User talk:Fenian Swine/Archive 1

• i myself am a fenian and like most fenians i think that brits are a bunch of gobshites.

Wikipedia has a policy of not allowing provocative usenames that may cause offence to other users. You name is likely to fall foul of that policy. I suggest that you change it. Otherwise there is a likelihood that the name will be changed by Wikipedia itself. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 17:40, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

• If anyone thinks this name is offensive leave a message on this page.Otherwise I will not change it.--Fenian Swine 01:00, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

What will simply happen is that people will complain to admins because they think your name is an attack on 'fenians' (ie, republicans and nationalists), or an admin will see your name, decide it is a breach of Wikipedia naming rules, and either block you from Wikipedia for using an "offensive name", or automatically delete your name and move you to something else whether you like it or not. Names that are seen as provocative, offensive or attacking, are automatically deleted and frequently the user is blocked. If you want to risk being blocked from Wikipedia for a name that may cause offence to people, that is your right. But don't be surprised if you then end up blocked from being on Wikipedia or having your name forceably changed over your head. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 01:15, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

• Give me an example of this(people complaining to administrators).Otherwise this is just a racist bombardment of the Republican movement.--Fenian Swine 17:59, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

• • You'd be well advised to listen. Your compatriot is just trying to help you. Deb 21:49, 8 August 2005 (UTC) PS. I'm not English.
• I am listening.Its just that no one would ever find my name offensive.Im clearly not slagging fenians considering I am one.--Fenian Swine 23:23, 8 August 2005 (UTC) P.S.I'm a Fenian and your not funny.

People regularly misunderstand names here. One user called himself Jesus saves. He was a born-again Christian. But Christians thought he was mocking christianity, eventually a complaint was lodged and his name was blocked. One user decided that my Irish name was threatening because he thought it meant fear eireann (ie, be afraid of me!). Your name is not offensive to me because I know what it means. But others, going by past history, will see it come on edits and presume that you are attacking fenians and that all your edits are anti-Irish, and so they may automatically rollback your edits, and follow everything you write. The trouble with sarcastic names is that you may mean it to mean one thing, but someone else may think it is something else. Or some admin may see it, deem it offensive and anti-Irish, and hit the block button. It isn't worth the hassle, mate. At least calling yourself 'The Fenian' or something would be less likely to cause trouble for yourself. FearÉIREANN\^(caint) 23:36, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

• Someone seriously offended by a name would surely check this page and see it's a sarcarstic pro-republican name! KEEP IT Tunney 22:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC).Cheers Tunney.--Fenian Swine 22:45, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Unwelcome?

I would like to know why I never got welcomed into the Wickie community and was never given a set of rules like other newbie's.Is this because of my highly controversial and offensive;) name.--Fenian Swine 03:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Certainly not! You're very welcome. It was probably just an oversight. If you let me know what your new username is, I'll welcome you on that too! Clair de Lune 08:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Kilmacud Crokes

The article is much better now, you can remove the tag--nixie 02:41, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Categories

I've just reverted your recent edits to Terry Wogan, Gerry Adams, Michael Collins, and Johnny Giles because they all included the identical category line [[Category:Irish people|Beresford, John]], which means they all get classified under the "B"s. Please be a bit more careful with cut'n'paste and remember to put the person's actual name in the line! :) -- Arwel 01:25, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

You were a bit quick asking your question while I was typing my explanation! Cheers. -- Arwel 01:27, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome

Better late than never! :-) Here it is;

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Not sure what to make of your username. Reckon you'd do well to listen to FearÉireann as he knows wot's wot. Seeya - Pete C ^✍ 01:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

It is'nt offensive in any way.Read my 'user page'.I'm not slagging fenian's.--Fenian Swine 01:50, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Not saying it is (nor is FearÉireann, far as I can see). Just that you're going to wind up getting blocked. :-/ - Pete C ^✍ 01:53, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Excuse me for butting in here, but I would have to agree with FearÉireann. Wikipedia is a serious project, and a name such as yours which could be seen prima facie to be provocative (e.g. as it was to me) will not do you favours. --Kwekubo 03:06, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

