User talk:Hesperian/Archive 48

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A couple of new stub articles

I've created new stub articles (translated from French) and updated the few redirects and DABs there were to William Hooker (now at William Hooker (botanical artist) and James Forbes (now at James Forbes (botanist). You have a reference to W. Hook at User:Hesperian/Notes/Botanists which can now be marked as done, I imagine. Si Trew (talk) 11:27, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of Pinjarra#Survey

When searching web content external to Wikipedia for only the past year, one finds that currently the most common term is "Pinjarra Massacre" so it's actually eclipsed the term, "Battle of Pinjarra", which is on its way to becoming an archaism; despite Wikipedia having exerted pressure contrary to the rest of the world's "reliable sources" (cf. the links below).

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&lr=&tbs=qdr:y&q=%22Pinjarra+Massacre%22-Wikipedia&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&gs_upl=6125,240,13,4,180,454,2:8,0,1

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&lr=&tbs=qdr:y&q=%22Battle+of+Pinjarra%22-Wikipedia&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&gs_upl=9453,1532,15,2,177,273,2:11

Warmest Regards, :)—_thecurran Speak your mind ^{my past} 14:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Um, you already said that on the talk page; why say it here too? Hesperian 23:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank U for your patience; sometimes OCD distorts my weltanschauung. I supposed, incorrectly, that U had not returned to view updates on the page because U had not responded there in nearly a week. I was also confused that the discussion was not closed seven days from the original proposal. Please feel free to remove this entire section from your talk page. Warmest Regards, :)—_thecurran Speak your mind ^{my past} 03:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow

wheredidjagetem from? SatuSuro 12:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Heh, I thought I'd be hearing from you about that! I inherited my dad's collection. It's a bit kitsch; posting a photo here is about the non-cringe-worthy use I can find for them. Hesperian 12:48, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

There's more of it, by the way. I weeded out duplicates, stuff in poor condition, and stuff without a prominent logo. And after I took the photo I found a WAPEX first day cover of the commemorative stamp; I wish I'd included that. Hesperian 12:52, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I reckon you should put photos of specific items up - pretty sure the dags who created that stuff didnt identify anything to do with provenance/makers/publishers - so surely that couldnt allow them to claim copyright of the images of the items - brilliant stuff!!! SatuSuro 12:56, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Wow I have, Cas has and you have the bottom left hand book in the book photo - the Way 79 who was who - unbelievably un-notable people somehow got in there - well worth a lunch and laugh over some of it SatuSuro 13:03, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Dyk question

I'm no expert in botany, but the pictures for Abelmoschus ficulneus caught my eye and I wrote the article up. As it turns out the total lenght is in the range for DYK, but as I'm not an experienced in the area I thought I'd consult you first (as in I went through the WP:PLANT memberslist). Does it, er, look good? ResMar 03:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure, it's okay. I can tell it wasn't written by a botanist; e.g. a botanist would consider the number of petals much more interesting than their colour. But it is a good solid start and worthy of a shot at DYK. Hesperian 03:45, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Ok thanks, that's reassuring. I have 6 hooks currently on nom (effin backlog), and if they all pass this one is going to be #25 :) ResMar 20:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Theory of Portuguese...

Nice work tidying the links in this article up, which I have just noticed. I feel it probably needs a fresh edit down some day, some of it is a bit clunky. Cheers Nickm57 (talk) 11:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Ta, Yeah, the information content is excellent, but the prose could do with a polish. Have you ever thought of pushing it to featured article status? Hesperian 12:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

No, I hadn't. Im not really sure what's involved to be honest! Nickm57 (talk) 23:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Biota naturalised in Australia

Category:Biota naturalised in Australia, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 09:21, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Lucky Bay

Click on the coordinates from teh article and open GoogleNaps. In the sandhills above the most northerly arc of the bay you can see a skull. Cool. –Moondyne 14:16, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Speaking of lucky or unlucky, I hope it won't go bad cos it's the thirteenth....I got the two books to source Burma Road Nature Reserve on interlibrary loan and they arrived really quickly :))) Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:50, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:AT

