Jason1170

I usually write replies on this page unless you prefer a different one. Let me know if I can help in anyway with any issue, I know my account hasn't been very active, I haven't had much time for Wikipedia, but things change. -- Jason1170 (talk) 16:38, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Continuing HIV Discussion

I wanted to continue the HIV discussion on this page - going further from antibodies and asking for some help, if you have time. Ok, I need to explain things so you can better understand, and I hope you'll take the time to read it. I want to first know if you believe it's impossible to cure AIDS as well? AIDS, which is defined as less than 200 CD4, and to cure it you just need to raise CD4 over 20% or 200. In your opinion, if CD4 is at 69, is it impossible to get it over 200? Like a consistently increasing CD4 count and consistently decreasing viral load, the vl less than 3-fold and consistent.

I disagree with what you are saying about HIV, that its impossible to cure. Think of a product that acts like irradiation: it kills all harmful organisms, it eradicates them, but it does NOT kill any "good" organisms. If such a product existed, could it cure someone of HIV? I see what you are saying about it living inside cells, a report I read said that HIV infects and replicates in CD4 cells, then it eventually "bursts" from them, destroying the cell, and populating the body with more of the virus... Is that correct? And is that what you were referring to in your reference article? The HIV being inside CD4 cells?

Ok, so here's why I'm so interested. There was a U.S. pharm company called #^*%, FDA registered and DEA licensed. It employed a few highly skilled doctors, former U.S. college professors, etc. The point is, it wasn't some multi-billion dollar company, it was formed by someone's life savings, and people who wanted to "save lives" anyway, they got big, aligned themselves with quite a few professors in charge of labs at north-American universities, and also the historically renowned Dr. Burgdorfer and his entire NIH laboratory. Together, all those doctors developed a product that worked by killing only harmful organisms in the body - viruses, bacterial and fungal infections, etc. So that's the product I'm talking about...

It was clinically tested (yes in vitro) against numerous AIDS related infections, Lymes, bacterial infections, and HIV multiple times. It inhibited everything. Then, it was tested against HIV in vivo in 2 patients one with full blown AIDS and a CD4 count of like 5 and another with HIV, Herpes, and Hepatitis B. It consistently lowered viral loads, greatly increased CD4, etc. Anyways, special interests interfered, #^*%'s president was smart and got the product grandfathered in under some clause, and even got it registered with the FDA as an OTC. Anyway, now it's sold under the classification as "dietary supplement" but the manufacturer is likely shutting down, and decided to donate mass amounts of product stocks to a non-profit organization against HIV, now focusing on cure because of this product.

I'm a person working with this organization, and we offer everything completely free to HIV patients. We just need a protocol to determine if someone is cured, after CD4 counts normalize, after PCR type tests cannot detect it in the blood, etc. That's why I'm asking about it. So, would the antibody test be enough? You're saying they use RT-PCR to diagnose, which is just a viral load or NAT, right? And I read that they don't use that for an official diagnosis, that they use ALISA and Western Blot as the official diagnosis. Anyway, if HIV is no longer in the blood, does that mean it's still in the body? So, along with the above questions, can a product that kills HIV, that eradicates it, can it cure an HIV patient? Surely you agree it can turn an AIDS patient back to HIV, right? And can you please give your opinion on a protocol for determining if someone has been cured? This was as quick as an explanation as I could give, it is all true, if you want more info then let me know. I don't know how you reply, if it's on my talk page, or this page, or what. I'll copy this onto my talk page, if you want to delete it off of yours. Thank you so much for taking the time to read all of this. Jason1170 (talk) 16:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

You need to read the literature on this topic, e-mail me and I can send you some of the papers I linked to on the antibody page. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)