User talk:Horse Eye Jack/Archives/2020/April

2019–20 coronavirus pandemic

Thanks for your contribution on 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic, particularly with raising objections to the use of RIA Novosti. I don't welcome the sockpuppet accusations nor the aggressive response of User talk:Mellk. FobTown (talk) 15:57, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

WP:TPG

You were asked, politely to not post, for any reason, on my talk page again. Then you not only were relentless in ignoring that, you overlooked Spencer's choice of the NESW option, and that the wording is continues vandalising or spamming. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 16:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

This is getting ridiculous, this is continuing two different arguments from two different places in one comment. We’re both wasting too much time on this. You want to make a deal? I’l never post on your talk page again if you never post here. How does that sound to you? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Only if you withdraw this present complaint, making much ado over what is simple anti-vandalism patroling. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:04, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I mean you did violate WP:PA even if in a small way, I agreed with the edit itself and if you look you’l note that I also reverted Thriw [1]. Do I now have to go in and re-do a big edit? Sure, but I still think that your edit was a good one. If the edit summary had been “Last clean; unconstructive editing by Thriw” there would be no problem here. If I put the message across that I was criticizing your edit itself I’m sorry, that was not my intention and it was a good edit, period. You do a lot of good work and I don’t think there would be any unsolvable conflict between us if you made the exact same main space edits but toned down the talk page and edit summary language. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

So now conceding that this and this are false equivalences, then? CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:17, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by false equivalences, to each other or to something else? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:22, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

You made the falsehood You blocked them for PA in edit summaries and they’ve done it again right after their block ran out at Boing!'s talk, thus equating a description of someone's edits (why they are unconstructive despite not being outright vandalism, and not merely stating they are unconstructive) with a description of their inherent nature. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:29, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Even if you believe it to be a "a description of their inherent nature” its still not allowed. That other guy could actually have 100% IRL been a Banderist fascist etc and their edits expressed those views but you still couldn't say it on Wikipedia. We aren’t allowed to use political leanings as a means of "dismissing or discrediting their views." Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't think you have the correct understanding. I reported the new user to WP:AI/V because the content of most of their edits was instilling a certain POV (and for example, I used inference to conclude that this edit linking to a DAB page fit that trend, not because the editor might have held that POV in real life; indeed my comment on AI/V was limited to a remark on their clear editing patterns. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 17:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I accept that I may have misinterpreted your argument and that I now believe that you meant the comment only as criticism of the user’s edits and not as a criticism of the user’s political views. Can we now bugger off of each other’s talk pages for perpetuity? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 17:59, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus in China

What made you miss this discussion where considerable issues about the lead have been raised including the lack of mention of underreporting and Chinese suppression of information? NavjotSR (talk) 15:12, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

I respect your bold edit and I agree that the lead needs a rewrite, but there is no consensus reached in the talk page section you just named. Thats why I started a lead re-write specific discussion at Talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in mainland China#Lead, lets try to follow the WP:BRD process. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 15:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Bolton Group

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April 2020

This is your only warning; if you remove or blank page contents or templates from Wikipedia again, as you did at 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic in mainland China, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 14:48, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Come on CaradhrasAiguo, provide even a single diff on me doing that... You wouldn’t even provide a diff last time, perhaps you’re feeling a bit braver this time around? Remember that WP:ASPERSIONS applies in spades here. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 14:50, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

This is only an appeal to add the WaPo just for the sake of having two sources (which there is no policy justification for). You removed the important 2019Q4 cremations context, wholly absent from the WaPo, without any direct justification. Stop playing pretend. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 16:07, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah thats not how it works... If what I did counts as "remove or blank page contents or templates” then what you did on the previous edit (the one I reverted) does as well, "use same source” doesn’t explain removing text either directly or indirectly. This is completely the wrong warning template to use here and you’ve already been put on notice about using talk page templates for intimidation purposes. Please be advised that phrases such as "Stop playing pretend.” are outside the bounds of WP:CIVILITY. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 16:13, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I see how it is, no justification for contravening WP:OVERCITE, instead going straight to warning templates and how I am phrasing myself. You have been warned to not revert for the sake of it, too, it appears we have a demonstration of WP:IDHT here. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 16:24, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Got it, thats not a contravention of WP:OVERCITE btw... Overcite is when you have like six+ sources and its a mix or reliable and moderately reliable, not two reliable sources, the overcite page goes into detail about what is over citation and what is no, would you be good enough to make a specific policy based argument from the content of WP:OVERCITE rather than a vague invocation of the whole thing? Ps I take your continued posting on my talk page as a retraction of your request that I stay off your talk page and consent for me to post there. Let me know if that is mistaken and you would like to freely post here but want me to stay off your talk page. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 16:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

My assessment is that, between the two, the only substantive fact that WaPo cites that is not present in Bloomberg, is the 19-hour opening time. The Bloomberg citation of the total cremations in Wuhan in all of 2019 makes it provide necessary context that the WaPo piece, which reeks more of politicking, lacks. CaradhrasAiguo (leave language) 21:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good, I respect your opinion even if I do not share it. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 21:05, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Critical and Final Warning

You have a history of the following actions:

• Unsubstantiated Accusations WP:PA
• Not WP:AGF or issuing downright inappropriate warnings, particularly in the area of WP:BITE
• Edit warring
• Removing sources
• Vandalism
• Non-collegial actions and behaviors WP:NOTHERE
• Personal attacks

Continuing these actions may lead to a block.

