User talk:FunkMonk/Archive 1

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Dinosaurs

Hi Funky,

Thank you for your many edits tonight on articles relating to dinosaurs. You may be interested in joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Dinosaurs. Again, thanks for your efforts. Best wishes and happy editing, Firsfron of Ronchester 08:28, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Dinosaurs, FunkMonk! :) Firsfron of Ronchester 08:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! FunkMonk 08:52, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Duplicate images uploaded

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Galleries

I have noticed that you have been adding galleries to many dinosaur articles. Please note that Wikipedia is not an image repository. Articles should generally only include images that support accompanying text. Wikimedia Commons is the place for image galleries. Regards, Mgiganteus1 05:56, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I just realised that. I was going to add accompanying text later though, I'll do that in the non-featured articles. FunkMonk 05:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Invitation

Would like to join us on Arabic wikipedia . We have a lack of very important articles and of serious contributors and I think that your experience on wp:en can help us a lot to make wp:ar better . Sorry for my English and if you can pass this message to any interested contributors i would be very grateful .ar:user:Omar86

Heh, I'd like to, but I'm unable to write in Arabic, so my help would be useless. I'll pass the message on though. FunkMonk 12:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't make redundant templates

When you need a small addition to an existing template for a closely related topic, if it can be done with optional variables there is no reason to make a new template, as it simply increases complexity. Basically the two templates share 90% of their variables so it is best to reduce maintenance effort by simply using a single template with optional variables. The fact that the name of the template is not a perfect match for all uses is not really a concern because that doesn't show up in the rendered article. —dgies^t_c 16:17, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I will change the similar variables, and that's also why I've requested help for changing the template to the better. You could help if you care.

The thing is, cryptozoological creatures and mythological creatures are not the same, so those two sharing templates would be the same as paranormal creatures sharing templates with regular animals. FunkMonk 16:23, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

They're both imaginary creatures. What type of fictional canon they come from is just a detail. What specific changes do you want to make? I just added those two optional variables to Template:Infobox Paranormalcreatures; what else is needed? —dgies^t_c 16:25, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, then it won't fit with the cryptids, but okay, they can be left out of course. I'm too new to the template stuff, so if no one with better skills create a completely unique template for non-existing mythological creatures, I'll just stick with the paranormal template. And that's the big difference, Cryptids are believed to actually exist, whereas no one believes in creatures like minotaurs and centaurs. FunkMonk 16:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying cryptids and mythological creatures are the same thing, but as they are both in all likelihood imaginary creatures they share a lot of the same characteristics, and can easily share the same template. —dgies^t_c 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, never mind, the main reason why I requested a new template is that I wasn't aware that it was "allowed" to add sections to templates (like "mythology"), which do not exist on the "mother" template. But well, if you can, case closed. FunkMonk 16:38, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Some crap

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did to Laura Prepon, you will be blocked from editing. --Yamla 22:09, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I added a picture of her, as was requested by the current image name "Replace this image1.svg". I added this image. File:That 70s Show - Radio Daze.jpg

That is a screenshot and qualifies for "fair use". FunkMonk 22:39, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Seems like you removed the fair use rationale of the image. Why? FunkMonk 22:44, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

cryptid

Good catch, thanks for pointing that out. Until(1 == 2) 13:43, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

No problem. FunkMonk 15:57, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Stop

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia. Your edits appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Egyegy 17:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Please discuss the issue before reverting my edits, please. This has nothing to do with vandalism, but with facts. FunkMonk 17:43, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Please, be aware that you are in violation of WP:3RR. Your edits are being construed as disruptive and that is why they are being reverted. You should have continued to discuss the issue before trying to enforce these changes. — Zerida 17:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I propose that the articles be merged. Therefore it is necessary for the tags to be there. It is only a proposition, as the tag says, no one says it will be merged. Please argue against me instead of simply reverting. FunkMonk 17:57, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Feel free to continue arguing your point on the relevant talk page before making your changes. If you edits are being challenged, it's best to continue discussing without making the controversial changes until a consensus is reached. — Zerida 18:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that my edits aren't challenged by arguments, but by revisions. That is extremely insufficient. If you have a point, argue, or stop reverting. I'll contact and admin right now. Saying that modern Egyptians aren't an ethnic group isn't controversial, by the way, it's common sense.