• For fenian's sake,I am taking it seriously.Look at the pages I've added and big edit's I've made.It is not as if Im vandilising Wikipedia.And if their is any doubt about this please check out This to show my seriousness.--Fenian Swine 18:36, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

I am not necessarily suggesting that you are not a worthwhile contributor - I am merely stating that at first glance your name arouses suspicion. --Kwekubo 20:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Davetunney RFA

Hello. May I ask why you nominated User:Davetunney for admin? He is new to the project with only a few edits. Jonathunder 03:33, 2005 August 22 (UTC)

Tá brón orm faoi seo.--Fenian Swine 13:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Rory Gallagher

I see the confusion now, as Gallagher cannot be cleanly classified as either a Cork person or a Donegal person alone, so Category:Irish people would be more appropriate. But if e.g. the Cork people is used, it is not necessary to use the Irish people cat too as one is a subset of the other. --Kwekubo 20:27, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

It could be argued that he is both from Cork and Donegal, and someone from one place would probably try to replace one with the other - it's probably cleaner to put him at Category:Irish people. Also, just to let you know, your timestamp is one hour slow - you should reset it to UTC (see your user preferences).

Vandalism

You have vandalised my user page I suggest a ban. Tunney 23:26, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, its the British Isles

"I hate the term British Isles.English people should get over themselves.They no longer have an empire to speak of and hopefully Scotland and Wales will leave the empire.They are in the 'Celtic Isles' after all."

Sorry to bust your bubble but there are no grounds for calling these isles Celtic. They have being known as the Prettanic/Brettanic or British Isles for over two thousand years. Why? Because that was the name of the peoples living there. In contrast, very few if any of the peoples of the isles ever called themselves Celts, mainly because they were'nt. Cheers. Fergananim 23.8.05.

What clubs play in the 'Celtic League'.Irish,scottish and Welsh.So there are more Celtic nations in the so called Br*t*ish Isles.Bubble unburst.Go raibh míle.--Fenian Swine 23:19, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

But none of those nations have much Celtic blood. The Celts were based in central and western Europe, with only very small sections of their population based in these isles - and the majority of them were in what is now England. Baseing your argument on what sports group calls itself dos'nt exactly demonstate any depth of intelligence germane to the issue on your part. Fergananim25.8.05.

I don't understand your argument. The big island's called "Britain" because that's what the (Celtic) people who lived there called it. If it were the English who'd named it after themselves, they'd be the English Isles, and you'd have a strong point. But it wasn't, they aren't, and you don't. Clair de Lune 08:23, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Well thats your problem is'nt it.signed 'blocked user' --Fenian Swine 13:47, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Also these island have been called British by other people e.g. the romans.There were not called british by the people that count i.e. the irish.so this point is a poorly made point.we are green we are white we are f***ing dynamite.

Actually they were as a perusal of the early Irish annals will show you. Fergananim 25.8.05

actually your right,fergananim the infallible,

Never said I was infallible. All I was doing was drawing your attention to the underlying fault of your assumption. If at any time you had - or yet have - any facts or reasonable assuptions that are otherwise, I'd be happy to acknowledge them. That's what Wikipdeia is all about. Fergananim 22:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Did every citizen of Ireland write in these annals.No one person's view dosent reflect those of all citizen's of a country.So what your saying is these isles are british,even Ireland?--Play Brian Moore 02:06, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

To reiterite: the collective geographical name for these islands is the British Isles.

In political terms it is incorrect as it implies that both Ireland and Britain are part of one political unit, which they are not.

The term British refers to all the inhabitants of the island of Britain; the term English refers to the inhabitants of England, which is part of Britain. The two terms are related but are not necessarily mutually inclusive. A Welsh, Cornish or Scottish person can be British, but not English. An English person can be British but not Welsh, Scots or Cornish.

While it is geographically correct to refer to Ireland as part of the British Isles, it is incorrect to refer to most Irish people as British, as they not inhabitants of Britain, nor are most of them inhabitants of the UK, most of which is based in Britian (hence "The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland").

