EllerVenture

August 2018

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for advertising or promotion. From your contributions, this seems to be your only purpose.

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This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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Request reason:

Your reason here My purpose was with no means to be advertising this Company. I just started to look into Venture Capital firms in general. In order to be able to see more Venture Capital firms on Wikipedia, I want to establish articles among different German Venture Capital firms as most of them do not have an established article yet. I have not used any prejudice language and only used article quotes to support my writing. Even sentences such as: "one of the most experienced Venture Capital firms in Europe" have been purely taken out of already established articles by none other than publishers such as Techcrunch. I would appreciate if you could re-think your decision to block me from Wikipedia. If there are any other things that is should change, please do not hesitate to contact me. Best, Leon

Decline reason:

Yes, "one of the most experienced Venture Capital firms in Europe" is prejudiced (or, more precisely, promotional) language. It conveys no information whatsoever (except that they're an European Venture Capital firm) but is meant to make the company sound great. If TechCrunch does it, that's too bad but not an excuse to use that language on Wikipedia. This, combined with an intent to make such companies "more visible" (ie to promote them), convinces me that it's not in the project's best interest to unblock you. Huon (talk) 20:15, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

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• Do you work for the company that you attempted to write about? Language like that which you cite in your request is promotional. Wikipedia articles must have a neutral point of view. In addition, your draft seemed largely cited to press releases or basic business announcements, which the notability guidelines specifically state is not appropriate for establishing notability. Please review the guidelines at WP:ORG. Are there any other subjects you are interested in writing about? 331dot (talk) 09:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

@331dot

I am not working for the company that I wrote about. As you will see in future publications on my behalf, I want to make the German Venture Capital market more visible on Wikipedia. The problem associated with not using press releases regarding Venture Capital firms is that, this is generally where you receive their information from. Specifically speaking, as you have seen in the Article that I have provided, a new Fund had been closed several weeks ago, which makes it difficult to find information about it other than on their website or Newspapers. This concerns also investments and general information. If you could provide me with the draft I will try to change a few things that could be seen as promotional. But in my opinion it is all general journalism backed by publishers on the internet.

Hi. The point is, if you only have press releases to go on, then the company will almost certainly be considered not sufficiently notable for a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia is not a company directory nor a "general journalism" outlet. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and only carries articles about companies if they satisfy the notability requirements described at WP:NCORP and are covered by in-depth independent reliable sources (see WP:RS). Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:34, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

(Oh, and there's no need to start each new reply with a new {{unblock}} template - just indent your reply with ":" characters as I have done here. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC))

Okay I will try to improve the article. Is it possible for you give me access to the draft so I can work from there rather than doing all the references again? Also can you unblock me so I can then again send in a new draft fo you to see ? Best L

Sounds like a promotional intent on a subject that does not meet notability requirements. (New user advice from JamesBWatson) My advice to new editors is that it is best to start by making small improvements to existing articles, rather than creating new articles. That way any mistakes you make will be small ones, and you won't have the discouraging experience of repeatedly seeing hours of work deleted. Gradually, you will get to learn how Wikipedia works, and after a while you will know enough about what is acceptable to be able to write whole new articles without fear that they will be deleted. Over the years I have found that editors who start by making small changes to existing articles and work up from there have a far better chance of having a successful time here than those who jump right into creating new articles from the start." Please remember, all content must be cited from reliable sources that are unconnected with the subject and have a reputation for fact checking. What other subjects would you like to write about?-- Dlohcierekim (talk) 16:53, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Is it still possible to provide me with the document ?

I see you do not have an email address registered. If you register one (using the "Preferences" link at the very top of this page), I will send you a copy of the deleted draft by email (I could restore it in your user space here, but you would not be able to edit it and it would probably be deleted again). That should allow you to examine the sources you used and then look for reliable independent sources, and re-examine whether you think the sources support WP:NCORP. Finally, please sign your comments by adding four tilde "~" characters to the end, which will be substituted by your username and a timestamp. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

I have added my email as you asked. I would appreciate you sending the draft to my email. Best L EllerVenture (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Sent. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much. When I have finished editing the article, how can I send it in as draft (being temporarily blocked) ? EllerVenture (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

You can't, you need to make a successful unblock appeal first. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 16:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

So I'll send a new version onto this page and then you'll decide whether I'm being unblocked or not, correct ? EllerVenture (talk) 07:16, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

No. I provided you with the text of your article purely because you asked for it, not as part of any recommended unblock process. I had no idea what you wanted it for; maybe you wanted to use it elsewhere. If you wish to be unblocked, you need make a new unblock appeal in the same way as you already have done, and try to convince a reviewing admin that you understand the reason for the block and that the block is no longer necessary. How you provide such convincing arguments is entirely up to you, but I suggest you need to make it clear how your plans align with Wikipedia's mission rather than that you simply wish "to make the German Venture Capital market more visible on Wikipedia". One thing that is for certain is that if your subject does not meet the notability requirements of WP:NCORP then it will not be accepted no matter how you write it, and you will not be unblocked to write about it or similar subjects. So I'd suggest concentrating on convincing a reviewer that your intentions are fully aligned with the first two points at Wikipedia:Five pillars, paying attention to WP:NCORP, WP:RS, and WP:NPOV. I will not be reviewing any unblock requests here myself, but I'll make one offer - if you provide a list of the sources that you consider to satisfy WP:RS and which demonstrate the notability required by WP:NCORP for that one article (not the whole article, just the sources), I will examine them and offer my opinion on them. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:19, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Oh, I'll just add that when you said "I am not working for the company that I wrote about, above, I think you will need to be more forthcoming than that. Do you have any connection with Earlybird Venture Capital, with any of the companies you wish to write about, or with the Venture Capital business in general? Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC)