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Hilfe, Bitte

Help, please, with Deutsche Forschungsgemeinschaft.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 15:21, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Ping: @Dthomsen8:. Assuming the question is about the article's title (just saw the talkpage edit), I am not really sure. If the German title is recognizable for English speakers and commonly used in English literature and articles, it would be acceptable. If an English translation is more common in English to identify the organization, main title and redirect should probably be switched. GermanJoe (talk) 16:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

18:18, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

People Counter

Thanks for your message. Is the main issue here with the citation? If I can point to an independent source, the content of my edit is then acceptable?

I should say straight away that I'm writing on behalf of a vested interest, a people counter manufacturer, and we're just trying to make sure that this article is actually a fair reflection of the current state of the technology, as from our point of view there seems to be a systematic bias within this page. Different technologies are being arbitrarily categorized into different generations, and implying that some technologies (eg. thermal and infrared beam) are no longer used when in reality they are.

We have tried to make fairly worded edits that are objectively verifiable but many are simply deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.12.16.222 (talk)

Hello, first of all thank you for being so straightforward about your connection to a manufacturer. Please make sure to read WP:COI and disclose this connection when editing. 2 quick general tips: 1) You should register an individual account if you plan on regular editing. Aside from improved communication and additional technical features, you can also better disclose a possible COI on a static userpage clearly connected with yourself as individual editor. 2) For editors with a possible conflict of interest, it is generally discouraged to edit such articles yourself. But you can always suggest added sourced content at the article's talkpage, using Template:edit request in your message. Such suggestions from involved topic experts are welcome, but may need a bit of time to get implemented.
Regarding your initial question: the content would certainly be OK in my opinion, if you can provide a truely independent reliable source for it (and obviously assuming that it is technically accurate). But as mentioned above, it would be better to phrase such a suggestion as an edit request on the article's talkpage instead of adding it yourself. Hope that information is helpful, but please feel free to ask if you have any further questions. GermanJoe (talk) 11:38, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice, just wanted to make you aware that this is the account we will be using. Irisys (talk) 12:58, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, @Irisys:. Just to be safe: please make sure that only you use this individual account. Sharing accounts among several individuals is generally prohibited (see WP:NOSHARING). I'll post some basic links to information on your new userpage. GermanJoe (talk) 13:18, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm well aware of the nofollow policy, Joe. It wasn't my intention in any way to post a spam link. But that doesn't change the fact that the dynamics of the initial 48 hours are critical for a campaign. The content on the link explains why, how, and what, using practice rather than a theory or the assumption. But anyway, thank You for pointing that out. Gonna be more careful in the future with the sources. Take care! --Igor Katusic (talk) 06:34, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIX, November 2017

 
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Dear GermanJoe: the official websites "fatima.pt" and "peregrinosdefatima.pt" are directly related with Fátima (city) and the Sanctuary and the Marian apparitions, and considered by several Wikipedia members and several articles as official sources about this well-known subject. For that reason, they should be maintained (are not spam links) as it happens with the other worldwide famous Marian shrines and articles. Please, take this as a contribution and not as a vandalism. My purpose is offer a good articles to our community, not an advertising service to the shrine or other institutions. Thank you. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 14:41, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Anjo-sozinho:, "official links" are links directly about the article topic, not about some vaguely "related" side aspect. Also, such official sites are usually maintained by the topic itself or by an officially acknowledged representative (for towns and villages usually some kind of government or other official site). I will double-check and remove all spam links again. If you re-add them without further discussion, the spam domains will get blacklisted. If you'd like to start a centralized discussion, I suggest a thread at WP:EL/N as best forum for multiple articles at once. Also, please feel free to name some of the "several Wikipedia members", who support the addition of promotional links to Wikipedia. GermanJoe (talk) 01:04, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
On second glance, I have kept a few official links though that seem to meet Wikipedia's criteria, where they are directly about the article's topic itself. However, these links should not be added indiscriminately to vaguely "related" topics. Wikipedia is no link directory. I hope, that keeping some of them in directly relevant main articles will be an acceptable compromise for you, in keeping with Wikipedia's guideline about external links. GermanJoe (talk) 01:16, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Well, you did not really want to understand what I wrote and what I explained, and it always gets easier to eliminate than to try to complete and develop. In all Wikipedia articles on public places and worldwide known phenomena there are associated official links (institutions, etc.). Eliminating the Sanctuary of Fatima and the official service dedicated to the pilgrims seems to me an exaggeration, but I have already seen that you don't want to understand or collaborate with my editings. Can you help me at least to open a centralized discussion about this subject? Thank you. Anjo-sozinho (talk) 01:18, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
@Anjo-sozinho: I already provided a link to the noticeboard above (WP:EL/N) - the link includes additional information on top of the page (and please read WP:EL, if you haven't done so already). To summarize Wikipedia's external links guidelines again, although the details are more complex: 1 official link for the "Santuário de Fátimais" is probably appropiate for articles covering its shrines and chapels (and I will keep the link in these articles). Additional links are not appropriate in articles about spiritual concepts, religious titles or historical events, which have little or nothing to do with the site's content. GermanJoe (talk) 01:34, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Nice to meet you GermanJoe

Hello, I received your message. Thank you for getting in touch. I am new to editing Wikipedia. I thought it would be fun but a lot of my articles keep getting reverted. I think the content I have been adding is good and from reliable sources. I could use some help. Not sure what I am missing here. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.230.203.148 (talk) 01:18, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for the notice. Assuming this is about the recent AIIM-related edits, I'll briefly mention the three most important points (imo):
  1. This is completely optional but if you'd like to edit Wikipedia more regularly, I'd strongly recommend to register an individual account for yourself. You don't have to disclose personal information (aside from COI connections, see point 2), any anonymous or pseudonymous registration will do. Registered accounts have several additional technical abilities (user notifications, and several editing rights among others) - it's generally a lot more convenient for editing and communicating.
  2. If you have a professional connection with AIIM, you need to disclose this professional connection (see WP:COI, especially WP:DISCLOSE). My apologies for harping on this point, but it is an important one to consider. Wikipedia is no platform to popularize organizations or their views, but to present neutral and uninvolved information based on independent reliable sources. Self-published information is generally considered less reliable and is only usable in some uncontroversial cases (see WP:SPS), when no better sources are available.
  3. Lastly, AIIM seems to be 1 NGO among several others and has no final official authority to define terms or standards (atleast according to the organisations Wiki description). As such, adding the organisation's views without independent 3rd-party sources (coverage in independent news or expert publications like books and journals) is undue weight (see WP:WEIGHT).
Hope, this clarifies some aspects, but feel free to ask if you have other questions. I'd be glad to help. Another useful forum for all Wikipedia-related advice is at WP:Teahouse for new editors. GermanJoe (talk) 01:50, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

EthosCE

Hi GermanJoe, sorry about overwriting your changes on the EthosCE page, that was an accident. I've made a few more edits after your restore and removed some overly detailed and inaccurate information. I want to note that I am a conflicted editor -- can you review the page to insure that nothing I changed has unduly influenced by my connection? Ezrawolfe (talk) 20:04, 18 November 2017 (UTC)ezrawolfe

Hello @Ezrawolfe:, no worries - mistakes can always happen :). Thank you for being open about a possible conflict of interest. Please make sure to read WP:COI and WP:PAID, and disclose this connection as described in these linked guidelines. On first glance: external links are generally prohibited in the article's main text (unless they are in a citation to reference a specific piece of information). Usually only 1 link to the topic's "official" website is allowed - as an encyclopedia Wikipedia isn't intended to provide a comprehensive link directory. Anyway, I will briefly go through the changes and fix some Wikipedia-internal content issues. Please see my edit summaries for each change, but of course feel free to ask me if you have any additional questions. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 20:12, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

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17:51, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Undoing of revision 813424459: Issue of copyrighted contents

Mr. Raghuram Murmu is a public figure and any public information about him can be found freely on internet. Two parallel wikipedia pages existed but with bare minimum information. I accept that I referred some freely available resources on internet for adding information to his wiki page titled "Pandit Raghuram Murmu". But how can any information about a public figure available in public domain, be a subject of copyright? Before editing the wiki page, I read all the available resources that I could access, and then made my contributions only after proofing and re-editing every content that I was adding. Took me two days for the whole exercise. And now all that hardwork is gone for some reason that I don't understand. May be the only thing I shouldn't have done was adding the web links in the reference section. But for that you could have removed those links alone and asked me for a clarification on copyrights, instead of blatantly wiping off everything that I added.

Now, please tell me how should one write something on wikipedia about a public figure without referring resources available on internet. It is not possible for everyone to know a public figure personally to be able to right something about him. Wikipedia is the world's most trusted source of information and that's why I took the initiative of writing something about Pandit Raghuram Murmu on wikipedia so that more people can know about him.

I have not given up yet, so please tell me how to update his page without violating the alleged copyrights? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sameerhansda (talkcontribs) 06:06, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Sameerhansda:, "Publicly available" is not the same as "not copyrighted" or "public domain", this is a common misconception unfortunately. You can not copypaste such texts unless their author explicitly grants a free license for their work. Modern creative works, including texts, are copyrighted by default unless explicitly stated otherwise. For the other points, please see my message above in your previous post. GermanJoe (talk) 06:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Just a suggestion, but it might be better to continue these discussions at the article's talkpage Talk:Raghunath Murmu, if further clarification is needed. I noticed that a few other editors improved the article in the meantime - they may be able to offer additional input or possibly other reliable sources to develop the article. GermanJoe (talk) 07:08, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello @GermanJoe:, yes the article was improved- two external links of youtube videos were added(are youtube videos considered reliable source of information??). I will make sure that further(if any) additions/contributions are done on the page titled Raghuram Murmu. SameerHansda (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:32, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
YouTube videos are problematic to use, but can be added in rare cases. They are not outright prohibited as external links (see WP:Youtube) or even as primary sources (for example for statements of opinion from acknowledged topic experts). Written secondary reliable sources are almost always preferrable though. GermanJoe (talk) 18:22, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

(Undid revision 813424971 by Sameerhansda (talk) do not create alternative parallel article versions

This has reference to the redirect issue on the following wiki page " https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Raghunath_Murmu&oldid=prev&diff=813426224 "

For your kind information the two pages titled "Pandit Raghuram Murmu" and "Raghuram Murmu" respectively, existed long before I knew. They represent the same public figure. "Pandit", is an honorary title prefixed to Raghuram Murmu's name. Please note that before my edit, "Pandit Raghuram Murmu" page was blank(with no content) and there was a redirect in place from that, to the page titled "Raghuram Murmu"(this page just has one line about the public figure we are talking about). And If that earlier redirect(or alternative parallel article versions) was not inappropriate, then how was my edited redirect inappropriate. All that I tried to do was present more information about Mr. Raghuram Murmu, the public figure. I had to choose to add information onto either of the two parallel pages that already existed and that's exactly what I did.

Please show me a way around this issue — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sameerhansda (talkcontribs) 05:38, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello @Sameerhansda:, Raghunath Murmu is an active, albeit short, article while Pandit Raghunath Murmu is "only" a navigational redirect to allow more convenient searching - strictly speaking the Pandit page is not an article itself (note that page names for active Wikipedia articles usually do not include titles and other honorifics for persons). So if you'd like to improve the topic, you should edit the page Raghunath Murmu directly. However, as I already mentioned on your user talkpage, the tripod website is not a reliable source and cannot be used for verification of content - you should search for sources like books or academic journals before you add further content. And you must phrase such content in your own words instead of copypasting text from any reference. I hope I could clarify these points a bit more - these Wiki-internal aspects can be confusing at times. Best regards. GermanJoe (talk) 06:24, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
Hello @GermanJoe:, academic journals for verification, honorifics in page names, tripod website an unreliable source - accepted(it was my ignorance). But, the comment about copy pasting is not. Because my article was not a ditto copy paste. I don't except you to read my article in entirity, but perhaps if you had then you would have known that incidents from his life were completely rephrased, unnecessary details were edited, grammar was corrected, information from separate sources was merged, in fact I presented an extremely condensed summary apt for wikipedia users. Please understand that we are not talking about fiction or work of art, but historical facts here, where the scopes of rephrasing are minimal, because the fact cannot be tempered with. There indeed were copy pasted paragraphs without my edits, and for that let me support my case through an example-how do you rephrase, "The honorary title of GURU GOMKEY was conferred upon him in the Baripada Adibasi Mahasabha of 1978", or "He authored the books xyz"??? If it is possible then please help me retrieve that article that has been deleted, so that I can run reasonable edits on it and add it to the active page. Best regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sameerhansda (talkcontribs)
@Sameerhansda:, content that has been deleted due to copyright concerns is usually not restored in my experience. But of course you could always try to ask the deleting administrator for a restored version in your userspace or for additional advice - such decisions are entirely up to an administrator, not to a regular user like me. But as mentioned, they may likely reject such requests for copyright-related problems. GermanJoe (talk) 18:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
@Sameerhansda:If you don't mind a suggestion for further edits: it would probably be better to start from scratch in my opinion. Try finding additional sources and add content in smaller chunks - one fact at a time in your own words, neutrally phrased and accompanied by a clear source. Using smaller edits, you are less likely to loose all you contributions in one huge revert, and partial problems are usually easier to spot and fix - huge edits in one single step are just a lot more difficult to work with. Also, as already recommended before, if you believe content may be controversial or unclear, or if other editors disagree with your changes, you should use the article's talkpage to discuss with other editors about such article-related questions. I hope these points are helpful - I certainly don't want to discourage you from contributing to this article. I completely agree with you, that it is too short and would benefit from additional sourced information. GermanJoe (talk) 18:41, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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Don't forget to format your clock to daylight savings time. --RAN (talk) 02:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome, although that's probably not what is meant in this context ;) (Google only shows some obscure programming terminology for "format clock"). GermanJoe (talk) 02:59, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXL, December 2017

 
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Help with article?

Hi,

I noticed you sometimes help with business-related articles and I wanted to see if you might review a request for an edit for Adam Pritzker at Talk: Adam Pritzker. I am an experienced Wikipedia editor but consult for Pritzker, so someone independent needs to review the request.

Thanks.

BC1278 (talk) 18:42, 13 December 2017 (UTC)BC1278

Hello @BC1278:, I noticed that CookieMonster755 has already reviewed your request. I agree with these comments, especially about the "mission" details: this part needs rephrasing. "Vision" or "mission" declarations (or similar public PR statements) are largely irrelevant for an encyclopedic article and should be completely omitted in favor of an uninvolved description in your own words, based on independent reliable sources. "Vision" and "mission" statements describe how a person, company or organization sees itself or how it would like to be seen in public - neither of these viewpoints is suitable for a factual and totally unbiased description. On a sidenote, I have also added a standard COI-message on top of the article's talkpage, clicking on "request corrections on or suggest content" you can create new edit requests which are automatically tagged and queued for review (although there is usually a bit of backlog). Hope that helps, but please feel free to ask if you have any further questions. GermanJoe (talk) 09:03, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

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Recent COI edits

Hi GermanJoe. You may remember that I have a disclosed COI/affiliation with McKinsey and Bain. I wanted to drop in and make sure you knew none of the recent COI edits were from me or anyone from either firm in any official capacity, to the best of my knowledge. Sometimes it only takes one employee out of thousands to make it look like the company is being nefarious. Thanks for keeping a close eye on them.

Regarding the discussion on the McKinsey page between you and the IP, I think being "prestigious" is legitimately a substantial part of what the firm is known and a heavy emphasis of the total body of literature. It probably just needs a sentence instead of a paragraph in the Lead. Some other areas that could use a second pair of eyes (if you're interested) is the "2017 South African corruption scandal" section on the McKinsey page and the "List of current and former Bain & Company consultants" on the Bain page (see here). CorporateM (Talk) 21:39, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Hello @CorporateM:, no worries. I certainly wasn't implying that you were directly connected with these edits. You have clearly disclosed your COI, and I appreciate - and AGF - your transparency in that regard. Other content-related questions are better discussed on the articles' talkpages though. GermanJoe (talk) 23:04, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

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