If an article claimed the ancient Vikings were a modern day ethnic group too, I'd delete it in seconds. FunkMonk 18:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Tom Harrison ^Talk 20:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Funny, am I the only one getting a warning when Zerida and that other guy have made as many revisions as me? FunkMonk 21:28, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

re Egyptian as modern ethnicity

Hello, I recently stumbled across this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians

It treats modern day Egyptians as an ethnic group, though this view would only be held by a very small minority of Coptic nationalists and similar. Egyptian obviously refers to either the ancient Egyptians or the modern day Egyptians, who are a heterogeneous national group. The users Zerida and Egyegy, who appears to be Zerida's mute sock puppet, keep reverting my proposition for merging the Egyptians article with demographics of Egypt, or simply remove the nonsense about them being an ethnic group, without ever arguing against me on the talk pages. They also keep adding "Egyptians" as an ethnic group of the Middle East, though this is preposterous.

As I believe you are an admin, could you warn them or similar?

Here is my arguments against them which they didn't respond to:

"I'm not talking about whether modern Egyptians are related to ancient Egyptians or not, but the fact that Egyptian doesn't refer to any living ethnic group, but a nationality. Different Egyptian groups identify as Arabs, Copts, Berbers, Nubians, so on, but they are all Egyptians by nationality, which is the only thing the term can be applied to, when it comes to modern, living populations. Otherwise you could say that the Swiss, Belgians, Americans, so on, are all ethnicities, which would be absurd. You don't make an article called "Vikings" and write about modern day Scandinavian either." FunkMonk 18:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll have a look at the issue. Please remind me in case it would be late. Thanks. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 03:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Reverting =

I did not realise you were editng. Plese get the information to support this stuff, then add it. The evidence you have provided did not support your vision of this future discovery> Fred ☻ 19:39, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

• Again, explain what you're referring to. I provided a source that argued for the validity of racial classification. What do you want? FunkMonk 19:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Please don't restore citations, that you made me read, that did not say anything like you contend. It is vandalism and a waste of time. Try to find something constructive to do. Thanks. Fred ☻ 19:46, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

It is an obsolete term, not reality. I am not here to explain why what you believe is wrong, sorry. Read the other articles and some proper books on this. Fred ☻ 19:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I am warning you not to edit war. Read the policy on WP:3RR Fred ☻ 19:51, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== 7/20/2007 9copyright-edit1.rtf "Zerida" ==

Ancient Egypt the same as modern Egypt? (and/or Zerida)

For what it's worth, FunkMonk, I agree that modern Egypt can not be the same ethnic group as modern egypt; though, modern Egypt may be an ethnic group of its own.

Let's look at Ancient Egypt for a moment, or Egyptiacs, as they are now referred to. We can find in Webster's Third New International Dictionary a famous quaote of a famous writer/editor about Egyptiacs. Quote: "Egyptiac: of or relating to ancient Egypt<Egyptiac society....bacame extinct in the 5th century of the Christian era --- A.J. Toynbee>.

Now, as for "Zerida", she has interuppted and "vandalized" posts which I too have made. I made edit to a page and she totally deleted (:destroyed) the edit/post and then took the nerve to self-create my "UserTalk:FadingPaint" page to tell me she had "vandalized" my edit by accusing me of "vandalism", wherein my edit was merely mis-placed. There is no excuse for her self-appointed haughtiness and "delusions of grandeur". Sincerely, FadingPaint 16:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Removal of Sabra and Shatila image

I have explained on the talk page why I removed the image from the List of massacres. Please discuss there before restoring the image. Thanks! --Knulclunk 22:50, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Fine with me, I just couldn't find your original explanation in the history blur. FunkMonk 22:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Ancient Arabs

Hi FunkMonk, I am looking forward for your contributions to the Ancient Arabs article as of now it is still under heavy vandal activity (Assyrianist user), he keeps merging the article into PreIslamic Arabia, because he thinks the Arabs didnt exist in the ancient era!. Anyways, if you have time pull the article out of the merge and see by yourself, it has a long talk page attached to it.--Skatewalk 12:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

