User talk:Giants2008/Archive 25
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FLC archiving
Hi Giants, a list that you closed as promoted, Madonna filmography, has yet to be updated and listed in its article history. I'm not sure how long does the wiki robot takes time, but just asking whether the robot is working on it? —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 09:32, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
- Giants, I do not think that Legobot has undertaken the task for updating the article history of the FAC and FLCs. We do have a number of pending nominations for this. I would really really love to help, but I won't until the delegates say so and I have a clear understanding of what all needs to be done after the {{article history}} update. —Indian:BIO · [ ChitChat ] 11:21, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Gubby Allen...
...is now at FAC here. Any further comments gratefully received. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:23, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
2003 Oscars
Hi there,
Done with finals for the spring, and my birthday is May 21. So, I'm submitting a new Oscar ceremony for FL consideration. Would you kindly proofread 75th Academy Awards? I respect your busy schedule and would greatly appreciate the help.
List of national anthems
Hi Giants2008, I see that List of national anthems is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured list on June 6, 2014. The list does not meet Wikipedia's Featured list criteria, in respect of comprehensiveness, as it does not include all verifiable national anthems; namely Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau, the national anthem of Wales. I am considering nominating it as a candidate for removal from Featured Lists. As such, it would be inappropriate to feature on the Main Page until it has been reviewed. I would be interested to hear your thoughts. Best,
- As has been explained to you, then Welsh anthem appears in the List of anthems of non-sovereign countries, regions and territories, which is where it rightly belongs. Perhaps you could go to the talk page and discuss why you are unwilling to alter the first line of the List of national anthems to "nation state", which would clear up any misunderstanding? - SchroCat (talk) 11:04, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- No offence, but if I had wanted to talk to you (SchroCat), I would have posted at your talkpage. It is perfectly clear why the first line should remain unchanged. If List of national anthems is a list of national anthems, as it purports to be, it should include all verifiable national anthems. If it is a List of nation-state anthems, that should be the list's title. Otherwise, it is misleading. Daicaregos (talk) 11:26, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- Try discussing it at the article talk page, rather than spraying the question round the talk pages of others. If you don't return to the article to discuss the use of the correct term "Nation state" against the misleading "nation", I will take this as your tacit acceptance to the change. As to the title, try looking at Wikipedia:COMMONNAME, which outlines why common terms (such as "national anthem" are used. We, an an encyclopaedia, stick to the common terms, but can then use the text in the article to confirm what we are showing: in this case the namthems of the nation state, not just those that also appear in the List of anthems of non-sovereign countries, regions and territories. - SchroCat (talk) 11:31, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- Daicaregos, SchroCat is right in saying that this is an issue that should be discussed on the article's talk page, not here. I see that a similar complaint has now been posted there, so I'll monitor the developments as the discussion continues. If there is a consensus that the list is troublesome in its current form, it can be pulled, although I don't see one so far. I do hope that the list isn't nominated at FLRC if most other commenters agree with the exclusion of the list in question, as that would be a waste of time for all involved, including myself. Giants2008 (Talk) 22:14, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- Try discussing it at the article talk page, rather than spraying the question round the talk pages of others. If you don't return to the article to discuss the use of the correct term "Nation state" against the misleading "nation", I will take this as your tacit acceptance to the change. As to the title, try looking at Wikipedia:COMMONNAME, which outlines why common terms (such as "national anthem" are used. We, an an encyclopaedia, stick to the common terms, but can then use the text in the article to confirm what we are showing: in this case the namthems of the nation state, not just those that also appear in the List of anthems of non-sovereign countries, regions and territories. - SchroCat (talk) 11:31, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
- No offence, but if I had wanted to talk to you (SchroCat), I would have posted at your talkpage. It is perfectly clear why the first line should remain unchanged. If List of national anthems is a list of national anthems, as it purports to be, it should include all verifiable national anthems. If it is a List of nation-state anthems, that should be the list's title. Otherwise, it is misleading. Daicaregos (talk) 11:26, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
DYK for List of New York Giants first-round draft picks
On 24 May 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article List of New York Giants first-round draft picks, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the National Football League's New York Giants traded two first-round NFL draft picks to the Minnesota Vikings for Fran Tarkenton in 1967, only to trade him back to the Vikings in 1972? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/List of New York Giants first-round draft picks. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
When?
