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Greetings -- I was thinking about the question you posted at ANI and on Jpgordon's talk page -- I don't think we have a specific protocol. If someone is vandalizing multiple language wikis, a common occurrence, we can get them globally blocked at Meta, but in the case of a sockpuppeteer/POV-pusher active in only (?) two languages, usually we find someone who speaks both, and have that person post at the other wiki. Admin User:Future Perfect at Sunrise is reasonably active at de, and German is his native language, so that's one possibility. Do you know if there is a tool like this one for seeking out range contributions in other languages? Offhand I'd bet that particular user is even worse on de, as that's his native language (he's in, or near Vienna). Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 22:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Good call

Here. Normally I'm not in favour of closing discussion that are still ongoing - I've un-hatted a few myself - but there's nothing new being said; all that can happen now is more drama and bad feelings. :-P Matt Deres (talk) 22:13, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Big Shiny Tunes

You know what's strange? The Big Shiny Tunes article has had several of those non-free images on the article for years and they had never been complained about. But now since I try to update the album covers to better fitting sizes all of a sudden there's a problem. I'll also add that these images are covers of multi-platinum albums. How many Wikipedia articles of successful multi-platinum albums do you see without a cover? Not many. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewGoodfan101 (talk • contribs)

Hmm, maybe you would have been better to leave them alone then? We don't use non-free images as decoration, we use them for identification and education. An image is not necessary to teach the reader what a multi-platinum album cover looks like and it's not likely the reader will be left wondering whether the CD in the store is the "real" Big Shiny Tunes 5. I'm not the one you need to convince though, all I'm going to do is block you if you keep edit-warring. Get consensus from the community to include all the cover images - go to the article talk page, WP:MUSIC, one of the media noticeboards and present your case. If it makes sense others will agree and the images can go in. Just insisting on your version is not gonna get the job done. Franamax (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

@Franamax: he reinstated the images yet again. I've placed a uw-vandal4 warning on his talk page, and VernoWhitney has reverted the re-addition of the images. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:34, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, Franamax, for your actions at ANI. Most appreciated. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 02:54, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Dog

Refactored to originating user talk page per my preference. [1] Weird technical problem with Skype toolbar in Firefox on the other users end. Franamax (talk) 03:01, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Message moved from your user page. You might have never ever ever ever ever seen it otherwise.

Hello Franamax - I hope this gets to you, I saw your last helpful comments on my Hill (list) article as a "revision" note under a message when I logged in, but couldn't go the article discusssion page to respond because I presume it's been deleted already (can't search on it anymore anyway). I will recreate the article as you suggest in my "userspace", and am hopeful of collecting some historical and current third-party references for it. Great to hear your walking interests, I'm a RoW "monitor" for the Ramblers for 2 parishes near my home in liaison with the County Council, so that activity, plus leading and joining Ramblers group walks, plus other group and individual walking, keeps me fit and busy in retirement! Geocaching is an interesting idea, but I'd have to go to them all first to implement it!MVO Rambler (talk) 16:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Belated thanks to Sluzzelin. You are indeed correct that I might have never seen that. Usually when someone changes my upage it has to do with my ancestry or wearing of military footgear by the distaff side of my family. :) It's good to know someone's got my back for the useful changes as well as the useless ones! Franamax (talk) 22:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

FYI

Hi, I need your advice and it's private so I sent you another email. Would you mind taking a look when you get time? Thanks in advance, --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:43, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Received. Watching... Franamax (talk) 18:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)"...it doesn't seem as if it's going to stop short of you leaving the articles in question and allowing DocOfSoc to do whatever they want with the article(s)." This is what we call "a tell": way too much knowledge in way too short a time. There are other tells, and I'm about a heartbeat away from tagging, but not before a little querying. Cheers :> Doc talk 20:17, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Always welcome here. Yeah, I ticked a few items on the checklist. I've given specific advice, if they heed it and edit well, so much the better. Franamax (talk) 20:35, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll be nice to the user, I promise: this will only help foster good communication for them working with others on future edits here. I just want to be sure everything's "kosher", because there's been quite a flurry of activity recently. Thanks again :> Doc talk 20:50, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

• Note - Uhhhh, I think somebody made a mistake[2]: you might want to re-add your comment! I was about to respond to it and was like, "Where'd it go?" Cheers :> Doc talk 00:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I put that down to an oopsie, possibly in trying to figure out the edit-conflict screen, which I always avoid by copying my text and starting all over, Looks like a fun conversation down there, maybe I should read it. :) Anyway, answer away! (If you still remember it :) Franamax (talk) 01:08, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Heehee yeah - when you get that group going crazy on a thread, it's usually an instant zoo :> Raul was trying to get his piece in, because someone will close that one down soon, I'd bet. 3...2...1... ;> Doc talk 01:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

I just sent another email out to you and to be honest I am quite agitated about the accusations being thrown around against editors like me and Doc9871. Now we have railroaded and set her up? Add that to your fist waving and we are now being called worse than the troll, is that the case going on here? We are accused of using Verizon to set her up with the edits too, what is going on? Would the project prefer her over us at this point? I'm sure that can be arranged if that is what everyone wants. I am upset and I think rightfully too. See the latest exchange then your email. I need cooling off, --CrohnieGal^Talk 11:17, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Got it and responded. Hopefully everyone will take a deep breath. That's why I try to stay far away from AN/I, or in immortal words from the past, the "crazy den of pigs" full of "ringworm snot". ;) Franamax (talk) 20:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for not clarifying the "e-mail" thing at AN/I initially: I'm still questioning what's going on, and am waiting for answers there and at talk pages. The questions have been posed, and the answers are being waited on. Doc talk 01:23, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Ah yes, the joys of indented threading. No apology necessary. :) Franamax (talk) 02:20, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks for understanding... Snot! Cockrings! Pussywillow! Suuuuuck-nut?!? Ball-hair! BALL-HAIR!!! Heh! Sorry: I guess I should just now probably mention that I suffer from Tourette's syndrome, and that this, naturally, excuses me from selective bouts of incivility. What... you don't believe me? I'm still actually held responsible for my words and actions here? Why, that's just plain discrimination! Well, then I demand that Wikipedia revdelete my above admission of Tourette's syndrome, as this could actually damage me (actual legal name "Doc9871") in "real life". It's clearly WP:OUTING not to delete this information, and any editor that I'm edit-stalking that makes mere mention of it again when identifying my socks will receive off-wiki legal notices from me."