• Who is the Assyrian? Are there problems there now? "Pre-Islamic Arabia" is good enough, don't you think? It covers a lot of things. FunkMonk 18:19, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Your edit warring and vandalism of sourced info

Stop edit-warring, vandalizing sourced information and making personal attacks as you are doing on Middle East. You have been warned by users and admins about that before. Egyegy 22:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

• Quit being so pompous. You started the insults by calling me a troll. Bring it to the talk page of the Middle East article if you disagree with the edit. FunkMonk 22:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn't call you a troll, it's your editing (deletion) that is trolling. And we've already had this discussion. Egyegy 22:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

• The discussion on the Egyptians page stopped simply because you and the two other Egyptians ganged up. But you don't own the Middle East article, so keep your misinformation to your own Egyptians page. FunkMonk 22:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Your fourth revert has cost you a 24 hour block for a 3RR violation. When the block expires please use the talk page rather then revert warring. Spartaz ^Humbug! 09:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you, kind sir. FunkMonki 16:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Egyptian people

I have made some statements why Egyptian people article should be deleted, you may support this cause [[1]] Balu2000 18:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

• Done. But it should rather be re-written I believe. FunkMonk 18:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the Arab article

Hi FunkMonk, I am satrting to accept tha (Al-Andalus) version, except for the part where it says 500,000 Bedouins are the Arab minority in Egypt! instead it should be left alone like the rest of the other countries. I tried reasoning with Lanternix but we seemed to have a communication problem and I am going to stick to the official version, for the articles sake! So we can focus on fixing the rest of the article.--Skatewalk 21:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• Yeah, there isn't much we can do. It's like with some of the Assyrians, you can't argue with hardcore nationalists... What do you think we should work on next? And hey, isn't it odd that there isn't an Arabian Wiki project? I think we should have one started. FunkMonk 22:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• FunkMonk it should be Arab wiki project (I signed for it).
• Wiki project Arabia should be later on its own.
• Thanks for creating the project--Skatewalk 22:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Isn't created yet, I'll see how many people are interested first! FunkMonk 22:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC) 9 people so far--Skatewalk 20:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Arab article

As I did read this article, it contains a lot of unusual information, propagandistic views and weasel words in the article Arab. I therefore would like to get a group with me who are able to rewrite this article in a best way to get best results. Anyone who want to join our team add your name below in the Arab Talk page. Please note that after the team has gathered, we will place "under-progress" tag. Irqirq 14:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Update on the ARab wiki project?

We have 10 members so far, let me know what we do next = )--Skatewalk 23:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

• I think we need to agree on what to name the project, and more important, what to write on its page. We might want to create a draft first I think. FunkMonk 05:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Arab wiki project is nice? Tell me what you want on it, I will do it. All credit goes to you for doing this, because you were the first person to bring this idea. Also the team I didnt join it because I feel its going to hurt the normal article editing. BTW I am American born, my parents are Arab Christians from Lebanon our roots go back to known Arab tribes in Yemen. I been to most the Arab world because of my fathers work. You can look up most my edit history it is neutral Arabian tribes edits. So I dont want you to confuse me with the Anti-Arab Copts or Assyrians! I am an ethnic Arab and I associate myself with the Arabs no matter the religion or nationality. I dont like the whole flag posting thing, since anybody could claim a fake identity and try to wipeout the article. And I never recognized these nationalities anyways.