It passed nealy 15 days before but, no star and archive? When this will be archieved by the bot. I dont understand what the problem is. Please clarify.—Prashant 10:57, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
Ya, I saw that. Finally! Thanks for your time. Also, I was thinking Can the bot add FL star to article as it was done manually. But, I wanted it to go naturally. Any ideas?—Prashant 02:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Re: DYK nomination of List of Major League Baseball hitters who have batted in 10 runs in one game
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DYK for Fay Crocker
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List of FIFA World Cup finals
Hi Giants,
Thank you for your kind request! I agree that it would be good to have a List of FIFA World Cup finals blurb up on the main page to correspond with this year's finals. I have written the blurb and hope that it meets with your approval.
June 2014
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75th Academy Awards
Hi, Giants2008.
I don't know if your busy, but could you please proofread 75th Academy Awards for featured list promotion. I also in exchange proofread your nomination of List of New York Giants first-round draft picks.
FLC request
Hi, can you spend some time reviewing this nomination? —Vensatry (ping) 17:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
2003 Oscars
I fixed everything you pointed out in 75th Academy Awards regarding featured list promotion. Thank you,
Walt Nielsen has been nominated for Did You Know
Hello, Giants2008. Walt Nielsen, an article you either created or significantly contributed to, has been nominated for Did you know consideration to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page. You can see the hook and the discussion here. You are welcome to participate! Thank you. APersonBot (talk) 02:41, 23 June 2014 (UTC) |
TFL
I'll do what I can. If you do me a favour, and list them at least a couple of weeks in advance, I'll promise to make sure the blurbs and lists are reasonably up to scratch. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds great. There are currently blurbs scheduled through July 14, and I plan on readying one for July 18 today. If you want to look at the blurbs that are about to run, they are here and here. I'll keep the blurbs coming on a regular basis; in the past I've done two per week as TFL requires. Giants2008 (Talk) 19:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
- I will do. I'm sorry for leaving the project in the lurch. I couldn't commit to the time, just in case, with the arrival of The Rambling Kid, but now we're a few months down the road, things are becoming a bit more organised so I can dedicate some time back on the ranch... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
DYK for Walt Nielsen
On 24 June 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Walt Nielsen, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that although the New York Giants signed Walt Nielsen in 1939, he spent that season with the minor-league Jersey City Giants, reportedly because of his hay fever? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Walt Nielsen. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
WikiCup 2014 June newsletter
After an extremely close race, Round 3 is over. 244 points secured a place in Round 4, which is comparable to previous years- 321 was required in 2013, while 243 points were needed in 2012. Pool C's Godot13 (submissions) was the round's highest scorer, mostly due to a 32 featured pictures, including both scans and photographs. Also from Pool C, Casliber (submissions) finished second overall, claiming three featured articles, including the high-importance Grus (constellation). Third place was Pool B's , whose contributions included featured articles Russian battleship Poltava (1894) and Russian battleship Peresvet. Pool C saw the highest number of participants advance, with six out of eight making it to the next round.
The round saw this year's first featured portal, with Sven Manguard (submissions) taking Portal:Literature to featured status. The round also saw the first good topic points, thanks to 12george1 (submissions) and the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season. This means that all content types have been claimed this year. Other contributions of note this round include a featured topic on Maya Angelou's autobiographies from Figureskatingfan (submissions), a good article on the noted Czech footballer Tomáš Rosický from Cloudz679 (submissions) and a now-featured video game screenshot, freely released due to the efforts of Sven Manguard (submissions).
