User talk:Horse Eye Jack/Archives/2020/May

Your behaviour

I hope you don't take this personally. I want to ask you to reconsider your aggressive attitude towards me. You made an accusation of abusing the spirit and the letter of an essay [1], bossed me about my typo [2], apparently tracked my previous edits to vote against a recent AfD nominated by me, but this ridicule of my comment by loling [3], which I just saw, is way beyond acceptable. I'm pretty sure that you are well aware of Wikipedia's code of conduct, so I am not going to link anything for you. I think it is natural for users to have disagreements over edits, but that should lead to offensive language. Please consider this a friendly talk. Pahlevun (talk) 21:03, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

”lol” isn’t offensive language. I did in fact find your comment amusing, please assume good faith. I didn’t stalk your deletion, I follow both list of Iran-related deletion discussions and list of Politics-related deletion discussions so you can thank Captain Raju for my participation in that discussion. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for this edit restoring part of the Xinjiang region's history to Central Asia history [4] Geographyinitiative (talk) 00:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lisa Wilson-Foley

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Lisa Wilson-Foley you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Barrettsprivateers -- Barrettsprivateers (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Edits

Hello, I do not see how my edits to Mainland China are unconstructive. The United Kingdom of China and Taiwan (talk) 21:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

You inserted the following with zero citation “Mainland China has developed greatly over the last few decades, such that it has attained the developed status, similar to the vassal states of China (Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau), Japan, and the West." [5]. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok.The United Kingdom of China and Taiwan (talk) 21:12, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I have added an official source for Belarus' 54 countries in Xinjiang re-education camps

I went to Papersmart (http://papersmart.un.org) which redirects to http://papersmart.unmeetings.org. There I went to https://papersmart.unmeetings.org/ga/third/74th-session/statements/, I chose Belarus as a speaker and the second item's "download" button linked to http://statements.unmeetings.org/media2/23328878/belarus-joint-statement-cerd-chair-oct-29.pdf with the list of 54 countries. So I have added back the CNSnews source that you removed in https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xinjiang_re-education_camps&diff=932847706&oldid=932846017 It looks like CNSnews, unlike The Diplomat and CNN, managed to find the list of 54 countries. Guilombre (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

There is consensus that CNSnews is generally unreliable [6], it shouldn’t be used for statements of fact. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 23:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Noted. Have a good day ! Guilombre (talk) 23:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

ANI-notice 15 May 2020

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic User:Horse Eye Jack (misuse of Uw-nor4). --194.207.146.167 (talk) 21:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Important Notice

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You have shown interest in Falun Gong. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.

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Doug Weller talk 13:15, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Supreme People's Court

It is not wise to edit war while I am in the midst of discussing the dispute with the other editor. El_C 01:21, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I added a citation needed tag to the original text as well, is that ok? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 01:22, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that is better — thank you. El_C 01:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

In the future should I just add the citation needed tag to the altered text rather than reverting before tagging? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 01:25, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

That really depends on the particular circumstances of the given case — you'll have to use your discretion. El_C 01:27, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Got it, thank you. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 01:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020

Hello, I'm Kautilya3. Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, but we try hard to make sure articles have a neutral point of view. Your recent edit to Annexation of Tibet by the People's Republic of China seemed less than neutral and has been removed. If you think this was a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Kautilya3 (talk) 01:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

What POV? The quotation marks there don’t mean doubt they mean thats what the banner says. This is not the sort of thing this template is made for. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 01:36, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Edit warning notices

Do not post inappropriate edit warning to my talk page. Springee (talk) 18:16, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

It was appropriate, you were edit warring at Office of Inspector General for the Department of Transportation‎. I also note that you’ve been warned by multiple other editors *today* for edit warring on other pages. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 18:17, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

As have you, Horse Eye Jack. By me. I don't understand why both of you choose to communicate through edit summaries rather than engage the (blank!) article talk page. This reflects poorly on both of you. El_C 18:19, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I’ve never had much success with Springee on talk pages, on the rare occasion you can nail them down they always escalates to noticeboards etc when they loses an argument which means you’re in for a weeks long slog over a not very important edit that wasn’t your edit in the first place. Reverts however they respond to, often immediately and with a response plus additional information in the edit summary. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 18:23, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

If there is misconduct which you deem worthy of documenting and submitting as a complaint, it should be presented to the proper noticeboard rather than mentioned in passing. El_C 18:25, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

I don’t believe I’m describing misconduct, rather frustrating conduct that remains within the letter of the law so to speak while being as obstinate and fabian as possible. Although I guess the whole edit warring thing would be less than kosher, how big a deal is edit warring short of 3rr? It seems like a very grey area. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 18:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@El C:. HEJ, I'm not sure your claim of "never had much luck" has much merit. We've had very few interactions so any claim that I'm unreasonable is perhaps based on one or two examples where we didn't agree? But perhaps you have an actual example vs just an empty accusation. Springee (talk) 18:34, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

It can be a big deal. As would mis/conduct which skirts the line, if it is indeed chronic in nature. It could be seen as gaming the system, if proven true. But, again, careful documentation would be necessary as would the proper venue, which this user talk page is not. El_C 18:36, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I agree that this is the wrong venue for this sort of discussion and I’m probably the wrong person to put together that sort of thing given my relatively limited contact with Springee. I’ve only felt the need to keep notes of misconduct with one user and Springee has never really done anything to me that would provide the necessary impetus to do that kind of work during leisure hours. I enjoy creating and working on niche articles, arguing on talk pages and noticeboards is more a necessary evil than something I really like doing. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 18:50, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

May 2020 AN/I

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)