Your wish to refer to the British Isles as the Celtic Isles reflects the wishes of many people - mainly Irish, Scots, Welsh and Cornish - to find a term other than British to refer to the islands. This is because the term British has being associated with being English, and as above noted, are seen by many as interchangable words though this is not so. No one has yet come up with a broadly accecptable alternative as yet, so instead of refering to "the British Isles" people often say "Britain and Ireland", "the Isles" or "these islands".

As I alluded to above, there is no basis for calling these them the Celtic Isles. It was not until the 18th centuary that antiquarys began to use the term "Celts" to apply to the people of Cornwall, Ireland, Scotland and Ireland. They did this because the languages spoken by these people belonged to the Celtic language family (which in turn is part of the Indo-European language family).

However they were wrong in doing so because none of these peoples had ever referred to themselves as Celts.

Recent Y-Chromosone DNA studys have demonstrated that they are not in fact genetic Celts. The gentic ancestry of most of the Isles - including, surpriseingly, much of England - are all closely akin to each other, and very close to that of the Basque people. The Basque people are the oldest know inhabitants of Europe, and are both linguistly and geneticly very distinct from other Europeans. Needless to say, there is a wide genetic divergence between the Basques (and most Irish, English, Scots, Welsh and Cornish people) and the people still living in what were the Celtic regions of Europe (Central, northern and eastern France, western and centralGermany, Switzerland, Austria, northern Italy, etc).

What the DNA studys demonstrate is that a good 80% (or more?) of the collective population of these islands have roots here going back several thousands of years, and are more closely related to each other (and the Basques) than most other past and present European peoples. There are caveats; large parts of northern and eastern Scotland demonstrate their Norwegian roots (via the Vikings); much the same can be said for parts of north-east England (Daneish roots, again via the Vikings) while parts of southern England (though not all) show affinity with the Celts of mainland Europe, due to some large Celtic immigration movements before and right after the first years A.D.

But overall the explanation holds true, and as I said, their genetic affinity is NOT identical with the Celts (or rather their latter day descendants). The only parts of these isles that do are located not in Ireland, Scotland, Wales or Cornwall but in England (and even there it is only a minority).

So can you see why there is no basis for changing the name of the islands to the Celtic Isles? Fergananim 03:40, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Technicalities

Technically "Ireland and the UK" is not synonymous with "British Isles."

1. The Isle of Man is not legally part of the United Kingdom, it is Crown Dependency.
2. Although the smaller islands off shore of Ireland are either part of the Republic of Ireland or Northern Ireland, geographically speaking they are not part of island of Ireland. Most people do not realize that the official name for the Republic is either simply "Éire" or "Ireland", so it can lead to confussion between the reference to the country or the island, particularly for articles dealing with natural geography.
3. Use of "Ireland, the UK, and the Isle of Man" would leave out the Channel Islands and Rockall, although this may actually be desireable as their categorization as British Isles is disputable.

--Eoghanacht 15:36, 2005 August 24 (UTC)

Well Ireland is a soveirgn,anti-british state so the term in question should be fucked on the scrap heap.Celtic isles is far more aquarate.--Muc Fíníneach 22:03, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

It may be appropriate to you but it is not used, and furthermore is inaccurate as there was never much of a Celtic population in the islands. So its a rather pointless term. And please define anti-British Fergananim 25.8.05

OK OK it is the British Fucking Isles --Muc Fíníneach 16:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Its not the British Fucking Isles, its the British Isles. Fergananim 17:04, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

NOTE: I didnt write OK OK it is the British Fucking Isles --Muc Fíníneach 16:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC).That was that fucking bollox mr swine.i was not in the house at the time and i have proof of that.--Play Brian Moore 21:07, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

here is my proof contributions

Muc, Fenian and Moore are all the same people. A reading of posts under these names pretty much demonstrates it. Whatever he wants to call himself, it dos'nt change the fact that he is often abusive, has no idea how to present a valid argument of any kind, and trys to pass off responsilility for his actions when made to account for them (which is'nt a great CV for his charecter). Either accord by the rules of Wikipedia, or go somewhere else. Fergananim 03:52, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

no there not im fenian swine aka brian moore.user:mr Swine is muc and he got banned for impersonating me.I will not leave this place.I'm as welcome here as any other user.--Play Brian Moore 13:39, 28 August 2005 (UTC)