The judges would like to remind participants to update submission pages promptly. This means that content can be checked, and allows those following the competition (including those participating) to keep track of scores effectively. This round has seen discussion about various aspects of the WikiCup's rules and procedures. Those interested in the competition can be assured that formal discussions about how next year's competition will work will be opened shortly, and all are welcome to voice their views then. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk · contribs) The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 18:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
2014 Oscars
Hi, Giants2008.
I don't know if your busy, but could you please proofread 86th Academy Awards for featured list promotion. I would greatly appreciate the help.
86th Oscars (2014)
Hi there,
I fixed everything you suggested for the 86th Academy Awards regarding featured list promotion. Thank you for your help.
Hi, could you please take a look at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Pakistan Test cricketers who have taken five wickets on debut/archive1? Regards, —Zia Khan 00:48, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, List of Test cricketers who have taken five wickets on debut is at Peer Review. Please have your comments here. Regards, —Zia Khan 22:31, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
1987 Oscars
Hi there,
Could you kindly proofread 59th Academy Awards for featured list status? I know you are very busy, but I would really appreaciate your help.
1987 Academy Awards
I fixed both errors regarding 59th Academy Awards for featured list status. Thank you for your help.
For your ATTN
Hi I would like to bring a good faith edit to your attention please. This is one of the filmography pages you have promoted. One editors has removed some content from the page and with respect rather going to an edit war u would like to clarify this by talk. If you could have a look and let me know appreciate it. [1] The explanation for the edit is this. [2]. Thanks. Daan0001 (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
- Hello much appreciated regard your response. That's ok I've been busy too and will be making some look at other filmography pages to make improvement like this way. Thanks for your time. Daan0001 (talk) 21:52, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Can ypu please have a look at this when you time please. Someone people try to own artcles. [3] Thanks. Daan0001 (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- "Someone people" ==> "Someone"."try to own arcles" ==> "is trying to..." Grammar check. LOL! -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 11:02, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
- Hi Can ypu please have a look at this when you time please. Someone people try to own artcles. [3] Thanks. Daan0001 (talk) 11:01, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Delay
Hi, this article seems to have been promoted to FL, but no update has been made to the page to indicate this status so far. Neither of the bots you mentioned is active, their last edit was in May 2014. I'm afraid that the process has to be done manually. Regards, ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 07:25, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
FLC backlog
Hi. Hope you're well. I've finished the closure of a few promoted lists. There's two left for this month and we'll be up to date in terms of promotion. Could you please finish off the closure of these two which I can't as I have COI? Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of accolades received by Her (film)/archive1 and Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Aishwarya Rai Bachchan filmography/archive1. One thing I noted, for the Billboard list although I finishing closing the discussion it still appears as unfinished on the featured list log, I don't know why, the others did not. Cowlibob (talk) 17:18, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
WikiCup 2014 August newsletter
The final of the 2014 WikiCup begins in a few short minutes! Our eight finalists are listed below, along with their placement in Round 4:
- Godot13 (submissions), a WikiCup newcomer, finished top of Pool A and was the round's highest scorer. Godot is a featured picture specialist, claiming large numbers of points due to high-quality scans of historical documents, especially banknotes.
- Casliber (submissions) is a WikiCup veteran, having been a finalist every year since 2010. In the semi-final, he was Pool B's highest scorer. Cas's points primarily come from articles on the natural sciences.
- Czar (submissions) was Pool A's runner-up. Czar's points come mostly from content related to independent video games, including both articles and topics.
- Adam Cuerden (submissions) was Pool B's runner-up. Another featured picture specialist, many of Adam's points come from the restoration of historical media. He has been a WikiCup finalist twice before.
- Cwmhiraeth (submissions) won the WikiCup in 2012 and 2013, and enters this final as the first wildcard. She focuses on biology-related articles, and has worked on several high-importance articles.
- 12george1 (submissions) is the second wildcard. George's points come primarily from meteorology-related articles. This year and last year, George was the first person in the competition to score.
- Sturmvogel 66 (submissions), the third wildcard, was the 2010 champion and a finalist last year. His writes mostly on military history, especially naval history.
