User talk:HalfGig/Archive 1

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Hello, HalfGig, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

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oh, why thank you!

Re: Images and JSTOR

Hi HalfGig. Generally speaking, all images on Wikipedia need to be freely licensed (see Wikipedia:Image use policy). A good source of appropriately licensed images is Wikimedia Commons, Wikipedia's sister project. Here is the Wikimedia Commons category for Cucurbita pepo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cucurbita_pepo Another good source is Flickr, where you can filter searches to only show Creative Commons-licensed images (Flickr advanced search; you'll need to tick all three boxes under "Creative Commons"). See Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial for more information.

As for JSTOR refs, {{Cite jstor}} is a useful template that automatically fills out all the source details when you input a JSTOR article identifier. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any other questions. mgiganteus1 (talk) 23:56, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

And as for using the same reference more than once in the same article, see here. mgiganteus1 (talk) 00:05, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

that's very kind of you. thank you very much! HalfGig (talk) 00:13, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

When I did the cite jstor, it had a note like "fill in by hand". It wasn't hard to figure out. HalfGig (talk) 01:08, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

First letter of my name + giganteus from Octopus giganteus. :-) mgiganteus1 (talk) 00:28, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm, it seems {{cite jstor}} is broken at the moment and requires manual completion (explained at Template talk:Cite jstor). Originally a bot would fill in all the fields when prompted. However, if you know the DOI/PMID of a particular paper you can still use {{cite doi}} and {{cite pmid}}. After saving the page, you can click "jump the queue" to auto-generate the completed reference. As for the species lists, I think they would work better as a single list. You could add something like "(xerophyte)" and "(mesophyte)" after each species name, but it would probably be easier to add a sentence to the alphabetical list along the lines of "The C. digitata, C. foetidissima and C. pedatifolia species groups are xerophytes; the remainder, including the five domesticated species, are all mesophytic." mgiganteus1 (talk) 15:52, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Good idea on the species list. As for jstor, I like jstor and don't mind filling it in. Good to know there are pmid and doi templates too. HalfGig (talk) 16:05, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Cucurbita galeottii looks really good! You can see the (minor) changes I made here. mgiganteus1 (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I made some booboos setting it up, but I figured it out. I wish there were more info on this. VERY little is out there.HalfGig (talk) 23:59, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

One good way to bulk up an article on a poorly known species is to write about where, when and by whom it was described. You could also include information on the type specimen. Many older botanical publications are available freely online, so original descriptions can often be linked to directly. The original description of C. galeottii by Cogniaux is available here, for example. With regard to up arrows/carets, on my screen they all appear normal (as carets). A temporary glitch perhaps? mgiganteus1 (talk) 06:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yea, now they are carets. Go figure. All the sources I found so far have only one line on it except at the very end of Nee he has a small paragraph on it. I'll go add the link you found. The references take up more space in the article than the text. HalfGig (talk) 11:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yikes, that looks like it's in French or Latin. HalfGig (talk) 11:58, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Yup, like many early monographs it's 100% Latin. Doesn't exactly make for easy reading! mgiganteus1 (talk) 12:54, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

August 2013

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• fleshy, tuber-like roots. Species native to South America include ''[[Cucurbita pepo]]''.<ref>{{cite journal|last=Nee|first=Michael|title=The Domestication of ''Cucurbita'' (Cucurbitaceae)|

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thank you, Mr. Automatic Robot ;-) HalfGig (talk) 00:14, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for creating the new articles Cucurbita fraterna, Cucurbita pedatifolia, Cucurbita lundelliana, and Cucurbita galeottii, and your work on the article Cucurbita. Your efforts to improve Wikipedia are appreciated. ʍw 23:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I'm humbled. Thank you so much. That's very kind of you! I really like working on the Cucurbita genus.HalfGig (talk) 23:59, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cucurbita

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Cucurbita you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:40, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Cucurbita copyedit

Hi HalfGig. I've copyedited the first half of the article and will do the rest shortly. I came across this bit: "By circa 8,000 years BP the C. pepo rinds found are consistently more than 10 mm (0.39 in) thick. Wild Cucurbita peduncles are always below this 10 mm barrier." Should this refer to rind thickness or peduncle length? mgiganteus1 (talk) 21:03, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Apparently both. See ref 11 "When restudied, the Cucurbita assemblage from zones B through D of Guilá Naquitz was found to include 276 fruit rind fragments, nine measurable seeds, and 14 measurable peduncles and fruit end fragments having peduncle scars (10) (Fig.1). Exhibiting a diagnostic cross-section cellular morphology (3), the 276 Cucurbita rind fragments were all within the thickness range for present-day wildCucurbita gourds (11-13) and thus provided no unequivocal evidence for the presence of domesticated C. pepo. There was, however, a substantial increase in rind thickness in zone B (Fig. 1), implying a change in fruit morphology and possibly the presence of a domesticated type of Cucurbita in the zone B habitations of the cave. Paralleling this increase in rind thickness, the size of peduncles increases substantially in zone B (Fig. 1), signaling the presence of a clearly domesticated form of C. pepo squash. The peduncles of all documented taxa of wildCucurbita gourds consistently fall below 10 mm in maximum basal diameter (11-14)." This doesn't actually say the rinds are over the 10mm barrier but to me it heavily implies it. Please edit as you see fit to fix this, also so we aren't paraphrasing too close. HalfGig (talk) 22:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! I'm glad I could help. :-) I'll take a look at the ref in a bit. mgiganteus1 (talk) 22:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Seems to me the 10 mm value refers only to the maximum basal diameter of the peduncles. See Fig. 1 from Smith's paper, which shows that rind thickness ranges from 0.3 to 2.0 mm in the Guilá Naquitz specimens, while peduncle diameter ranges from c. 7.5–23.5 mm. There's also this source, which says much the same. mgiganteus1 (talk) 10:56, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Cucurbita

The article Cucurbita you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Cucurbita for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:02, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

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What is unreviewing a page? and why is it done. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 01:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't even know that was possible. I must have clicked a wrong button somehow. I'm so sorry. I think I've fixed it now. HalfGig (talk) 02:16, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Can you clarify?

