mountain Teachings

Hi Javierfv1212. Thnaks for your edit at East Mountain Teaching. It's interesting to note that the first technique, meditation on emptiness, is commonly used to gain insight into emptiness into emptiness. Given the Madhyamaka-interpretation of emptiness, I wonder if this technique aims at suppressing the stream of thought, instead of stimulating critical, investigative thought. See Susan Kahn, The Two Truths of Buddhism and The Emptiness of Emptiness. It's a very interesting read, which made me finally understand what emptiness is really about: no inherently existing "things" (or "I"), but also no underlying transcendental Ground or so. "No-thing"! Zen may have incorporated Madhyamaka-teachings as well, hence the paradoxical language, to point to "the" unnameable. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Greetings Joshua, My understanding of the East mountain teachings is quite limited, however I think that the paradoxical nature of Chan is due to the use of several scriptures which can have different messages - Awakening of faith, the Laṅkāvatāra Sūtra and the Prajñaparamita sutras. Attempting to combine the language and ideas in all these different Mahayana sutras, and to put these ideas in line with a meditation practice drawn from varying sources as well (such as Zhiyi's texts and the Dhyāna sutras) can lead to varying ideas. I'm currently making an article in my sandbox about one of the earliest Chan meditation manuals, the Tso-chan-i and the practice was definitely based on quieting the mind's stream of thoughts so that the inner undefiled mind (which seems to be related to 'Tathatā' or the "One mind" of the Awakening of faith). This text and this way of practice became very popular is probably the earliest form of shikantaza however this also led to a disagreement in zen which is the famous silent illumination vs koan division. The main reason here is that one can begin to see the practice of just "watching the mind" as being pure samatha with no vipassana content and thus being a practice which is non-conductive to liberation - hence the introduction of koan or hua tou practice. However if you believe that all you need to do to reach sudden enlightenment is to quiet the mind enough so that the obscured inner Suchness will reveal itself to you (as a pearl is visible in a pool when the waters are still) then the practice of just observing the mind or silent illumination makes sense. With regards to the conception of emptiness of the early chan schools, I think there was some disagreement as well, with some groups believing that the ultimate was just pure emptiness (emphasizing the prajñaparamita sutras) and others believing that everything was empty EXCEPT the 'One mind' or Suchness/Buddha-nature of the Awakening of faith. This is of course, the problematik of the Chan weltanschauung - a mixture of ideas and philosophies from varying complex Mahayana scriptures. And we can see this argument still going on today with the discourse of the Critical Buddhism. Javierfv1212 (talk)

Archive

Hi Javierfv1212. Thank you for your contributions! How about creating an archive for your talkpage? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:18, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

By the way, did you read Eliot Deutsch's "Advaita Vedanta: A Philosophical Reconstruction"? He gives a somewhat "phenomenological" twits or interpretation to Advaita; very interesting. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:27, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll work on it soon lol I'm not really sure how everything works to be honest. And no I have not read that book, I don't have too much of a background in Hindu philosophy but Shankara is definitely interesting, thanks for the rec.

Emptiness as a mental state

A belated thanks for this edit:

"Emptiness as a mental state, in the early canons, means a mode of perception in which one neither adds anything to nor takes anything away from what is present, noting simply, "There is this.""

That describes very nice what I recognize from doing meditation and pondering over the question "What is 'I'?" When thinking about "I," images, I-feelings and memories come up; they constitute a vivid and very real "I." But when I turn the attention outward, to what's there, the thoughts become empty, and instead there's the awareness ("Gewahr-Sein," German) of the body and the breath. This "emptiness" have I recognized long time ago as what I am: "Leegte" (Dutch), emptiness. It is awareness, "Atman," Buddha-nature, et cetera. And it is ingraspable; when the thoughts want to grasp it, it's ungraspable; it has no other foundation. Quite scary, actually; not as liberating as the tradition tells us, on the contrary. But when I just 'describe' what's there, first the thoughts, then the empirical reality, then it's fine. And that's exactly, I think, what that quote describes. Thanks. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! Do check out the latest page I just created on Dharmakirti's Pramanavarttika. Let me know what you think and if there is anything I can help out with! Javierfv1212 (talk) 04:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Interesting. I like the criticism of the unquestioned authority of the Vedas; when one accepts that authority, one is stuck to Atman and Brahman. Experience ("qualia") is much easier described and explained without those concepts. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 05:30, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