Hi, when you disagree with one part of an edit, please have the courtesy to not just hit "undo", and instead just restore the bit you want. On a very large complicated edit it may be excusable, but you can change one word easily enough. Best, Knepflerle (talk) 10:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

please see Wikipedia_talk:Article_titles#Kernel -- PBS (talk) 23:44, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Banksia telmatiaea

Oh this was fun

• March 2007 -- was the fire

May 2007

September 2007

These are in the article, anyway I went back there today and took a series of photographs to get this little panorama its been down sampled from the .jpg file which weighs in at just over 44megs. The thing is what can you guys (Hesp, Cas & Melb) do with it I happy to retweek the pano if its of use here but thought I'd get your thoughts first

August 2010

There bug with rendering new thumbnails so you'll need to look at it in full size id it hasnt rendered here yet Gnangarra 15:09, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Arrgh, that froze my screen (????) :( Another go...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:26, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it might be good to chop out a segment with, say, two or three plants in it would be better - I wonder if the whole panorama as is is too busy - I think these timed regeneration shots are great to put in the article, we just need to figure out how...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:54, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Nice work, photo sequences are a good way to show processes. Basically agree with Cas, it would need to be trimmed down for the article to match the other photos and to be legible as a thumbnail.Melburnian (talk) 01:04, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

I went with the bigger panorama to show fuller the extent of the regrowth, I'll post a cropped version that focuses on a B.telmatiaea regrowth. Gnangarra 10:10, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

An awesome idea, and very challenging. The biggest problem is, once you've shot the pre- photo, you're more or less constrained in what you can do with the post- photo. You have to hope that the post- will turn out reasonably photogenic, because you can't go back in time and choose a different subject or composure for the pre-. Here, I reckon those show-off Verticordia (?) in the foreground have stolen the show from the modest B. telmatiaea, which seem happy to crowd anonymously together in the background. How could you possibly hope to predict that three years ago when the area was burnt and bare?!

Let me know if you ever figure out how to take a really good thicket photo, because I'm damned if I can figure out how to do it.

Hesperian 11:26, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

• Thicket is about perspective, depending on the structure a verticle ground up may work as would canapy[sp] down, the alternative is to find a ground structure to offer a feature. What every perspective use a wide angle lens in the range of 16-24mm also weather, mist fog smoke time of day something that adds sun rays to show density. Gnangarra 12:15, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Cool. Most of my shots of thickets just look indistinguishable :( Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:29, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Category:Native crops by country

Hey there, I'm wondering if you might have any idea what happened to all of the articles from Category:Native crops by country. There is not a single article to be found in any of its 15 sub-cats. (Please reply at my talk page. Thanks.) Cgingold (talk) 09:01, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Banksia verticillata

Hehehe, I love interlibrary loans. Got the Coates article for Banksia verticillata...so bombs away (almost) :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

PS: Listed you here too as you did heaps of work on this. Bombs away...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:43, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Cas. I keep meaning to print that article but not getting around to it: busy in real life. I appreciate you passing it to me and will get to it. And keep on poking me here too. I'll be back eventually. :-) Hesperian 23:52, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

El Lago Del Bosque

Hey not to sure if I'm supposed to put this here, but a while back you deleted an article for El Lago Del Bosque, one of Concordia Language Villages camps, and I was wondering if I could see the deleted article? The FAQs said sometimes the admins do that....anyway thanks.--ShinigamiCooper (talk) 03:40, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow that was way back in May 2006! The full content was

== External link ==
[http://www.concordialanguagevillages.org/spanish Concordia Language Villages Spanish program site]

[[:Category:Summer camps]]
[[:Category:Language education]]
[[:Category:Concordia Language Villages]]

Hesperian 03:49, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Abraham Jennison

The article Abraham Jennison has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

So this person has written one surviving letter, which is used as an example / source in one book. How does this meet WP:BIO?

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Moondyne

Ta for that - figured I shouldnt be fiddling with it! - cheers SatuSuro 12:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Help! Please

Trying to add the 1897 image for the Houtman Rocks - and I seem to have got stuck ( i will try a few times more - but if I dont get it right - a replacement to a better position by your eminence would be appreciated - SatuSuro 23:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

"Your eminence"? Sounds like a cardinal error.

Looks good.

Hesperian 03:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Plant orders on green algae articles

I removed some plant orders you added to various algae articles (by various, meaning green algae sens lato). I think that the green algae orders can be added as a subcategory to the plant orders, if you like. For now, I intend to make the green algae group orders subcats of algae orders. Of course, "algae" is somewhat nonsensical, so it would make better sense to have the overall cats as subcats of plant orders, but I don't have much consensus for categorizing green algae, red algae, and plants as a clade. If you think what I am doing needs more community consensus, feel free to post at the talk page for Wikipedia:WikiProject Algae. --Kleopatra (talk) 22:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Nah, bugger pointless consensus-seeking; you go right ahead and do what you think best. I'm sure if removing those plant order categories turns out not to be the best idea, sooner or later you'll figure that out for yourself and restore them. Good luck; algae taxonomy is not for the faint-hearted. :-) Hesperian 01:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. No, it's not easy! Even I get lost in it, and I've spent time working with many of the groups. But, already I've thoroughly ticked someone off for suggesting internal consistency! The horrors! --Kleopatra (talk) 08:31, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Atlas of Living Australia

In case you weren't aware: http://www.ala.org.au/ --Curtis Clark (talk) 13:31, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I know! I was most impressed to learn they had joined the Biodiversity Heritage Library! Looking forward to seeing some Australian titles rolling off the scanner. :-) Hesperian 23:27, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Officerbox begin

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B. marginata

Hi. I don't know if you remember User_talk:Noodle_snacks/Archive2#B..C2.A0marginata, but I did go back periodically, but no follicles ever appeared unfortunately. I guess it'd be best to try and get one from a different tree some time. Noodle snacks (talk) 22:37, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah. that's a shame. Hesperian 23:33, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Adenanthos

Hi, it was nice to see this on my watchlist this morning. Melburnian (talk) 23:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. I was glad to discover that I haven't completely lost the joy of really getting my teeth into a topic. Will it last? I don't know. I hope so. I've missed you guys. Hesperian 23:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Riedelia for deletion

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Template:Australian Heritage Database

Hi there. I must admit to stupidity. As I was intending to use the Australian Heritage Database heavily in some project, so I created {{cite AHD}} without checking if it exists first. I then went ahead and implemented it in about 200 articles, before stumbling on your template. The templates are virtually the same, the main differences being that I allowed for not entering the title and I use nameless variables. I see very little reason to have both templates. What would you suggest we do? Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 00:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I reckon the simplest thing to do is to change the five uses of my version over to use your version, then redirect mine to yours. Hesperian 04:01, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad you see it that way.  Done --Muhandes (talk) 06:49, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Ta

probably engulfed by blind antartic tagging - but hope to get back to the forests soon :| SatuSuro 01:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Adenanthos dobagii

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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Bot blocked. It is not acceptable for a bot this useless to be going around accusing people of making copyright violations. Hesperian 13:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

That is the most ridiculous copyvio "detection" I have ever seen. Melburnian (talk) 23:53, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

The way the place is going i suspect SatuSuro 23:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Dumbot Dumbot Dumbot Dumbot Dumbot Dumbot. –Moondyne 00:24, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Dont give em the ideas - that might be a new app or user name :( SatuSuro 05:00, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

This might appear 'incivil' mate, you didn't try to discuss this with CSBot; the template reply might have been, "I would suggest rewording the content to avoid this in future." cygnis insignis 06:40, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Heh. Bots don't have feelings. Blocking is a first resort. Hesperian 06:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Adenanthos redux

Now I recall us having a discussion some time previously about buffing one up for GA/FA...you feel inclined to work on one? Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:36, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I think obovatus is a frontrunner...Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:13, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

No preference from me; obovatus is a good choice. I think for now I'll stick to article creation—I just got my hands on George (1972) "Five new species of Adenanthos..."—plenty still to do there. But obviously whatever you start buffing up will be coming up on my watchlist, and I expect I'll get involved; certainly more so than the last couple of Banksia FACs, which pretty much completely passed me by. Hesperian 23:47, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

That last paper has some good stuff on obovatus, with some leads to other papers, so I think that is a goer. Been a bit stagnated myself too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

"That last paper"? You mean 'consistent individuality'? I've posted a few more leads on the talk page. I agree it's a goer. Hesperian 00:34, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I just noticed that someone has put Adenanthos eyrei up for DYK. Must remember to write a decent lead section tonight....

Actually I am enyoing editing more as reading all this stuff about furry critter pollinators...am seeing if I can do a mega-expand on attenuata to 2055 words. Basically trawling thru ecology and adding to A. cuneatus and obovatus, as well as attenuata and possibly coccinea - starting to gell that the first three of those anyway are slowly coalascing towards GAN once have trawled thru a few more papers. And would be good to get Adenanthos genus as well... Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:53, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm enjoying it too. Yeah, I've been fiddling with the genus article a bit in the last few days. Interested in tackling the morphology properly.... Hesperian 02:56, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention all the cool taxonomy. Hope to add that soon. :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:14, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

And the biogeography seems a bit mysterious too; most closely related to a bunch of South African genera; speculation about vicarious dispersals etc rather than boring old Gondwanan split. Hesperian 11:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Adenanthos oreophilus

Materialscientist (talk) 06:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Adenanthos eyrei

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: ref order

Sorry about that... Reference order is a gray area - obviously hardly a big deal, but GA and FA reviewers sometimes ask it to be "fixed". I also tend to prefer the situation in which numerical markers are in ascending order, but there was no major reason to change it, so I've reverted. GregorB (talk) 12:22, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Pungent spines

Hi Hesperian, I don't think that "pungent" has a current English meaning of sharp as in spines, but only sharp as in taste or smell or criticism. What was your source for the change to Leaf? Nadiatalent (talk) 13:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I didn't really have a source, it was more a matter of common knowledge. But if you want a source, try http://florabase.calm.wa.gov.au/help/glossary#P. Hesperian 13:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I see that Stearn's Botanical Latin, fourth edition, has it too, as a translation of "pungens". Nadiatalent (talk) 13:01, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Chapter 41: In which Pooh Bear and Piglet go for a walk in the 100-acre woods and become dismayed by the dieback...and attacked by banksia men....

Weird - UNSW gets lots of CSIRO journals but not Australian Wildlfe Research...can you get a copy of this one?

SELECTIVE PREDATION BY WHITE-TAILED BLACK COCKATOOS ON FRUIT OF BANKSIA-ATTENUATA CONTAINING THE SEED-EATING WEEVIL ALPHITOPIS-NIVEA Author(s): SCOTT JK, BLACK R Source: AUSTRALIAN WILDLIFE RESEARCH Volume: 8 Issue: 2 Pages: 421-430 Published: 1981

PS: I got so interested in the honye possum stuff that attenuata is a goer. If you want to have a squiz before (during) I sling it up at GAN, much appreciated. Am also dumping pollinator/vector stuff in other articles as I go, I figure then we can buff a whole slew of them :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:36, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Yep, I can get that one. Sent. :-) Hesperian 03:44, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Cool. Sasata just got me the other 2010 one I listed at WT:TOL and I can use it for Banksia ilicifolia and A cuneatus too. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:49, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Gawd a section header n conversation like that must come from a damned government office with AC - it aint anywhere near reality - mind you the temps in the banksia on the sandflat must be up in the 50's by now SatuSuro 06:56, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

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