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July 2011

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Paul Morantz has been reverted.
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Reverted XLinkBot change that lost other legitimate improvements to the article, then reverted change that added offending link in order to conform to Wikipedia's guideline standards without loosing other revisions. Hapshepsuit (talk) 20:30, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I'm trying to turn a pitiful stub of a topic on Paul Morantz the cult expert and legendary lawfare warrior, into a full fledged article worthy of being on wikipedia. I've read the style guide, new user help and FAQs but I'm still stumbling around a bit as I learn the right way to do things up here. And one thing I cant figure out is why a couple of my edits show up in the article's history page tagged as "Possible BLP issue or vandalism". What is a BLP issue? TIA! Hapshepsuit (talk) 17:24, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

BLP = Biography of Living Person. A BLP issue is usually something that could possibly be libellous or derogatory, or disclosure of private information or other matters. Anything remotely controversial must be sourced reliably WP:RS, and private stuff is best not added. Speculation about things is best avoided too. Stick to relevant, sourceable facts. It's best, too, to add new things at the bottom of talk pages - we know where we are then. Thanks. Peridon (talk) 17:38, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Just looked at what the bot was going on about. It doesn't like Youtube links and they are best omitted if possible. Peridon (talk) 17:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes I figured out youtube was frowned on with the first BLP flag and quickly scratched those off my original list of 47 references i pulled for rewriting the article with well sourced references. But I still have a ways to go yet to get it all in, thus the second and third BLP warnings that got tagged threw me for a loop, and I couldnt decipher what i did wrong on those additions to the article. Thanks for your help. Hapshepsuit (talk) 17:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

I do see a problem in the section on John Gotusso. You have cited a book with a 1993 copyright date to supports statements about what happened in 1998. As John Gotusso apparently is still alive, BLP applies to any mention of him in the article, and I have hidden the section pending clarification of what reliable sources support the statements in it. -- Donald Albury 18:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you the explanation and pointers, now I see what I'm doing wrong and catching on how to do the right way up here. I will revisit the John Gotusso info and gather more appropriate sources to support it Hapshepsuit (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

The more I learn, the more questions I have :) Now that I see from Donald Ashbury assistance above that something can be easily hidden on an article until its perfected, I have a new query. I'm wondering if it would be ok to put the headings in for the unfinished portion of my handwritten outline on what I wanted to add to the Paul Morantz article and then temporarily hide it in the same manner... so that I can map out a fill-in-blank type guide for adding a "Publications" section w/ subsections for all his major written works. Is entering & hiding a work-in-progress road map in that way deemed acceptable up here? TIA! Hapshepsuit (talk) 19:22, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

No, not really. Hiding things is an admin thing. Non-admins can't do it. We only do it in cases of BLP problems, attacks and so on. Peridon (talk) 20:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I just used <!-- -->. I think this one can be fixed pretty easily. If someone thinks it needs to be deleted, I won't object. -- Donald Albury 21:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Go 'ed... I've never used that comment thing here - used to do it in programming, though. Peridon (talk) 21:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

It can be fixed easily, just be slightly patient with a WPnoob trying to get her facts straights. I need track down publication date on one really old newspaper article I have a hardcopy of, and the publication name & date on another that i havent seen for awhile. Hapshepsuit (talk) 22:57, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

My second noob attempt of adding subsection to Paul Morantz article on John Gottuso litigation got a BLP flag again. I added 10 new references this time and followed the guidelines as best I could. If its still not good enough, here's hoping ed still has some WPnoob mercy left to just hide it again, and let me give it one more try. Hapshepsuit (talk) 01:25, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

At a very quick look, I'd say you're getting the hang of it. So long as everything controversial has a good ref, should be OK. Peridon (talk) 21:08, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. FWIW, i was extra cautious to only skim the surface of the controversial stuff surrounding the Gottusa cases. I left out alot of stuff, and only made passing mention of the common aspects that spanned all cases and were widely known in the press at the time. Hapshepsuit (talk) 21:54, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

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