User talk:Holmes.sherlock/Archive 1

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I'm not an admin. I have the same rights and powers as you. You aren't being granted adminship because adminship is granted to editors who have been editing for a very long time, with thousands of edits. You don't have the experience for it. You're being asked not to adopt because you don't have any experience, and you're lieing saying you've had 4 months. this answered pretty muc everything in your help me. I don't know what else you want. DurinsBane87 05:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Adoption

That's great! Can I ask what areas of Wikipedia were are interested in working with? Then we can take it from there. Just responding from your helpme on your talk page, I realise that these issues have not been explained very well- sorry. About adopting, for now I think it's a good idea that you have some mentorship first, as even though you have amassed a number of edits in a short time ([1]) in the end it just comes down to experience. You will be much more suited as an adopter when you've been working on different aspects of the project for a few months. As for adminship, normally people wait for a number of months before going through this process. I recommend that you slow a bit, and just gain some experience in all different areas of Wikipedia, hopefully through our adoption. This will also earn you a lot of trust and respect with other editors, which is looked favourably on in a Request For Adminship. So yes, please get back to me- just tell me what you're interested in doing on Wikipedia, and we can take it from there. I really hope this response helped you, and if you have any other questions, by all means, ask me. Cheers- CattleGirl ^talk 08:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Can't you afford so many adoptee? Holmes.sherlock 04:08, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean can? I do have a lot of adoptees, but many are not active, or only ask a question once in a while, so I have plenty of time on my hands.

Have you thought more about what you'd like to work on on Wikipedia? There's plenty to do- you could work on building or improving articles that you are interested in, and join Wikiprojects of topics that you are also interested in. Or, maybe you'd like to do some more behind-the-scenes work, like have a look at deletion debates or backlogs. It's up to you :) CattleGirl ^talk 07:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply, can you train me to be an admin, tell me the basic skills to be one, my wish is to be an admin and to help wikipedia and be aa nice editor. Please train me to be one, please! Well, if not, I will choice another to be trianed. Anyway, I don't really understand why editors can 'adopt users, and why users need adoption, no need to reply on your talk page, just reply on 'my' talk page, thanks, I may give you a barnstar later, because you are so nice and kind to me, thanks! Cheers, Holmes.sherlock 13:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello again :)

Definitely, I can show you the ins and outs of becoming an admin, but before you can have a hope of passing an RFA, you really need to know the ins and outs of editing. I suggest for a maximum chance of passing an RFA, you choose something to work on, and then do it. For instance, take me as an example. Whereas I am an administrator, this means I edit as per usual, however I have a few more tools to do the job- if you have a look at my contributions, you'll see that they're almost identical as they used to be, however now I have logs as well with tasks that I need administrator tools to do the job quicker. Adminship really isn't a big deal, but you do need trust within the community that you will use the tools in the best way possible- and the only way to gain such trust is to do a lot of work in the community.

If you're so interested in being an administrator, I suggest you familiarise yourself with the behind-the-scenes things on the wiki first. For instance, administrators close deletion debates at WP:AFD- so it's a good idea to read up on the deletion policy, and state your opinion on the discussions over there, as this shows that you're familiar with our deletion policies.

Another good thing you can do is, as administrators can also block users, is to become involved in the vandalism side of things. Because Wikipedia is so popular, many come along and add anything, and some of this, especially the nasty things added, needs to be reverted. If a user has all four levels of warnings (you can read more about warnings at WP:VANDALISM), then they are eligible to be put up on WP:AIV for an administrator to review the contributions and decide whether they warrant a block.

However, at the moment the most important thing to do is to get involved in the encyclopedia. You can do all of the things I've mentioned above, but remember that Wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, and everyone's main concern is to make sure it stays as reliable as possible, and expand it as much as possible. There's some Requests for Adminships that have not passed because the community is concerned about their lack of activity in the article mainspace.

As for adoption, I think it's a really good idea, as it means that a more experienced editor can help you along, and help you learn the ropes, as I am doing. So you have someone to respond to your questions.

