Fallujasurvivor

December 2008

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TVXQ Article - controversy with the Chinese ladies

Thanks for your contributions to the TVXQ article. The situation has become clearer since you added in the sources, but I'm still a little confused. Can you join in on the discussion page? Thanks. - rairakku(talk to me) 19:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Since this is slightly off-topic from the TVXQ article we were discussing, I'll leave notes on your talk page. Feel free to respond either here or on my talk page.

Anyway, I read through most of your blog. Thanks for the notes! I didn't know any of the terms you gave me except for 周恩来 because my parents praised him very much during the Sichuan earthquake (I'm Chinese, too).

Comments/questions on the content (I'm not criticizing your statements, but I didn't fully understand everything):

In the first section, you state that there were already two women in the ladies' restroom when Changmin went into it. English sources state that there were two women who followed Changmin into a bathroom (no information on whether it was for women or men). I think that it's probably a good idea to get a Korean person to translate exactly what's on the Korean sites right now, so I'll ask someone about it. However... that's quite a big difference between the accounts.

Second section - This is a stupid question, but do you mean only TVXQ fans when you use the term 网民? (It would explain why so many people got angry at the apology on the TVXQ website, I guess). And how did 周恩来 get involved in all of this? It seems completely unrelated.

Fourth section - Can you explain 爆吧? Is it the name for the attack that the netizens made?

As for the rest of the page, I will be slowly making my way through it. It's quite an impressive list of sources you have, by the way. - rairakku(talk to me) 03:33, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

It's such a pleasure to talk to a Chinese over the Pacific.

Here I will explain how 周恩来 got involved in the mass.

First of all, I'd like to say, 周恩来 didn't anticipate in the Sichuan earthquake. He is the first premier of PL China, known as the best diplomat, and passed away decades ago. The premier anticipated in the Sichuan earthquake is 温家宝, another great premier, who has also done a lot in 2003 SARS crisis.

The conflict was due to the bottom picture on my blog. The text on it was :(C= Cassiopeia N= angry netizens)

/********* begin *********/

N: Look at this, the female netizen who has a Japanese name.(You know Chinese Netizens hate Japanese) See what is handsome.

C: I suppose you have paste a picture of Wang Li Hong(王力宏) or Zhou Jie Lun(周杰伦 Jay). But why do you find such a "fuck old guy". (老男人, which not only means old man in Chinese, but also a rude word which is related to sexual disability). I have nothing to say. I can image your moral character from your esthetic sense. Your moral character doesn't worth a flattery. (means More than Bad)

/********* end *********/

The angry netizen paste it on a discussion page called "WOW 吧" (the discussion page of World of Warcraft, a popular net game, made in US)on website Baidu, where're many netizens there. Almost all players of WOW anticipated in an action called "holy war", aiming at flooding the discussion page of TVXQ. Since the operation is well organized, the page of TVXQ was flooded by pages of rude words increasing hundreds per second.(Called 爆吧. 吧 is the discussion page, also called "bar". 爆吧 means to explode the discussion page by rude words or rubbish informations)

网民 means "netizens", reflect to all netizens. "不知名者" means "a guy whose name is unknown", it refers to the one who post a apologize letter on the TVXQ website. Since we don't know her name at the beginning, I used the word to meet the situation by then.

As for my blog, "东方神起爆吧事件的冷思考" is a relatively neutral report, and the pictures pasted below are said by Chinese Cassiopeia, which led to a widely debate. On "桂雪玉已经道歉了，大家停手吧", the girl who "represent all Chinese netizens to apologize" was found out, and somebody threatened to pour paints on her. I paste her another letter to apologize to the angry netizens there in green colour. If you have read the page "费卢杰大屠杀", I should apologize for that. It might not fits you for it reported a slaughter in a city called Al-Falluja(Iraq) by US troops with extremely poisonous chemical weapons.

Now I'm also confused by the fact of the whole story. I'd likely to know the structure of the airport bathroom. I should hold back my comment temporary till I could find the truth.

Unfortunately, you're speaking with a Chinese who knows very little of its language and modern culture (as evidenced by my mistake with the premier, which I'm very, very sorry about). But I'm working on improving that! ^^

About the reference to the premier - so the online fights were caused by the Cassiopeia posting in another bar?

Also, I've contacted someone who knows Korean, so hopefully we can have some input from the Korean news sites, too. Those might explain more details that the Chinese reports lack. In the meantime, we should probably find out as many details about the incident as possible. Thanks for your participation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mitsuki152 (talk • contribs) 07:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

TVXQ and the Iraq War

The TVXQ incident is not recognized by most Korean news sites, so there is no way to see the Korean point of view. That means that the Chinese version will be staying up for a long time - you did a good job in finding references ^_^ The net combat sounds rather... intense. Is the TVXQ conflict still going on?

About the Iraq War - I'm not qualified to answer your questions, but I'll try to describe a little of the situation in America now.

Americans know mostly what has been in the news; however, the news that they see differs depending on what they choose to read or watch (different news companies will show different versions of the same story). Some news sites will cover more information about the war and contain debates from many different perspectives of the war; other sites will only contain one or two biased perspectives. People watch whatever they want to. In addition, the government has been a little misleading over the past few years, so some "facts" may be confusing. Overall, though, most people don't know much... I remember two years ago, my history teacher told my class about a survey showing that 30%-50% of Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and that's why America was going to war with Iraq :/

As for how the war is ignored... News media don't cover it much anymore. A few years ago, there were articles about Iraq every week, sometimes even every day. Now, the news companies are focused on other things, such as the economy and Obama. Also, I think that the high number of deaths has made people become desensitized.

I don't know if that helps at all - I haven't been updated about anything in the Iraq war since last year, so things might be different now. - rairakku(talk to me) 10:44, 15 December 2008 (UTC)