User talk:EldKatt/Archive 1

Blekingska Nationen

Hello, about a week ago you said on Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English that you could write a quick translation of Blekingska Nationen. Can you state at WP:PNT when (or if) you plan to do that, please? My reason for asking is that articles which have not been translated after two weeks are usually nominated for deletion, unless we know that they will be translated soon. Thanks in advance! Sietse 19:52, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! It looks good. I think moving the article is not necessary in this case. In general, titles of articles should be written in the English form, unless the native form is more commonly used in English than the English form (see Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Organizations (such as political parties). It seems that people generally write Blekingska Nationen, instead of Blekingska nationen in English [1], so the current title is correct, I think. Sietse 16:25, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

The Ninth

How far does one go in exact vs. poetic translations? For example, "Wir betreten feuertrunken" is translated as "We approach with fiery rapture". I do not speak German, so I don't know for sure, but it sounds more to me like "We approach 'fire-drunk'" So is that technically a "literal" translation but one that distorts the true meaning of the phrase? Just wondering. Wahkeenah 23:07, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Guidelines are definitely needed. I could argue that maybe both a literal and poetic translation would be useful. I wonder who I should ask about it? Meanwhile, I think I will make that one edit to the text and see if anyone has a cow about it. Wahkeenah 15:13, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Danke schön! Wahkeenah 19:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Not being a trained musical expert, I hesitate to weigh in directly to that article too much. I like the analogy that the 4th movement contains several "movements" (or sections) within it. As if to punctuate that point, the movement comes to a dead stop between each section. However, the writeup refers to the 4th section of the 4th movement as a fugue "finale". I would argue that while the 4th section is certainly a fugue (in layman's terms, a mix of different voices singing different parts of it at the same time, as with "Row, row, row your boat...") the finale is a short 5th section, not a fugue (if I understand the term correctly) but sung all together as one voice, and sung very fast initially (prestissimo), restating several key lines from previous sections. Then it slows down to sing the final lines, and then the orchestra alone goes back to prestissimo for the (POV) highly rousing instrumental close of the symphony. Wahkeenah 13:01, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Blockland

Actually the page just needs to be updated, the offical TBM IRC is actually on the same network being IRCTOO.net but the channel is called #tbmonly, the blockland chat is called #blockland. It was listed as a way to contact us on the website because we hung out there before we actually made TBM. The link is just to a webchat that forwards you to that room, all the info on how to connect to the chat room otherwise is available. This is just our make nice gift to the IRC illiterate. BTW Mocheese is a member of a competing mod that has openly flamed his opinions against us, and he just hates seeing any reference to us anywhere. He and his friends have gone as far to delete links to our site, and deface our Wikipedia Entry on a constant basis. [posted to my user page by 24.162.87.208, 06:02, 15 August 2005 Swedish time, moved here. Eld]

Well eld, Like I said before we were in the channel long before we got around to making a MOD. The room is actually maintained by Derfy and Prez IRCOP's of IRCTOO.net. I and Rob have had admin status for being fairly impartial and idle in that room for a very long time. Should someone else want to earn an ADMIN spot or change the channel topic, it is open to them to do so. Let it also be said that BS himself has frequented the chat, but has never hung around long enough to be admined by anyone. He is not a very active admin or moderater on anything at all.

wikimusic

Hi, EldKatt, I saw you're interested in (classical) music. Maybe you would like to talk about the possible creating of a Wikimusic? There are no real plans right now, but we would like your imput! Please add you comment at this page, and put your name on the list if you want to stay informed. If you would want to, you can add your email as well. In front of you reaction I thank you for your enthousiasm. If you know someone who might be interested, don't hesitate, and give him/her the link! (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/gebruiker:Effeietsanders/project:Wikimusic), even if they are not active on wikipedia. Spread the word!!! effeietsanders 13:59, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Beethoven 5th

Hello EldKatt,

Re.

rm note about David Zinman using the ABABA' form of the scherzo--many others do as well, why is he worth mentioning?

I would appreciate it very much if you could list for me two or three of the "many others". I tried for some time to find out this information but was stymied. Zinman I got from the Penguin Guide to Compact Discs. To go further, I guess I could buy all the Beethoven Fifths available on Amazon and listen to each one; but since that would be rather expensive, I gave up.