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Apophatic theology

Hi Javierfv1212. Did you ever read anything about Apophatic theology? It's the tehology beyonf much of western mysticism. Recently I did some reading on it, in the context of Hesychasm and Contemplative prayer; I found the similarities with Buddhism and Advaita Vedanta quite striking. It even gives me a better understanding of Buddhism, and its teachings in Anatta, Sunyata, etc. All the best, and thank you for your thoughtfull edits, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 03:37, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Hello! Yes I have heard of this, I find it interesting even though most Christians still hold to the classical belief in an eternal creator god, etc, which in Buddhism is considered an extreme view. Also it seems like even in Apophatic theology, there is no insight into emptiness itself, rather it seems to be a sort of linguistic skepticism about the ability to capture god in words - ie god is ineffable and unknowable (though in orthodox theology his 'energies' are knowable), but they still hold that whatever god is, it definitely exists as the ultimate reality, while for Buddhism and Dzogchen, the Dharmata, ultimate reality, etc is not bound by the extremes of existence and non-existence. Another big difference, is that in Buddhism and Dzogchen, reality is fully knowable by those awakened beings called Buddhas, but it seems like in christian theology, god itself is unknowable even if we can experience his energies through theoria/prayer/hesychasm, his ultimate essence remains beyond our reach as mere mortals. There is also a dualism between God and his creation, in Christianity, they are clearly separate, even if we can be said to be created in gods image. So ultimately, these two ideas (Buddhist thought and Christian apophatic theology) are quite different in many key ways. Javierfv1212 (talk) 01:37, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

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Format for Sanskrit terms

Hey, I see you have worked on a lot of Buddhism pages, including Buddhist philosophy where you noted a couple of my edits. Not sure if you're the right person to ask, but do you know if there is a convention for Sanskrit terms in articles on Hindu and Buddhist philosophy? More specifically, should the accents be included, should they be capitalized, and should they be italicized? It seems to be different everywhere and even within articles. Thanks! Gazelle55 (talk) 17:39, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Gazelle55. Yes, I believe that the standard in most English speaking academic literature (including encyclopedias) would be IAST - International Alphabet of Sanskrit Transliteration. Also, I believe that this has already been established as the ideal transliteration for wiki, as per this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Sanskrit

But yea, I agree that someone should probably fix all the terms into IAST. It's just way to tedious for me. Even I am guilty of putting terms without the proper transliteration to be honest :(

With regards to capitalization and italics, I am not totally sure. For example comparing with Britannica, no capitalization, but apparently sometimes italics are used but I am not exactly sure when and when this should not be done. For example see this : https://www.britannica.com/topic/dharma-religious-concept

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Great thanks, that helps a lot, I'll try to stick to IAST. And glad to know I'm not the only one a bit confused. Gazelle55 (talk) 02:10, 5 August 2017 (UTC)

Your feedback on Maudgalyayana

I've noticed you are quite productive in your Wikipedia edits. I was wondering whether you could provide me some feedback on the article Maudgalyayana, which I expanded greatly a couple of months ago.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 22:46, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

All I can say is, great job, very detailed and well sourced! Is there a particular procedure for article feedback? I am not too sure.Javierfv1212 (talk) 18:53, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

There is, it is called peer review. But I already nominated another article for this, so i was going to invite you to comment on the article through its talk page instead.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 12:22, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

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Kadesh map

Hi, I've seen you contributed to the Battle of Kadesh I.png map, where the Lake Homs is represented. I've seen this in many works, including Osprey, but I'm not sure if it is correct, since the lake was originated in 284 AD, instead of the theory that points that Sethi built it. Therefore, isn't incorrect including the lake on the map? --Macesito (talk) 18:24, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

You might be right, its been a long time since I looked at this material. You're free to edit and do whatever you want with it. Javierfv1212

Satipatthana

You may also be interested in Grzegorz Polak's interpretation of the four upassanā. See Satipatthana#Contemporary exegesis. Notice the similarity with the five skandhas. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:58, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Review of Five precepts

Hello Javier, would you like to review my article Five precepts for GA? I'd appreciate it.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Honestly I don't feel qualified, I don't know enough about the wikipedia policies and standards :/ When I edit an article, I sort of just wing it and add what information seems good to me, but I've never really given it much thought if it fits the wikipedia criteria or standards for "Good Article", whatever they are lol. So IDK, the article looks good to me, but is it what wikipedia wants in a "GA" - I have no clue, and I've never bothered to make my edits fit that standard. Sorry. Javierfv1212 23:20, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

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I've taken the liberty to add MiszaBot, which automatically archives old treads. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:15, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Shankman

Thanks for the Shankman-addition to Buddhaghosa. Never heard of him before, but he's very interesting. He confirms what I was starting to realize thanks to Bronkhorst and Wynne, and what Polak, and so also Shankman, are staing explicitly: meditation as 'explained' by Buddhaghosa, c.q. the Theravada tradition, is not what is described as such in the suttas. Ironically, my own meditation-practice says the same: dhyana is not a narrowing of the mind. Metta/compassion is an integral part of it, not subsidiary. And insight is not the summit of meditation, but an 'apix' of it. It's about life-attitude, not about 'reaching' an 'end-point'. Shankman: "So for me, meditation naturally unfolded to include concentration, mindfulness and insight into a single path of practice." And: "Being less reactive and more wisely responsive in any situation, you become a light in the world, contributing to less suffering and more happiness and well being for others and yourself. [1] All the best, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 13:42, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree that there are differences between Buddhaghosa and the suttas, but at the same time, it is quote common nowadays to think that they are totally different systems and that Buddhaghosa went off the rails and totally changed everything, and I don't think this is the case, its more subtle than that and Buddhaghosa and his commentaries are definitely useful and important texts (but they should not take precedence over the sutta IMO). For example, Gethin says:

"The result of following Buddhaghosa too closely can be a rather distorted and misleading account of Theravadin meditation theory. My point here is not that Buddhaghosa gets it wrong, but that in failing to have an adequate grasp of the theory of meditation presented in the Nikayas and Abhidhamma, modern scholars misunderstand Buddhaghosa." Gethin, Buddhist path to awakening, p350.