• I will appreciate it if you make sure we dont have extra unnecesary additions (infobox, or this is Arab this is not) we should focus on the genral idea and offer links to the articles where you can read more.--Skatewalk 11:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Heh, I think credit is irrelevant, as long as we can have a good team of editors who know what they're doing, and who won't abandon the project, I'm happy. I agree with pretty much all your ideas regarding the project, so maybe it should just be created? I think we should maybe take a vote about the name though, on the Arab talk page maybe, just to be sure. After all, it could be both "Arabs" or "Arab", and maybe "Arab people/culture/civilization/ethnicity" so on. By the way, are you Greek Catholic/Orthodox? I'd imagine they might identify as Arabs, more so than Maronites for example. FunkMonk 11:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Arab Project

I think you've gotten enough members to start the project. If you want any help in setting up the project page, let me know. Alternately, you could find the page of a project you like and substitute in the appropriate info. In any event, though, it looks like the project has a very good chance of being a success once it's started. Good luck! John Carter 15:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

• Thanks! I'll ask when/if we run into trouble! FunkMonk 23:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Announcement

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• Perfect! FunkMonk 23:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Proto Semitic vs Proto Afro-Asiatic

• • Semitic starts 4000BC-3000BC

• Ethiopia only has 1 branch only! and it loses Semitic elements East to West (coming from Yemen).

1. 1 Ethiopic family>>>(Tigray/Tigriniya) direct descendants of Southwest Arabian (6th century BC)
2. 2 Aksumite Expansion>>(Amhara)Semitic expands into inner Ethiopia and begins absorboing non Semitic elements. (3rd century AD)
3. 3 The fall of Aksum>>>(Semitic creoles) and the isolation of the Armies, this created the rest of the Semitic creoles in Ethiopia, which were basically the result of the isolation of the Aksumite Garrison towns in Ethiopia. (10th century AD)

• Yemen also was settled East to West and North to South. (Ma'een, Saba'a old capitals were in the desert interior regions), Saba'a expanded into the mountain regions 7th BC and Himyar settled south west Yemen 1st century AD (most the tribes moving from Qataban in the desert, creating small towns).

• Central Arabia is the logical location, because the Semitic expansion came from the west/south in the Akkadian period. And South to North in the Amorite. North to South in Qahtan. A'adid descendants (closer to the empty quarter)still speak Archaic Semitic in the East of Yemen. this language is much more pure than the SouthWest Semitic group (Yemen and Ethiopia).

• • AfroAsiatic claims are very weak, because:
• Ethiopia was settled by the Semites and later invaded by the Oramu giving them the multilingual claim that Ethiopia is the origin, just like Spain can claim its the origin of the IndoEuropean languages, because they have Celtic, Germanic and Latin on Iberia! Which was a result of invasions not origination!.
• The DNA claim is also weak, because Ethiopia was settled by the Yemenites 6thBC to 6th centruy AD. and the Yemenites settled all the mideast and North Africa, covering the AfroAsiatic region (through early pre-Islamic migrations and later Islamic invasions), SO the DNA reflects the DNA of the Semitic invaders and a later reverse invasion of Yemen (by the Aksumite Mixed afro-Semites).--Skatewalk 17:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hmmm, I thought Afro Asiatic just referred to the languages of the family being used on both continents, and that it didn't indicate origin? FunkMonk 21:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Maronites are not Assyrian

Elias has some serious issues, next thing he will start claiming my dad was Assyrian! I am tired of talking to him, The Maronites are a religious group not a race; Arabs, Arameans, Phoenicians and Some Franks...belwo is a list out of the (Lebanese Encyclopaedia):

• The Patriachs below account for more than 70% of the Maronites Patriachs in the last 400 years. All are well known ethnic Arabs. The Crusader period had a Frankish influence that I can't verify but atleast the first Douaihy was a Crusader, then he married from the Makhlouf Arabs. 3 more Patriachs will come from that lineage.
• Arab Maronite Patriachs:

Ghassanid Arabs Qahtan

Mikhael Rizzi (1567-1581)

Sarkis Rizzi (1581-1596)

Yosef Rizzi (1596-1608)

Youssef Tayyan (1796-1809)

Tobiah Al-Khazen (1756-1766)

Yohanna Helu (1809-1832)

Joseph Al-Khazen (1845–1854)

Nasrallah Sfeir (1986-current)

• Mashrouki Arabs Qahtan

Youssef al Sem'ani (1687-1768)

Yaqoub Awwad (r 1705-1733)

Sem'an Aawwad (r 1743-1756)

Boulos Massead (1854-1890)

• Ghaythi Arabs Qahtan

Antoine Arida (1931-1955)

