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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : Issue XXXVIII (April 2009)

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Stalkers wanted

I'm making an appeal to everyone who's fielded questions on my talk page before; anyone who wants to drop by once a day to have a look would be most welcome for the next couple of weeks. I've got my hands full doing CSD work and communicating with wikiprojects about WP:Article alerts, I'm converting a fair number of speedies into prods and tagging the talk pages so that wikiprojects will be alerted. Also, I think it's generally better for someone who has questions about a deletion to talk with someone other than the deleter; that relationship is off on the wrong foot. I'll be happy to return the favor. (Watchlisting) - Dank (formerly Dank55) (push to talk) 21:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

OFC

I'm still writting - Eduardocombe

Vietnamese New Native Language

It looks like you had your hands full on those reverts. Let me know if any further problems arise. Best, --TeaDrinker (talk) 11:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

My significant other

Ironholds, you are awesome, and I thank you. The name of the publication is the 'British Blue Book of the Crimean War', and if you could find it she says you can marry her instead! Cheers man, Skinny87 (talk) 11:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Ack, sorry, all we know is that it was a contemporary report, issued a little after the end of the conflict. Skinny87 (talk) 11:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

That's really kind of you - it's any kind of mental health issues in soldiers during and just after the Crimean War. Skinny87 (talk) 12:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I had my suspicions of how easy it would be to find, Charlotte only found one book mentioning it in any detail. How difficult would it be for you to convert them to pdfs? Skinny87 (talk) 12:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, I don't want to put you out :) Cheers again; look, I have to go offline for a while now, but I'll hit you up on IRC. If you want to send those pdfs via my email, that'll be great. Thanks again, Skinny87 (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Re:Heading

You're welcome mate! PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 13:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

And sarcasm as well! Oh, the fun never stops with people like you. Ironholds (talk) 13:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Joey fitz

Hi, I can't ask you to look at Joey fitz again because I've deleted it. But if you remind me at the London meetup I'll explain why I thought it was an attack not an A7. Cheers ϢereSpielChequers 15:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Chiltern Hundreds

Thanks for the kind remarks about my articles on Liberal MPs. I will try and add a few to the reasons column on the Chiltern Hundreds pages from time to time. Cheers --Graham Lippiatt (talk) 15:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your opinion

Ironholds, Gaia Octavia Agrippa has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing! Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk | _Sign 20:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

FYI

FYI. rootology (C)(T) 04:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia meets

Thanks for the invitation to the London meet on 17 May. I live in Birmingham (West Mids, not Alabama regretfully) but used to be London-based and do get down from time to time. Can't make the 17 May but maybe a future one. Regards, --Graham Lippiatt (talk) 11:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Ross Parker

Hi, I've made quite a few changes to the article. Hope you agree it's a reasonably big improvement. Please let me know how else you think it can be improved.--Shakehandsman (talk) 14:38, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Experimental space acid rock

Hi, while it's not a test (and I was about to do exactly what you did). There's no need to swear in edit summaries. Cheers - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 18:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

History of Lyon

I'm translating the article. I'll finish 75% for next week :) Lulu97417 (talk) 18:29, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Christine Crawley, Baroness Crawley of Edgbaston

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Gatoclass (talk) 12:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

US Congress

Please attempt to follow your advice in the last point above. I have been working on these articles for years with several people having complex misunderstanding you are naturally repeating. My solution may not be perfect, but generally some calm, professional thought is useful. Consider the possibility that I understand something you don't and that it might take physical evidence and months of thought for your to realize the problem. I am doing no harm, perhaps some good, and certainly haven't deserved the comments you are making. stilltim (talk) 13:28, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Hell's Belles (band)

Hi. I noticed you tagged the article as a speedy A7. I originally brought it to AfD because (for some reason) I thought articles that had been around for a while can't be speedied. Am I wrong? Yintaɳ  14:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)\

Peter F. Cross

This article was tagged with an A7 tag and was deleted within five minutes of creation, even before I had a chance to place a {hangon} tag on it. Cross was a minor figure at the U.S. Mint in Philadelphia, but had a major role in the creation of a historic double eagle gold coin as well as a commemorative medal. I had also provided two reliable independent references, including that of an official U.S. government website. Bill (talk) 23:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Smith v Eric S Bush

