User talk:Ifly6/Second Triumvirate

Later legacy

@T8612: Do you have any comments as to things to add about later legacy? Or otherwise about the article writ large? Ifly6 (talk) 03:35, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Translate the Latin" nulla iam publica arma".

I would remove the "see also", and mention the First Triumvirate right in the lede (hence "second"). You can remove dictator as it's already linked in the article. T8612 (talk) 08:38, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

As an aside, how would you name the ennemies of Sulla during his Civil War? Many Wiki articles call them Populares, but it's probably wrong. There are however various names in the academic literature but I think it would be better to have a standard name. I found Marians, Marianists, Cinnans, Marian-Cinnan faction, etc. Problem is that both Marius and Cinna were already dead when Sulla returned from the East. T8612 (talk) 08:42, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I've usually read them described as Marians or Cinnans. As to Carbo, I guess, he just gets swept under the rug. It feels like CAH's description of the war tries as hard as possible not to depict two factions fighting, naming commanders only. Golden, Crisis management (2013), uses "Marian-Cinnan faction" (pp. 119 et seq); Wilson, Dictator (2021), uses "Marians" alone (pp. 294 et seq). Ifly6 (talk) 13:36, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

I got a translation for Latin nulla iam publica arma from Loeb. Removed the section See also. Do you have any comments about Later legacy (currently an empty section) or do you think it should just be omitted? Anything else to add on Legacy in general? Ifly6 (talk) 13:56, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

Further comment

@T8612: Hi, sorry for pinging you again. Do you have any comments for this draft? I would still be open for additions to Legacy and Later legacy. Ifly6 (talk) 22:11, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't have much idea regarding this. The two triumvirates were usually considered together in later times, so I don't see any specific references to the "Second" Triumvirate. A "see also" to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumvirate#Modern_triumvirates would perhaps be appropriate here (and for the First Triumvirate). T8612 (talk) 23:54, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

That's sensible. I'll remove Later legacy; I've also restored the See also section. If you have any comment on this and User:Ifly6/First Triumvirate, please give. I'd like to have those sorted and moved over namespace by the end of the month. Ifly6 (talk) 12:49, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

"Octavian forced Lepidus from the triumvirate", give the date.

"triumviri rei publicae constituendae", I would give the full translation (the three men for the restoration of the republic)

I would expand the "creation" section in order to better detail their powers. It was a collective dictatorship in all but the name. I would say somewhere that the triumvir was a new magistracy superior to the consulship, which nevertheless continued to exist.

It should be said that it was a magistracy (I think).

and that they were also not elected or appointed, but named directly in the law. I'm not an expert of Roman law, but I think this was unheard of (even Sulla seems to have been appointed, not named in the lex Valeria).

When you mention the proscription, tell that it had been used by Sulla. Besides, you could refer more to Sulla's dictatorship regarding the extraordinary measures of the Triumvirs.

Maybe tell that Cicero and his family were proscribed mainly because of Antony (for the Philippicae). T8612 (talk) 14:24, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

@T8612: Gave date. Translation is already present in Creation. Powers expanded. The word "magistracy" added. I'll check Vervaet and MRR as to whether they were directly named in the law. I'll add in on Sulla. Added line about Cicero's opposition to Antony. Ifly6 (talk) 22:02, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Coins

Hello there yet again T8612! There are a few coins which are on the current Second Triumvirate article which are unsourced. I moved them over to the draft. I would greatly appreciate any help you can provide on sourcing and verifying attribution of the coin images. I've already added an anchor in the bibliography for Crawford RRC. Thanks. Ifly6 (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, give me a few days. T8612 (talk) 11:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)