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Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease

Why did you write that the 2007 article by Manuelidis et al in PNAS was not peer reviewed? PNAS is a peer-reviewed journal. Further, from which source did you conclude that the virus-like particles were found "in less than 10% of the cells"? I don't want to say that Manuelidis' hypothesis is necessarily correct, but it seems that you misrepresented her work. Icek 09:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. PNAS is a scientific journal that accepts research articles for publication through direct as well as indirect submission. If you have friends in the National Academy of Sciences, then they can "communicate" a maximum of two articles per year to PNAS via "Track 1". These articles do not go through the regular/normal procedure of peer review.

You can find that "Cells infected with scrapie and Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease agents produce intracellular 25-nm virus-like particles" PNAS | February 6, 2007 | vol. 104 | no. 6 | 1965-1970 has been "communicated" by someone called Sheldon Penman, who is indeed a member of the NAS.

If you read the said article carefully, you will find that in Figure 2D, the number of N2a+22L cells containing the so-called "virus-like particles" is less than 10%. Is it well known that N2a cells, like a lot of historical cell lines, are infected with many retroviruses that may or may not have anything to do with neurodegeneration.Edchoi 16:51, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for educating me! Icek 04:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Please have a look at http://www.pnas.org/misc/iforc.shtml to notice that all articles to PNAS go through a form of peer-review. To call them "non-peer-reviewed" is misleading. Tomwithanh 17:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it's misleading to call "communicated" papers simply "non peer-reviewed", but they don't go through the normal process of peer review; the 2 reviewers are chosen by the NAS member who "communicates" the paper. I think they should not be represented as being on the same level as normal PNAS articles. Maybe we should simply omit the word "peer-reviewed" (as I did now in my last edit). Icek 02:19, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Let's call it "friends approved", shall we?! Just kidding. I'm actually more worried about ONLY quoting this particular paper here in wikipedia, especially since it wasn't the first time the mysterious "CJD virus-like particles" have been photographed by EM. The search for the elusive CJD virus started in the 70s and has yielded a basket full of inconclusive papers through the years. Before prions, they thought it could be self-replicatinig sugars, DNA coated with sugars, retroviruses, unusual viruses, nake DNA, etc etc. I feel that we should include all these different models that have been proposed, as well as the large body of evidence that excluded all these ideas and helped us to understand that it is just proteins, after all.Edchoi 15:32, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Of course it would be nice if you could expand the article accordingly. Icek 17:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

LGBT people

Hi Edchoi!

I notice you've recently added LGBT people categories to several articles - Yonfan, Xiaomingxiong, Anthony Wong Yiu Ming, Wyman Wong‎, Roman Tam‎, and Chet Lam (maybe others?). Are these folks really gay? For almost all of them you've added the category, but no indication in the article about their sexuality, and no reference to a reliable source about their sexuality. Help? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi SatyrTN. Yes I'm working on expanding the wiki list of LGBT people from Hong Kong. I actually want to ask wikipedia about its policy on such matter. What do we do with those who have diseased and those choose to remain in the closet. This is important especially in the East, where individuals may be out socially, but never gave formal media interviews on the subject specifically. A requirement for printed "proofs" would contribute to the continual lost of LGBT visibility in history. Edchoi

Diseased?

Wikipedia's policy is pretty clear. We don't "out" anyone. So if they have chosen to stay in the closet, we let them stay there. A very notable example is Jodie Foster, who has lived with a woman for 15 years and is raising children with her, but has never stated that she was a lesbian. We've got several sources on the article, but we do not label her as such.

I'd be glad to help you with individuals as we can. For instance, I was just reading your additon to Anthony Wong Yiu Ming. Can you provide a translation of the two articles you referenced? I'm worried about them, since "it is fairly well known" does not work in an encyclopedia :)

Thanks for your help! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 22:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi SatyrTN, in keeping with the current wikipedia practice, may be we should not list Anthony Wong on the LGBT people, until he has officially come out then. Thanks again~! Edchoi 01:11, 21 March 2008

Wyman Wong

Hi. You deleted all my contributions on Wyman Wong. On what ground did you classify my listing of his gay-themed song lyrics as a WP:BLP violation"? I would appreciate it if you're not so ruthless in coming after my work. Thank you. Edchoi (talk) 03:42, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Edchoi! I deleted that information because I couldn't find any reliable sources for it. The link you had provided: [1] was a forum message, which is not considered reliable. If you can provide a source for the info, preferably in English, please feel free to add it back. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 06:35, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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