It wasn't Tourette's (and nothing has been revdeleted), but welcome to the party, pal! ;> Doc talk 02:41, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

You shouldn't joke about that, Bart Simpson had Tourette's for a few weeks. Anyway it wasn't me it was my cousin. He caught my Tourette's and somehow snuck in to my computer but I'm OK now and he went back to France or else he would tell you himself. :) But seriously, it's completely OK to have a mental (or physical) disability, so long as you also have an adaptation strategy. So I think in this case where you have a problem with blurting out inappropriate statements, I would suggest you set a rule for yourself that you always wait an hour before you save an edit on a talk page, use preview and keep going back to understand why each word you want to save is important. Where you said "pussywillow", what were you trying to tell me? If you don't remember, you should take it out before you hit save. If that works and people start complaining less about you, keep doing it. <-- That of course is not actual advice to you but is an example of my thinking on the approach. I do think it's important to maintain an environment that's welcoming to editors of all levels of ability, but at the same time they need to be willing to work with us to develop strategies that let them contribute here without being disruptive. There are no free passes. And of course it the whole thing is a play, be ready for the typical reaction from Wikipedians when they find their trust has been abused. Franamax (talk) 03:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Conduct

Thread moved from my Talk page in keeping with my policy stated at the top of that page. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 08:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi CA3, I've been mulling this contribution of yours for a while now. I've resolved that your leading wording concerning a registered editor constitutes a personal attack and a continuation of the behaviour for which you were previously blocked. You may disagree with this assessment, however I intend to block you from editing if you repeat such. Please ask here if you need clarification on the terms, but at the same time please do not comment on other editors as you have done in the noted diff. Ideally we would conduct this entire conversation here on your own talk page, but I do recoognize your exploit of that fun dance where you insist that discussion of your own behaviour must happen anywhere other than on your own talk page. Of course I'll just copy everything back here to keep things coherent. Just for interest though, I (and many others) do keep an eye out for changes on others' talk pages and respond quickly, so it's not strictly necessary as I will be watching here. Franamax (talk) 23:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

As WP:BLP states: Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 08:17, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

CA3, what in the world does WP:BLP have to do with this? Certainly it's not relevant to material describing an anonymous Wikipedia editor. Sorry if I'm a little dense, but I don't follow. -- Scray (talk) 16:33, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

It possibly has to do with the editor being targeted using their real name to edit here, and maybe a suggestion that his comment should be removed as a BLP violation. I dunno, and no, BLP is really not the relevant policy here. I am talking about creating a negative environment for another editor (WP:HARASS) and continuing disruptive behaviour, both of which are reasons for blocking. Sure, I can try to fit BLP violations in there too, but there's only so much room on the form you fill out to block. So long as CA3 stops the behaviour, it doesn't matter what policy governs. Franamax (talk) 17:10, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I thought Cuddlyable3 was referring to the cited characterization by Steve Baker on Steve's talk page of recent RD-talk-page contributors as a long list of disruptive types, without even providing a WP:RS for that characterization. But, if so, I mean if that was what Cuddlyable3 mentioned WP:BLP for, then quoting that characterization on the RD-talk-page was not doing what WP:BLP says to do about it (see above). Otherwise, I'm not sure what he meant. But I think he should probably try to be extra-special nice and accommodating while he is still coming off his still-recent blocks for being disruptive in the way it was agreed at the time he was. Hi Franamax, thanks for use of your talk page for this, have a nice day! :) WikiDao ☯ (talk) 17:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Blanket allusions to disruptive editors is not a BLP violation. It may be other things, but not a BLP problem. References to pseudonyms such as "WikiDao" and "Franamax" are not BLP violations. If you say "Franamax is a jerk" it will make me cry, but I'm a Wikipedia editor, not a living person. :) Franamax (talk) 01:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Account impossible

It still keeps asking my e-mail, when i put my real one in, it said log in error, missing confermation code, then i tried making it up, again, i deleted the e-mail address thing and again with the "missing confermation code." what's with that? -- Comet Egypt204.112.104.172 (talk) 15:23, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Hardy (hill)

Hello again - I have added some notability material and references to my draft article in my user space "User:MVO Rambler/Hardy (hill)". Is this enough yet for acceptance (I can provide scanned images of the various references or third party references to them if these are needed - but how! - temporarily add them to the photo gallery on my website www.thehardys.org?). The notes in square brackets are for further expected references, but nothing certain yet. By the way, had a scare just now - responded to the Founder's appeal for donations, paid through PayPal, got redirected back - and found me and all my stuff had disappeared, seems I'd got onto another separate admin area for UK Wiki - got worried for a while, then found the way back, and there I was again!MVO Rambler (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

List of banned users

Good morning, I've reverted your change to the language at the list of banned users. For an explanation of why, please see Wikipedia:BAN#Difference_between_bans_and_blocks and Wikipedia:BAN#Decision_to_ban. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 14:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

I just came here to tell you that what you thought was our safety net just got reverted again to the previous version. Now what are we supposed to do? Thanks, --CrohnieGal^Talk 15:00, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

That looks to me like a hole big enough to drive a truck through. I've asked about it here. It makes no sense to me that you risk a block for doing the right thing. Franamax (talk) 20:43, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

You have that right. It's unbelievable. I'll see you there and will let Doc 1 know about the discussion too. Please keep me advised though in case I miss anything. Thanks, --CrohnieGal^Talk 20:50, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, in case you missed this, a comment was made here. I asked if he would comment since no one was responding and he was in the discussion above. I may also pop over to some of the other editors that have commented in the section above to see if I can get more editors active, feel free to do so too. I would really like to get the banning policy talked about with the questions you have asked. Hope you are well, --CrohnieGal^Talk 10:13, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Love Hurts Tour

Hey, seeing you are involved in articles regarding Cher, could you comment in the good article reassessment of the Love Hurts Tour? Thanks, Xwomanizerx (talk) 04:11, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Heh, you totally got the wrong music fan there. You don't want my comments on Cher, honest. :) Franamax (talk) 04:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Warning about edit war attempts

Replied at user talk page

Hi Franamax, I report you message here: Hello Amending, in your edit summary here you appear to indicate an intention to edit war at our Athens article. Please be aware that this sort of activity can and will result in temporary removal of your editing privilege. Also be aware that, while the three-revert rule is a "bright-line" offense, blocks for edit-warring can be made for fewer than four reverts. You need to discuss your concerns at the article talk page and attempt to reach consensus with other editors on the article content. Franamax (talk) 21:02, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