I think that Mr Bush, the surveyor went in the trade by his full name, which is why all the casebooks show this. I agree though, it's unusual! Wikidea 08:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Trust me on the name! As for the case of the hooded man, it looks good, but where are the case citations? Is it not reported? You could use an infobox, like in Carlill. Also, do you think you could stay with a facts/judgment format? If you want to give long fact descriptions, then perhaps the thing to do is give a very quick (two or three sentence) overview of the facts and the CA decision: of course, this case mightn't be legally significant (I've never heard of it!) and more of a cool story. :) Wikidea 12:31, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you spoke too soon! I just found it for you on Westlaw (by typing Alverstone, Ridley and Phillimore into the search). There it is: R. v Williams (John)Court of Criminal Appeal; 13 January 1913; (1913) 8 Cr. App. R. 133. Have you got access? Wikidea 12:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm putting up an infobox, and leave you to do the rest. It's out of copyright, so you can take out the formatting and paste up the judgment (if you wanted). Did you say you've done more contract cases? Are you adding categories (eg <Category:English contract law> as you go? Wikidea 12:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Cheers - but as it happens I have to be away next weekend. I did have in mind to pop by, but it'll have to wait! Wikidea 13:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

the v. vs. the v

Hi Ironholds,

Thanks for catching me again on using "v." versus "v" . Are you sure this is a transatlantic convention? I am inclined to use "v." I will stop doing it if you're certain it's not the United States convention, but I'd appreciate if you could point me to a style guide of some kind. thanks Agradman (talk) 19:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

In America we use a v. , in Britain a v is used Geoff Plourde (talk) 20:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, gotcha, ta. Lots of little things like that in the world - I've yet to work out why we Brits spell "judgement" wrong when dealing with law. Ironholds (talk) 20:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Its due to differences between Queen's English and American English. When we designed our own primers, the authors simplified conventions they saw as silly. Geoff Plourde (talk) 16:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Gummer, Baron Chadlington

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Shubinator (talk) 21:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Cobi

Did you tell him to disallow Cluebot 3 on my talk page? PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 04:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you did but you're lying :/ PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 04:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

please excuse my united states chauvinism

we don't know any better :) thanks for the fix Agradman (talk) 16:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

RFA thank you

My RFA passed today at 75/2/1 so I wanted to thank you for your participation in it. Special thanks go to GlassCobra and FlyingToaster for their nomination and support. Cheers! --Rosiestep (talk) 03:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Image question-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dasyprocta_prymnolopha_(Harvard_University).JPG Are byelaw clauses actually enforceable in the US? Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:48, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Clarification - I meant in this case 'byelaws' indicated by US museums against commercial photography... Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Museums are -http://www.hmnh.harvard.edu/ & http://www.peabody.yale.edu/ respectivly, however the note about photography was according to the notes on the image in an offline pamphlet.. In any case the image linked is valid fair-use IMO :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast response, I'm suspecting 'internal' museum rules rather than local ordinances though. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Mass Deletion.

Hello,

An admin left this on my Talk page.

"Deleting them is not a problem at all. Would take me a half hour or so, but the mechanics of it aren't difficult. However there has been no decision to delete them all. If they truly are all the same, you need to bundle them, or at least some subset of them (say 20) into a mass AfD nomination (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list multiple related pages for deletion) and then, using that subset as representative of the larger class, ask for deletion of them all. Getting the decision to delete a few through separate AfDs results in some precedent for a future mass nomination but you need to be transparent, directly calling for people to debate the merits of deleting the whole class. Once you get a decision to delete them all, an admin will take care of it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)"

Could be usefull.--gordonrox24 (talk) 11:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The whole discussion can be found here.--gordonrox24 (talk) 10:59, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Thank you for participating in my recent RfA, which was unable pass with a final tally of (45/39/9). I plan on addressing the concerns raised and working to improve in the next several months. Hopefully, if/when I have another RfA I will win your support. Special thanks go to MBisanz, GT5162, and MC10 for nominating me. Thanks again, -download ׀ sign! 01:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Stilltim

RFC for Stilltim has been created. Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Stilltim

DYK

		The 50 DYK Medal
		Most excellent, Ironholds! Good work. Please do continue to improve Wikipedia with your talent, it doesn't go unnoticed.  :) Synergy 12:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Socks and VK

I have no idea whether Kittybrester's new friend is a sock or not. However, you should look at Kittybrewster's history of a possessing a following of supportive socks and in turn supporting an entire court of socks (supposedly now banned). It is hardly surprising that some editors now automatically fear the worst. Giano (talk) 10:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Congress articles

I have done my level best, with complete sincerity, to address the concerns expressed about having this data on various accounts, etc, etc. I have almost built the 23rd United States Congress to display and will still finish it. However, it then took less than an hour for a user (Markles) to completely undo the work and restore the unattractive, confused and incomplete article proceeding. I really need some serious help by anyone that cares about getting this right because I honestly am feeling persecuted and will soon give up my efforts. stilltim (talk) 19:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

• Please see my reply to this claim at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Stilltim#Response to concerns.—Markles 19:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Christopher Grigson

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Orlady (talk) 01:07, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Gruban v Booth

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article Gruban v Booth you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Vicenarian (talk) 23:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Help with stopping unjustified Re.co.do edits

Hi. I've just finished reviewing the edits on this article, and it appears to me that editor Gregser is adding and deleting material from the article that he created with little heed to editorial criticism. I've just explained the main problems to them on their talk page. [1] Since one of their actions was to delete without explanation the prod tag that you added [2], perhaps you could help here. Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 00:22, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Article has been deleted, saving you the trouble. Best Regards, Piano non troppo (talk) 02:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Gruban v Booth

The article Gruban v Booth you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Gruban v Booth for eventual comments about the article. Well done! Vicenarian (talk) 00:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

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ANI

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collect

You are involved in a recently-filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#edit warring by collect and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

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Thanks, --Brendan19 (talk) 19:46, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Shameless thankspam

FlyingToaster Barnstar

Hello you limey bastard! Thank you so much for your support in my recent RfA, which passed with a tally of 126/32/5. I am truly humbled by the trust you placed in me, and will endeavor to live up to that trust. To the queen! FlyingToaster

Mentor etc.

Sure, as long as your mentorship doesn't restrict my editing any area of the wiki. --PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 13:52, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Heads up

I sent you a semi-important email (a reply to your reply). Mind find it interesting. EVula // talk // ☯ // 16:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

What's cookin' :-/ --PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 16:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Er, it was an email sent to Ironholds, not you. :P EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:12, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

OK maybe I'm just paranoid. PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 16:21, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

supervision

Thank you for stepping in. Frankly, this was the outcome I was hoping would happen. My first proposal was designed to be sufficiently unpleasant to encourage the alternative. I'm glad we have folks around who are willing and capable to step in and I hope we can turn the pirate into a fine upstanding wikipedian. I'm mostly off-line over the next week so I'll talk to you later. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 02:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Why did you revert my edit

ROLLBACK...why? PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 17:08, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh bloody hell woops, sorry. I don't remember clicking rollback, but.... Thanks for catching it :). Ironholds (talk) 17:13, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

For a second I thought you're into tits-for-tat but then I AGF PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 17:16, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

SALIN page.

Hello, you have recommended the SALIN page for deletion (directing me to the WP:ORG page)

SALIN is a "notable" South Australian organisation.

SALIN events have been covered in Australia's peak Library and Information publication "InCite", published by the Australian Library and Information Association ([3]). SALIN has a membership of over 300 people. Through its membership it has significance to the Library community in South Australia. It complements the activities of ALIA (the Australian Library and Information Association).

SALIN is not a company. It is a network. It is non-profit.

SALIN is recognised by the following academic and professional institutions:

Flinders University http://www.lib.flinders.edu.au/info/trainee/contact.html University of South Australia http://www.unisa.edu.au/bim/Info/default.asp and ALIA http://www.alia.org.au/links/organisations.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjaminwheal (talk • contribs) 02:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Frak you

Thanks. I saw that you removed a db-nonsense claim. Still, I wish there was a speedy for stuff like this--as far as I'm concerned it's vandalism, and prodding and AfDing takes a lot of time. Don't you think that the creator removes the prod immediately? I mean, they can, can't they? Drmies (talk) 04:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Rugbymania