Boulos Meouchi (1955-1975)

• Other Etnic Arab Patriachs

Youssef Hobeish (1823-1845) From Qais 'Ailan

Antoine Khoreysh (1975-1986) From Bani Hilal

• Frankish Patriachs A Crusader from Douai, France

Jeremiah El Douaihy (1199-1230)

• Mixed Frankish/Ghassanids Douaihy/Makhlouf

Yohanna Maklouf El Douaihy (1608-1633)

George Omaira El Douaihy (1633-1644)

Stephen El Douaihy (1670-1704)--Skatewalk 06:50, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

• Heh, I already removed some bogus about Assyrians from the Maronite page. Some guy had a source that stated Maronites belong to a "Syrian race", so he claimed that "Syrian" referred to "Assyrian", when it obviously referred to the region of greater Syria! We gotta watch out! FunkMonk 22:28, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
• Elias seems a bit motivated about the Greater Assyria, I really don't mind an Assyrian identity if he is going to make an imperial one! as of now it seems more related to the church and the whole Assyrian nation depends on Elias!

Modern Syria is Greater Syria minus Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan and Parts of Southern Turkey and Western Iraq. --Skatewalk 16:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The Maronite population

Hi FunkMonk, I saw you add 15Million with a source, but the info box says 3 million? I am not doubting the numbers, since many Maronites were singles and married other Non-Maronites adding to the population.

• The number should be changed in the infobox and the article Christian Arabs should be changed to (15~20Millions). --Skatewalk 02:59, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

• Heh, I have no idea who added the number! FunkMonk 05:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a question?

Email me.. --Skatewalk 16:07, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for deletion

Hi, could you please delete this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Red_Knigts_militia&redirect=no

I misspelled the name... FunkMonk 17:55, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 19:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Name

Please stop referring to Muntuwandi as "Mutu." It's incredibly immature to intentionally refer to someone by a nickname they've made it clear they dislike. Picaroon (t) 21:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• I'm doing it out of love. What's so offensive about "Mutu"? It's incredibly immature to feel insulted by something that harmless. Take a look at Jeeny's "Moronitz", it's fantastic how people ignore Jeeny and Mutu's antics while noticing every time I express a little bit of passion. FunkMonk 21:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Right, love. I'll do a text search of these talk pages to see where Jeeny has called MoritzB "Moronitz", which is similarly unacceptable. Picaroon (t) 21:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• I appreciate that, darling! FunkMonk 21:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Improving the Egyptian article

I added it to the Arab world project, it needs to be fixed so we can clearly mention the non Arab minority in Egypt (the Copts) and the Arabized and Ethnic Arab muslims. The article is a mess now, plenty of Afrocentric and Anti-Arab trolling.--Skatewalk 04:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

• I re-added it, and it seems that they now agree... FunkMonk 17:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Self identified Arabs

Hi FunkMonk,

• Most of the Greek Orthodox/Greek Catholic are ethnic Qahtani tribes that migrated from Yemen in the 3rd century. We were allied to the Byzantines till the end (some converted to Islam). However the religious alliance was always weakened by our strong tribal connection with the muslims, especially the Aws and Khazraj (both Azd tribes very closely related to us), who were the first tribes to support the Prophet in Medina. The Caliph Omar used this to his advantage by putting the aws/khazraj in the front lines in Yarmuk and prior contacts...made the Ghassanids defect to the Muslim side.
• The way I see it Greek orthodox Lebanese families are more pure (atleast gentically) because they are Kahlani Arabs, we were isolated from the Europeans due to our Eastern rite, so we kept to ourselves, while the Maronites mixed with them and fought along them. Most the Arab Muslims are actually more mixed than us (Turkic, Persian, Circassian, European/African slaves and Crusader converts).
• Keep in mind Modern Yemeni Arabs absorbed a big number of Africans after 525AD, these groups populated most of the Muslim Arab world. Opposed to the prior Migrations that was mainly of Kahlan prior to the African influx in Yemen (which explains the slightly lighter complextion. However, Lebanese/Northern Syrian Muslims are slightly lighter than us, so you decide who absorbed more European bloodlines -since you love DNA digging lol-). Ofcourse I am not saying that the Muslims or Maronites are lesser Arabs. If you speak Arabic and in general recognize your Arab origin you are Arab.
• I didnt want to edit that part so tell me if you want me to change that part, or replace (self identified with, ethnic or PanArabist)--Skatewalk 02:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