The important thing to understand about texts like the Visuddhimagga is that they are still meant to be useful guides to the suttas for students who read them and work with a teacher etc, not used as separate standalone texts (like some people in modern Theravada use it). Buddhaghosa himself is aware that his system is "just a sketch", not somekind of perfect grand ultimate synthesis (this is a mistake later Theravadins made in reifying his system):

"This is just a sketch. An in-depth understanding of this question of the [function of consciousness] is only to be gained on the strength of one’s selection after considering views, one’s estimation of reasons, one’s prefer-ences and credences, learning and testimonial reports.(Atthasalini 74)"

So one needs to be weary of current trends to completely reject the usefulness of the commentaries. Many words and ideas in the suttas would probably be unintelligible without the philological and conceptual input the commentaries (Pali and in other languages) give us (as well as studying pre buddhist material like the Upanishads, etc). Basically the "sutta only" ideal is all but impossible and all scholars who translate and work on the suttas use later texts like the Dhammasanghani and the Athakatthas etc to clarify the meaning of the words.

Regarding jhana, I would note that though numerous scholars think that Buddhaghosa's account makes first jhana too strongly concentrated (Bucknell, Arbel, etc), not everyone agrees on what vitakka and vicara mean in jhana and if one can hear sound in Jhana (Analayo and Sujato for example hold that first jhana there's no sound and so on). So there's no single agreement on what jhana is. My own understanding is that jhana has a broad semantic field, it can mean both a lighter less concentrated state which one still hears things and thoughts still intrude ("sutta jhana") as well as a deeply concentrated state where none of these things exist or "Vism jhana" (so, there is a broad gradient here). Both accounts can be found in the suttas. Analayo says that its basically like entering a lake, you can be 1/3rd submerged, 1/2 submerged, or fully submerged. I think this resolves the issue of how to interpret jhana, its just a really broad term that can refer to different points on a spectrum. In this sense, later pali commentators like Buddhaghosa moved more and more towards a more systematic analysis of these states, and began to use the word jhana only for a segment of this spectrum, while using new terms for other segments (like upacara samadhi). So really, its just a redefinition of terminology to be more precise. Anyways, that's what I think. I agree that there are some things that Buddhaghosa gets wrong (like not needing jhana if you are a vipassana arahant), but I don't think he is completely off either. Javierfv1212 15:28, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Regarding your it is quote common nowadays to think that they are totally different systems and that Buddhaghosa went off the rails and totally changed everything: I'm intrigued. Would you have more sources on this which I can read?

I'm thinking of popular Theravada teachers like Thanissaro and Bhante Vimalaramsi. Scholars are bit more nuanced, but you can see the idea that Buddhaghosa's system is really different in recent publications like Keren Arbel, Early Buddhist Meditation. The Four Jhanas as the Actualization of Insight, who refers to Bucknell's "Reinterpreting the Jhanas", who says Buddhaghosa's system "is a fundamentally different version which is in serious conflict with the Nikaya account." Of course, this is because he interprets the suttas in a way which leads him to this conclusion. I don't think its that simple...but I also don't deny that there are differences between Buddhaghosa and the sutta account. Javierfv1212 15:30, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 15:44, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Dhyāna sutras

I've been studying and practicing Buddhism for 30 years now, and yet, to my surprise, still learning. I stumbled uopn Dhyāna sutras via the link that you added at Dhyāna in Buddhism. Never heard before of those dhyana sutras, but it definitely makes sense in the context of Chan/Zen: apparently, this is where their meditation-technique comes from. Thanks! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:58, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

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Sandbox

I noticed that you use your sandbox a lot to prepare your edits. Maybe it's better to perform incremental edits in the articles themselves; it helps other editors in understanding what you're doing, and comment on details, instead of all of it together. All the hest, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 14:44, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, Idk I'm used to working and getting everything written up before doing edits, but I understand your concern. Perhaps when I transfer from the sanbox to the real article I should make the edits incrementally?