Hi, who can I ask a e-mail with the deleted page? and who can explain me why the page was deleted? thank you very much and sorry for my English.--Cenzin (talk) 09:54, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Pirate problems continue

Can you address this edit summary with the editor? Thanks. Toddst1 (talk) 11:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Ironholds (talk) 11:16, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. This one too. Cheers. Toddst1 (talk) 11:23, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yup, saw it - I think there isn't a point in bringing it up right now as well as others if he chooses to correct the issue. Ironholds (talk) 11:24, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for stepping in to this situation. Toddst1 (talk) 12:09, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

As Superman would probably say if I knew anything about Superman, "no problem ma'am, it's my job". :P Ironholds (talk) 12:15, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi

Hi ! saw your reply in Peter Symonds page regarding Adoption Subash.chandran⁰⁰⁷_sign ! 06:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

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Kaz Incorporated article

Hi there, saw your nomination for speedy deletion of Kaz Incorporated article I recently created. To be honest I was not that familiar with the "Criteria for Speedy Deletion". I was personally intrigued by the company history after I recently bought a humidifier manufactured by the company, and I thought its absence from Wikipedia was an oversight. So I thought I might be of service in contributing the information I could find.

Ultimately I believe it's noteworthy, but I'm indifferent to the final disposition of the article. I'll spend my 30-45 minutes on some other endeavor next time. However it looks like another editor removed your speedy deletion nomination shortly after it was added.

I'll let you the two of you figure it out. Cheers, Dgstangel (talk) 20:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Major factories of Tabriz

Hi, the above article, which you (quite correctly) tagged for deletion earlier this month has had its tag removed by another editor without explanation. If you reinstate it I shall be happy to give support.--AssegaiAli (talk) 12:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Reply from SchnitzelMannGreek

Thanks for the positive reply on the article about JoesphII. Sorry about the category thing:) I'm glad that you liked it. I had the day off today so I spent my whole day translating these articles(for Wikiproject Assyria) from German to English by hand. I also fixed some rough translations I did for other articles because German is a hard language to translate especially by hand:)If you want...maybe you could check them out. Hopefully I get the Rosetta Stone Barnstar. HAHa--lol!SchnitzelMannGreek. 18:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Glanville Davies affair

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Dravecky (talk) 02:21, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Rilliotrix

Thanks for your opinion. Google the term. It's nonsense (no meaningful content or history) or it's a hoax (or as you would prefer, let's wait 5 days for it to be deemed madeup). Google brings up 6 hits for a girl by the same name as she published in her article (which shouldn't have personally identifiable information). I've PRODed many madeup terms when appropriate, and this is not one of them.    7   ^{talk | Δ |}   12:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Never mind - 21:23, 2009 May 28 Syrthiss (talk | contribs) deleted "Rilliotrix" ‎ (G1: Patent nonsense, meaningless, or incomprehensible: no, really. its csdworthy) -

But again, thanks for your condescending comments. I checked your usercount before writing to you (and I'm surprised), perhaps you should try the same before educating fellow vandalism fighters.    7   ^{talk | Δ |}   12:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

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Comment on My RFA (Tyw7)

What do you mean by this "you've had a fixed IP address for yonks" --Tyw7‍ ‍‍ (Talk ● Contributions) Leading Innovations >>> 12:34, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by "Also see non-neutral WP:CANVASSing here and here. The messages are neutral enough, the target audience is not." --Tyw7‍ ‍‍ (Talk ● Contributions) Leading Innovations >>> 13:24, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Then how can I inform people? --Tyw7‍ ‍‍ (Talk ● Contributions) Leading Innovations >>> 13:27, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Coke

I'd be happy to collaborate on fixing up the Edward Coke article. As you can see if you go to the Coke page, I've added most of what's written in my sandbox to the article already. Right now, I'm just sort of slowly working on a section about Coke's writings (e.g. the Reports and the Institutes.) If you've got any thoughts about what more should be added to the page, or how to improve it, I'd be happy to discuss it. I think it would be important at some point to explain just why Coke is so important to the Anglo-American tradition of the rule of law - perhaps in the article's introduction. Groundsquirrel13 (talk) 17:53, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Another Tai Michels hoax

Sees Me Through does not exist. I've done my digging. This guy must be having a blast. Can it be speedied as a hoax? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

