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Your GA nomination of William Pantulf

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Request for clarification for reverting my edits at Anselm of Canterbury

You reverted my edits in Anselm of Canterbury. How is makes things more confusing for beginning editors a valid reason? (WP:ONLYREVERT / WP:REVEXP). Also isn't just a c. is confusing for non-native English speaker. Template adds a tool tip which explains what it is. Not to mention tooltip would would be really helpful for disabled people using screen reader software. --Jayarathina (talk) 13:05, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Templates don't help with screen readers though, and tooltips don't help folks who are accessing with a mobile device or with older computer systems. There is no need for a template with it's confusing markup for a simple word. Simplicity is a perfectly valid reason. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:14, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Templates do help screen readers. If you see the generated mark up, it adds an abbr tag. Accessibility software do read that tag.[1] so does accessibility software on mobile devices. Accessibility is just one of the benefits, there are many other benefits to use proper markup tag on a page.[2] Our end user is not an editor, but the reader (the one who reads the wiki to get information). It is him that we should tailor our page. Also simplicity is NOT a valid reason. There is absolutely no Wikipedia policy to revert good faith edits just to make the markup clean. --Jayarathina (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

You could have at least waited until this discussion is over and explain your rational before making more similar changes. --Jayarathina (talk) 18:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I made the changes to address the issue you brought up - you said that the abbreviation was hard for people to understand so I changed it to the proper word. I removed the death/age template because it was used improperly - it was giving an exact age at death which is wrong when we only know an approximate date of birth. I hadn't noticed that someone had put that in, so when I noticed it, I took it out. The popups do NOT help people on mobile devices and it's always better to avoid too much markup. Now, if someone doesn't understand the word, they can click on it to go to the article on it and there are no abbreviations which folks might not understand. Ealdgyth - Talk 18:39, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I was not talking about death date at all. I was talking only about the circa changes. Tool tips are not pop ups. There is not going to be a popup anywhere. The HTML code is readable by accessibility software, even if it is not visible on old browsers, programs like JAWS can read it. When MOS and Accessibility guidelines state that proper tags should be used giving circa as an explicit example why shouldn't we use it? Also abbreviation exists for a reason. "c." is directly recommended in the manual of style. (If you want to link to the article the template has an lk parameter for that. Moreover this template is neither complex nor hard to understand. Even basic user should be able to use it.) Just that you know, this is not about this single article, there are more than 7000 articles using this template, are you planning to revert it in all of those pages? --Jayarathina (talk) 18:54, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm not planning on mass removing it, but I don't see a need for it. Are you planning on mass-adding it? It's not required, it's not needed, and your points about needing to explain it have been dealt with. Simpler markup is better. It falls purely into a "I like it/I don't like it" kinda thing - so it's use or not use should be decided on a case by case basis. And whether or not it's called a tooltip or a popup, doesn't change the fact that it does not work on mobile/tablet devices (as I just double checked for myself). Ealdgyth - Talk 19:01, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

I am not going to mass edit it. Just that you know, reverting constructive edits without a valid reason and only because "I don't like it" and is really discouraging. ---Jayarathina (talk) 06:08, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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Ac

Teach me, please. I understand that authority control is now on wikidata, as interwiki links. To have both central makes a lot of sense to me, for normal cases. If it is safer to have data here, as you say, why only VIAF and not all the other numbers? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:34, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I don't trust wikidata with anything. There is no actual concept of providing sources for any information. When I attempted to correct mistakes on wikidata, I was reverted because information from wikipedias that did not have any sources was just as reliable as the information from english wikipedia with sources and removing wrong information that was on some wikipedia without sources was a bad idea according to wikidata. Importing data from wikidata when that's the concept of sourcing they have is just plain a bad idea. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:40, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

See Wilfrid's history on wikidata and my talk page on Wikidata. It's not worth my time, and I'm not in favor of removing information here because it's hosted on wikidata - where they don't seem to get the concept of what's correct. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:44, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I understand your point, but then don't see why you want only the VIAF here while the complete set is

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   LCCN: n84070070
   ISNI: 0000 0000 6629 6685
   GND: 118807293
   SELIBR: 210359
   BPN: 31341651

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

I did not add the stupid AC template. I had nothing to do with the content of it. I did check that it was going to the correct thing before reverting it, but really, this is worth bothering with? If it's going to be there, I saw no reason to not have whatever you removed restored. At this point, considering the pain in the ass bother of the replies and everything, I"m tempted to totally remove it (because originally AC was going to be just for "writers" and now it's morphed into something huge that does all sorts of things that really aren't that important for the mission of wikipedia .. which is writing content. Not to be testy or anything but ... I have limited wiki time any more. The more time I spend dealing with wikidata and other crap rather than working on articles.. please don't reply back. If you feel it must be reverted, revert. But let me get back to worrying about article content and what's important to our readers (which is accuracy of information, right? Wikidata hasn't shown me that it's concerned with accuracy, thus I'm opposed to removing information because it's coming through wikidata.) Ealdgyth - Talk 18:38, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. I don't revert, period ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:20, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

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