Might be helpfull, yes. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:48, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

I repeat my advice: make incremental edits at the articles themselves; separate spelling-corrections from substantive edits; et cetera. Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 04:41, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Is this a wikipedia policy? How large are we talking about here regarding "incremental"? Javierfv1212

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Godhead in Christianity and Ousia

See Godhead in Christianity and Ousia; you'll recognise the (dis)similarity with Buddhist sunyata. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:36, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I guess the Sanskrit equivalent would be something like svabhava, dravya or maybe even atman. Javierfv1212 21:54, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

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De Michelis's "Modern Yoga" vs Modern yoga

Hi, my comment above on reference style stands - I have added citation templates, authorlinks, and ISBNs among other things, but I hadn't realized that you had also adopted De Michelis's typology of "Modern Yoga" in some detail in large edits Yoga. I consider her an unreliable primary source and have removed the material, explaining why on the Yoga talk page, feel free to discuss there (not here, please). It may be helpful to explain that the article uses the term "modern yoga" (lower case) to mean "yoga as popularly understood", nothing to do with EDM's typology, but simply asanas (with or without a smattering of other things such as pranayama and relaxation) as practised worldwide.

If you are planning to make any more large-scale additions to this article, which after all has been relatively stable with Good Article status for some years (not my doing), then it would be great if you could propose them on the talk page first to avoid misunderstandings. My view is broadly that Yoga is a top-level summary to cover what the GA instructions call "the main points"; the details are for subsidiary articles, and that should include the great majority of recent developments, 20th century yoga sects, etc, to avoid burdening the article with WP:Recentism. Hope this is clear and sensible, happy to discuss. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:26, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Reference style, ISBNs, and authorlinks in Chakra

Hi, I am really sorry to have to keep coming back to you but similar issues keep cropping up.

The article Chakra makes use of citation templates like {{cite book |last=Flood ..... |isbn= ...}} and it is both policy and good practice to continue with the citation style in use.

It would be much appreciated if you could please take a moment to familiarise yourself with the use of the main citation templates, and to take the very small trouble to provide full details of the books and journal articles that you cite. Many thanks for your cooperation in this matter. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:07, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

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Hi, about your recent edits to the article Philosophy of Religion, while you provided a couple of sources, much of the material you added appears to be unsourced and original research WP:NOR - adding sourced content is acceptable, but original research, even it true, is not WP:VERIFY - I removed your cited material with the original research as it was too difficult to sort out the edit - if you wish to restore the cited material, you are welcome - thanks - Epinoia (talk) 19:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Jeez, that was a very fast deletion! I would not agree with you that this material is original research, indeed most of that info can be found in the pages that are linked to in those passages. I have not had the time to add the citations just this moment. But I do not think it was appropriate to immediately delete them as "original research" (perhaps just adding citation needed tag would have sufficed). I will see when I have time to track down all the sources for this then, but you are making this more strict than it needs to be IMO. Javierfv1212

- I have seen editors put in the edit summary something like "will add sources later", but when something is added without citations it is impossible to know if it is original research or not - the basic introductory guideline for editing Wikipedia (Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia#Documenting sources) says, "it's a necessity to include references listing reliable...sources you have used to write or expand articles." - probably the best way to avoid reverts for original research is to add the sources with the edit (not lecturing you, just following the guidelines) - cheers - Epinoia (talk) 20:30, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Nature of mind

Robert Sharf, Mindfulness and Mindlessness in Early Chan (pdf at thezensite) may be of inetrest to you. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 10:00, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

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Buddhist ethics

In this edit, you added a reference to Bodhi (2005), p. 153, but there is no corresponding work in the references section. Can you provide that reference? I'm trying to add some content on self-discipline as an element of Buddhism in our article on discipline, if you have any insight to provide there. Cheers! BD2412 T 01:40, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

The source is "Bodhi, Bhikkhu (2005), In the Buddha's Words: An Anthology of Discourses from the Pali Canon, Simon and Schuster." Regarding "discipline", there is a lot to say because one could argue that much of the classic Buddhist path is a kind of self discipline. The practice of sense restraint, restraint in eating, the various precepts and vinaya rules are particularly apropos.Javierfv1212 15:07, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

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Added, thanks ☸Javierfv1212☸ 12:03, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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This was a mistake on my part (I was trying to write the article on my sandbox, but I had two windows open, and I wrote the content in the wrong page. It was not a bad faith hijack attempt.

Thanks for correcting the issue so promptly. ☸Javierfv1212☸

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3-19-2021: Hello Javierfv1212, Are you the creator of the map the Athenian Siege of Syracuse war on Wikipedia (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=38886657)? If so, do I need permission from you to use it in a book that I am writing on the Peloponnesian war (tentatively titled, Democracy and Empire, the Athenian Invasion of Sicily, 415-413 BCE). I am working with Hamilton Books, which is a hybrid of a self-publishing and a traditional book publisher, a subsidiary of Rowman and Littlefield. It will be about 250 pages, and will be appropriate for general readers and students in an undergraduate class in ancient history. Probably a very small number will be published for around $30 each. Please let me know if you are not the copywrite holder, who is, and how I might get in touch with them. Thank you, Alex O. Boulton (aoboulton@hotmail.com) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:145:427F:8FE1:B13D:75EE:2160:1AD2 (talk) 15:53, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Use it in whatever way you please. It would be cool to be credited, but its fine if you don't. ☸Javierfv1212☸