And does rampant hoxery count toward a block? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Benson, Baron Benson

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Dravecky (talk) 20:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Googol Hyperplex

I wasn't going to tag with context initially, but couldn't think of anything better to tag with especially since, the same guy has created Googol Hyperplex, Googol Megaplex, Googol Gigaplex. Of the lot, Megaplex is actually valid, it was defined the same time as Googol, but the Hyperplex and Gigaplex are pure made up stuff (discovered on May 29, 2009 is what the article said!). I didn't think a redirect was worth it as no one is going to search using these terms, but didn't want to waste time with an AfD on this. --SpacemanSpiff (talk) 03:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Coppell Copperheads and McKinney Marshals

I do not understand why these should be deleted in a speedy manner and why this should be an issue. Nothing has been copyrighted or anything to that nature, but Coppell Copperheads and McKinney Marshals are relevant and works in progress. Yes, I will continue to correct little things on these each day, but these two pages are significant and valid. They are not going to be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjrbbhaw81 (talk • contribs) 03:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Changed from Professional team to Summer Collegiate team

McKinney Marshals and Coppell Copperheads were changed at the beginning of each page to Summer Collegiate team. Please let me know if this is what you believe is appropriate. Please look at the other pages in the Texas Collegiate League to see if they are correct. Either way, inform me and I will correct it further. Good observation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjrbbhaw81 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Tom Deitz

I have declined your speedy request at Tom Deitz and recommend that you take it to Wikipedia:Copyright problems. Only about a third of the article was in the source you referenced, though the remainder may be copyvio of other sources. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 04:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Sneakiness

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

You probably will wish to mention to your mentee that this, even if it was a joke, wasn't really appropriate. I think EVula is a fine admin and 'crat, but he's human; and it's entirely possible he may have not noticed the deception until after the fact. bahamut0013^words_deeds 08:29, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I see you fell for it. :P I was referring to the fact that he piped sysop permissions in that link instead of rollback. I have a very hard time believing that it was accidental. bahamut0013^words_deeds 11:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Bringing it up does nothing, though - he'll cry AGF, as he always does. If you can think of anything to do, give me a poke. Ironholds (talk) 11:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I think a large cartoon hammer to the skull may help. bahamut0013^words_deeds 10:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

It was a typo...or nine..I meant to Special:UserRights PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 13:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

That's rather a large typo to make. And you didn't notice the difference between UserRights and uhh, MakeSysop? AGF only goes so far. Ironholds (talk) 13:16, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I've seen enough. That's about the most egregious deception I've seen on wikipedia. I indef blocked. Let any unblock discussion prove me wrong, but it's time to be bold here. Toddst1 (talk) 15:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeesh, let's have just a little faith in the fact that I'm not a fucking idiot, shall we?

I'll grant you that it was a really stupid joke on Pirate's part, but there are a couple of other factors at play:

• Special:MakeSysop has a very big "this system is deprecated" tag at the top. I'd have to be wearing my I'm a total idiot cap (which I very, very rarely wear... I really should get rid of the thing) to not see it. Granted, there's no way for a non-'crat to know (since you don't even get that far if you try to view the page), but still, it's pretty hard to "accidentally" use that page.
  • (for those that are wondering why I'd bother clicking the link at all, it was because I figured it'd be a good idea to refresh on when his rollback was removed)
• Somehow, there's an assumption being made that I would have granted the rollback in the first place, even if it had been a real link. I had no intention of doing so, which is why I let it go; it was a dumb joke and yet another attempt at getting rollback, and I wasn't going to have anything to do with it.

So, yeah, that's my two cents. I think the indef block is a bit extreme, despite the fact that he's on such amazingly thin ice. I'd say pare it back to a month or so. EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment from blocking admin

Thanks folks for your comments here. Evula, This wasn't meant to insult your intelligence. It was clear you didn't (and probably wouldn't) fall for such a sophomoric stunt. However, in the context of the broader power-lust and other disruption, and the comments above, it was clear that the mentorship wasn't working despite Ironholds' efforts. IMHO, a temporary block would be punitive, so I issued an indefinite block which I figured would be controversial.