I hope that helped, it was quite a long reply! As always, if you need any help, you know where to ask- CattleGirl ^talk 03:50, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Your questions :)

Hi, my talk page is getting more message and more, it is now 33 kilobytes long! Can I delet some of my messages? How can I know users in wikipedia? Or if I saw something they did wrong or they vandalize wikipedia, what can I do? I just warn them on their talk page, no, but I am not an administrator, so,what can I do to stop users vandalizing wikipedia , but not blocking them? As I am not an administrator. So, thanks for your long reply on my talk page, you are so kind to me, which barnstar should I give you for your kindness? Thanks a lot, Cheers, Holmes.sherlock 04:13, 26 August 2007 (UTC) Again, no need to reply on your talk page, just reply on mine, thanks

Hey,

Wow, thanks for the barnstar! I appreciate it :).

For your talkpage, what I do, which I'd recommend, is to archive your talk page. Pretty easily done- for instance, just copy and paste your current talk page to User talk:Holmes.sherlock/Archive 1 and save, and delete the messages you just copied and pasted over on your current talk page (Remember, it won't come up with a bar that says you have new messages when someone edits that page, you'd have to add it to your watchlist).

If you want to get to know users on Wikipedia, the best and probably only way to do that is to edit! You'll bump into plenty of people on the way.

Vandalism... you can easily help, definitely, and no, you're right, you don't have to be an administrator. What you do is when you see users vandalising a page, you revert their edits. This is done by saving the page on the version before they last edited. For instance, if you click on the history tab at the top of your talk page, you'll see a link in the form of a time and date next to the username of the user who made the edit. If you wanted to revert an edit, you'd click on the time and date link before that edit, and it will take you to a page with a pink bar at the top saying that it is a previous version on the page. Then click on "Edit this page", and save the page.

I know it sounds complicated, but you get quicker at it :).

Once you've reverted the edit, it's a good idea to warn the user in the hope that they won't do it again- and we have plenty of tailored warnings at WP:WARN. It's up to you to choose the one that fits the situation most, and once you've chosen, choose the level- they range from level 1 to level 4, or level 4a. The level 4s are the most severe, so you should start with a level 1 or 2, or you should give them a warning that's the next level up from the person who warned before you, if any.

If they've had a final warning (Level 4) and they vandalise AGAIN, then you can report them to WP:AIV, where an admin will look over their contributions and most likely block them.

Now that was a lot of text for a very simple thing! Sorry about that, but I hope I covered everything :)

Oh, and I might as well reply here as well, as then people can see both sides of the conversation if they look at my talk page, rather than just your reply- it makes it easier to read.

And once again, thanks for the barnstar! Cheers- CattleGirl ^talk 08:52, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk page archives

A long reply again, CattleGirl! As for the barnstar, no thanks, you deserve 10 barnstars or more! I saw users talk page, and they also have a few achieves, but there is a picture in their achieves, like a mailbox, can I have it also? Also, what's your age, and do you have lots of time at home using wikipedia? It's my summer holiday now, so I always use the computer, but after it, I might be busy, ♥, are you quite busy in real life? Thanks, Holmes.sherlock 13:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello again :)

As for a picture in your archive- you can put templates such as '''{{Template:Talkarchive}}''' at the top and bottom of the page, which looks like this. Or you could also mean '''{{archive box}}''', however you need to put a link for your parameter, like: '''{{Archive box|[[/Archive 1]]}}'''. That looks like this.

I'd prefer not to say my age- online security and all! I'm quite busy, but before I start work on the computer, or music practise, I always go on Wikipedia for a bit. And as for whether I am busy in real life... always! :)

Hey I thought of a tip for you- when you edit, a good thing to do is to fill in an edit summary- that box at the bottom of the window just above the save page button. This means that others can see what changes you just made by the description you put in that box.

You can also go to 'My Preferences', at the top of the page, and click on the Editing tab, and check "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary", so you never enter a black one.

Just a tip :). Talk to you soon, CattleGirl ^talk 07:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)