Dhamma's

""the early tradition regarded the abandoning of the hindrances and the development of the factors for Awakening as encompassing all the factors that might be included under this heading." - nice addition diff! Sums it up nicely, without the carrot of instant enlightenment which solves every problem. One point of criticism, though: the article has become very long now... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:00, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

There's definitely no immediatism, no "instant" enlightenment and no subitism, in the early Buddhist texts. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 17:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

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Sleep tight; enough for today. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 19:44, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Dzogchen

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Thanks! Skyerise (talk) 13:23, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I'm not exactly very knowledgeable about the technicalities of this stuff. You go ahead and fix them. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 14:01, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I also want to thank you for the work you've been doing in this article! ☸Javierfv1212☸ 14:01, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I've fixed them up. We have much better methods for blockquotes and citations than we used to so it's best to take advantage of them. If you have any questions... Skyerise (talk) 17:18, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm thinking about nominating the article for "Good Article" status, but everything has to be done strictly according to the book. In particular, every quotation, no matter how short, has to be properly cited complete with page nunber. It's not adequate to just put (author) after it. Best time to do that is when you add the quotation... Skyerise (talk) 13:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

I'll do my best! I think I have a handle on the new citation system. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 14:19, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Reverberation of Sound

Before you get too far with this, Wilkinson's book is self-published through CreateSpace and thus can't be used per WP:SELFPUB. Skyerise (talk) 12:45, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I am aware his translations should be taken with a big grain of salt. I wasn't going to make extensive edits on this page, or give some chapter by chapter overview, I was just cleaning it up a bit. I think I'll be waiting for Acharya Malcolm to translate this tantra. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 12:50, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Looks much better now since you got rid of all that original research by B9 hummingbird hovering (talk · contribs). Skyerise (talk) 13:00, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Also, you should know: linking books to Amazon isn't permitted. We just include the ISBN which when clicked allows you to find the book at Google, Amazon, and lots of other places. We never link to sales pages. Skyerise (talk) 13:03, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Samantabhadra

Thank you for moving Samantabhadra (Bodhisattva). Please can you help to fix its incoming links? These now lead to the disambiguation page Samantabhadra but should be changed to target either the bodhisattva or another article on the dab. (A few that I checked are clearly for Adi-Buddha). As some of the entries look confusingly similar to those of us unfamiliar with Buddhism, I think this is a job for a subject expert. Thanks, Certes (talk) 14:27, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Woah, that's a lot of links. I will see when I can do this! Thanks for the heads up. ☸Javierfv1212☸

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Please do not initiate merges without placing merge tags on all concerned article and giving time for other editors to respond. You will save yourself a lot of work. Each of the three series is a level-5 vital article and they therefore should remain separate. I've moved the lead of the merged article to Dzogchen and redirected it there (Dzogchen#Three series). It still needs short summaries of each of the series. Also, all the Dzogchen articles use the {{sfnp}} citation system which gives pop-ups for citations and the associated references, and allows references to only be listed once. Please do not downgrade the reference style. Skyerise (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

You're so brilliant. Now the three articles - which had unsourced material, had to go through review again and have been gutted. Please edit collaboratively, and use templates and discussion before merging or other major changes. Perhaps you could restore the material and cite it? Skyerise (talk) 14:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

The passive aggressiveness really doesn't help. This is not a job I get paid for and I do this in my own time and at my own pace. I will do what I can in due time and keep your advice in mind.☸Javierfv1212☸ 14:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry. Any help appreciated. I don't get paid for it either, you know. I've been watching and cultivating the Dzogchen articles for years, so having an editor act like he's the only interested editor who can act in such an arbitrary manner without even the courtesy of placing the templates intended for the purpose and waiting at least a day before implementing the proposal (really should be several days to a week) really ticks me off. Skyerise (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

I am sorry, I never meant to upset you. Any future merges or splits I will definitely place a template in the talk page. If you have any further issues please let me know. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 15:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Sorry if I reacted harshly. I've got an outline of Dzogchen I'm working to, in case you have any comments on it. Skyerise (talk) 16:08, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am sorry also for my bull in a china shop editing style, I know its not ideal and I need to work on it. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 16:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

PhD dissertations

Normally, PhD dissertations are not considered reliable sources. Since most of the places you added them already had a citation, I have to wonder why you are adding these? I've left the standalone citations but tagged them with {{better source needed}}. Skyerise (talk) 15:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Well, this source contains better descriptions which I relied upon to describe the content of the seven treasuries. Also, Germano is a well known scholar in the field. ☸Javierfv1212☸ 15:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, the reliable sources page you linked above says "Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a doctorate, and which are publicly available (most via interlibrary loan or from Proquest), can be used but care should be exercised, as they are often, in part, primary sources. Some of them will have gone through a process of academic peer reviewing, of varying levels of rigor, but some will not. If possible, use theses that have been cited in the literature; supervised by recognized specialists in the field; or reviewed by independent parties."