Ironholds, I'm going to close this discussion and move it to my talk page at this point if it's ok with you, since at this point it's about my block. Thanks to Ironholds for trying to help here and apologies for cluttering up your talk page. Again, thanks to all for their comments and perspectives. Toddst1 (talk) 12:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coppell Copperheads

Just a quick note on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coppell Copperheads. You typed "basketball", and I'm sure you meant "baseball". I took the liberty of fixing that in your nom, but if I goofed feel free to revert me. Cheers!--Fabrictramp | talk to me 16:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Kitten

PirateSmackK^Arrrr! has given you a kitten! Kittens promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Kittens must be fed three times a day and will be your faithful companion forever! Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a kitten, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

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DYK for Authorised Conveyancing Practitioners Board

On May 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Authorised Conveyancing Practitioners Board, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 20:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Expanding article

How do I find sources to expand Testicle Festival and Piracy in Indonesia? PirateSmackK^Arrrr! 07:56, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Anguispira cumberlandiana and copyright

Hi Ironholds,

I just took a look at this article. The quotes that were in it were not a copyright violation. They were in the public domain, being taken from publications dating from the 1840s. Since they were the original species descriptions for this snail, I think it is appropriate for them to be included in the article. I did put them in block quotes however. Hope this is OK with you. Best wishes, Invertzoo (talk) 13:28, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Concerto Barocco

Hello, Ironholds. You have new messages at Robertgreer's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Notability of Torrey Farms

• It's one of the largest farms in New York; it's larger than every other New York farm with an article. Category:Farms in New York
• It is the largest area of muckland in the world.
• It is highly sourced and covered in the media Daniel Christensen (talk) 15:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

So please LITFA I just made it up, t least I think I did; do you know what it means?

Oh I guess I didn't; I see it used to be an article. Daniel Christensen (talk) 16:02, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

It's funny I just read that thing about being civil and not using language.

If you don't think it's notable please don't look at my other articles. Daniel Christensen (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Where is the deletion discussion?

You know, one of these] Daniel Christensen (talk) 16:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Listen

I felt you were slandering him because of the words you used. "bullshitter", "liar" and you really don't have absolute proof that he was "bullshitting" or "lying". Let me clue you in on what I think of Pirate. To be honest, you don't even understand what I went through reverting all his vandalism on ED. I don't like him, but I feel something like an indefinite ban is much. Ban him for a week, a month or hell, you could for a year. All I'm saying is you guys need to loosen up a bit. Not on vandalism, but just towards the user base. Also if I not have mentioned, I've had rollback 4 times here. You never know who you're running into on this wiki... M^\R 20:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

• Well, the last point I made was just pointing that you never know who you're running into on Wikipedia because it's the biggest wiki. All of my rollback accounts are all blocked, that was a million years ago in wiki years. I looked back at his talk page and old revisions of other pages as well, yeah he is bullshitting and lying. I think I should have done my research a tad more about this. Yeah, and I apologize for that ANI discussion. I was raged about it, but I still think the length of the ban is a little too much. As for me, I'm nothing to worry about anymore. All I do now is remove ridiculous red links that probably wouldn't have pages. I actually wouldn't mind getting into the loop and maybe doing constructive work here. M^\R 05:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Just a note: looking at his talk page doesn't do much good, as it's missing a fair amount of its history. Now that I'm off my wikibreak, I should probably put his talk page back together... EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Party-Rock

Hope you don't mind, I replaced your PROD at Party-Rock with a redirect to LMFAO (band). The text added by User:Wowum808 is certainly WP:NFT, but Party Rock is the name of LMFAO's EP and therefore a potential search term.

If you disagree with what I've done feel free to let me know. Euryalus (talk) 23:11, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Courts and Legal Services Act 1990

I was going through DYK's and checked this one out. First of all, that's a mighty piece of work you've done there. Can you just confirm my understanding, from your article text, that prior to the passage of the Courts and Legal Services Act 1990, a solicitor could not become a Supreme Court judge - ie, not even by invitation? If that is correct, then I think the DYK hook is all fine. I just wanted to check that this was right, and that you hadn't actually meant to say that before the Act, a solicitor could not apply to become a Supreme Court Judge. Cheers. hamiltonstone (talk) 01:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Chicago center for green technology