In the Athens article and some other ones, several assertions and reference have been entered by some users with different IP with one detail in common: to plead implicitly or explicitly heat, warm, being warmer than being the warmestetcecera. Some strong sentences with missing references (the source did not say that at all) were entered earlier. I detected and dropped those statements and reported the cases in Talk (and the fact that they were actually unsupported by the mentioned source) and short time later similar assertions were re-entered once again with references that, once checked, were found not to say that at all once again. Referencing is a awfully serious thing of course and missing references may not be tolerated at all as they undermine the trust in referenceing in essence and potentially slander authors by spoon-feeding them with things they have not said. I had reported those unpleasant cases in Talk, reporting the check process and its outcomes, and my report was dropped (a couple of days ago or yesterday maybe) and I had as response some personal attacks and offending niknames (but nobody detected the violation of rules in such case); maybe by hand of this same editor writing unproved sentences with wrong references in Athens article or maybe others. A relevant side of Athens urban climate and Athens climatological record (we talk about Athens climate in that section) is that of the urban heat island, which is a phenomenon impacting urban temperatures and measurment of temperatures in urban areas: urban climate and urban climatology) and I have entered a couple of sentences (similar to those asked by the user Athenean here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAthens&action=historysubmit&diff=397566366&oldid=397565548 ). Such sentences have been deleted, I guess because they may inspire the idea that Athens is so warm in summer also with the aid of its urban heat island. In front of the evidence that false sentences with wrong references had been entered by somebody and documented and referenced scientific findings I entered had been dropped, I re-entered them sometimes with small changes other times unchanged and they were again deleted; then an "academic" resistence has been tried by somebody, for instance by adding to them sentences of older articles reporting facts appearing to deny such urban heat island or its impact on temperature time-series of Athens that in fact at the time of the article where not fully discovered yet but today are overdocumented. The point here is that overwhelming evidence of contemporary research about UHI and impact in measures of temperature has been opposed by the use of a 25 years ago article with graphs drawn by hand and written when important parts of the phenomenon were yet to be discovered. So I progressively entered, as I wrote in Talk, strong, and stronger, and again stronger scientific evidende. Notice that my aim was defending the content of my two sentences. I am quite aware that 95% wikipedia readers can not understand much of that material and are not interested in, and the two sentences would be OK for them. But each time a scientific finding got opposed a fig leaf, I entered a finding that rejected it and depicted better the phenomenon. This is how and why the size of the paragraph (a couple of sencences initially) grew up. During this process I detected other case of missing reference (scientific works indicated for references, but without really saying that). When the block got really granitic in scientific content and accuracy and most of potential diversions had been discovered and rejected, it was deleted. Now, I have inserted in the Climate section of the Athens article a version of the Urban Heat Island subsection (without creating subsections) given by 3 sentences (I am going to collapse it into two sentences), and that is all what I claim must be said about Athens UHI and what I wanted till the first edit. Now I have to edit it adding "upwards" because I forgot to make explicit which is the effect of Athens UHI in Athens climatological record, and I expect another drop as an outcome of this because it seems that the fact that Athens has a UHI inflating its temperatures and strings of scientists have said that is not welcome for somebody. By the way you are informed. (Notice I do not mention users at all; you can identify them by yourself). Sequences of edits and entries have been made in the Athens article and others that clearly seem aimed to drive the public perception of Athens climatic features offered by the Athens article in Wikipedia, aimed to promote a representation of warm, extreme warm, being warmest ecetera etcetera with the use of missing references (references to authors and works that did not say that at all) and in some case missing references were replaced throu other missing reference (I guess, that was a mockery for readers or other editors). In other articles, sentences that appeared to put into question that propaganda about Athens have been attacked, and in other Athens-related articles the request of references has been deleted without providing any reference or quotation (see for instance Eleusina). Final, legitimate informations of climatic relevance for the Athens article have been dropped, in my opinion for the undesired evidence they provide that not all of Athens heat is naturally based. Well, now tell me: what shall I do? Do you prefer I leave rubbish and references to authors and works that do not say what imputed to them at all, manipulations and adulterations of well established scientific findings and, final, censorings of it? I suggest you to investigate about this. I do not believe ghosts; there are trackable human hands behind this. Can you suggest me the proper channel to denounce this via the institutional Wikipedia control mechanisms? Best regards. Amending (talk) 17:01, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi

Franamax my edit in Athens article stems from the fact that there is past personal history between me and the specific user in an Italian meteorological forum.His side claiming that Athens is not as warm as I have presented it officially with comparative WMO station data.This in my opinion have caused the specific user to revert to wikipedia and start a debate which is clearly academic!My references are well balanced ,albeit some in Greek and his probable difficulty to translate the documents do not mean that my references are rubish etc .The fact that I have consistently shown in various European meterological forums that Athens is by far the warmest area of Europe during the summer might cause reactions and objections but this does not mean that a whole debate using the UHI as a vehicle should be transfered here Please find the link of the Italian forum the topic of reference to get an idea.Most of it is in English.The user with the name Amending here is the user using the name Borat in this thread (he himself has mentioned in the Athens discussion) I am the user with the nick Mesogeiakos. http://forum.meteonetwork.it/meteorologia/56579-atene-forno-123.html

I am merely bringing this to your attention so you will understand that there is a strong past personal history between my self and the specific user and that in my opinion the UHI article is used as a vehicle to start a debate specifically for Athens all over again.Thanks!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 04:21, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I have also answered in the UHI an Athens discussion talk pages —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 05:07, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

You have no right to lecture me

Take heed. Others will see through your threats. Poor manners will not be tolerated. Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

An indef block a day, will keep imposters away. GoodDay (talk) 19:36, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Dang it! I already ordered up the popcorn for delivery. I wonder if I can still call and cancel... Franamax (talk) 19:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry, it got delivered to me but won't go to waste. ;) --CrohnieGal^Talk 19:59, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

If you wouldn't mind

Hi, I hate going to boards so if it wouldn't be a bother would you semi- protect Curt Cobain article? As you can see, the only edits for days are reverting vandalism. Thank you in advance, --CrohnieGal^Talk 13:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Just passing through