So I think this dissertation is not a problem as it is by a major scholar in the field and was peer reviewed and so on. Can we add it again? ☸Javierfv1212☸ 15:46, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

That's why I left it in, but a blockquote of it is giving it Undue weight. A dissertation is not really considered "peer reviewed" - unless it is published in a journal. They are also acceptable if they have been published in book form by an uninvolved party - publication by the school or the author is really self-publication. Skyerise (talk) 15:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

That said, if you want to summarize that blockquote in your own words, I wouldn't take it out. Skyerise (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

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Please stop removing Sanskrit from Buddhist articles

Per WP:INDICSCRIPT, Buddhism articles are specifically exempted for the guideline discouraging Indic scripts. Please put the Sanskrit back wherever you have removed it. Skyerise (talk) 18:32, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

It does not make sense at all. There is no good reason for this. Devanagari does not come from the time of the Buddha or from the time of Ashoka (from which date the first Buddhist related inscriptions), as the wiki article says, Devanagari reached regular use by the 7th century CE. None of the major Buddhist canons (Tibetan, Chinese, Pali) are recorded in Devanagari, they use Chinese, Tibetan script and various South Asian scripts like Sinhala or Burmese. None of the major publications of these canons use Devanagari. Even the surviving Sanskrit Buddhist texts are mostly not published in Devanagari, but use IAST instead (the exception is some works published in Indian publishing houses for obvious reasons). Most of the main scholarly publications on Sanskritic Buddhism do not use Devanagari either, but they all use IAST (for example: Siderits and Katsura 's "Nagarjuna's Middle Way: Mulamadhyamakakarika"). It makes absolutely no sense to put Devanagari in Buddhist articles (no more than any other Indic script, like Bengali etc). For these reasons, I am removing any instance of these that I see. Please stop adding them to random Buddhist articles. Javierfv1212

You have to get consensus for these removals. Period. Skyerise (talk) 18:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Where is this discussed? Where can I take this up? Because this is a completely illogical choice.

I'd say WP:WikiProject Buddhism. But it's been discussed before, that's why there is a specific exception for Buddhism articles in WP:INDICSCRIPT. Skyerise (talk) 18:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Until you get that change, put it all back or I'll take it to WP:ANI as disruptive editing. Skyerise (talk) 18:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

You should never, ever engage in a project that affects a large number of article without discussing it in advance. Having to put it back will help you understand why. Every single one you've removed. Skyerise (talk) 18:52, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

The script is still wrong. Do whatever you want. I'm not a child. I'm done with your condescension. ~~~ Javier F.V. 19:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

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Barcelona and Girona

Hi, I saw you created this map and I just saw Barcelona is not placed in the right position. It should be more in the South, somewhere between Girona (not Gerona) and Tarragona. Would it be possible to fix it, please? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.47.119.136 (talk) 13:24, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Dhyana sutras

I probably did already, some years ago, but I have to thank you again for your edits on the Dhyana sutras; they made it much clearer to me where Zen came from. Regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 12:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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hi there! thank you for your contributions to the Daoism article. I spent a lot of time copyediting (making sure 'Daoist' etc. is capitalized and including the {{zh}} template for Chinese words, and your further contributions rolled the style tweaks back a bit! Remsense (talk) 01:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah thanks for letting me know, I will be more careful not to do that next time. Javier F.V. 19:25, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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Notation on Mahamudra

Greetings! I was curious as to the meaning of the notation on Mahamudra#Indian works like "(Q306 1, D2217)"? (These were introduced in this edit.) Are these well-known scholarly designations or card catalog numbers or something else? Also, what's the source for this list? Thanks! -- Beland (talk) 22:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Indeed,

"D" refers to the Derge Kanjur (printed 1733 in Derge)

"Q" is Qianlong Kanjur (1737 printed in Beijing I believe)

see: Tibetan Buddhist canon Javier F.V. 11:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Sources are in the article, mainly:

Ulrich Timme Kragh, Tibetan yoga and mysticism : a textual study of the yogas of Nāropa and Mahāmudrā meditation in the medieval tradition of Dags po 2015, p. 76.

Mathes, Klaus-Dieter, A Fine Blend of Mahamudra and Madhyamaka: Maitripa's Collection of Texts on Non-Conceptual Realization (Amanasikara), (Sitzungsberichte Der Philosophisch-Historischen Klasse), 2016, p. 3. Javier F.V. 11:55, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Many thanks for the clarification! I've updated the article. -- Beland (talk) 01:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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Replacing Lapis-Lazuli with beryl

The addition of the informative sentence to the article is fine, but the WP:COMMONNAME translation remains Lapis-Lazuli. We should not use a minority translation when nearly all sources use the traditional translation. That is, the instances should not be changed. In particular, the sources cited at each location you have changed it say "lapis lazuli" you even changed it inside a quotation. Skyerise (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Nice rabbit hole. Wrong, but interesting. Hope the people who have started to use 'beryl' in translations read it and correct their error. Skyerise (talk) 18:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

The worst part of this mistake is that beryl is toxic, not healing. Skyerise (talk) 19:00, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

Meh, I think Beryl is right, the arguments in the source I cited seem sufficient.

