User talk:ERcheck/Archive 4

This is Archive 4 of my talk page. It is archived using the Cut-and-Paste method.

Below the line, you will find the talk portion of the page for July 2006 (through July 30, 2006).

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Portal Coordination

I threw up my 1st draft of the new feature article on the Coordination page. The paragraph needs some editing. If you could make a few chops and add a little bit that would be great. If you could put it up in the window when you are done that would be great. Thanks--Looper5920 12:21, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

• Still some work to do. Can be posted once we have completed the updates. — ERcheck (talk) @ 19:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Thomas P. Noonan, Jr.

No, I don't remember but, his name rings a bell. I'm going to check and see. It may have been because he was from New York. I want to share something with you, I want to share it because you're my friend. I used to be a gang leader in N.Y. (leather jackets and all). My girlfriend's brother Dominic D'Angelis joined the Army and was sent to "Nam". He was the first person from Queens to die over there. We were all so devasted with tghe news that all the guys (All of them!) in the gang joined the Armed Forces. We wanted some payback. One of my guys even became a "Top Gun". I'm proud that I joined the Corps and that I somehow served my country. I'm sorry, I just wanted to share this with somebody. Semper Fi. Tony the Marine 23:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry

I accidentally added my sig on User:Adam1213/autowarns4. I'm really sorry, I can't figure out how to change it back. Arg. .ιΙ Inhuman14 Ιι.^{( talk | contrib)} 15:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Anything I can do to help? .ιΙ Inhuman14 Ιι.^{( talk | contrib)} 14:26, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Project tags

There are no MilHist project tags on Robert Edward Femoyer nor Mitchell Paige. Rlevse 20:31, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Random project

I got the bug to remove all of the red links on the page for Steven W. Lindsey. He is the current shuttle commander and deserves a decent looking page. I also find that doing article on other services breaks things up a bit like the Valiant Shield page. I am about to finish the 12th TRS page but thought I'd throw it out there to see if you would be interested.--Looper5920 00:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

• At first glance, I think the article is a bit overlinked, which results in a lot of redlinks. My first impression — the redlinks are outside of my area of expertise. I'll see if there are any I can take on. (Don't hold your breath. :-) Thanks for the advice on breaking things up. With the recent milestone achieved, I'm planning on taking a little break — which is good timing as RL is heating up. I put in some blanks for next month's coordination, plus and idea for next July 4. — ERcheck (talk) 01:27, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, AERCam Sprint stub. But, fireworks call. — ERcheck (talk) 01:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

