Euthymios

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ABECEDAR

Hi, I know that ABECEDAR is claimed from the Serbs, Bulgars, and Macedonians, thats why I am not saying that the 1925 ABECEDAR was Macedonian (although it was based on the Lerin (Florina) - Bitola dialect) Anyway I do not want to cause any conflict, but just recently the Macedonian party in Greece republished the book and are distributing then to the Macedonians in northern Greece, along with an upto date primer of the official Macedonian language. The book was sucessfully promoted in Solun (Thessaloniki), and according to "Rainbow", the new book is intended for the Macedonians of Greece (of coarse there are also Bulgarians in Greece, but this book contains also a primer of the modern Macedonian language, not the Bulgarian language, therefore its for the Macedonians). I have posted the sources to prove these recent developments of the ABECEDAR and its successful promotion in Solun, but I am not claiming that the original ABECEDAR is Macedonian, but rather it was reprinted by Macedonians last month. Macedonia 21:16, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Can't see why people take it as a fact that ABECEDAR was "promoted successful" in Thessaloniki. I have been living in the city for years, yet, i just now first heard the word 'ABECEDAR' and learnt what it is about... It would be better to say that 'Rainbow party claims it was successful...'. Hectorian 21:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Hey s'up.. I was just curious to why you claimed that there was no 3RR vio. A "revert" is defined as an edit, definitely when it concerns a delete. I mean, he deleted the name four times in the space of six hours. I cannot figure out why the first revert isn't a revert since it involved deleting someone else's contribution (since what he deleted must have been put there by someone else in the first place, right?). I don't care about the merits of that case anymore, but it is only the logical inconsistency that is interesting at this point. A revert is an edit, it might involve as little as the addition or the deletion of a few words and there were four deletions, so unless I have been living in different logical dimensions, that's a 3RR vio. I have compiled 3RR reports before, and that has always been the case, 4 such deletions = 3RR vio. It would have been different if the admin had said, even though there was a 3RR vio, there is no need for a block. That would have been perfectly understandable.. It is pretty weird that's all... Cheers! Baristarim 10:31, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

From User:B.E.Gladstone

Hi - There wasn't a reference from an independent media stating the 18,000 copies of the book sold in Macedonia (and don't tell me that Bulgarian-sponsored-sources are independent). Hence, the information on the page cannot be proved to be correct and it doesn't need to stand there and influence the people who read it. Unless you can provide a link from a US or British or French or whatever, even a true Macedonian (that is a media inside the Republic of Macedonia, not in Bulgaria), which has published the story or states that 18,000 copies have been sold in Macedonia, then please refrain yourself from giving incorrect information regarding such a delicate issue. If the book was indeed published and became a best seller in Macedonia, then I'm sure you'l have no difficulty in providing the link. Until then, consider the consequences of the information you edit. Some people actually believe everything they read.

Euthymios, better check your sources before you paste information on wikipedia. I'm simply deleting false information. Check the references and the sources. The information you reverse is disputable and should be treaded as a delicate matter.

Your book source is not working. Go ahead. Click on it. You tell me where it leads. Keep in mind the Wikipedia rule of objectivity. "Neutral point of view: Wikipedia's editorial policy is the "neutral point of view," often abbreviated "NPOV." This policy says that we accept all the significant viewpoints on an issue. Instead of simply stating one perspective, we try to present all relevant viewpoints without judging them. Our aim is to be informative, not persuasive." Or beeing Greek makes you above citing sources for the information you so persistently defend?!

vandals

You were struck by a vandal, it read "==WARNING: EUTHYMIOS IS MEMBER OF THE WIKIPEDIAN GREEK CHAUVINIST JUNTA. By User:Balkan == There’s a well collaborated group of GREEK Wikipedia sysops/users that has been spotted to work systematically in full daily basis propagandazing ultra natioanalist Greek POV, and distorting related articles. They intervene in any Balkan history and politics related article, pushing Greek POV, launch edit wars, and repeated reverts of vandalized by them versions, permanent deletions, block users, merges and redirects to deletetion of undesired new articles. Their main target is to distort all articles lelated to ISLAM, TURKEY, REBUBLIC OF MACEDONIA, BULGARIA, ALBANIA (CHAMERIA), THEIR MINORITIES IN GREECE AND THEIR HISTORY. They attack every article criticizing Greece transforming it to Greekish propaganda POV. They became maniacs in optimizing dark side of Greek history.They communicate each other by secret e-mails avoiding messages through their talk pages to avoid publicity. This group acting in a systematic way to revert articles, when one of member makes the limit of 3 reverts, one another continues with 4th revert to avoid punishment for violating 3rv rule.In many cases try to Hellenize foreign toponyms of Balkans.

Furthermore they are suspected agents of Greek National Intelligence Service (E.Y.Π. Κυπατζήδες) and believers of ultra nationalist organizations of Greek “national interests”, as L.A.O.S. and Chrissi Avgi. They are also multiple sockpuppets and impersonators of their group members. They are all schizophrenics web vandals unacceptible to wikipedian community. Balkan history has labelled such people as GREKOMANS, a form of mental malignacy cited in Larousse dictionaries. Their illusion is MEGALI IDEA of Greek nationalism-expantionism.They have been allied with Armenian, Serbian and Cypriot extremists of similar interest. THEY HAVE CONSTITUTED A WIKIPEDIAN GUNG, A GREEK PRAPAGANDA LOBBY, A GREEK EPSILON TEAM. All member of group are very radical nationalists. They work continously in three shifts over day and night. To verify chek their contributions, talk page, edits, deletions, blocks, directs, protected pages and act properly. Wikipedia isn’t the right place to propagandize for “God’s elit nations” as Greece.

Members of gung involved:

user:Khoikhoi sysop , He’s the chief-manager of group, recently probated by Wikipedia, suspected sockpuppet or impersonator of user:Future Perfect at Sunrise and suspected agent of Greek intelligence user:Future Perfect at Sunrise GREEK, (sysop), chief-manager of group, suspected sockpuppet or impersonator of user:Khoikhoi and suspected agent of Greek intelligence user:Aldux (sysop), ), close collaborator of user:Khoikhoi user:Tekleni GREEK ,confirmed multiple sock puppet user:Telex,GREEK, confirmed sock puppet user:NikoSilver GREEK, close collaborator of user:Euthymios, vassal of user:Khoikhoi and user:Future Perfect at Sunrise user:Euthymios GREEK, confirmed collaborator of user:Khoikhoi and user:Future Perfect at Sunrise user:Hectorian GREEK user:Politis, GREEK user: AndreasJS GREEK, close collaporator of user:Khoikhoi and user:Aldux user:Miskin,GREEK user:mitsos GREEK "

I don't know and I don't think I want to. Well, just giving you a heads up. Carlo V. Sexron 11:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

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