Grandhautbois

Grande Mlle and Lauzun

Dear Big Oboe,I am not sure that you got my message because I probably put it in the wrong place. Thanks for the compliments, and as for nomenclature of nobles, that is a thicket that no two people seem to handle in the same way! Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 17:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I discussed the issue with my historian husband before making those changes. I know how the Guises handled Mlle de Guise's secret children: there were rumors over the years, and there was a mention of the suspicion in the settling of her estate, but publicly, mumm was the word. However, in the Medici archives of Florence I found all sorts of talk about how --- when financial issues didn't go her way --- she would threaten to make their existence known, which would have turned the inheritance politics of the House of Guise upside down and robbed her heirs (especially la Grande Mlle...) of their rights. On her deathbed, she decided NOT to mention them in her will. I know that Gde Mlle didn't have children by Lauzun (she was really too old to have a bastard as a result of the pre-marriage flirtations with him), but something would have leaked into the documents that are available in the National Archives, the notarial minutes, etc. And no one has found anything, though everyone surely has kept an eye out for such a tidbit. That Lauzun wore mourning is not a surprise; that he wore her "livery" for awhile after her death is interesting: the latter suggests that he acknowledges being her respectful "servant", but that is not the sort of thing a husband would do. He was a real creep! It's been nice chatting.Patricia M. Ranum (talk) 13:37, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Great information, many thanks! Grandhautbois (talk) 01:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

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