• Which one are you? Orthodox or Catholic? As far a sI know, the only North Arabians who can be said to be "pure" Arabs are the Bedouins, all others are just Levantines or slightly mixed with South Arabians, but I don't know for certain, as few studies have been done. But you should check this: [2]

Slightly related, I have some anthropological plates of different Middle Easterners, here are some Greek Orthodox men: [3]

Some Nusayris: [4]

Some Muslims [5]

Some Bedouins: [6]

And some Samaritans: [7]

I have plenty of others, but those ones are cool. FunkMonk 17:41, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Egyptian Arabic

Egyptian Arabic (Maṣrī مصري) is an Arabic dialect.

• The only language to branch out of Arabic is Maltese. Can you please help me organize these articles?.

Arabic dialect has to be clearly added in the infobox an openning sentence so it dont get confused as a language!--Skatewalk 03:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Attempts to reduce the Arabic language status

A user known for his/her Anti-Arab agenda made it his/her mission to claim that all Arabic dialects are independent languages, starting with Egyptian Arabic dialect. Egyptian Arabic (Maṣrī مصري) is an Arabic dialect. has to be clearly emphasized in the Egyptian Arabic article

• The only language to branch out of Arabic is Maltese. Can you please help me organize these articles?.

Arabic dialect has to be clearly added in the infobox an openning sentence so it dont get confused as a language!--Skatewalk 20:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• I noticed it too, and made some changes, they shouldn't be allowed to refer to it as simply "Masry" if they don't explain what it is, because this is the English Wikipedia, not Arabic. There could be issues with the Lebanese article too, some of those Phoenicianists believe it is a direct descendant of the Phoenician language! FunkMonk 20:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

OK I am it biased when it come to Lebanese, my brother tells his freinds he is Phoenician! I identify with the Phoenicians and Arabs (I admit it unrealistic, but its legendary). The truth is that Aramean replaced Phoenician longtime ago. Phoenician ceased to exist even before the arrival of the Qahtani tribes. The Coasts are heavily populated by Arabs 3rd century Ad, 9th century, 13th century, Ottoman period all had waves of Arabs settle the Phoenician coasts, this is the Phoenician lands. The Mountains inner region spoke Aramean (they came from Syria).--Skatewalk 21:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Heheh, I'm rather pro-Levantine too, more so than pro-Arab (which is out of necessity), I prefer to identify with the pre-Arab inhabitants of the region rather than the Arab invaders, as these had a minor genetic influence anyway. But claiming to be a Phoenician is a bit far fetched, just like it is far fetched to claim to be "Assyrian", even if you don't share anything at all with these ancient peoples other than some genes and the region you live in. Our ancestors have identified themselves as many other things in between, and these could be just as accurate. But if I could single handedly revive Aramaic in the Levant, I would! FunkMonk 21:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• I look at the Arameans as a previous Semitic invasion to the area. Similar to the proximity between the Normans and Germans?

The problem with the Aramiac identity s that it was hijaked by certain groups after the 6th century BC. I am from the coasts so I still reserve my right to identify as Phoenician (unrealistic, but they lived in my area...its an emotional identification) and Arab, after all the Phoenicians are most likely an Amorite extraction that got seduced by the sea. However, Maronites lived in the mountains and came from Syria so I am not sure how they are related to the phoenicians. Aram means mountains in semitic.--Skatewalk 21:34, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• Heheh, I've read several places that Alawites are somehow connected to the Phoenicians, and that they adopted Arabic very late. So I believe we have more reason to identify as Phoenicians than the Maronites have, heh... Some articles:

"Various sources claim that their rites include remnants of Phoenician sacrificial rituals, that they claim that women have no souls and that they drink wine (possibly a form of communion)."[8]

"far more serious is the Alawite doctrine's affinity with Phoenician paganism—and also with Christianity."[9]

"But researchers who have studied the group say they drink wine in some ceremonies, incorporate elements of Phoenician paganism, and hold that Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet Muhammad, is a divine."[10]

I don't know if I can include that in the Alawi article, because it seems too far out! FunkMonk 21:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

The Alawi article needs to be expanded, most this claims are known to muslims. The Alawis are too far out thats why they were persecuted by the Ottomans. You wil not find any references, so you should explain that the alwaites practiced their faith in (Batiniya)seceret faith, fearing the persecuction of the Ottomans. The Amorites had a huge migration into the Levant, most scholars ignore the Amorites, because they failed to establish a powerful empire in the Levant (they eventually ruled the Old Babylonian empire, Hammurabi one of them).

This applies to most Levantine cultures. (except maybe the Ummayid Muslims, who established the lone Empire ruling from the Levant, but that didnt last long? and the power center shifted to Mesopotamia again!!) The land has to do alot with this, the Geography of the Levant = ( --Skatewalk 21:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

User:Skatewalk and User:FunkMonk: disruption and canvassing

[THIS LINK] Could I ask someone to review User:Skatewalk and User:FunkMonk's conduct? Skatewalk has been cross-posting on various users' talk pages for days to encourage them to engage in revert wars on several articles, lastly asking them to deal with a user "known for his/her Anti-Arab agenda" [11]. He is also fond of soapboxing on article talk pages, for which I left him two not-a-forum warnings, which he deletes then posts on my talk page instead. FunkMonk is the user who frequently responds to his calls [12]. Please review our contribution histories. — Zerida 20:56, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I posted on members of the Arab world wiki project, because you are trolling Arabic language pages and claiming dialects as languages!

• the only language to split from Arabic is Maltese, every other nation speaks Arabic as its official language and has numerous local dialects. I ask the admin to review Zerida biased edits history to see what type of agenda she is pushing!
• wikipedia is a scientific encyclopaedia not a place to play edit wars! 90% of your contribuitions are original research that opposes reality and science!--Skatewalk 21:02, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• When I see fabrications in an article which is supposed to be factual, I change them. Nationalists don't scare me. FunkMonk 21:17, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

• you still have to explain that to wikipedia admins, who might have little knowldege aboiut the subject or this person they are dealing with!--Skatewalk 21:37, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

So we speak 22 languages?

Can you please help Zerida (and her sock-puppets) understand that Egyptian Arabic is a dialect (because now she is claiming that its a language!), I think she is already taking it personal! (Egyptian Arabic)I mean once they declare every dialect a Language I will have a beautiful resume with 22 languages on it, but as of now unfortunately the constituition of Egypt and every Arab nation only recognizes one Arabic language as the only Arabic language!--Skatewalk 18:09, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hahah, yes, and I didn't know Egyptian Arabic was the "national" language of Egypt? Isn't it just modern standard Arabic? Ridiculous! FunkMonk 18:23, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I just talked with skatewalk and was asking him for help on this article [13] He did recomended you :) , I wish you could help a little thanks. Nick10000 19:35, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

• Aye, what's the issue? Something about the Arab appearance? Physical? I have a lot of anthropological plates if you want to see some of that, and I've already posted some on this very page, if you look here: [14] FunkMonk 21:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

This stuff is very useful but since I am dividing Arabs by regional like [15] and [16] I think I need a more specific physical headline for both men and woman, I would be very greatful if you could provide those stuffs. thanks in advance. Nick10000 07:37, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

• Hmmm, from what I've read on physical anthropology, North Arabians are more in the "Armenoid" and "East Mediterranid" direction, whereas South Arabians are more "Arabid". You might get into difficulties while researching those terms though, and they aren't really taken seriously today. In general, South Arabians are just darker than North Arabians. There's of course overlap though. This site (the name of the site indicates bad things, but the info is from published authors) cites some definitions: [17]

Descriptions of different types found in the Mid East from that sites:

ORIENTALID

Middle-Eastern/Central Asiatic Europid type, comprising the southern Arabid and northeastern Iranid varieties (in the typology of von Eickstedt). In some systems it is synomymous with Arabid. Carleton Coon, and others with him, considered all these types to be Mediterranids.

