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December 2011

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Hello! "HebbarIyengar.net" is not a reliable source. When the data is controversial/challenged, one has to provide reliable neutral party sources, in this case a non-hebbar/iyengar src. As per this ref' [1] jairam ramesh happens to be tamil brahmin. Most of all, sources provided in jairam ramesh page only speak of his iyengar origin and none of them have any mention on he being a hebbar. Even if he is, his name can be put up in tamil first, as the info' is adequately sourced. By the way, the hebbar iyengars speak hebbar tamil and they recognize themselves as tambrahms. See - [2], [3]. Historians refer to them as tamil speaking groups.

Regarding your edits in wiki' -

• When you rightfully deleted Karun Chandok's tamil transliteration, which was indeed a good edit, why did you add a kannada transliteration for sandeep unnikrishnan's name?, knowing that he is keralite". At the same time you had unnecessarily added a kannada script in the "deepika padukone page", while she happens to be konkani, for which you gave a blunt reason - "...Don't misuse your privileges here. Kannada is the state language of Karnataka." - That was your edit comment. The konkanis in south karnataka use the kannada script, while those in raipur, belgaum etc use devnagiri.
  

• In one of your edit comments you said you're a far relative of bks iyengar, while in another you happened to be a "CSB" which was refuted and proven wrong by another editor. You need to watch out while reverting the edits of "Users with administrative status in wiki'".
  

• In the Rajinikanth page, what were you trying to portray when you made these edits - "He was born in a marathi speaking kannadiga family"? Does that even make any sense? He was a maratha who was "born and brought up in bangalore". That does not make him a kannadiga. Also, he got the name "Rajinikanth" after his foray into madras film industry, which was given to him by a tamil film director. So, the name "Rajinikanth" can be put up in tamil, while "Shivaji Rao Gaekwad" should have a marathi transliteration. Again, there is no need for a kannada transliteration.
  

• Almost all of these brahmin communities are aryan migrants from north india (earliest past) and are not indigenous southies. So, migrations have been taking place every now & then throughout history. That being the case we're just supposed to adhere to src (reliable NP ones) material contents which often only speak of their recent past.

• I'm sorry to say that you've been making pro-kannada POV edits, by giving blunt edit comments, which contradict your own comments in your other edits(in other wiki' pages). Considering all of your edits in wiki', you've been in violation of Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Hari7478 (talk) 03:24, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I will answer all your questions here.

• Your knowledge of Konkani scripts being used by people is wrong. Konkanis in Dakshina Kannada and Udupi use Kannada script whereas most of them in Uttara Kannada use Devanagari. Dakshina Kannada is not South Karnataka - it's a district in Karnataka. Belgaum doesn't have Konkanis, it has Kannadigas and Marathis. I don't know of a place called Raipur in Karnataka! Also, I agree Kannada wasn't quite needed in Deepika Padukone's page, however when I had done that (maybe a year back), most people had the transliterations in languages of the states they were living in (and not their native tongues), which prompted me to write it in both Kannada and Devanagari script (remember I did not remove Devanagari).

• The term Marathi speaking Kannadiga family is not something that you can understand unless you are from Bangalore. Bangalore is a unique cosmopolitan city in that people call themselves Kannadigas with different mother tongues. The term Kannadiga doesn't refer to someone with Kannada as mother tongue only, it also refers to someone who hails from Karnataka.

• So, which "reliable source" of yours says that Jairam Ramesh is a Tamil Iyengar. And by the way, Iyengars are not only Tamil speaking people. There are Kannadiga Iyengars as well, who are the people from Karnataka who started following Ramanujacharya when he crossed over to Karnataka. Their language is a mix of Kannada and Tamil and if you do not believe what the official Hebbar Iyengar page says, I don't know what else you can believe! You could refer to the Iyengar page on wikipedia which tells you about Iyengar people.

Hehest (talk) 05:26, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't want to feed a troll, i've provided the sources in the form of links(attested as citations) above - "Firstpost - the five battles that defined jairam ramesh", see here [4]. It is long. Read it carefully without overlooking.