Here's a timeline of these: DD/MM/YYYY (days elapsed since last warning/days elapsed since last warning regarding particular area of concern)
Dec 2019 (N-A): Not WP:AGF/issuing inappropriate and uncalled-for warnings
15 Jan 2020 (30/N-A): Vandalism
25 Jan 2020 (10/N-A): Not WP:AGF/issuing inappropriate and uncalled-for warnings
26 Jan 2020 (1/N-A): Edit warring
4 Feb 2020 (9/19): Vandalism/Blanking sources
5 Feb 2020 (1/10): AIV: Edit warring
10 Feb 2020 (5/15): Personal attacks/Not WP:AGF/issuing inappropriate and uncalled-for warnings
20 Feb 2020 (10/16): Vandalism
1 Mar 2020 (9/24): Edit warring/Reverting appropriate edits
2 Mar 2020 (1/20): Non-collegial actions/Personal attacks WP:NOTHERE
13 Mar 2020 (11/21): Not WP:AGF/issuing inappropriate and uncalled-for warnings
15 Mar 2020 (2/N-A): Failing to abide by WP:NPOV
18 Mar 2020 (3/5): Not WP:AGF/issuing inappropriate and uncalled-for warnings/NPOL v. GNG
2 Apr 2020 (15/15): Personal attacks/Not WP:AGF/issuing inappropriate and uncalled-for warnings/Unsubstantiated accusations
2 Apr 2020 (0/N-A): WP:TPG
16 Apr 2020 (14/46): Edit warring
17 Apr 2020 (1/15): Not WP:AGF/issuing inappropriate and uncalled-for warnings
20 Apr 2020 (3/3): Warning someone for "general discussion on a topic" when they were discussing moving said page

Unsubstantiated Accusations (1 instance)

• 2 Apr 2020

Not WP:AGF or issuing downright inappropriate warnings, particularly in the area of WP:BITE (7 instances)

• Dec 2019
• 25 Jan 2020
• 10 Feb 2020
• 13 Mar 2020
• 18 Mar 2020
• 17 Apr 2020
• 20 Apr 2020

Edit warring (4 instances)

• 26 Jan 2020
• 5 Feb 2020
• 1 Mar 2020
• 16 Apr 2020

Removing sources/Vandalism (3 instances)

• 15 Jan 2020
• 4 Feb 2020
• 20 Feb 2020

Non-collegial actions and behaviors WP:NOTHERE (1 instance)

• 2 Mar 2020

Personal attacks (3 instances [numerous others not included due to deviations from official meaning])

• 10 Feb 2020
• 2 Mar 2020
• 2 Apr 2020

In general, you've been repeating the same action two weeks after each successive warning, and violating Wikipedia policies anywhere from multiple times a day to once a week. The longest you've gone without a warning of some type was 30 days.

This is your last warning. Please change your behavior. If you are going to challenge this warning, please bring your evidence and reasoning with you. Talk is cheap. Augend (talk) 07:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Jesus christ just take me to a noticeboard already... Well besides the edit warring noticeboard [2] where your claim was dismissed. Also just fyi your post here violates a whole host of policies and guidelines like WP:ASPERSIONS, WP:NPA, and WP:AGF. This is absolutely ridiculous, and your canvassing of CA [3] is less than appropriate. In the future please try to contribute to wikipedia constructively rather than bullying those whose views are different from yours. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 15:41, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Also holy shit can not emphasize this enough, use WP:diffs... I don’t even know what you’re referring to for most of those. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 15:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

There is evidence and it's fully backed up with warnings on your talkpage so it's not WP:NPA, I don't even know where you're coming from with WP:ASPERSIONS - that's completely irrelevant and we've assumed good faith 18 times through 18 warnings, surely if you didn't take the first ten warnings you would have taken the next eight. Augend (talk) 18:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Please read the definition of "canvassing"; I merely reached out to see if my representation of your egregious behavior on Wikipedia so not WP:ASPERSIONS lmao were accurate. These entries are a rolling collection of your warnings that you never adequately addressed, instead choosing to attack the person issuing the warning WP:NPA-style. Since you asked for it, I'm going to take this to ANI. Thanks. Augend (talk) 18:30, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

So its a summary of my talk page? If thats what you’re doing you should check out the archives in the upper right corner of this page. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 19:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey @C.Fred:, you were pretty good at defusing this editor on their talk page. Any suggestion here? Horse Eye Jack (talk) 19:11, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

[He's taken you to WP:ANI

Doug Weller talk 19:19, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Just great. Thanks for letting me know. Horse Eye Jack (talk) 19:25, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Horse Eye Jack

Thank you for creating Peter Tsai.

User:Blythwood, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

It's probably a good idea to put his Chinese name at the start as well so people can search for it, in the manner of say William Wang.

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Blythwood (talk) 02:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Horse Eye Jack

Thank you for creating Taiwanese whisky.

User:Blythwood, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Interesting topic! A relative's a fan so I'm aware this a good topic to have an article on. I've created a Wikimedia Commons category and linked to it.

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Blythwood (talk) 02:31, 24 April 2020 (UTC)