User talk:Hesperian/Archive 25

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Vandalism

Can I request permission to edit WP:AIV as part of my Recent Changes Patrol 'duties'? It gets a pain when there's an obvious vandal and I can't report it. By the way, I am sending this to all the others, too, just in case you're not around. Auroranorth 12:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Battye

Gmail on this issue now SatuSuro 01:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Cadoux

Thanks for that for the like of me couldnt see how it was cut off like that SatuSuro 03:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Abbreviated plant species

I remember that discussion, but my edit did not actually add the abbreviations, they were already there (although I did fail to convert them). Circeus 04:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

hairpin banksia

I'm probably going to run this one thru FAC some stage soonish (I had intended to work it up and do it at the same time as B ericifolia but didn't 'feel right' at the time. Have left it for a bit and it looks in not bad nic at all really..(obviously not ready quite yet but not hugely far off neither....)....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

gmail

commons problem SatuSuro 12:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC) will try some other time cheers SatuSuro 12:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Bauer

The collection news is interesting, I've been reading how illustrations were used as well. On that subject: I'm interested alright, are you proposing to liberate the work? There is very little of their art around. On the subject of specimens yadda yadda, the articles need enhancing and reconciling IMhO, I tagged one today - WP:TOL? Cygnis insignis 13:15, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Pardon me, doing it now. It is fantasic - how did I miss it?! Cygnis insignis 05:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I can give you half a dozen links like that :( A couple of snaps here and there, the golden bauer is jealously guarded ya know. I am keeping an eye on the art sellers. Cygnis insignis 06:46, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Bad news

They both need turning, and I forgot the category thingo - that is the two new sesslis photos in commons - I think i need some off wiki harranguing to get my commons uploading into a better state of chaos. cheers. SatuSuro 01:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

She'll be right, I'll sort it out when I've got a sec. Hesperian 01:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that - the added intro text for sesselis is put with the hope that i can find refs - feel free to kick it out if it spoils a good into SatuSuro 07:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I just trawled some eucs - and found paucity of things that chippendale (my favourite cheapest botany book from the agps very long ago) has and which are not on the arts - so what with backlog gastro - euc stuff - i think ill avoid monty python tonight (more on gmail sometime about that) cheers - i might even try to find genuine refs for the sessilis behaviour on the scarp! SatuSuro 11:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

gmail on that SatuSuro 11:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

very impressed - it is what happens up here all the time - wow! SatuSuro 12:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Misery (Australian band)

Good to see people fighting against the "australiacruft" deletionists...speaking of this AfD, check out the reasoning for it. The guy's pissed off about this AfD, and has even gone on to blog about it. I love this job :)  — Dihydrogen Monoxide (H₂O) 09:02, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Activity

You seem to be remotely active (well more so that the others on here anyway), im just after a few comments regarding my 3 requests on Moon's talk page (bottom). Many Thanks. Twenty Years 11:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Can you have a look at my cresty, ill basically use this as a template for all other fair use images. Twenty Years 12:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Kings Park

Went to the wildflower festival thisarvo and saw lots of lovely banksias and kangaroo paws. All very nice. —Moondyne 13:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Should Kangaroo paw be merged (and redirected) into Anigozanthos? Catspaw (plant) is a redirect there. —Moondyne 13:20, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

um butting in again, not all Kangaroo paws(plants) are part of the genus Anigozanthos one is Macropidia fuliginosa even though it this detail get mentioned early in the anigozanthus article Gnangarra 13:51, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification. —Moondyne 14:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Interesting discussion

Thought you might have an opinion on this policy discussion, an interesting one, not sure that I actually agree with the proposal. Orderinchaos 12:35, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Your involvement?

Hi there,

Why are you interfering with my desire to contact some wikipedians in my home town who have expressed a desire to network and communicate with others? It seems pretty strange and I'm not sure why you're doing this?

As I have already pointed out, it's not spam and nor is it unsolicited, my communication direct to them (and not you) doesn't seem to be a matter for your involvement?

Cheers, Paul Puttenhoe wiki 02:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

What is your problem?