Hey there, I'm just passing through the desks and I notice what is almost certainly trolling by someone who knows the desks fairly well [3]. They've got two obvious medical advice questions on the desk at the moment, chosen (and removing answers) to cause maximum dispute among regulars, I'd guess. I'm not going to be here long enough to maintain and support any action I take, and I am, in any case, not empowered to do anything ultimately effective. I hope you're in right now... Skittle (talk) 15:13, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Comet Egypt

Look at the editor's history before chastising me. And I'm not "hosting" a discussion. If editors wish to make comments to me, that's between me and them. That does not give Comet Egypt the right to repeatedly message me with nonsense and threats that have nothing to do with previous "dire" (your word) warnings. No offense, I'm sure you are acting in good faith, but if you want to criticize someone, please look at the entire situation and criticize all involved. I think you jumped without thinking in this matter. Funny thing: I can't get an admin to consider a block for an editor who repeatedly adds unsourced and intentionally incorrect information even though I provide a long list of diffs. Now I get a hostile comment from an admin for warning an editor about repeated disruptive editing. Thank you. Cresix (talk) 18:08, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

(e/c from an hour ago, didn't notice when I hit save) I'll get to N-I-M too, I'm well aware of the situation. Keep in mind that this is a wiki. You do not own your talk page, although you have wide latitude in how you manage it. There is no "between me and them" here. You have chosen to leave a section title naming an editor on your page, again, don't be surprised if they comment therein. Relax, I will be adding more criticism of "all involved" later today. In the meantime, please moderate your tone. For instance, rather than terming addition of unsourced material as vandalism, you could be explaining why sources are required and how repeated addition of unsourced material can be considered disruptive. Franamax (talk) 19:52, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

(current) My comment was in response to your admonition on N-I-M's page alleging harrassment and threatening a block. It's never wise to predict the outcome of an AN/I complaint. Franamax (talk) 19:52, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm relaxed, thanks. A few comments and corrections. I never said I own my talk page. My point is that if editors wish to communicate with me about NIM they do it on my talk page; that is not "hosting a discussion"; again, your action was in good faith, but your comment was over the line. Secondly, I have not predicted the outcome of an ANI; I'm simply letting NIM know what the possible consequences of repeated harrasssment can be. My admonition to NIM was perfectly appropriate IF you look at his edit history (both with username and as an anon) in articles, with me, and with others. Now, if you had gone to the trouble to "adding more criticism of "all involved" later today" before first jumping down my throat, my reaction might have been different. I was commenting to another admin who is equally disgusted with NIM's disruptive editing that I have seen some stellar admins on Wikipedia, but not in this NIM situation. You still have not convinced me otherwise. A few admins are first class; most are hard-working champions of the integrity of Wikipedia; a few encourage disruptive behavior by ignoring such behavior and going after the constructive editors. I haven't made up my mind about you yet. In any event, thanks the good faith part of your messages to me. Cresix (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

bless you franamax!

Bless you Frannamax, for helping me at least get my point across. User:Comet Egypt (talk) 02:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

TorNodeBot

I left some additional comments at the discussion; I hope you take a look at them. I will make every effort to address your concerns, but I would appreciate it if you didn't bounce off the wall with some of your comments. For example, your comment that my bot was making wild port scans was, to be quite frank, a blatant lie (though I assume this was unintentional). If you have any questions on how it works, please feel free to ask, but making assumptions like those are not going to help the discussion at all. --Shirik (Questions or Comments?) 02:09, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Edits

Hi, haven't heard from you so am checking in. I am frankly surprised myself at what I am finding. I would like give you a further explanation, but not here, and I can't find your e-mail addy. I am really sorry, and upset with the errors I have found this far. Mea Culpa... Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 10:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC) I found it! Email to follow, manana. DocOfSoc (talk) 10:12, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

advice please

Hey Franamax, On List of WordGirl characters, people keep putting that Emily was seen without her clothes and that she was in Tampa Florida on June 6th with her supposed brother named Eli. This is completely unsourced, and i have reverted the edits again and again, only for people to keep putting them back. What can i do, see Here to answer. There are edits such as at this edit that say she was seen without clothes and that she was in Tampa with her brother Eli. Thanks, and please help asap, thanks. PS: how am i doing with my links? N.I.M. (talk) 04:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be such a big deal that I would do anyting about it administratively, not yet at least. I would say just revert the edits with "rv unsourced, see talk page" in the edit summary. If it's the same IP adding the info, you can ask them on their talk page to supply a source. Remember that (unlike what you were told) adding unsourced material is not necessarily vandalism, although it is disruptive if done over and over. If it keeps happening several times a day, or for days on end, we can look at blocking editors or semi-protecting the article - but generally we tolerate low-level silliness, as long as someone is watching the article and reverting when needed. If it gets really bad though, ping me again. I've watchlisted the article but might miss things. Franamax (talk) 06:04, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, i'll be watching the article, and how am i doing in the links? i learned yesterday. N.I.M. (talk) 13:41, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Edit war?

Holey creeps! Every time we undo the nonsense about the bathing suit and the tampa visit, someone comes along and undoes the revert, the nerv of some people! N.I.M. (talk) 22:56, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Assistance Please

Hello, to let you know I am a bit better But need assistance On Pasadena, California Article. As Kafziel suggested I wrote a very nice and polite letter to Grayshi on the talk page to hopefully jump start a real discussion. I hope it is proper to ask you for a 3rd opinion, I would rather not start a formal process, but will do whatever you say. Waiting with bated breath. Thanks for "Listening." Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 20:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Note: this dispute at Pasadena is currently listed at WP:3O. ॐ WikiDao ☯ (talk) 20:15, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Quick script request

I have a feeling that this is a trivial script for someone that knows how to write such things. I'm interested in getting a list of edits where User:Colonel Warden has undone a redirect, and seeing whether he ever mentions it in an edit summary. I suspect that it's a long list, and I further suspect that he never mentions it.—Kww(talk) 01:43, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

It would likely be fairly easy indeed to query the API for the article version immediately before each edit and just check the length, <50 chars or so would indicate a redirect. Unfortunately I'm not really set up for that kind of scripting, my stuff is much more ponderous. If I wanted that in a hurry I would go ask Betacommand, though I think he changed over to "triangle" (the delta symbol) as a username. I've looked at code of Steve Summit's in the past (User:Ummit) that I think could be used in a Cygwin shell script, if I get time tomorrow I'll take a look for it. But I would advise you to ask Beta for now. Franamax (talk) 06:06, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Would you please again block?

