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Swedish pronunciation

Thread moved from User talk:130.242.128.85#Swedish pronunciation 17:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC).

I noticed that you replaced the sound file pronouncing 'Konungariket Sverige' in the article on Sweden. Though the old pronounciation wasn't perfect, I find the new one to have a stunningly foreign ring to it. To me, it doesn't sound like a native swedish speaker at all. I tried making my own, and uploaded it here:

I'd like to hear your opinion before editing the article. If you find the pronounciation to be off, please delete my file and upload one of your own, or let me know and I'll try again.

User Talk:Herr_apa, 27 October 2006

Well, you can revert to the sound file I replaced with my own. You think I sound foreign? Well, I have lived in Sweden my whole life so that'd be strange. Maybe a slight dialectal pronunciation, which is ironic since the reason I replaced the former sound file was that I thought it had a dialectal (Stockholmian) pronunciation. But sure, this particular sound file may be the one one should put most effort into sounding as neutral as possible. Unfortunately, I can listen to your sound file, but if you think it sounds neutral enough (i.e., no Stockholmish, Scanian, Gutnish etc intonation), then go for it!

Hunef 19:29, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I sent the three options around to collect some outsider opinions, and decided to switch to the file above.

User:Herr_apa 15:21, 28 October 2006 (UTC))

OK, thanks!

Hunef 21:38, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Jens, your pronunciation files are spoken with a very distinct and rather quaint rural dialect. The thick "l":s and the slightly odd word accents are both dead giveaways. The sound file of Konungariket Sverige is even worse. I don't know how you managed it, but it actually sounds like it's been spoken by someone with Spanish accent. I suggest that you don't make any more recordings since you seem quite incapable of accurately assessing the dialect "neutrality" you're constantly demanding of me. The only criteria that seems consistent, in fact, is that you simply don't want it to sound like the speaker has been raised Stockholm.

Peter ^Isotalo 11:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I think both of us use a local accent when recording sound files. But of course, being a stockholmer (dominant area), you assume that your accent is the correct one. The best thing would be to remove all sound recordings since it is original research to claim that the sound recording one has made is neutral. So, as soon as I get home to Jämtland (I live in Stockholm now), I'll start erasing all sound recordings claimed to be Swedish. Of course, if acceptable sources are used, I will let the recordings be as they are. I have so far only touched recordings based on original research, like your ones, Mr Isotalo.

Dear Mr Isotalo, where are your sources stating that your sound recordings are actually good representations for Standard Swedish? And please, show me any sources proving that my recordings are worse than yours. Original research is not acceptable in Wikipedia!

Hunef 19:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

After some thought, I think we should remove all sound files and replace them with the more verifiable and neutral IPA transcriptions.

Hunef 23:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think threatening to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point will improve your standing as an editor. Why not do something constructive with your editing time and start up Swedish dialects instead? No one's going to stop you from turning that redirect into a proper article. If you don't have the literature where you live right now, you don't need to wait to get back to Jämtland to do some research. Literature is readily available at libraries all over Stockholm. You can find books on linguistics at Stockholm University Library, the Royal Library and even in some of the municipal libraries. I know Pamp is available at something like a dozen locations around Stockholm.

Peter ^Isotalo 16:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't intend to disrupt Wikipedia to make a point, but rather to conform to the work against original research. In my eyes, disruptions must be employed in order to work against original research. I assume you agree with me that recording sound files is original research, right? So, why not compromise and first discuss the sound files on Wikipedia? I agree I can be slightly childish in getting attention, but at least I got yours. So, should be discuss the sound files? If you're not willing to discuss the matter, I will remove the sound files and instead include IPA. It's not a threat, it's just information.

I will move back to dear Father Jämtland next Wednesday, so I'll gather some of my old sources there. The reason I seem "lazy" in citing my sources is because I have been living in Stockholm for the past year, so I haven't had access to neither any library I know about or my own personal collection of dialectal literature (e.g. journals).

Hunef 21:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Forgot to mention that this talk page will be obsolete as soon as I move away from Stockholm. Instead, I'll try to consequently use my Wikipedia account, i.e. the one with the name Hunef.

Hunef 21:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Trying to delete material based on a personal POV would be considered disrupting to make a point by anyone except you I would guess. And I'm guessing that the multiple temper tantrums you've thrown when being questioned haven't exactly improved your reputation here.

You're the only one going on about "neutral" or "correct" dialects while trying to push your own rural dialect that seems to be closer related to Jamtlandic than Standard Swedish. Just deal with it, because it's not my bloody fault and Wikipedia isn't the place to get even. You're acting like crank. Get your act together and get with the program and you'll be taken seriously. Otherwise you can always try writing for Swedish Wikipeia, where they probably still don't give a crap about how POV:ed you are as long as you complain long and loud enough.

Peter ^Isotalo 17:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It's not in accordance wiith Wikipedian policies to make a personal attack like you just did. Hunef 15:23, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

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Map of Swedish dialects

Regarding Image:Swedish dialects.PNG dialect map: Did you create it? Do you remember the source? It would helpful to include it in several articles. However, the yellow area in north-west and the light-blue area in north-east should have the same colour according to all sources, since the same group of dialects is spoken there according to the sources. (Ok, in a small area in Hälsingland and Jämtland, Norwegian dialects are spoken, but not in the huge yellow area.) Mange01 (talk) 14:56, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Wales

Please take a look at my (unanswered) questions to you on this page. You have reverted my changes without explanation on Wicipedia Cymraeg. Please do not do so again. Your map seems to have many flaws. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 04:43, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

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