Re. "Why is he worth mentioning?": The general point is that even for the famous "warhorses" of classical music, scholarship continues with the task of establishing the correct text. (For another example, see Charles Rosen's The Romantic Generation, p. 279, claiming that almost all editions of Chopin's B minor piano sonata contain a major error.) It also seems significant that the first performers to use the revised text were members of the authentic performance movement, and that only later did the new reading get adopted by "traditional" performers. Citing Zinman was an attempt to show that the new reading is in fact spreading among traditional performers. I feel that the weakness of my write-up was that I didn't have enough examples, which is why I am asking you now.

Thanks for any help you can give on this point.

Yours truly,
Opus33 17:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

<On Opus33's talk page EldKatt offered the names of Nikolaus Harnoncourt, Christopher Hogwood, and John Eliot Gardiner.>

Thanks, EldKatt. I will ponder and perhaps revise the article a bit next time I edit. --Opus33 21:21, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Ode to Joy text

Sorry if I overlooked your comments about the text to Ode to Joy. My apartment just burned down, so I probably won't be able to read your comments or deal with this issue for a while. Why don't you revert to the changes you made, if you haven't already done so, and I'll look at this in a few weeks. Jeremy J. Shapiro 05:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Stop attacking me now

I am going to remove all future insults. Try to pick up deceny from somewhere and stop this rant.--Fenice 17:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

As far as I can see, continuing this discussion is not going to lead to anything positive for either you or me. Before I take a much-needed vacation from this whole conflict, I want to point out that I have not lied about anything here or anywhere else, and I have not insulted or attacked you or anyone else. I regret to say that I lack the energy to deal with this conflict (although honestly I doubt it can be dealt with at the time of writing), and this is the last you will hear from me regarding this issue. (I'm cross-posting this to relevant pages.) EldKatt (Talk) 18:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Babel

I apologize for implying that you lied. In general, I think you feel like I am against you where I am just frustrated with the situation. --Fenice 20:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Chopin infobox

Thanks for pointing this out, EldKatt. I've just removed all the "mainline" infoboxes, and I propose to wait a week to see if combat erupts before taking on the Chopin ones.

Opus33 18:52, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Need your help

Hi EldKatt

We need your help for expanding electronic keyboard article which is currently under keyboard instruments. Regards --Neshatian 12:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Du gamla, Du fria

EldKatt, I have added some (hopefully positive!) thoughts to your comments, made a few months ago, on Talk:Du gamla, Du fria. You might care to take a look... -- Picapica 23:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Tomte

Thanks for finding that St. Brigid reference! --NJHeathen 22:33, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Those instrument lists

Hello EldKatt,

Well yes indeed, I'm rather frustrated with those persistent inappropriately-elaborate instrument lists, and I feel that in his communications with me about this issue Justin Tokke has been rude (or, to put it more mildly, dismayingly over-self-confident and oblivious to input).

I would suggest that the remedy might be for you, me, and ILikeToBeAnonymous to put the relevant articles on our watchlists and slowly, patiently, revert. My experience so far suggest that sooner or later he will get discouraged and stop doing this.

I'll also soon try to put together a recommended format for orchestration on the Wikiproject Classical Music page.

Cheers, Opus33 22:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

<EldKatt adds 45 pages to his watchlist>... Thanks very much, I will emulate. Hopefully this won't be necessary for years... Opus33 16:12, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

First of all, thanks for adding new "instrumentation" (not "orchestration" as improperly titled by J. Tokke) sections, like the one for Tchakovsky's 6th. And J.T. seems to have simmered down somewhat; I changed most, if not all, of his grandiose sections back to the compact style a few days ago, and he seems not to have edited since then at all.

I will give him credit for supplying the raw information, which I do not have ready access to, for the instrumentation. (Of course, someone may want to check them for accuracy.) +ILike2BeAnonymous 17:57, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Musical improvisation

Dear Eldkatt,

Thanks for reminding me in Musical Improvisation discussion that there are organ improv competitions. I found the M.I. article when it was a small stub, and expanded it a lot. In the process I had to do a lot of working out of music theory. The whole thing did get more than a bit out of hand, and is only just about to come under some expert scrutiny, finally. I am glad for that. I realize that some, not all, of my thoughts are unrealistic claims about the past and future of improvisation, and some might be very unclear. I hope that a lot of it can be understood, and if all else fails I plan to start an improvisation blog with some composed music perhaps, for readers to hear. Best, Chris G.68.14.108.62 19:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Brandenburg concertos

I just wanted to let you know that I have uploaded this article to Veropedia, a new initiative designed to save the best articles of Wikipedia. It is indeed a very good article. If you have recommendations for any other articles that you think should be preserved, please let me know. More about Veropedia, here. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:27, 25 October 2007 (UTC)