What exactly is your problem? Power trip admin? I will contest any block, I have done nothing wrong, and will continue to seek out contact with local wikipedians. I feel sorry for you, it's pretty sad and your actions are going against the wikiquette. Tut tut tut Puttenhoe wiki —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 03:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Public terminals

Gawed what a weird universe we live in - unfamiliar computers and the dark side software - started the gastro addition at last - would appreciate an eagle eye over any obvious - still have a long way to go though - cheers SatuSuro 03:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC) Thanks for that - have taken note - will be adding more about the loss andrefinding saga later - cheers SatuSuro 05:11, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Fun and games on AfD - distraction #147

this got me started a bit just before I left....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Tasmania

Yeah when i have the time i'll let you know the possible variants names that might be necessary SatuSuro 08:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

In what I have heard/read so far - Gunns Pulp Mill is a far more appropriate, with 'aka and the various localities that various sources seem to have chosen to use SatuSuro 09:30, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

last minute tweaks to Banksia spinulosa

Ok, I think I'm just about to roll this one on down to FAC - lemme know if anything needs tweaking. I'm gonna ask Gnangarra for a map - musing on whether just having one colour and leaving subsp distrbutions for subpages as unlike Superb Fairy-wrens they ^%(#*#@ overlap....All input much appreciated cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:56, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I've addressed circeus' comments here at - Talk:Banksia spinulosa/Comment and waiting for a map so almost ready to roll..I'll look at sessilis in the meantime...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:36, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Sod it. Hate waiting. felt very pleased after finding some more sources so thought what the heck. Feel free to tweak anything you see outstanding (as in wrong not great) cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Will check

I know there is the poison plants lying around i was going to scan all his illustrations from that - what a relief i have been just getting road verge/ road shoulder terminology horribly confused - this will be comic relief - thanks for that! SatuSuro 12:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Bummer flowers of western australia photos by ogden 1929 (and later reprints), gardner pelloe n.d, and a dupe of the poison plants one - very sorry - not to hand - battye probably not till tuesday mid-day SatuSuro 12:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh well maybe i should upload the rest of the sesselis photos that I have and create havoc in commons again :( SatuSuro 13:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I might just have it back to the inner sanctum - half a mo SatuSuro 13:16, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Bingo - could we gmail about this? SatuSuro 13:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Roger dodger SatuSuro 13:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikimania 2009

A reminder that bids are due in soon. Are we going through with it? Auroranorth 14:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you ask at WP:WA whether there's interest in putting a bit together. Hesperian 23:47, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Remember, I cannot edit project namespace articles. Auroranorth 06:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

The project namespace is "Wikipedia:". "Wikipedia talk:" is the project talk namespace. I don't recall you being banned from editing there. Hesperian 07:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I was thinking about letting somebody know about this 'technicality', but I thought that would be a little 'cheeky'. Auroranorth 08:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, very wise of you. If you'd edited in WT space on those grounds, you probably would have been blocked for smart-arsery. But here I am telling you that I can't see any harm in you editing in WT. Hesperian 12:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, that's what I need if I want to make an exception to my conditions. Auroranorth 12:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Misery (band)

Have you looked at the article for the Australian band recently? You didn't add sources, Ziggy didn't add sources, I didn't add them, no one did. But we are protecting the article why again? So easy to destroy, and so hard to create.

If you want a reason for the AfD, how about to promote a better understanding between contributors - creators of information, and deletionist like Ziggy? But did that happen? Deleting the one article helps the encyclopedia as much as deleting the other.

See this link: http://www.punknews.org/review/4657 See your quote: "Verifiable by recourse to an independent third party source, which is considered reliable and reputable within the Australian heavy metal music subculture... That's all the notability guideline requires."

Are we going to be leaving a message for Ziggy too? Nanabozho 07:48, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Image

Hello Hesperian, nobody else is on (Miranda and Gnangarra are apparently experts in this field), so would you mind letting me know whether this picture is in the public domain? Thanks, Auroranorth 12:47, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, photos published in Australia before 1954 are in the public domain. Use {{PD-Australia}}. Hesperian 13:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Auroranorth 13:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

After that foray into the sanctum the other night

(I saw that change) - I have about 10 to 20 items with the name with close variants 'wildflowers of western australia' - probably will put it up as a (stub) before i go east next week SatuSuro 13:27, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Working on it later today - think i have most of it - and think i have found corrwect software at last to help me turn the sessilis after the bloom shots on commons too - will keep you posted on gmail - cheers SatuSuro 01:36, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I know i have have fairall dont bother about battye till i have done a cmplete check and i can do it anyway - and will give a summary by gmail cheers SatuSuro 02:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

If you saw my office you would never request things like that :( SatuSuro 05:47, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Scan of fairall on gmail in a few secs SatuSuro 06:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC) correct - gos to eremaea SatuSuro 06:43, 11 October 2007 (UTC) btw by random chance have the oz plants unexpectedly here - try me again on that? SatuSuro 06:44, 11 October 2007 (UTC) sending after 5 or so cheers SatuSuro 07:17, 11 October 2007 (UTC) cheers - please gmail any priority urgent request for others - have been distracted (as always) SatuSuro 13:06, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