Regarding the toxicity, that doesn't really matter, since Lapis Lazuli can also include impurities that can harm you. Besides, this never stopped ancient medicine from using toxic substances, look at the use of mercury for example (which was used by Indians in rasayana).

Anyways, the article is fine as it stands, thanks for the assist. Javier F.V. 12:05, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

That librarian is full of it. The use in Vedic astrology was never a reference to beryl. It was a reference to chrysoberyl, specifically cat's eye, which is never ever blue. Whatever disconnect happened, it happened long enough ago that vaiḍūrya came to mean a blue stone very early in Buddhist tradition, and it could not have been beryl because no dark blue forms were known at that time. It was perhaps never used any other way, making the "new translation" an anachronism. Also, rasayana used "fixed mercury". Not all compounds of mercury accumulate in the body, and mercury is only harmful when it accumulates. Skyerise (talk) 12:24, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

It's funny how she hedges in the last sentence of her conclusion: "Is the colour of the blue lotus aquamarine?" But she doesn't answer it. The answer is "no". Blue lotus colors may range from light to dark blue, but they are not blue-green; if anything they tend toward the violet. Who "concludes" with a question? Someone who knows they are talking through their hat! Skyerise (talk) 13:04, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

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Help with Philosophical pessimism and Antinatalism#Asymmetry between good and bad things

Hello there! I see you've been quite active in some things related to the above mentioned pages. I'm pinging you @Javierfv1212: directly to ask for some help. I've started 3 initiatives for these pages. If you could spare some time in the near future, could you please take a look at the proposal and voice your opinion? Of course, if you have interest, time, and energy to participate that would be amazing!

Here are the projects:

1. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal for an overhaul of the article — this initiative is already in progress. The idea is to raise the quality of the page by switching it from a mere historical account to a more encyclopedic format.

2. Talk:Philosophical_pessimism#A proposal to split the History into a dedicated page — related to the one above. The historical account is overly detailed. It would be much better to have a dedicated page for the history of philosophical pessimism and leave only a brief history in the main page.

3. Talk:Antinatalism#A proposal to create a dedicated page for Benatar's axiological asymmetry — here, the idea is to extract the axiological asymmetry argument into a dedicated page. This way, a more detailed presentation could be given. In addition, we could expand on the various responses others philosophers made and counters from Benatar. Other pages could have a brief description and link to the details page.

I hope at least some of this will spark your interest! Fantastiera (talk) 13:54, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Replacing Devanagari with Brahmi

I have remarked that you are changing Devanagari into Brahmi in (at least some) articles concerning Buddhist texts. I think that your declaration "Buddhists never used Devanagari, but they did use Brahmi script often, so I am changing the indic script to this" you are only seemingly right but in fact wrong. First, it is not true that Buddhists never used Devanagari script, as (a) they used it for a long time in Nepal, and manuscripts from Nepal and not only are often in Nagari (myself I have a microphilm of the manuscript of the Tattvasamgraha od Shantaraksita, with a panjika of Kamalashila, preserved in Jaisalmer, written in the Nagari script); (b) many, many modern editions and reprints of the Mahayana Buddhist texts, beginning form the end od the 19th century, and up to the modern times, published in India (Calcutta, Varanasi etc), were/are published mostly in Devanagari (c) Even the Pali Tipitaka is now being published in Devanagari, myself I have book editions of several suttas and Dhammapada in Devanagari, published and printed by Buddhist publication companies, and there is a website Tipitaka.org which presents the whole of the Tipitaka in several scripts, among them Devanagari (seen Scripts in the header menu), but not in Brahmi. 2. What more, there are very few manuscripts written in any form of Brahmi script (yes, there are some manuscript fragments, from Central Asia, and Dunhuang, but mostly they are very fragmentary; and they were written usung completely different types of Brahmi script, adapted for hand writing of the manuscripts). The usage of those forms of Brahmi script is fully obsolete, they are dead. The type of the Brahmi script you use for that purpose, is not only obsolete, dead, but in fact it is very improbable it was ever used for writing manuscripts. It is the Epigraphical Brahmi (used for rock inscriptions, like king Aśoka's), inappropriate for hand witing of manuscripts on palm leave, birch skin, paper etc. If you think I am wrong, please show me just one manuscript written using with that script. 3. Buddhist Mahayana texts were very often written in Siddham script, at least those found in China and Japan, or Sarada script, at least those found in Tibet. At least they have a long documented history of use and these two scripts are often learned and used today by those who are practicing the copying of the sacred Buddhist scriptures for the devotional or to confer merit or for a similar religious purpose. These are living non-Devanagari Mahayana Buddhist scripts used for Sanskrit (in a way living, I would rather call them "vegetating" than activeli living, yet they are at least not completely deas as the old Brahmi scripts are). Why don't you use one of these? 4. I have recently been informed (see: User_talk:Symphing12#Aṣṭādhyāyī) that there is a consensus to remove Indic scripts from the lead and infobox altogether. Yes I know, harly anybody knows about that consensus, maybe it is dated, maybe a discussion should be started anew, yet at least I think that you should either comply to it or not unilateraly decide on doing what you do. noychoH (talk) 21:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