Hello, I contested your speedy delete request as I believe the article has possible potential, I tried to improved the neutrality of the article by cleaning some useless and promotional material out of it. I also fixed the broken references and mark citation requests. I advised the creator to study up his guidelines and try to further improve the article. Finally I added advert, cleanup, notability, refimprove, and orphan tags. I can see the article as being afd worthy for notability and advertisement if you wish to pursue that. regards,  Rmzadeh  ►  04:49, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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--KathleenSeidel (talk) 12:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

All the ANIs, WQA, CUs, RFC/Us and RFARs are over, I trust. I sincerely thank you for voicing your position on the RFC/U on me. I did not canvass anyone, and in order to avoid any claims that I canvassd, I waited until now (the request to reopen the RFC/U seems dead). Again, many thanks! Collect (talk) 12:42, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

SALIN

What is the shortcut for the template of 'This IP appears to apply the principle of !vote early, !vote often'? --Narson ~ Talk • 14:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Benson Commission

On June 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Benson Commission, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 09:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Courts and Legal Services Act 1990

On June 3, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Courts and Legal Services Act 1990, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Royalbroil 09:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

deletion

Are you nuts? Why are you doing this to me?Max Mux (talk) 18:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC) You qare sick sick stop —Preceding unsigned comment added by Max Mux (talk • contribs) 18:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC) Answer me!Max Mux (talk) 18:47, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Roy Harris Cape Town South Africa

An article that you have been involved in editing, Roy Harris Cape Town South Africa, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roy Harris Cape Town South Africa. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Jayron32.talk.contribs 18:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Blu (Software) PROD

Hello, as of your proposition, I have gone thru Notability link, but i really dont find any point tht matches with this article in favor of deletion. If I'm missing somthin, plz let me kno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deblopper (talk • contribs) 19:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeh, I think I got it :D... I've removed the template, started the discussion in talk page, added Blu in Twitter Client List. Anything else I should have done to stop PROD ?

One more thing, I think thrs not much good pages regarding to the Software Engineering related articles. I wanna send a msg template to all Wikipeoject Software members, to contribute in it. Can u plz help me how to make a Banner template ???

Thanks in advance. – Deb ‖ Poke • EditList ‖ 20:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Removed Prod from Ballies

I have removed the {{prod}} tag from Ballies, which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still think the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- Atama^chat 19:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

You are a coward

You are a coward, a liar, and a non-understander. Havent you looked on the other foreign relations of Barbados articles? If you havent, take a look, because I do not think you have seen them. And you must be one of those ignorant people that do not care about others and want to do it their own way, just like the foolish countries that did not recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia but recognzied Kosovo. Your one of those people. I am ashamed of you. Oxana879 (talk) 01:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Bobphoreal: tag for removal of speedy delete tag

You have posted on Bobphoreal's talk page to say "you removed a speedy deletion tag from Darcy White, a page you have created yourself". Actually the page was created by Vls322512. Not a big deal, and an easy mistake to make, but I thought I'd mention it as a caution for future care, in case you hadn't already realised. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Peers

Could you explain your comments on my talk page. The ANI posts seem to suggest no such thing - there seems NO CONSENSUS but rather your opinion. Could you substantiate your comments with a link as you seem to be attempting to change a long standing convention Kernel Saunters (talk) 09:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks For mentoring me and helping me every time -SubashChandran007 ׀ sign! 12:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! :). Ironholds (talk) 14:25, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikiquette Alert

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DYK for Lord Chancellor's Advisory Committee on Legal Education and Conduct

On June 5, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lord Chancellor's Advisory Committee on Legal Education and Conduct, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Giants27 15:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

FYI

[4] rootology (C)(T) 17:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Stilltim

I don't know, it's not very clear cut right now. He is starting to get an excessive number of articles in his userspace. I'd keep an eye on it and if it continues to grow without any chance of those articles going mainspace, then we can try something. A mass MfD is likely to fail because MfD generally leans toward keeping most everything that is even tangentially related to the encyclopedia. We'd have to probably go at it from a behavior/working against consensus angle again, which is long and tedious as you know. So lets wait until it's more clear cut that these drafts are excessive and are probably never going to hit mainspace. Gigs (talk) 17:45, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

• And now changes outside his userspace. 46th United States Congress. —Markles 19:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