RE:your message

~~~~Adam1213 Talk + 04:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC) can not be a signature anymore. Doing this would require someone that can edit the database or something like this, or an admin to use rollback, to fix it. While rollback seems like a good idea I don't think it is intended to be used for this purpose. === . === It would probably require a developer or someone with database access. It would be good if it could be insterted easily and all but I dont think there is really a need. --~~~~ odd very odd, my sig.... --~~~~

Did you know?

On July 8, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William T. Perkins, Jr., which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Location of Portal links

I've noticed that in articles you tend to put the portal link (using {{portal}}) fairly high up, often under an infobox. I don't want to go around like a WikiStalker and revert you everywhere, but I thought I'd point you to the instructions on Template:Portal and the consensus on the talk page (e.g. Template talk:Portal#Where to put it?). The portal link should only ever be put in the "See also" section, with the possible exception of articles with the same title as a major portal, in which case it is sometimes the practice to put it in the top right. I can see the logic to putting it underneath infoboxes but that's currently considered bad practice. The place to argue for a change in instructions would be at Template talk:Portal; for now, though, the portal link should definitely go into the "See also" sections. TheGrappler 14:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I'd just changed three. But they were selected for a reason - three cases of Medal of Honor recipients who had smothered grenades, so made a natural "triangle" of "See also" links. One problem with the current "Use the 'See also' section" guidance is that if there are no articles listed in that section, just the portal link, the section collapses in an ugly way. So long as two things are listed under "See also" it actually looks okay, hence the "triangle". Hope you don't mind - I won't be changing any more. There's not really a portal template co-ordinator, though, and consensus about using the "see also" section seems pretty strong at the moment. One more thing you might like to know - you don't need to use "portalpar" anymore - {{portal}} now does everything that portalpar did, and portalpar is now just a redirect. (You might also be interested to know that the way the fr: wikipedia deals with portal links is to make the template a flat box that takes up one line of the screen, and appears at the very bottom of the page - a far neater solution in many ways!) TheGrappler 15:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Truth be told, I can't find any earlier discussion about that template in particular. I think that's actually as a result of existing policies about the "see also" section - which will have been discussed on one of the MoS talk pages and is probably in one of the archives by now. I suspect that that to change the guidelines for using portal links, you would need to open a debate at both the MoS and the template talk page. TheGrappler 20:28, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I see your point. I half-wonder whether a category would be a good idea for this kind of thing, but I dread to think what its title would be! TheGrappler 05:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I actually quite like the idea of a List of people honored for smothering a grenade. It would be possible, in a list, to give an individual's name, nationality and rank, the honor they received, whether or not they survived, a brief note for anything especially noteworthy (e.g. if they survived or not, or if the grenade came from a "friendly" source) and reference it. It would be possible to include soldiers, marines, sailors or even civilians (if there any!) who have been honored for this from a variety of different countries. It would make a good "See also" link for the articles for the members of the list. TheGrappler 05:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

RE:DYK

It's always good to hear from you. I read the articles about the Battle of Hakodate and William T. Perkins, Jr. and found them great. I've been working on the 2nd Battalion, 9th Marines, an article created by Looper, little by little. How do you like it so far? Man, this week was a little rough. Wife still sick, mother-in-law was in intensive (better now) (I'm the family commanding officer) but, on the lighter side I was invited to a boxing event by boxing promotor Roberto Duran and we hang out together. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 01:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

• Yep, I did like what you did to the MOH in the article. That's exactly why I did the same to the others. I think you, Looper and I make a great team article and friendship wise. Semper Fi. Tony the Marine 01:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Question

I was looking over the DYK section. Wasn't Operation Dewey Canyon the last battle in which 2/9 participated in Nam but, not of the Vietnam War? To my understanding May 15, 1975, is considered to be the last official battle of the 2nd Battalion, 9th Marines in the Vietnam War in the so-called Mayaguez Incident which led to a firefight on Koh Island. Check it out. Tony the Marine 04:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

MilHist articles

Matabele War, First Boer War and Second Boer War all need MilHist tags and Matabele is in sad, sad, shape. Rlevse 12:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually made the DYK

Thanks for the heads up to make the article. The Operation Dewey Canyon article made the DYK section on the Main Page. 2 U.S. Marine articles in 2 days on the main page. Not to shabby. Again, thanks.--Looper5920 09:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Chat

Hi buddy, thanks for asking, under the circumstances the family is doing much better, thank you. As you know I finished the 2/9 article with a passion. Somebody asked me to do something in regard to the Hispanics awarded the MOH and I did that yesterday, take a look at Hispanics awarded the Medal of Honor (Some links lead to articles written by you). I noticed that there was a Hispanic Marine in the Boxer Rebellion called France Silva who was awarded the medal and that there isn't an article on him. Interested? Let me know. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 23:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Great job! and nice images too! Check this out, it seems like an old newspaper drawing of what I assume is France Silva [[1]]. Tony the Marine 01:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Muchas Gracias

Thanks for writing the Daniel Fernandez article, as well as for your work on the Hispanic MOH recipients. -- Murcielago 02:46, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Peralta

O.K., you go for the Silva article. I hope to add Peralta to the list someday and to see your MOH infobox on it. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 03:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Peralta

Yes, and the English article is pretty good. What started me on this whole trail was that they are going to delete him from the Spanish wiki, [[2]] and there doesn't seem to be anything we can do to stop it. Unfortunately there aren't folks like you and Tony on that wiki. -Murcielago 03:11, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it doesn't seem like the biography criteria are any different - it's just that there are lots of folks hostile to America is what it comes down to. I (nuevomexicano on that page), and a fellow English-language wiki friend (Rockero) of mine and Tony's tried to put up an argument, but we got kyboshed because we hadn't contributed enough or been on Wiki Español long enough to be able to vote (30 days or 100 edits). They even ignored Rockero's well reasoned logic for why inclusion was proper. The unintended benefit was that it got me interested in Peralta and that led me to Tony, which led to the MOH page that you and Tony have worked so hard on. --Murcielago 07:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Luis G. Fortuño

My friend I have been meaning to write to you since yesterdy. When Murcialago told me about what was going on with Peralta in the Spanish-wiki, I took a look and it really pissed me off that they want to delete his article. I told them that Wiki is not a dictatorship and sounded off but, my comments were deleted. It seems that their are a lot of people over there who are anti-American and have converted the article into a political issue. It's a pity.

Thank you for the Luis G. Fortuño link. I was really impressed with the quote by General MacArthur. I will add it to my 65th Infantry article and the Military history of Puerto Rico. Luis G. Fortuño said some heavy stuff there and he is right in the fact that even though Puerto Ricans in the island have sacrificed themselves in every conflict, they still are not allowed to vote. I guess the truth of the matter is that the U.S. has the last say in regard to weather Puerto Rico will someday be a state or an independent nation. Tony the Marine 02:18, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Formatting help

Could you look at this section of the Cactus Air Force article and see if you can put the units in a better form than is currently there. I am terrible at these things. Thanks--Looper5920 02:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

• I will leave it to you as far as the format. I am not for or against anything at the moment so have at it. Since you have been throwing the red links at me I am going to throw one at you. MOH winner John L. Smith (USMC). There is one for John L. Smith, head football coach at MSU, which may explain why there is no current article on the Marine. He had 19 kills as a member of VMF-223 in WWII. See what you can do.--Looper5920 21:39, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Done. Article is John Lucian Smith with a redirect to John L. Smith (USMC). — ERcheck (talk) 23:16, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Shit hot. Looks good.--Looper5920 23:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Another USMC bio that needs some help. Woodrow Wilson Barr was a raider with a ship named after him. Bio is scant to say the least. Can you work some magic on this one?--Looper5920 10:45, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Kathy Augustine

Thank you for your recent edits to the Kathy Augustine article. I noticed that you moved my source for her Italian-American ancestry. That source is in the Nevada Controller's Press Releases, however the actual press release is in PDF format, and I had some difficulty placing a direct link on the article page. Also I was wondering if you read my comments on the article's Talk page relating to the Expansion Tag. --TommyBoy 17:14, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Could you check this out?

Man, could you check out the inline comments by Circeus posted here: [3]. I don't exactly understand what he's looking for in the official MOH citation. In regard to the other question, the answers are hard to find as to exactly Why but, the who is the Government of Mexico and if he is the only one, I haven't seen any other bio or image to confirm that there was another. What do you say? How do you thimk we should address Circeus in regard to his inline questions? Semper Fi. Tony the Marine 18:49, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Kathy Augustine Follow-up

Following our earlier discussion, I have added a direct link to the press release from the Nevada Controller's Office. --TommyBoy 19:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Speech

United States Department of Defense Speech, great reading, thanks. You know, there a few people whose judgement I completely trust. You and Looper are two of those people. Whatever corrections or contributions you make to any of the articles that I write, my faith in you and Looper are at a level that I don't even bother to check. In regard to the inline questions asked by Circeus, I'm going to let him seek his own answers and just ignore it. There is no reason to get into a possible senseless debate.