Hi, she is back with another account. Would you please block this one too? Thanks in advance, --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:13, 15 December 2010 (UTC) Please don't block. Everything is ok — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pairofzebralegs (talk • contribs) 17:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

No it's not, now leave me alone. --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Never mind another administrator saw what was going on and blocked this editor. Hopefully she'll give up now and just leave me alone. I struck her comment but feel free to delete or archive this if you wish to. Thanks though, --CrohnieGal^Talk 17:56, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Irregardless?

Thread moved from my Talk page. Cuddlyable3 (talk) 23:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Your understanding expressed here, "It is now a blockable offence...", is incorrect.

[4] [5] [6] Cuddlyable3 (talk) 23:06, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Consensus among the RD community is that your own particular input is not needed. I can provide the permalink for your review if you wish.

Your immediately previous post, yes, good one, too bad no-one has taken your bait (so far). You and I both know that you would never make that mistake.

Please try to play it straight. If you have a problem with my restrictions/threats on you, ask at the admin noticeboard. No-one else in the WT:RD thread raised grammospell issues, only you. I was fairly impressed with the way you stated your viewpoint in that thread, though I disagree with it - right up until your last 2 points. Franamax (talk) 03:26, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry (IP) Christmas

Wiki-IP-Santa says, Merry Christmas!

IP Santa-editor says Merry Christmas to Franamax! (And be kind to your 'clocks', free range or not!) - 220.101 talk^\Contribs 00:42, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Heh, thanks for the wishes and the memory of that particular laugh. :) I've since rediscovered my passion for geocaching, so my life is now actually ruled completely by batteries and the reliability and remaining life thereof. When you've hiked 10 km into the BC backcountry, you really want your GPS receiver to keep working. I still don't trust those hens not to rise up against me though, unlike some of my friends, I always bring a trusty 'ol compass too. Unless the appliances and the Earth's geodynamo form a conspiracy, I should be covered... Merry Xmas to you too! Franamax (talk) 06:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for all your help about Catherine Thompson, and rationale of posts about "Cathy"

Thanks for helping me about what to do about finding more on Catherine Thompson, as sune as my connection's security is fixed, i'll try some of that stuff. The reason i did all those posts on the ref desk and other places in the article, is because like i mention on the talk page for the ref desk, i have gotten messages that indirectly state that the author of the message doesn't think that i'm right, or at least that's part of what i understand. I understand she is not totaly notable, but she does deserve mention. Voice acting isn't exactly a piece of cake, i would know. You have to get your lines right, make your voice change to what the director wants, which is not always easy and takes some practice, etc. etc. Anyway, thanks for helping me, you are a good friend. I've coppied this message to the others who have helped me with Catherine Thompson and her work on Biz Kid$. N.I.M. (talk), the biz kid, 05:30, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia 10

The Interior cordially invites you to the Vancouver Wikipedia 10th Anniversary Meetup! It is being held at Benny's Bagels at 2505 W Broadway. Meetup will start at 6:30pm. Drop by for some Wikipedia-style conviviality and free gear! Feel free to forward this invitation to any Wikipedians who might be able to attend, and visit the discussion page to suggest activities. Hope to see you there and have a Happy 2011!

Thanks for your co-coordination on the discussion page. How many people came out for the 2008 meetup, BTW? The Interior(Talk) 16:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

ANI notification

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. GiantSnowman 02:18, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Taken care of, alls that needs done is that block threat canceled. God Bless, N.I.M. I miss you go behind the line. 03:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Gulbis

can you tell me the difference of this:

"In 2009, Gulbis was convicted and charged with the solicitation of a prostitute in Stockholm, Sweden, he plead guilty to the charge and was fined 2,500 SEK." Globe and Mail

"His other grandfather, Uldis Pūcītis, was a popular actor and film director." [no citation]

I don't understand your rationale. if something is embarrassing it should be deleted? why on the dennis rodman page does it list everything from drug problems to domestic abuse?74.14.35.98 (talk) 18:50, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The issue is not if it is embarrassing, it's whether it is relevant, which generally is covered by our WP:UNDUE guideline. It was sourced to a blog section of the paper. A Telegraph article has a much more balanced account where he says it is no big deal. A few lesser blogs mention it. It doesn't affect a sponsorship agreement or break up a marriage or cast a team in a bad light, nor is it, say, a politician who is tough on prostitution who is getting caught. It didn't seem all that important so I felt it was better if left out unless better wording and sourcing can be done. Franamax (talk) 08:15, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Agree with concerns about N.I.M.'s username

Hi Franamax. I agree with the concern you expressed in your recent comment at AN/I[7] about NIM's username.
I thought your effort to address that concern at WP:UAA[8] (now at RFC/NAME) was more warranted than the responders there seemed to think at the time (that was recently closed[9] with the result Allow before I'd had a chance to comment about it there too).
If I were to want to raise the issue again, in light of recent developments with NIM, and with some expansion on what the issue is and why it may be problematic to refer to a living person in a WP username in this particular case, what would be the best way for me to go about that? Is there a formal process for petitioning to have a recently-closed thread re-opened? Would starting a new thread there under the same username-of-concern be inappropriate?

A google search on the name of the living person mentioned in NIM's username returns NIM's userpage as hit #8 at present. That connection may very likely be unwelcome to the person in question given the nature of NIM's activity at WP, which has included such insensitivity to BLP issues as to frequently declare (as part of NIM's signature, eg. [10])) sentiments such as "I miss you nissae!" and "Elena Apostoleanu go behind the line!". NIM comes across as an obsessed fan trying to insinuate a direct relationship to minor celebs (N.I.'s MAN!) that is very likely to be entirely imaginary and would in any case be inappropriate to mention in this context in that way. Given NIM's persistent and time-consuming problems with conduct and content and controversy at WP, NIM's use of that actress's name in his/her username amounts to just a lot of "bad press" for that actress, and I don't think WP should continue to permit that. WikiDao ☯ 22:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

And an equally high-ranking hit is to a mirror-site that preserves deleted Wikipedia content, an article created by - guess who?! (Though nothing we can do about that now) Unless something develops from the current AN/I thread, I think the best way ro go is to bring the issue up again at RFC/NAME, with more support beyond just the username itself, i.e. the sig and accumulated threads. I'd also been planning on contacting the named person's publicist as a courtesy heads-up, suggesting that if they have a problem with it to contact Wikipedia through WP:OTRS, in which case I'm pretty sure we would act quickly - and if not, I'd raise hell about it here myself. Seems like it can be hard to get editors here to focus on real-world impacts sometimes, though to be fair to the folks at RFC/NAME they were considering just the name at the time, not the behaviour since. Franamax (talk) 02:30, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's what it looked like, though I think there were both "behavioral" and "content" causes for concern even then...

Anyway, I will probably start a "NIM revisited" thread at RFC/NAME in maybe a day or two (if that sort of persistence is tolerated there..;), unless you or someone else does so first, and depending on the course the ANI thread takes and any further developments there may be about this point there.

I think that would be a good idea, to contact N.I.'s people just to make them aware of the potential problem here, and giving them a chance to weigh in on it.

It's unfortunate that it's come to this, but, really, I think something ought to be done at this point. Regards, WikiDao ☯ 04:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Actually, reading over the policy a few times, I agree it's not being violated of itself, so they would likely tell you to take it to AN (not ANI) as the correct forum. Probably best to let it sit for a while though, to see if there's any improvement. Franamax (talk) 08:43, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Just a point to raise, you're talking about my girlfriend here, i don't like you doing that, it is making me feel uneasy. you're freaking me out now, please stop. By the way, I think that you guys need to think about the reason why i call myself <redacted>. Not just an imaginary thing or something, i call myself that because i am, I just haven't seen her in a while, hence the I miss you <redacted> part. When i do see her again, the I miss you <redacted> will be replaced with "I come in peace", a line used by alien characters that come to earth, as i am a big space fan. I think you need to believe me when i say i do know her. N.I.M. I miss you Go behind the line. 10:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Are you saying that you have a close or imtimate relationship with N.I.? Franamax (talk) 10:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, i do. She is my GF, which is why I named my account as such. P.S. If anyone asks about it I asked her to deny it, she recently e-mailed me to please change the signature to just "Miss you" instead of "I miss you <redacted>" so done. N.I.M. miss you. Go behind the line. 11:56, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Rename to Comet Egypt

Hi (formerly) N.I.M., you are now User:Comet Egypt and you should be able to login under the new name using the same password (unless a new password has been emailed to you). Contact me via my email link if you have any problems logging in. Note that you are still blocked from editing as I explain on your talk page. Franamax (talk) 02:54, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Party time

Thanks for the notice. I had already seen it on the ten.wikimedia site, and planned to attend. Maybe I'll try to sell a few $10 memberships to Wiki Canada while I'm there. Eclecticology (talk) 10:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

The Economist vol 92 (1921)

Hi, this is a bit of a long-shot picked up from WP:REX - do the records from The Economist to which you have access go back as far as 1921, volume 92? I'm trying to find out as much as I can about two related companies, having massively expanded the entry at Churchill Machine Tool Company. Page 986 of vol. 92 appears to have a reference to the rather elusive Walter Chamberlain, who was a director of several companies including Churchill and was related to Joseph Chamberlain. There are lots of other hits for Churchill in the periodical but this one could well fill a bit of a hole as it appears to relate to his death. I'd be grateful if you could assist but no worries if it is not possible or you have too much other stuff on your plate. Sitush (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I can only go back to 1997, which annoys me because I've subscribed for far longer than that. I think there may be some sort of super-premium subscription to go earlier than that but I don't have it. I draw a blank in my library system too. Looks like you're going to have to fly to London. ;) Or maybe someone else at the REX will have that better subscription. Franamax (talk) 21:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

That's ok. I thought it was a long shot. Thanks very much for trying. I'll try pulling some strings with a good friend of mine who is a member of the House of Lords. I guess that's what the old boy network is for,and it might save me a trip to the dreaded London. I'm a country boy at heart ;) Sitush (talk) 21:45, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

LOL yes, seven mm of snow could fall and you would be trapped there for weeks. ;) (I'm Canadian, so I chuckle at what counts as "difficult winter weather" elsewhere :) Franamax (talk) 22:11, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm currently doing some IT work for Mine Radio Systems, a Canadian company. Their top boys are over here and I've been embarrassed 'cos I know exactly how pitiful the UK situation is re: snow etc. The lowest temp I've ever camped at in the UK was only -17C, at which point nothing seemed to be working at all except the male's natural facility to de-ice a frozen tent zip. Ahem. You know what I'm talking about, especially if prior to said action the male has been drinking in a bar. Thanks again: if ever I'm trying to write something up about a UK company that has not gone bust or did so since 1997, I know who to turn to for odd bits of info. Very grateful. Sitush (talk) 00:23, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

sorry from Comet Egypt

Hello, it's Comet Egypt. I'd leave a message on my talk page under my username, but I have been blocked from editing it too. I just want to say that I'm sorry for causing trouble, and I hope that you and Toddst1 realize that I meant no wrong in any of my actions. I never knew that what i was saying about "you know what" was against pollicy, i'm still not 100% familliar with all the pollicies, but I realize that I was wrong. Can I make a request to be unblocked now? Even if I can't be unblocked now, can I at least ask to be unblocked on Feb 13, for my talk page, and for a full unblock on Feb 20? P.S. If you have any replies, could you please leave them on the Comet Egypt talk page? thanks, Comet Egypt, 204.112.104.172 (talk) 23:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hi, please look at my contributions and see the garbage that is being revdel that Skag is putting on there. If you get there first would you please revdel that last comment and if you wouldn't mind would you semi protect my page for a few weeks to a month or longer to stop her? We had a family member die yesterday in a violent death and I would like to be able to come here without the stress she is bringing to me because my state of mind is, for good reason, stress out and depressed. I'm not sure what can be done but it almost seems like I have to leave the project to get relief from her. It's just not right. Anyways, any help you can give me would really be appreciated. Feel free to email me if you would like. Thanks in advance and I hope you are well. --CrohnieGal^Talk 00:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I got back to my computer a few minutes too late. I'm sorry to hear of such a terrible loss and I wish you strength at getting through it. I'll try to keep an eye out for any other shenanigans. I'm not sure what more can be done except to keep track of all the IP's used to possibly file an abuse report with the service provider. Franamax (talk) 01:12, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your kindness. He died in the Virgin Islands and the news reports just started yesterday. Also thanks, I'd appreciate you keeping an eye on my page since I expect her to show up with throw away accounts like last time. I just wish she'd leave me alone. :( Don't know what I've done for this BS but I'm sick of it already. Thanks though, I appreciate any and all help.  :) --CrohnieGal^Talk 12:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Sock puppetry

