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Prigozhin’s claims

Prigozhin gave two estimates, neither of which are reliable. One is that his troops killed 50,000 Ukrainians, and the other is that their deaths were “3 or 3.2 times” his own. These figures contradict each other. I already added a discussion to the Talk Page, and you’re more than welcome to comment. The Ukrainian claims at least have multiple sources and different people backing them up, and I did remove the numbers in the table from the Infobox, because they were incomplete and sometimes contradictory, and the Ukrainian claim for the Battle of Avdiivka is also not in the infobox because of a lack of supporting sources, but that’s a non-sequiter. One being removed doesn’t mean another one must be also. Tomissonneil (talk) 23:36, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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On articles relating to the Israel-Palestine Conflict editors are restricted to one revert every 24 hours; breaches of this are treated seriously and can result in immediate blocks by uninvolved administrators. However, at October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict you have performed multiple, breaching not only WP:1RR but also WP:3RR, including 15:59, 8 October 2023, 12:27, 8 October 2023, 11:46, 8 October 2023, and 17:25, 7 October 2023.

As such, please self-revert your most recent revert and please be more cautious about making reverts in the future. BilledMammal (talk) 16:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: This one [1] isn't a revert, instead I added a new source (confirming the figure is for dead both inside and outside of Gaza) and wrote according to it, please read the source. This [2] was the result of an unintentional revert by another editor who edited at the same time as me the infobox and he canceled out my own edit. This [3], as I said in the edit summary, is the result of new information that came to light (Israel's confirmation soldiers and civilians had been captured), also i24NEWS itself isn't considered by Wikipedia an unreliable source and there was no reason to tag it as such (but I first waited for confirmation from Israel). For this [4] we have an ongoing discussion at the talk page and so lets continue it there. EkoGraf (talk) 16:56, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

The second is technically a revert, but you're right that it looks like you were reverted on accident, so I won't quibble over it. The rest, however, were indisputably reverts; believing you are correct, or even being correct, is not a justification under WP:3RRNO. As I said, please self revert the edits that you are still able to revert. BilledMammal (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Now 16:41, 8 October 2023 five reverts; please self revert this one as well. I don't believe your 2nd and 3rd reverts can be self-reverted any more, but if I am incorrect please do so, to bring yourself as close to compliance as you can. BilledMammal (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: If you would check more carefully regarding this edit 16:41, 8 October 2023 with it I was self-reverting myself. Because I unintentionally removed the "s" in one of my previous edits, so I reinserted it to provide for a more proper link. So please stop threatening me and lets continue the discussion at the talk page. EkoGraf (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I linked the wrong diff; I meant to link 16:40, 8 October 2023, the diff immediately before it. BilledMammal (talk) 17:03, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: Regarding this edit [5], I added a new source for the number of Palestinians killed and Israelis missing and updated the figure accordingly. The unintentional removing of the "s" from the IDF was rectified. As for the 700 dead Israelis, thank you for that, I did not notice it until now because I made the edit at the same time as the other person added the new figure of Israeli dead and my edit canceled out his (like what happened to me earlier, must have happened to you as well since this is an article that's being edited at a fast pace). Will self-revert there. Thanks. EkoGraf (talk) 17:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

The revert I am talking about is the removal of the "in Gaza". Please, undo the reverts that you are able to undo, as required by the 1RR restriction. BilledMammal (talk) 17:11, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: Did you see what I wrote on the article's talk page? I already added "Gaza" in brackets beside the Ministry to indicate the region they say they are documenting as an attempt at compromise. EkoGraf (talk) 17:14, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

For various reasons I don't think that's sufficient clarification, but that that's actually also a revert; this edit removed "Gaza" and added "Hamas", to distinguish between the "Palestinian Ministry of Health" run by Hamas and the one by the PLA; you partially reverted that, switching back from "Hamas" to "Gaza". That is another edit you need to undo.

We can discuss further, but at this point you need to undo your reverts, and you need to be much more careful in the future. BilledMammal (talk) 17:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: Wholy redundant since I wrote "Gaza" already beside the Ministry, but here [6] if this satisfies your need. And this [7] was not a revert, but a change. Because I did not revert Meeepmep's edit to the last version that was at the time of Bacus15's edit, but instead changed a word in his text to a form that was not previously in the article at all. EkoGraf (talk) 17:24, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't; please fully revert the three reverts that you are still able to revert. If you don't, I will open a report at WP:AE. Note that partial reverts are still reverts; that would include switching the disambiguater from "Hamas" back to "Gaza". BilledMammal (talk) 17:28, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: At this point, I have no idea anymore which "three" reverts you are talking about, since you focused on one the last few messages. Which three now? List them. EkoGraf (talk) 17:32, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, I did not partially revert Meeepmep, I changed a word he added to a word that wasn't previously used. By your logic you should report everybody who edited the article today. EkoGraf (talk) 17:34, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: Waiting for a clear list of the specific three. EkoGraf (talk) 17:36, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Please, be patient and give me a minute to build the list.

14:27, 8 October 2023 - needs be partially reverted, specifically where you switched "Hamas" to "Gaza"

15:59, 8 October 2023

16:40, 8 October 2023 - needs to be partially reverted, specifically where you changed "killed in Gaza" to just "killed".

BilledMammal (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal:
1st edit - again, I did not undue or reverse Meeepmep's edit, in whole or in part. I made a change to a word he added, that is not a revert. But, if you will have again satisfaction from that here [8].
2nd edit - again, I added a new source and wrote according to that source (as I said on the talk page, please read it), quote from the source [9] - "The IDF has said that it has killed more than 400 Palestinian terrorists, both in Israel and in strikes in Gaza." Do you deny that's what the source says?
3rd edit You did see my edit here [10]? EkoGraf (talk) 17:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for reverting the first edit.

For the second edit, the sources appear to disagree; the BBC says "And 400 Palestinian gunmen have been killed and dozens arrested during the fighting in Israel, according to the Israeli military." That is something that can be discussed on the talk page; for now, you need to self-revert.

For the third, you haven't self-reverted; you've put the information in a different location. Please revert fully. EkoGraf (talk) 18:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)BilledMammal (talk) 17:49, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

@BilledMammal: So you have no problem me reverting, and thereby removing a source that explicetly contradicts your stance. Ok, got it, here [11], if you wish the information to be mispresented.

@BilledMammal: Aha. So moving a completely unchanged text from outside the brackets to inside them (is also considered a revert now per Wikipedia's guidelines)? Ok, cool. Here you go [12]. You should really ask the administrators then to update their official stance what is considered a revert "An edit or a series of consecutive edits that undoes or manually reverses other editors' actions—whether in whole or in part—counts as a revert." which at the moment doesn't fall under what you consider a revert. EkoGraf (talk) 18:02, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. BilledMammal (talk) 18:04, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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