In recognition

		"Speedy" Award
		In grateful acknowledgment of your consistently excellent work with speedy deletions. - Dank (push to talk) 19:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! :). Ironholds (talk) 22:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm out of here

Because we had a lot of contact during the PirateSmackK episode I figured it'd be fair to let you know I'm quitting Wikipedia. I no longer believe this project has any chance of becoming a reliable, respected source of information. The endless vandalism and, more importantly, the community's refusal to battle it head-on (by introducing flagged revisions, BLP protection, etc) are slowly turning this project into a sad, unreliable joke. Also, when it comes to trolls and puppets there's enough Good Faith here to make Neville Chamberlain blush. (Don't take this personally, I respect you for your attempts to mentor SmackK but I don't understand why the guy wasn't banned after his first week.) I think the WP community is way too lenient when it comes to vandals, POV pushers, system gamers, puppets and trolls. That's their decision of course, fine, but it's a decision that I'm far from comfortable with and one that does this project a lot of harm. I feel I'm wasting my time reverting vandalism that can (and will) be restored the moment I turn my back. It's like hunting for burglars in the house of somebody who refuses to lock the door at night: an endless, pointless task. So thanks for your help and messages, and goodbye. Take care, Yintaɳ  23:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for sticking up for me at WP:ANI a few days back. Interesting first encounter with User:Rms125a@hotmail.com... I guess I was a bit hasty in redirecting the articles and should have moved some material to the peerage article before redirecting. Tryde (talk) 12:26, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: House of Lords

Thanks for the heads' up.Tyrenon (talk) 19:27, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I would like to add in a question: Do you think revisions to WP:POLITICIAN in the case of "sham parliaments" (i.e. those in which elections are purely non-competitive and all matters before them are rubber-stamp matters; North Korea's legislature comes to mind, as does the Saddam-era Iraqi legislature) would be in order? They seem to suffer from defects along the lines of the House of Lords, if of a slightly different nature.Tyrenon (talk) 04:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, if I had to suggest something, I would include three legislative types under WP:POLITICIAN and two not under it. Under it would be:

• Bodies that were democratically elected;
• Bodies that were indirectly elected but those electing them were democratically elected; and
• Bodies that were appointed, but almost all or all of the appointees were chosen by a democratically elected official (de facto, at least).

What I would exclude would be the following:

• Bodies "elected" without democratic opposition (or with exceedingly limited democratic opposition in unfree or blatantly rigged elections); and
• Bodies with a large number of persons neither elected nor themselves appointed by a democratically-elected government.

This would cover everything from the original US Senate to the Canadian Senate to the modern House of Lords under WP:POLITICIAN. It would exempt bodies hereditary in nature (i.e. the old HoL), where the process buffered the body from election too aggressively (i.e. the Chinese legislature), or where the election was a blatant sham (i.e. North Korea).Tyrenon (talk) 05:39, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

It would be senseless.Max Mux (talk) 20:06, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your intelligent and well thought-out argument Max. Ironholds (talk) 04:29, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK Question

Ironholds, I have noticed that you are experienced editor involved with the "passing" of many of the "Did You Knows", therefore I wanted to ask you the following question; don't you think that it is kind of strange that a non-registered user (User:59.101.242.95) without any experience passed the June 5th DYK nom. of Sebastian Petrycy? I checked the users contributions and to my surprise, I found that is his/her only contribution to Wkipedia. Strange isn't it? While I'm at it, I was wondering if you had the time, if you could be kind enough to check my June 5th nomination for Francisco Matos Paolí. Thank you and pardon the bother. Tony the Marine (talk) 08:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you for your imput. I only wish that there were more Wikipedians like you. Hey, I'm one away from my 50th DYK. Take care. Tony the Marine (talk) 20:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Stilltim

I noticed that he is starting to create article forks again. 41st United States Congress - state detail and 41st United States Congress - membership changes. I've asked him to stop at his talk page, but the only response I get is his same "I'm working on it, it's not ready, please wait." It appears that he has not changed his ways, and will continue creating article forks on articles in his own image. The RFC did not work nor does he appear willing to seek consensus (claims he doesn't know "how"). Any advice?DCmacnut<> 13:37, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

• Stilltim responded to my questions at his talk page. Thought you'd like to see my response back.DCmacnut<> 14:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)