Jan MacKell Collins

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Laura Bell McDaniel

Hi,

I reverted the edit you made to Laura Bell McDaniel, because it created a formatting error... and it doesn't really matter if it's the original source or not. It's based upon where I found the information.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:52, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

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Hi Carole, I hope this gets to you, and I appreciate you reaching out to me. Unfortunately it does matter to me that the original source (myself, as Jan MacKell), because the source you cited (Chris Enss) gleaned literally 99% of her material from my book, Brothels, Bordellos & Bad Girls: Prostitution in Colorado 1860-1930. If you check her footnotes in her book, you will see this. I have taken much pride in being the first person to bring Laura Bell McDaniel to the limelight after 30 years of research, and I write about her frequently. In truth it upsets me greatly that my book is not cited as an original source. Not wanting to make trouble, but because my book is still in print, I would like to at least see it on the page.

I am not a regular wiki editor, although I do occasionally edit or add information. And, I apologize that I am very unfamiliar with wiki editing, lol. Hopefully you understand my position and can make that change? Thank you and I look forward to hearing back from you.

All the best, ~~~~ Jan MacKell Collins (talk) 04:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, it's highly unusual, but I went ahead and made the change. There were several issues with your edit <ref name="MacKell" />{{cite book|last=MacKell|first=Jan|title=Brothels, Bordellos & Bad Girls: Prostitution in Colorado 1860-1930|url=https://books.google.com/books/about/Brothels_Bordellos_and_Bad_Girls.html?id=HPAtuot9TsUC|year=2004|publisher=University of New Mexico Press|isbn=978-0826333438|pages=129-127, 132-134, 239-243}}</ref>{{rp|129-127, 132-134, 239-243}}

• There already was a citation named <ref name="MacKell" />
• The full citation should not have a slash in the ref name, it should look like <ref name="MacKell"> or <ref>. It's the subsequent uses, where the short tag by itself has the slash.
• There is no need to add {{rp|129-127, 132-134, 239-243}}: 1) you've already got the page numbers in the citation and 2) the {{rp}} template is used when you are using the same book many times and citing the individual pages so that the book only appears once in the reference section, but the individual pages are identified after the citation. I hope that makes sense.

So, what I added was <ref>{{cite book|last=MacKell|first=Jan|title=Brothels, Bordellos & Bad Girls: Prostitution in Colorado 1860-1930|url=https://books.google.com/books/about/Brothels_Bordellos_and_Bad_Girls.html?id=HPAtuot9TsUC|year=2004|publisher=University of New Mexico Press|isbn=978-0826333438|pages=129-127, 132-134, 239-243}}</ref>

By the way, I knew that's where the author got their information... it's just that I started with that article for no particular reason, it's just where I started. I've used your books as references to other stories and it's kind of cool that I am able to talk to you, because there was a comment about a lady from Denver and Silverton, Lena Stoiber - the wife of Edward G. Stoiber - who was said in one book about Stoiber-Reed-Humphreys Mansion to have been from the red-light district, but I never saw that. She's quite an interesting woman!!! She was Lena Allen, then Lena Allen Webster when she married Stoiber - and later married two more times. Did you ever run across Lena in any of your research, by chance?–CaroleHenson (talk) 07:07, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Carole I want to thank you so much for adding the citation. This makes me feel much better! I appreciate you taking the time to add it for me, since I obviously do not have a grasp on how editing works in this format.

I have never heard of Lena, but I did look into her and you are right, what a well traveled lady! I didn't see anything connecting her to the prostitution industry but you never know. If you ever do have a question in that respect, please feel free to email me at JanMacKell@aol.com. Thanks again for your time, and have a great weekend. Jan MacKell Collins (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, you too.–CaroleHenson (talk) 17:14, 13 July 2018 (UTC)