ARABID

Southern Orientalid type, primarily associated with Semitic-speaking populations of the Middle East, and typified by the Bedouin of Oman. Lundman distinguished a Syrid subvariety.

IRANID (Irano-Afghan (Coon))

The relatively tall, dolicho-mesocephalic, long-faced, high-headed and hook-nosed type prevalent in Iran, Afghanistan and adjacent territories. In the typology of von Eickstedt, it is an Orientalid subtype, which thereby relates it to the Arabid. Others regard it as an "East-Mediterranid"-Arabid blend, but the Iranid is morhologically more similar to Mediterranids and even Nordids (cf. Corded type) than to Arabids.

ARMENID (Assyroid (Deniker); vorderasiatischer Typus ("Hither-Asiatic type", Günther))

Mostly brunet, large-headed Taurid type, first carefully described by von Luschan (as Armenoid). It resembles the European Dinarid, with the main exceptions of greater absolute facial dimensions and a larger nose. Armenids are prevalent among Armenians, and common throughout the Middle East, where they blend with Arabids to produce an easily recognizable Middle Eastern phenotype (cf. Assyrid). According to Coon, the Armenid (Armenoid, in his typology) type is the result of dinaricization of Iranids (Irano-Afghans, in his typology). Cf. Anatolid, Caucasid.

ASSYRID

Mostly Armenoid blend with Arabid, of moderate stature and rather heavy build.

MEDITERRANID (Westisch ("Western", Günther))

A para-family of mostly brunet Europid types, all more or less dolichocephalic, orthognathous, meso- to leptorrhine, narrow-faced, fine-boned, and of medium head size. Mediterranids can be short-, medium- or tall-statured. The Mediterranid family, by no means a tightly knit group, subsumes the majority of peoples living in a belt running west to east from the Iberian peninsula and southern Italy, and throughout North Africa and the Black Sea area. Some anthropologists include Orientalids and even Indids in this already sprawling category. Some generally recognized Mediterranid types are Atlanto-Mediterranid, Gracile-Mediterranid and Pontid. The term is also used more specifically to refer to the Gracile-Mediterranid variety.

EAST-MEDITERRANID

Refers to the Mediterranid varieties, including Pontid, which are indigenous to the eastern Mediterranean areas. The term has also been applied to a larger selection of eastern European and Central Asian brunet dolichocephalic types, including Orientalids.

ANATOLID (Anadolid)

Mostly Armenoid blend with Mediterranid (mainly the old Cappadocid strain) which constitutes the prevalent racial type among the Turks (of Turkey). Anatolids are usually finer-featured, more leptomorphic and somewhat longer-headed than Armenids proper.

CAPPADOCID

A Mediterranid variety, prevalent in Asia Minor and adjacent areas in prehistoric times; nowadays it has largely blended with Armenoids (this blend is known as Anatolid).

FunkMonk 14:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Racy photos & Phoenicia/Zertida

The Sarmatian guy looks scary. I know now why the race people keep chasing you, I like those photos though. I am one of those who lost fait in the race/mideast, because you can find big racial variation just by looking at my own cousins! We are not as pure as your Nordic people. (no one invaded them, so the race remained isolated. Some areas in the mideast were overran by every race. SO you have to be a patient person to deal with that) , thats why I sent Nick your way = ). I added Phoenicia within the Arab world project, because its within the Arab world. And there was already some rubbish posts claiming the Phoenicians came from Africa! When the Britannica people clearly say that the Canannites are an Amorite extract. And the Amorites came from Arabia, mixed with the people of the levant. The ancient Arabians had no Negroid presence at all! (the modern South Arabians look darker, because of the Ethiopian invasion and later big slave Omani trade. This happenned after the 4th century AD).

• This is Zerida/Lanternix/Egyegy latest desperate attempt to block me! (HeShe is claiming I am a sock puppet group?!), add your opinion, maybe I am missing something! [18]

--Skatewalk 05:34, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

• Ask Fayssal to look into it... Maybe his admin tools can clear something out. FunkMonk 05:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)