Hello Franamax. Yes I'm User:Money is tight. The reason I registered this account was because I wanted to ask some question about music on the reference desk and I felt it was a bit (shameful). Is that ok with wikipedia's policies? If not you can delete this account. I'm not a vandal or trying to support my own arguments you can check my account User:Money is tight contributions I mostly just ask questions. Thanks. Gud music only (talk) 01:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

You also made one edit to a maths article, that is where you can get into trouble if you do it wrong. I don't see a problem with using it just to ask music questions ao long it it's linked to your main account - which kind of takes away the reason you want to have the account. I wouldn't worry about being embarassed about asking a question at the RD's, no-one cares what music you listen to, as long as it's a genuine question. Franamax (talk) 02:03, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Replied at User talk:Gud music only (just reply there in the future). Gud music only (talk) 02:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Oops

I was gonna edit a math page because I thought there was a mistake but realized this was the wrong account. The page is homotopy extension property. I reverted my edit you can check the history. Just wanted to let you know so you wont suspect me doing anything fishy :D. Gud music only (talk) 14:54, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Another oops

re: [11] thanks for fixing that. :) I was in the middle of writing it when I had to go afk for a bit and when I came back I just hit save. It was nice meeting you too btw. -- œ^™ 19:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

And another

Just to let you know that I posted this [12] to admin Scott MacDonald's talk unaware that at more or less the same time you were dealing with the issue. Sorry about that. I'll put another note on his talk. Writegeist (talk) 06:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Email question

Hi, I noticed the email questions you posted at Bushranger's RfA. I may be ignorant of a relevant policy, but as far as I'm aware, unlike stewards etc, admins aren't required to disclose off-wiki details? And even stewards aren't required to disclose them publicly. I'm concerned that putting pressure on a candidate to disclose off-wiki contact details during an RfA may be inappropriate. (I'm honestly putting this as a question - can you convince me I have no cause for concern?) - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:28, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

• Oops, forgot that Wikipedia mediates to conceal the email address. So, less of a concern, but I'm still of the belief that there's nothing requiring an admin to be available off-wiki, especially as admins are specifically not required to ever use their admin privileges. Am I wrong? - DustFormsWords (talk) 05:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Yep, I tried not to frame it as an either/or threat to oppose. So far as I know, all features of the user interface are optional. Nevertheless, admins have an implied requirement to be available for possibly sensitive communication IMO - and it's not all that hard to set up anonymized email, so long as you can exercise restraint in clicking on the links people send you. The MediaWiki email interface is not a security threat, 'tis only replying to the results that may cause difficulty. Franamax (talk) 05:45, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

That all presupposes that you trust Wikipedia with (even anonymised) contact details in the first place, but it's a reasonable answer. Personally, I think refusing to solicit emails is just the same as declining to work in CSD or not wanting to do anti-vandalism - admins have the right to pick and choose which admin work they will and won't do - and I'd argue against an oppose on the basis of an answer to this question - but thank you for your polite reply, which is certainly food for thought! - DustFormsWords (talk) 06:01, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Old but curious

Hi Franamax - I'm puzzled as to why this exists (Also the related page here plus the table entry here). I was not running for ArbCom or any other such office, so I find the fact that this was requested and conducted (and remains posted) without my consent or knowledge just all seems, well, a bit out-of-order. Manning (talk) 07:50, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm puzzled too, I can ask Sandy why she made that request if you like. I'm sure there was some obvious reason at the time, but I can't recall it now. Anyway, I deleted the sub-page and table entry. In retrospect I suppose it would have been a little more polite to let you know - but I was stuck in software-world at the time. Apologies. Franamax (talk) 15:52, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Meh, no real harm done. I was just a bit puzzled that's all. Cheers Manning (talk) 10:59, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Harper's Magazine

I see that you have access to Harper's Magazine's online archives. Do they cover music? It would be very much appreciated if you could please search for a review of Usher's My Way, or any other info to do with the song "You Make Me Wanna". Thanks. Adabow (talk · contribs) 07:46, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Oops, sorry to respond late, and even sorrier to say that I dropped my Harper's subscription a few months ago and haven't updated on-wiki yet, so I can't check the archives. However I can say that from everything I know from a decade of reading Harper's, they wouldn't write about Usher ever ever ever - unless maybe there was some overarching literary or philosophical theme involved that Usher was a convenient starting point for. Definitely not the kind of magazine that reviews pop music per se, only in a "meta" sense - so no, I don't think I can find anything useful for you. BTW, you should check your local library system. Mine has free access to loads of online archives, free with my (free unless you consider property taxes to the city) subscription. Not all library systems do that, but worth a try. Good luck! Franamax (talk) 05:10, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Hehe, thanks anyway. I was kinda desperate for reviews, so I thought I might try it. :P I've tried my library's archive, although New Zealand newspapers aren't that good at covering pop culture. Thanks again! Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration Enforcement sanction handling

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened, and is located here. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration Enforcement sanction handling/Evidence. Please submit your evidence within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Arbitration Enforcement sanction handling/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, NW (Talk) 01:30, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

arbcom isn't responding and may not have received my e-mails

This is a copy of a message I poasted on 3 other admin talk pages, You have been a great help with me in the past so I am also posting this to you. please don't an/i me. Hello, I have sent 2 coppies of my unblock request to arbcom, one in march, and one in early April, but no response, so I am seaking advice, what else is there for me to do, I'm totaly out of ideas and I have lost faith in wikipedia. what can I do? 204.112.104.172 (talk) 06:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Email me with a copy of your email to ArbCom and tell me there what your main account is. Franamax (talk) 06:38, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I think it won't let me e-mail but if you check my ip talk page, it will be clear. I don't want to say who I am because I am afraid of another an/i then block of ip. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2011 (UTC) Just tried e-mailing again, i got the bounce back message saying that it awates approval. let's hope it works, I haven't gotten a response in march, thanks for your time and sorry for any probloms. I am trying to get the message across that I am trying to turn over a new leaf, I just need the opertunity to proove myself. How am i going to do that as Comet Egypt if it is blocked, and if i'm not allowed to edit as an ip? I need help here. 204.112.104.172 (talk) 12:38, 22 April 2011 (UTC) ps: see the ip talk page and I have a section that gives the copy of the e-mail sent. hope that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.104.172 (talk) 12:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

User:Tvoz

You are aware that Tvas reverted your edit while you were trying to infrom me and the community of what his account was which goes against WP:ROLLBACK which clearly states to only revert clear cases of vandalism. WHat ever actions you take should be coherent with the situation. mauchoeagle 07:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

User has apologized, a misunderstanding. mauchoeagle 07:15, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, apologies - it must have been a random click, as I wasn't reading there and must have been looking at my watchlist rather than my cursor. Truth is, that's my best guess but I was totally unaware that it had happened, until MauchoEagle brought it to my attention. Sorry! Tvoz/talk 07:43, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

RefDesk

Hey, since you've bravely delved into the issue, would you mind running your eye over Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Bizarre case of WP:OWN? Best, ╟─TreasuryTag►Not-content─╢ 19:26, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Hardy Hill List

Hello again (see your item 32) - since I'm about to leap (!) up to Scotland after a few years' enforced gap to finish off my mainland core Hardys, I've been reviewing where I am with my draft article, which you were very kindly helping me with ("User:MVO Rambler/Hardy (hill)"). I've brought the references up to date (including a Country Walking magazine feature last November), but can't wait any longer for the Long Distance Walkers Association to deliberate on re-citing the hill list on their website (boy, do they move at a slow pace, administratively anyway!). So I'd like to give the article another go now at publication (any chance you can do the necessary re. moving it to the appropriate place?), hopefully without the initial silliness from last time, which was resolved then I think, just leaving the notability strength for assessment - and anything you feel you can do to help the case for publication along would obviously be very welcome. I have to say my winter's browsing of subjects of interest to me on Wik has left me with the impression that there're a lot of articles accepted for publication with a lot less notability and neutrality than mine, but then I'm probably naive and biased! Cheers MVO Rambler —Preceding undated comment added 09:40, 8 May 2011 (UTC).

Your closure of a 2008 ban discussion

Hello Franamax. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive146#Proposed community ban of Betacommand. At the bottom you give a summary of the other editors' views, and your view was that the 'Sam Korn solution' was enacted. The status of any restrictions is now being discussed at User talk:Betacommand#What restrictions are in place? The actual 'closer' of this AN thread was Ryan Postlethwaite, but I think he was using your summary as a basis. Do you think the community intended this restriction to be indefinite? If so it could still be entered in WP:RESTRICT. Due to the passage of time, such an entry should most likely be discussed at AN before being made. But I would be grateful if you could comment on the situation. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 15:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Mail

Hello, Franamax. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.— Magu (talk) 04:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

your eyes...

An issue that was of concern has been addressed. Could you look at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2011 May 16#Freaky Chakra (Movie) and perform the neccessary tag removal and move? Thanks Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 06:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit summary v. talk page

Hi. :) Hope things are going well with you; haven't run into you lately. I don't think the "or leave a note on the article talk page" works, in accordance with Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. If the edit summary is forgotten, it can be added later, but it's an important place to keep track of history; CC-By-SA requires a complete list of authors (though it can be filtered for minor edits); the hyperlink in the edit summary to the source article (or to a stable list of authors) incorporates it by reference. I've removed it for now from Wikipedia:Copy-paste, at least unless we make the guideline accord with it. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 02:09, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

No problem, and yes I've been busy for a few months, thankfully with happy-things. :) I see your early addition there [13] but I do find it a little problematic. I'll agree completely that using a link in the edsum is unquestioably best-practice, absolutely. In fact, I think that's similar to the wording adopted for our edit-page notice about copying "free" content. However. At a fundamental level, the wording implies that if you don't include the link in your edit summary, you have de facto committed a violation. This gives the offending editor no way out - catching up on recent threads on your talk page, I think we would all pretty much agree that giving an editor a positive route to escape from their situation would be a good thing. As written, the text does not inform the reader that (presumably) they could retrospectively include a null edit summary to indicate the source and target (diff in this article) where they added the text. Additionally, in my experience that rule is widely saluted in the breach thereof. This revolves around widespread misonceptions as to what exactly on the internet is truly actually "free" (and I think only CC0 actually gets there, but maybe USGOV too). So the practical fact is that lots of intra-wiki and inter-wiki copy/translation has been done in the past. It's been done, we have to deal with it, and I don't think we should "criminalize" it ex post facto.

This subject came up tangentially at the long plagio discussions, and as I recall various different approaches were offered by experienced editors. The discussion there (and on another page I remember freom a few years ago, maybe WP:MERGE or that WT:Copying... page) never did settle down to a unified approach. I personally would prefer the maximum of: link in edit summary; note on talk page; and attribution template for substantial bulk of text. But I think we need to leave an "out" for people to fix their own mistakes. We're allowed to be flexible here on our own turf. In order to fully comply with GFDL, we already have to consider "Title" to be the &articleid, not the actual article name, else it all unravels when you look at "History" compliance. I would prefer to see a set of requirements which can be met, rather than that single hard-and-fast rule, much though I agree with it. There's no way to go back and correct an edit summary... Franamax (talk) 03:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Maybe what we should do is note that it can be corrected later? That overview is supposed to be written very simply, and as you know writing very simply is just not my thing. :D Let me see if I can come up with something. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:22, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I've given it a go here. Is it better? Can it be improved? :) --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

That looks good, and is in line with our more relaxed view of copying "free" content, i.e. it can be fixed by making an appropriate notation. I know what you mean about how hard it is to keep things simple, but I don't see where I can shorten it. It gives the right advice! Franamax (talk) 13:07, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Great. :D --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 00:27, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

You may be thinking of Help talk:Merging#Best practice (July 2009), during which Moonriddengirl created {{Copied}}. I place {{Copied}}s, but I have been slacking off on the dummy edits. I have some thoughts on edit summary versus talk page template (e.g. moves of the source page) that I'll raise at WT:Copying within Wikipedia. Flatscan (talk) 04:21, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

New resolution proposal

Hi. Just wanted to let you know that a new proposal has been made in a thread you contributed to at AN/I concerning the possibility of prohibiting a user from initiating actions at AN, AN/I, or WQA. Thanks,  – OhioStandard (talk) 06:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)