From the list i would say gardner picked it up from oral sources during his travels- i dont know what c.a.g. 's bio pieces about him are like for showing how he was picking up on common names SatuSuro 13:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Seems likely. Can't see that though - it's OR. All I can say is something wishy-washy like "the name Parrot Bush was in use by Gardner as early as 1959", which is vague enough that it can't possibly be wrong even if I am. Hesperian 13:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Bauer

[expletive deleted] Other than that I am speechless! That he is described as unsurpassed, until Rosser's illustrations, is without doubt! You know I want all of them, but Alyogyne hakeifolia is one that jumps out. I see it was not published until 1863, it would be interesting to note that. I will have to check the background, but I think that pdf explains how and why. Cygnis insignis 07:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

If you are serious, it will be strike two. :) But let us say that it was the day he ate the local zamia, and his candle was low. If you are not, I assume you are punning on Tease! Cygnis insignis 07:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Study

Actually, I didn't know. Thanks for the link. :) --mav 21:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Mabo Article

I'm not ignoring you - I got two messages on my talk page at once and only thought I had got one. Yours was the first message so I overlooked it. That addition to the mabo page was only meant to be a test and not a permanent edit. I must have forgotten to take it back. I was keeping the template's contents in case there was an appropriate way to put it back in the future. JRG 03:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I was wrong to go trying to put it into an article at that stage - it could easily have been a WP:POINT disruption, considering that I strongly opposed the deletion of the template. I won't do that sort of thing again. JRG 03:33, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Bennett

Nah - I have unwritten stub bio of Bennetts, H.W. who co-wrote the toxic plants with gardner - wrong again :) SatuSuro 09:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Well done - on my imac there is a widget that is a latin translator - i dont know if the dark side has access to such items SatuSuro 12:17, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

i play the game and it has always been interpreted as steps and thats the way it is in all leagues at all different levels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunk a that (talk • contribs) 06:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

new words

Wonderful new word are you going to create articles on dryandrification and dryandrifiing 08:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Hey, thanks for the welcome. I'm planning to join the WA WikiProject once uni has finished - only a few more weeks to go, yay! Thought I shouldn't commit to stuff until then when I'll have more time. Somno 17:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

E. todtiana

Tks. —Moondyne 00:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Amazing. All this from my eye catching sight of an odd looking sign stuck on a fence as I went for my lunchtime walk yesterday. —Moondyne 01:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Dryandras

Yes, I was looking for those when I was there but couldn't spot them, seem to be in a non-public area. My photo was from the new Australian Garden area. I'm always on the lookout for Dryandra photo opportunites, but they are few and far between in Melbourne --Melburnian 13:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Lake lesch

Thought i used to know it well - bit run down these days - but very good bush with good photo ops at the west end - have thrown a welcome at the recent editor and suggested a good read of that - cheers SatuSuro 06:38, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

It seemed sorted by the time I got to it. Thanks for the notification :) Orderinchaos 05:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Any idea

on the ID for this banksia ? --Melburnian 08:24, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

File:Banksia 2 temp.jpg

Thanks for that, it's a luxury to have bicoastal expertise on this genus --Melburnian 14:14, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Harold William Bennetts

A new article that might be of interest to you. 09:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

User:KP Botany

Hi, I didn't know who ask this to but : Why are KP Botany's User and Talk page deleted? I can see his last edit was on October 21st, but now he's gone... Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 17:06, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast answer. I feel sad he's[/she's] left... he[/she] must have his reasons. Pro bug catcher (talk • contribs). 17:30, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Use of template messages

{{templater}} Richard001 04:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

John McDonald (Australian politician)

Adam's list says he was a Senator. Does your source confirm that? Perhaps he's a namesake. History of West Australia is pre-1901. —Moondyne 05:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd be very surprised if you'd left it out. —Moondyne 05:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC) How do you know he was from Qld? —Moondyne 05:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I said "for" not "from". Psephos told me.[1] Hesperian 06:03, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Crikey, thats good enough for me! I'll add him to John Macdonald (disambig page). —Moondyne 06:13, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

AWB

Ah, I was not aware that it added "using AWB" automagicly. Too excited to try it out I guess. Thanks for letting me know =) WegianWarrior 05:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

no, fail

63.239.234.170 is a shared IP address from a high school. You should've read that on the page before you said, "nuh-uh" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.144.4.45 (talk) 18:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm not aware of having had any interactions with 63.239.234.170. Care to clarify? Hesperian 22:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Red links

Are you refering to a particular page? Because often a red link appears when the appropriate article hasn`t been correctly linked...Andycjp 04:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

unblock

Wow, that's really strange. You of all people shouldn't be blocked... I'll see what I can do to get somebody's attention! Auroranorth (sign) 05:52, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Meanwhile, it kinda helps if "unblock me please" is coming up on people's watchlist, so please don't post here again 'til its sorted out. Hesperian 05:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Aurora, thanks Sarah. Hesperian 05:57, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome :D Auroranorth (sign) 05:58, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

If it wouldn't be too much trouble, could you drop a reply on Pedro's neutral vote to tell how you came across my RfA before it was transcluded? Lara❤Love 17:15, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

GlassCobra's "racist" comment on LaraLove's RfA

As you know, User:GlassCobra just compared Lara to a racist in her RfA (see [2]). I find this comment highly offensive and, since it just occurred within the last few hours, feel it should be considered by editors before GlassCobra's RfA is closed at the end of the day at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/GlassCobra. As such, I have requested a delay in the closing of Cobra's RfA. Since you've been involved in this discussion over so-called ageism, I'd also suggest you voice your opinion on Cobra's RfA. Best,--Alabamaboy 12:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What is this shit? I come out of my little box to vote in an RfA one time, and now I'm receiving requests to help some idiot vote-stack an RfA in retaliation for a perfectly innocuous statement that has been deliberately misinterpreted. I don't want to be a part of your petty, vindictive universe. Sod off. Hesperian 12:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

		What a Brilliant Idea Barnstar
		for such an eloquent assessment Gnangarra 12:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Seems to be yet another case of zOMG drama, which is getting quite bad in recent days on the Wiki. Orderinchaos 13:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

• Wow - the things one misses when off for a while :0 SatuSuro 03:11, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Nah, storm in a teacup. Hesperian 04:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Mark John Currie

Thanks for your comments on my tiny addition to the Foundation of Perth. And apologies for making such a major change to Mark John Currie. I've a lot of work still to do. I may have to visit Kew to get his Royal Navy careerApuldram 17:33, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

carlinoides

I forgot I had that one, would have liked it a bit sharper but it was a long way from the path. A very nice plant. --Melburnian 11:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

William Butcher

Being and got more photos on avondale, as well as the book it has sections on all the owners prior to ag dept, watch their articles get more info. BTW with William Butcher they sold avondale for about £51,000 in 1910 do you know how to convert for comparison? Gnangarra 13:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

the book you'd be interested in its even got a drawing of Perth from 1829 by C.D.Wittenoom Gnangarra 13:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the calculator link, I dont eat enough big screen tv's to have noticed the price changes. Gnangarra 12:30, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

thats fun calc to play with though I would want to have put £100 aside in 1929 by 1933 its was only £78/-/6 Gnangarra 12:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Ntini to...

Good catch. I should have done my homework :-) Grant | Talk 07:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

East Island

Thanks for the tip, now we are cooking with gas. Peter Horn 03:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

List of islands of Western Australia, D-G

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Name	Coordinates	Remarks
East Island	16°54′9″S 122°11′45″E	See Lighthouses and lightvessels in Australia
East Island	21°16′30″S 115°35′44″E

I have revised East Island

• East Island/Whangaokeno, New Zealand
• East Island, Falkland Islands
• East Island, Western Australia
• East Island, Andaman & Nicobar Islands
• East Island, Rhode Island

{{geodis}}

Hello, You-all had eliminated the most "important" one, the one with the lighthouse on it!!! Please check "What links here" !!! Peter Horn 02:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Talk:East Island. Peter Horn 03:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied there. Hesperian 04:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Lacepede Islands

Nothing really to add that you don't already have, including Mr Roberts and the "American Incident". I'm sending you an email now with the scans in case you can see some gems I can't. Cheers. —Moondyne 00:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually there may be just enough there for an American Incident article. —Moondyne 01:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Food for thought

Click there to open your card! → → →

Dearest Hesperian,

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved, and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.

—John McCrae

On Remembrance Day (or Armistice Day - Veterans Day in the US) we remember those soldiers who sacrificed their lives so their countries could live in freedom. We use poppies to remember the blood shed by soldiers in Flanders Fields, a major European battleground. The poem In Flanders Fields was written during World War I but Remembrance Day commemorates all lives lost to war, especially after the first of the World Wars. The observance is not to glorify war but to remember those who suffered. Very few people remained untouched by the effects of World War I.

Memorial services held today often include the Ode of Remembrance. The ode finishes with these words:
We will remember them.
Auroranorth 04:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

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