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October 2013

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Wales national rugby union team

Please stop adding Shane Williams' tries for the Lions to the infobox at Wales national rugby union team. They have absolutely nothing to do with his tries for Wales and should not have any bearing on that article. – PeeJay 15:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

The article is about the Wales team, not the Lions. There is absolutely no connection between his tries for Wales and for the Lions. Stop or I will report you for disruptive editing. – PeeJay 17:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

You clearly don't get this. The field indicates who the top try-scorer is for Wales. Shane Williams has scored 58 tries for Wales (and two for the Lions, making a total of 60); if another player had scored 57 for Wales and four for the Lions (making a total of 61), Williams would still be the top try-scorer for Wales. Therefore, the Lions tries are irrelevant to the infobox field. – PeeJay 17:22, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Because it is not relevant. What do his Lions tries have to do with the Wales national team? That information belongs on the Shane Williams page and on articles relating to the Lions, not on the Wales page. – PeeJay 17:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, I would like to direct your attention to WP:BRD, which states that Wikipedia has a clear editing cycle: Bold, Revert, Discuss. You were bold in making your original edit, I reverted it, now we leave the article as it was before your bold edit and discuss the contribution. Please leave the article as it was. – PeeJay 17:31, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

The damage it does is that it introduces information that does not need to be included. It implies that the reason Williams is the top try-scorer for Wales is because his Lions tries give him more than another player. This is unnecessary and confusing for people who are reading the article as newcomers to the subject. – PeeJay 17:40, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

If you think there are no newcomers reading that article, I think you have sorely missed the point of Wikipedia. I advise you to familiarise yourself with the site's guidelines and policies before contributing further. – PeeJay 17:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I can see why you would think that – scoring the number of tries that Williams has done is quite a feat. However, he only scored 58 tries for Wales and to add to that info in the infobox (which is only meant to be a brief summary of the total information included in the article) introduces unnecessary complications. Oh, and your compromise really only made things worse, sorry. – PeeJay 18:03, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

You don't need to know why I'm doing this. All you need to know is that I found your contributions to have an overall negative effect on the encyclopaedia. If you don't want to contribute any more, that's fine, but you could at least take my advice and learn how to be a positive contributor. – PeeJay 18:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you should do it, except with your own words this time instead of copying the text off his Scarlets profile. – PeeJay 18:14, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you did discuss it, but you also continued to make edits that I had already told you were negative. Furthermore, discussion does not necessarily mean you will get your own way. – PeeJay 18:16, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Dude, you've been here two days, whereas I've been doing this for just over eight years. If I find fault with your contributions, chances are I have a good reason. And although you might not see it now, my interactions with you have been positive, in that I hope they will make you a better editor. Cheers. Bye. – PeeJay 18:35, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

I think you should concern yourself less with what contributions I make and more with what contributions you make. I had to make the changes to the Jordan Williams article because it was in an absolute state, and your changes weren't helping (see the warning I gave you below). – PeeJay 20:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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November 2013

Hello Eol28, and welcome to Wikipedia. Your addition to Jordan Williams (rugby union) has had to be removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material without permission from the copyright holder. While we appreciate your contributing to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from your sources to avoid copyright or plagiarism issues here.

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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. – PeeJay 12:30, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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