I'm not sure what you are suggesting should be done with Nettle (disambiguation). Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:14, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Cave caps

Yeah, it looks like articles on individual caves generally have the 'Cave' capitalized, treating the whole thing as a proper name. Wikipedia's Manual of Style provides a lot of guidance on this subject. mgiganteus1 (talk) 18:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

About Bauhinia divaricata

Hi HalfGig! I saw a red-link in the article for the Genus - for the type species, no less - and decided it needed creatin'. Botany is not my strong suit and would sincerely appreciate your help with this and the few other plant stubs I've started. (For a start, I think the species authority is a little bit more complicated than just L., from what I can tell from the IPNI page.) Pete in Australia aka --Shirt58 (talk) 03:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Sure! See notes I made from people who mentor me in wiki ways: User:HalfGig/Tips#Plant_resources, I don't use IPNI. I generally use GRIN. I'll do what I can for this article of yours and others if you like. People have been very kind in helping me learn wiki ins and outs and I help them when I can. Can you look at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants#Not_understanding_reviewing and Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Autopatrolled for me? I'm busy this weekend so I'll likely work on your article in bits and pieces. HalfGig (talk) 11:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Just passing by, and noticed that Stephania looks like it has lots of interesting species articles to be started. I'd happily give you the "Autopatrolled" permission right, but (a) it generally requires creation of at least 50 articles (b) we admins are all humorless bureaucratic ass-hats, and I can't possibly break that tradition. it generally requires creation of at least 50 articles. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:41, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

That seems exceedingly high as from what I can tell most admins and long term users don't have that many.HalfGig (talk) 19:29, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Guilá Naquitz Cave

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Autopatrolled

So you were granted autopatrolled by a "common sense" administrator. It makes sense to not have your articles put in a long line. Let me know or the plant board if you need help with anything. --(AfadsBad (talk) 00:01, 1 October 2013 (UTC))

Re: Lewis Leonard Forman

These might be quite difficult to track down. I've had a quick look and it doesn't appear that the journals in question have online back issues (or even content lists) going that far back. Searching for the species name + journal proved equally fruitless. Maybe someone over at WikiProject Plants could help? mgiganteus1 (talk) 22:23, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I've done so and thank you for your kind help.HalfGig (talk) 22:29, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Troy E. Brown Disambiguation Help Needed

I was wondering if it would be right to have a disambiguation page for "Troy Brown" that could lead to the newly created Troy E. Brown.Or another option is to add his name to the top of the article Troy Brown. I am not very knowledgeable on disambiguation pages so your help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot.

Regards, Alex Alex Hortman (talk) 23:31, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Nice to meet you. I'm no expert either, but since it's only the two people, I think putting links at the top of the pages makes more sense. Just curious, what led you to my way? HalfGig (talk) 23:35, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

You were the first person to edit the article I created. You categorized him. So I figured you might know. Nice to meet you as well. Alex Hortman (talk) 00:03, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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Re: Squash mosaic virus

I'm a bit tied up at the moment and would like to finish working through some Nepenthes articles, so I won't be able to help with any significant expansion work, at least not in the next few days. But good luck with the article! Are you planning to nominate it for DYK? And yes, I had a look at Cucurbita recently and it's clear that you've made a lot of improvements since I last copyedited it. Nice work! mgiganteus1 (talk) 17:46, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I understand. I listed it at DYK yesterday and it is already approved. If you have improvements, at any time, please feel free to edit it. Yes, I've received good input at the PR on Cucurbita and I'm working through the comments. It should be in very good shape when I'm done with Sasata's comments. As always, thanks for the help! (talk) 19:00, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Squash mosaic virus

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No, don't do it!

I think if the name goes through the Requested Move process you'd see support for the existing name. I know you got frustrated over the name thing... please, take a day, 3 days, 10... but do come back. You've been doing great work. Clearly the challenge to the article name was a last straw for you, but I don't know where the other straws are. Hate to lose a good contributor over this. Zad68 18:33, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Very sorry to see you go. Totally sympathize. Am not sure why I continue at all, but it is partly because I mostly stay away from any page where certain barbaric editors exhibit ownership. I hope that you recover rapidly and completely from the angst that this whole enterprise produces. An editor that I have greatly admired, who worked here for many years, told me in email correspondence that he has succeeded in making a complete break from wikipedia and doesn't miss it, which is cheering because so many of us who try to break away find ourselves drawn back in. I hope that you have a wonderful escape, or at least an excellent break. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 01:58, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Honestly, the run-in that is driving you away is a blip without a leg to stand on. Hope you're keeping one eye on the discussion at Talk:Cucurbita#Why aren't we titled Squash here. Everyone can see that you do superb work. Why not let the seeming Wiki-lawyers, or warriors, or whatever roll on off your back, not crush the spirit that brought you to edit. Hamamelis (talk) 20:38, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

It saddens me to read this. Your article work was always top notch and Wikipedia's coverage of cucurbits is much the richer for it. I do hope you reconsider, but whatever you decide, know that your contributions here are appreciated and will no doubt prove useful to others researching these plants. Take care, mgiganteus1 (talk) 18:10, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

I've decided to come back and try to make Cucurbita as good as we can. Thank you everyone for your support. I needed the break. HalfGig talk 12:58, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey, it's great to see you back! I'll try to help where I can with copyediting and such. mgiganteus1 (talk) 22:52, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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