The src here says that he is Iyengar brahmin - [5]. This src - "Firstpost news" specifically calls him a tamil brahmin - [6]. So pelase stop dodging and click on the links that appear as numbers. There is no mention about him being hebbar iyengar. Also, according to the other sources that i've provided above, author Benjamin Lewis and others have stated in their books that hebbar iyengars are migrants from "Kanchipuram, Kumbakonam & Srirangam". There is no mention about any local karnataka brahmin community converting to srivaishnavism. As per the info' in the Iyengar page - hebbar iyengars are descendants of brahmin migrants from TN, and i'm providing the sources again. See these - [7], [8]. U've been overlooking them. Also, i'm an Iyengar of the Vadakalai branch (from the "TN/AP" belt), and i've got a few hebbar relatives from the same (vadakalai iyengar) branch, who are married into our "relatives' circle". So, if you want me to take an expert's opinion, I don't think i need one. Regardless of any of these, stick to the "NP" sources please. As per the Iyengar article, all karnataka iyengars are descendants of TN BRAHMIN MIGRANTS, for which i've already provided the sources above.

"Official hebbar iyengar page" you say. What makes it official? It is possible that it might be a one man maintained website. Living in Karnataka, the owner of the web/domain might incorporate his/her own point of view in it. This is why wiki' often prefers neutral party sources like "news articles edited/authored by non-hebbar iyengars"(a neutral party source in this case). Please get yourself in line with wiki' editing policies. It is complex and might take months to learn.

You said "The term Kannadiga doesn't refer to someone with Kannada as mother tongue only, it also refers to someone who hails from Karnataka."
Nope. Definitely not. If that is your colluoqial usage, i can't help it. You shouldn't have added a kannada transliteration in the sandeep unnikrishnan page, and i'm sure you know that.

There might be contents here in wiki' which might not be acceptable to you. Regardless, the basic/prime policy of wikipedia is "Verifiability, not truth". Good Day. Hari7478 (talk) 05:59, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

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Alright, fixed it. Thanks. Hehest (talk) 17:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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I'm sorry to say that your claims about guha being a kannadiga was not found anywhere in the video. Your edits have been reverted by another user. And I have made contributions by providing a reference (an article by guha himself), where he calls himself a tamilian. Please donot make such deliberate edits with a one sided Point Of View. See the last paragraph of this article where he says that he is a tamilan - http://www.indiatogether.org/2006/may/rgh-obits.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.202.187.12 (talk) 16:39, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

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The fact that you don't know the word Kannadiga (which you are calling Karnataian) shows the level of knowledge you have in all this. Now get the hell out of my profile you douchebag. --Hehest (talk) 22:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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India was created in 1947 only so does that mean hinduism did not exist before that?

Saw somewhere you said Tamil nadu was created in 1956 only. Yes the modern state of Tamil nadu was created now. But try to gain knowledge of the Ancient/Early Tamil kingdoms and the Medieval Tamil kingdoms that existed until 17th century. The ancient Tamil country consisted of modern day Tamil nadu, Kerala parts of Andhra and Karnataka as well as Sri lanka. So even know TN was created now the region and Tamil community has been living there for millennia. This is similar to some people saying India was created only in 1947 so no india before that so no Indians before that and eventually we are not Indians. India was different kingdoms living together before the british colonialism did you know this? So because India did not exist before 1947 can you say that 0, value of pie is not Indian discoveries or iron pillar and crucible steel are not Indian inventions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.75.87.49 (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2017 (UTC)

The ancient Kannada Rashtrakuta kingdom consisted of all 5 states in South India, plus parts of Maharashtra, Gujarat, Madhya Pradesh and UP. Karnataka cannot claim these places today, the same way the state of Tamil Nadu cannot claim places that ancient Tamil kingdoms may have ruled. Perhaps you are referring to my comment in the Kabaddi page that the sport originated in Tamil Nadu. Even with proper citation, the correct way of saying that would be "Kabaddi originated in the ancient Tamil Kingdom of so and so..." and not "Kabaddi originated in Tamil Nadu". The claim that it originated in a Tamil Kingdom is also a baseless one, since there is no reference for that. Hehest (talk) 22:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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