- Bloom6132 (submissions), the fourth and final wildcard, has participated in previous WikiCups, but not reached any finals. Bloom's points are mostly thanks to did you knows, featured lists and good articles related to sport and national symbols.
We say goodbye to this year's semi-finalists. Matty.007 (submissions), ThaddeusB (submissions), WikiRedactor (submissions), Figureskatingfan (submissions), Yellow Evan (submissions), Prism (submissions) and Cloudz679 (submissions) have all performed well to reach this stage of the competition, and we hope they will all be joining us again next year.
There are two upcoming competitions unrelated to the WikiCup which may be of interest to those who receive this newsletter. The Stub Contest will run through September, and revolves around expanding stub articles, especially high-importance or old stubs. In addition, a proposal has been made for a new competition, the GA Cup, which the organisers plan to run next year. This competition is based on the WikiCup and aims to reduce the good article review backlog.
There is now a thread for brainstorming on how next year's WikiCup competition should work. Please come along and share your thoughts- What works? What doesn't work? What needs changing? Signups for next year's competition will be open soon; we will be in touch. If, at this stage of the competition, you are keen to help the with the WikiCup, please do what you can to participate in review processes. Our finalists will find things much easier if the backlogs at good article candidates, featured article candidates, featured picture candidates and the rest are kept at a minimum. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk · contribs) The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 22:09, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
FLC request
Hi Giants, can you review this when you find time. —Vensatry (ping) 06:16, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Best Actor Oscar
Hi there,
Could you kindly proofread Academy Award for Best Actor for featured list status? I know you are very busy, but I would really appreciate your help.
RE: Best Actor Oscar
I fixed two problems with Academy Award for Best Actor, but I have a question regarding the multiple nominees and winners.
FL Candidate
Hi Giants2008,
I nominated Timeline of Briarcliff Manor for featured list (review link here), and although one person made extensive comments, I'm worried that's not enough to pass it. I haven't nominated an FL before, so I'm not sure how many comments are necessary for passing, but I know that on FACs, probably about a half-dozen or more is good. What do you think, and how could I go about getting more reviews?
Thanks,
ɱ (talk) 01:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Hi Ɱ, one of the FL delegates here. We'd generally be looking for at least 3 supports before promotion. I personally give each nomination at least 2 months, so there's still time. If you are worried about reviews, you may try to review other nominations and, once finished, request that they have a look at your nomination. A couple users have used that to fair success, although I personally don't do it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks!--ɱ (talk) 01:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
RE:Best Actor Oscar
I fixed the multiple awards and nominations for Academy Award for Best Actor regarding featured list status. Thanks for the help.
- Is there anything else that I need to ix regarding your comments? I just wondering so that I can do the necessary editing. I already fixed the columns.
World Series Most Valuable Player Award
Hi Giants,
Thank you for the request. I have written a blurb for World Series Most Valuable Player Award as you suggested. Are you able to deal with the dead link in that article? I am not familiar with sources relating to baseball. I hope the blurb is to your liking.
WikiCup 2014 September newsletter
In one month's time, we will know our WikiCup 2014 champion. Newcomer Godot13 (submissions) has taken a strong lead with a featured list (historical coats of arms of the U.S. states from 1876) and a raft of featured pictures. Reigning champion Cwmhiraeth (submissions) is in second place with a number of high-importance biology articles, including new FA Isopoda and new GA least weasel. Casliber (submissions), who is in his fifth WikiCup final, is in third, with featured articles Pictor and Epacris impressa.
Signups for the 2015 WikiCup are open. All Wikipedians, new and experienced, are warmly invited to sign up for the competition. Wikipedians interested in friendly competition may also like to sign up for the GA Cup, a new WikiCup-inspired competition which revolves around completing good article reviews. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk · contribs) The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 22:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
The Happy Yorkshireman writes...
After a long absence, he's back begging. Jhall1 and I have been working for what seems like years on Jack Crawford (cricketer). All I can say is that Crawford isn't a Yorkshireman, I'd appreciate any comments on the talk page (no formal PR here) and favours gratefully returned if wanted. It feels choppy to me, so feel free to tear into it. (And as you probably aren't aware, the above section title refers to this) Sarastro1 (talk) 19:05, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
- And Jack Crawford is now at FAC here. Any further comments more than welcome! Sarastro1 (talk) 12:13, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Today's Featured Article: Notification
This is to inform you that Doc Adams, which you nominated at WP:FAC, will appear on the Wikipedia Main Page as Today's Featured Article on 1 November 2014. The proposed main page blurb is here; you may amend if necessary. Please check for dead links and other possible faults before the appearance date. Brianboulton (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi Giants2008- Great to hear about the main page next month. Question- I have found a way to make thumbnail images of a section of a larger image. In other words, to make this list, I cropped portraits from notes, but I could replace the existing portraits with virtually identical ones that, when clicked, would reveal an entire banknote. Do you think this would be an improvement?--Godot13 (talk) 22:37, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
DYK nomination of 1961 Major League Baseball expansion
Hello! Your submission of 1961 Major League Baseball expansion at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!
Just a QPQ needs to be done before I'll give your nom the go-ahead tick. I understand that you only nominated this yesterday, so sorry if this comes as an early surprise. —Bloom6132 (talk) 06:52, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Since you were a discussant at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/archive1 and 2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team overlaps with the article for its star player Trey Burke, I hope you might be willing comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Trey Burke/archive1, which has been open 19 days without any substantive commentary.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:28, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Precious
teams and players
Thank you for quality articles on your your "favorite teams and players", such as Doc Adams and List of New York Giants seasons, for attempting "to review all articles on sports that came along" for FA (such as William Robinson Brown), for tirelessly maintaining article quality by adding citations and removing spam, for serving as a director of the featured list process, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
DYK for 1961 Major League Baseball expansion
On 3 November 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article 1961 Major League Baseball expansion, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Los Angeles Angels, a 1961 Major League Baseball expansion team, played their first season at Wrigley Field? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/1961 Major League Baseball expansion. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
WikiCup 2014: The results
The 2014 WikiCup champion is Godot13 (submissions), who flew the flag of the Smithsonian Institution. This was Godot13's first WikiCup competition and, over the 10 months of the competition, he has produced (among other contributions) two featured lists and an incredible 292 featured pictures, including architectural photographs and scans of historical documents. Cwmhiraeth (submissions), 2012 and 2013 WikiCup champion, came in second, having written a large number of biology-related articles. Casliber (submissions), WikiCup finalist every year since 2010, finished in third.
A full list of our prize-winners follows:
- Godot13 (submissions) wins the prize for first place and the FP prize for 181 featured pictures in the final round.
- Cwmhiraeth (submissions) wins the prize for second place and the DYK prize for 65 did you knows in the final round.
- Casliber (submissions) wins the prize for third place and the FA prize for four featured articles in the final round.
- Czar (submissions) wins the prize for fourth place
- Sturmvogel 66 (submissions) wins a final 8 prize.
- Bloom6132 (submissions) wins a final 8 prize.
- 12george1 (submissions) wins a final 8 prize.
- ChrisGualtieri (submissions) wins the GA prize for 27 good articles in round 2 and the review prize for 28 good article reviews in round 1.
- Caponer (submissions) wins the FL prize for three featured lists in round 2.
- Sven Manguard (submissions) wins the FPo prize his work on featured portals.
- Figureskatingfan (submissions) wins the topic prize for a nine-article featured topic in round 3.
- ThaddeusB (submissions) wins the news prize for 28 in the news articles in round 3.
Congratulations to everyone who has been successful in this year's WikiCup, whether you made it to the final rounds or not, and a particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup who have participated this year. We warmly invite all of you to sign up for next year's competition. Discussions and polls concerning potential rules changes are also open, and all are welcome to participate. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2014 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk · contribs) The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 22:52, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
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