JReeve89
October 2010
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Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but in this recent edit you removed a speedy deletion tag from Annabeth Robinson, a page you have created yourself. If you do not believe the page should be deleted, you can place a {{hangon}} tag on the page, under the existing speedy deletion tag (please do not remove the speedy deletion tag), and make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will look at your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. Thank you. L Kensington (talk • contribs) 22:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Welcome!
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Biographies as homework
editHi there. I stumbled over the Annabeth Robinson article and the discussion there. I am quite concerned by what seems to be going on but this doesn't mean that I am trying to blame you or get anybody into trouble. I have started a thread for discussing the issue at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Adding biographies as homework?. You might want to have a look and explain what is going on if you think I have got the wrong end of the stick. --DanielRigal (talk) 23:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi again. It seems that I did get the wrong end of the stick. Projects of the type you are involved in are allowed on Wikipedia but I was unaware of this. Sorry for the confusion. Anyway, the speedy deletion of Annabeth Robinson was declined so you can start working on it again without worrying that it is going to vanish at short notice. I have added some links to the talk page which might help locate suitable reference sources. Good luck. --DanielRigal (talk) 11:05, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Your article Annabeth Robinson
editWelcome, again. Your page was nominated for speedy deletion under a clause which applies to articles about real people which do not make "any credible claim of significance or importance". This one really qualifies for that, as all it says is that she has made some performance installations in Second Life; but having read the talk page I have decided to decline the speedy nomination in order give you a chance to improve it.
The issue is notability, a requirement to have a Wikipedia article, which is not a matter of opinion but needs to be demonstrated by showing "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Significant means more than just listing-type mentions; reliable excludes Myspace, Facebook, blogs, places where anyone can post anything; independent excludes the subject's own website, affiliated ones and anything based on press releases. There is more detail about that at WP:Notability (people); in this case the section WP:ARTIST is relevant. The test we use is not, do we think she is important? but, have other people, independent of her, thought her important and significant enough to write about?
Unless notability can be clearly established, it is likely that your article may be nominated under the WP:Articles for deletion process. That involves a debate, normally lasting seven days, to which any user (including you) can contribute, at the end of which an administrator will decide what to do. The debate is in terms of Wikipedia's policies, and is not a vote. You can continue to work on the article during the debate. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice I was going to edit the post to make it more acceptable It was just a starting point for myself So it will be expanded shortly I appreciate your help! (JR (talk) 14:43, 10 October 2010 (UTC))
- You're welcome. Two more points: in conversations like this, we usually make them easier to follow by indenting each contribution, like this, by the use of colon characters at the beginning of each paragraph.
- Also, your signature isn't working right. The "talk" link should be to User talk:JReeve89; yours is missing the word "User" and has a semi-colon instead of a colon, and there is something odd about the brackets. The easiest way to get a signature right is to uncheck the box marked "Treat the above as wiki markup" in the "Signature" section of "My preferences". Then signing with four "tilde" characters produces a signature like mine. If you want to leave the box checked and make yourself a more individual signature, that's fine, but make sure that the "talk" link actually links to your talk page. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 15:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Some general advice
editI gather you are contributing as part of a university project. That's fine, but there are some pitfalls that your colleagues and your instructor should be aware of. Please look at these links:
and ask your instructor to look at them, and also at
Writing a Wikipedia article differs in some important respects from writing a normal student paper. One of Wikipedia's key content policies is that we do not publish original work - everything in a Wikipedia article needs to be verifiable from a reliable published source. Please read the policy WP:No original research carefully, in particular the section headed "Synthesis of published material that advances a position". (That's not normally a problem with a biographical article like yours).
Also, no Wikipedia article is owned by its first author - see WP:OWN - every article may be edited by anyone. That may be a problem for a student who wants his or her work not to be altered until it has been marked. It may be best to create an article in a user sub-page (see WP:UP#Creating user subpages), and move it into the main encyclopedia when it is ready; that also avoids the danger of it being speedily deleted before it is complete. But all articles must comply with Wikipedia's policies - in particular, subjects must be notable and content must be verifiable from reliable sources.
The links in the (rather intimidating) Welcome paragraph above will tell you more about contributing; WP:My first article is a good lead-in. You can always ask advice at the WP:Help desk, or by putting {{helpme}} at the bottom of your talk page with a question below it, or by leaving a message on my talk page. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:22, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
- Many thanks for your generous feedback to this student, JohnCD. I mentioned everything you've brought up here during the introductory workshop I had with the students a couple of days ago, including all the help pages. "No original research" is paramount with any Wikipedia entry, of course, and the ownership and editing points you raised are not an issue with the way the assignment is designed. Naturally, there's a learning curve we're all dealing with here. Your patience and really useful comments are greatly appreciated. --ToniSant (talk) 16:26, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Toni is correct that Im still learning how to use the editing features but I've learnt from my mistakes and will not be making them again however I can assure you the errors I may have made initially will be redeemed when I come to re-editing it.--JReeve89 (talk)
- No worries - you're doing fine, not many beginners get the formatting of references right first time. JohnCD (talk) 21:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Nomination of Annabeth Robinson for deletion
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A discussion has begun about whether the article Annabeth Robinson, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annabeth Robinson until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
You may edit the article during the discussion, including to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. Kinu t/c 04:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)