@NoychoH Actually, WP:INDICSCRIPT is well-known and has been consensus for many years. There is a vanishingly small chance of you changing that consensus and, in fact, the dispute being worked through here is an example of why INDICSCRIPT came about.

Please, just stop adding scripts/remove on sight. In the grand scale of things, most have already been removed since the consensus was formalised. - Sitush (talk) 21:34, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Agreed, I think IAST is enough. Initially when I started making these changes, I felt I should change the scripts. But generally I just remove it now.

I agree some Devanagari has been used by Buddhists, but this is generally a minority thing. Most Buddhists throughout history did not use this script, not in its modern form. If anything, Siddham would make the most sense. But only few people have the unicode fonts installed on their PCs to see it, they would just see boxes. So just going with the consensus, it makes more sense to just remove and leave IAST. Javier F.V. 22:02, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, to add to this, Nepalese Buddhism generally used the Bhujimol script, according to the Digital Sanskrit Buddhist canon page. Javier F.V. 22:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Actually, 9th to 14th century is Bhujimol, after that, it was Pracalit Javier F.V. 22:09, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Furthermore, any use of Nagari would be a modern phenomenon, the only reason Buddhists in Nepal used Nagari is because the printing presses were imported from Calcutta. Javier F.V. 22:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

HEREBY I withdraw my proposal about reopening the discussion on the ISC as presented in my message and I apologize to everybody who might have felt harassed or whatever wrong by my message. noychoH (talk) 07:09, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

I didn't feel harassed at all, you're good Javier F.V. 13:16, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Javier, but some others felt so. noychoH (talk) 08:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

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Roman expansion in Italy - your map

Hello, that map draw my attention, since it has been developed remarkably exact and comprehensive. Would you mind sharing the media, such map can be created with, possibly on your own right? Best Uwe Partysan (talk) 09:43, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry that was years ago, probably more than a decade ago. I haven't worked on maps like this in a long time. So I am not sure. Javier F.V. 14:32, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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Bhakti page

Hi @Javierfv1212 Thanks so much for contributing on Hinduism/Buddhism related areas. On the Bhakti page, I noticed you move couple of sections up, but seems it doesn't quite flow in the article without the section "Related practices in other religions". So, I added the section back "Related practices in other religions". Asteramellus (talk) 14:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Huayan article

Hi @Javierfv1212 , I appreciate your work on the Huayan article. I wonder if you could clarify this sentence in the article:

Kegon thought would later be further popularized by Myōe (1173–1232), abbot and founder of Kōzan-ji Kegon temple, who combined the Kegon lineage Tendai and Shingon esoteric lineages

It seems like there is a missing word in there. Should the word "with" be inserted between "lineage" and "Tendai"? The meaning isn't clear to me as it stands. Cheers, Dorje108 (talk)

Thanks for bringing this error to my attention, I fixed it. Javier F.V. 14:45, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Dorje108 (talk) 23:32, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Idealism edit

Hi @Javierfv1212,

The edit[2] you just made to Idealism moves, adds, and removes a great deal of material. Doing this all at once makes it very difficult for other editors to assess your contributions. For instance, why did you restore an unsourced paragraph about Schopenhauer to the German Idealism section? He's a transcendental idealist sharply critical of the entire German Idealist tradition. Are there other such issues? Such a procedure makes it quite difficult to tell.

Also, best practice in addressing large structural issues is to describe them on the talk page in order to invite input from other contributors before implementing.

I'm very happy to see someone turn their sustained attention to this article, which I agree needs attention. However, if you do not self-revert this edit in order to restore the material piecemeal with useful edit descriptions (or else, maybe, provide a detailed description of changes in the talk?), I will revert it myself. This is not at all to discourage you from an aggressive reworking of the article, but just to preserve editorial transparency and ensure that other editors can interject in an appropriately targeted way.

Cheers, Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 19:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Century maps

Hello Javier, I'm just a lurker but I'd like to request you to make a gallery of your Eurafrasian maps found in the century articles, such as [one] in [century BC|2nd century BC]. They're pretty, I like how they're colured unlike those made by Thomas Lessman. I'd like to see them all in one place without having to jump between articles. Have a good day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.195.108.193 (talk) 19:04, 1 March 2024 (UTC)