On the other hand I wanted to share with you that today I received an e-mail informing me that Puerto Rico's largest newspaper, "El Nuevo Dia" is planning on writing a featured article about "me"! Get this, they consider me an illustrious Puerto Rican (they must be crazy!). Anyway when it happens I'll let you and my other friends know. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 23:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Russell Adam Burnham

Another one to tag and evaluate. Rlevse 00:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Before I do something stupid

Could you keep an eye on MCAS Futenma. I have already reverted twice. There is a new editor making wickedly POV additions to the article. I have been super civil but I do not want to go down that road again. Maybe you could have a word with them if they add the same stuff again. Cheers and good quick work on Mr Barr's page. Bios are your bag.--Looper5920 12:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Your DYK nomination for VMU-2 was successful

Did you know? was updated. On July 18, 2006, a fact from the article VMU-2, which you recently nominated, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contributions! ++Lar: t/c 00:52, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help

I am not sure why the Peralta article has been nominated for deletion. The user who put the tag on the article seems to be primarily interested in computer games, not military history. I appritiate the heads up message you set me. Keep up the good work. --Brian H 02:37, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Peralta

Thanks for the heads up. I swear, I don't know why folks have it in for this fallen hero. The war may be unpopular, but that shouldn't reflect on the soldier. There are articles on people and things FAR less noteworthy that have survived for years. But as I mentioned before, they won't get away with what they did on the Spanish wike on this one. Keep up the good fight, ERCheck. -Murcielago 03:15, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 18 July, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article David B. Barkley, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

-- Grue  16:35, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Check it out

Check out my last two articles, MOH Humbert Roque Versace and his mother Marie Teresa Rios, you may find them interesting plus you can fix anything that needs fixing. Tony the Marine 23:50, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

(P.S. We gave Peralta the respect that he deserves in "our" pedia.)

Kathy Augustine Reference

Thank you for adding the archived version of Kathy Augustine's official biography from www.archive.com. I was not aware of that website until you mentioned it in your posting. --TommyBoy 02:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: Question, Humbert Versace

You know, I missed that little detail and I'm not sure if the Army had ever awarded a POW the MOH in prior wars. So, to make the situation a politically correct one, I added the fact that it was for his actions in southeast asia. Thanks for bringing that up. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 04:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for editing both articles. Great job! Tony the Marine 04:21, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

That's true there was a POW after him (I believe that Senator John McCain was one also) and according to what I understand in other wars the Navy and Marines have awarded the medal to some POW's. The thing is that Versace was the first Army POW to earn the medal in Nam. What I don't know is if the Army had ever awarded the medal to any other prisoner of war for their actions while in captivity. What do you think? Tony the Marine 04:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

• Man, it really is great to gain more and more knowledge isn't it? It's like a history lesson. One thing that I did learn for sure and that is that Versace definitly was not the first Army POW MOH but, only the first Army POW to earn the MOH in Nam. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 04:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Any Ideas?

I'm scratching my head. Silvestre S. Herrera made DYK and somebody added his "Primier Merito Miltar" to the military info box. This award was something like an honorary award given to him by the Mexican government. Now, the question is, should the award be in the info box along with the U.S. medals which he earned? What do you guys (ERcheck and Looper) say? Tony the Marine 16:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Any Ideas?

I'm scratching my head. Silvertre S. Herrera made DYK and somebody adding his "Primier Merito Miltar" to the military info box. This award was something like an honorary award given to him by the Mexican government. Now, the question is, should the award be in the info box along with the U.S. medals which he earned? What do you guys (ERcheck and Looper) say? Tony the Marine 16:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Friendly Chat

I don't believe it's personal. Maybe he's a very lonely person who doesn't have anyone else to talk to (smile) and enjoys creating debates. On the other hand, I really believe that he does not have bad intentions. The positive thing is that we may finally get the proper name of the award striaght. Tony the Marine 00:47, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks, you're the man! Check out my name suggestion on the Herrera talk and ley me know. Tony the Marine 01:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Translation.

Looks like

DECREE RESOLUTION/BILL, ARTICLE I.- permission is granted to citizen First Sergeant Assistant of Dental Doctor's Office, Pablo Mateo Méndez, to accept and to use the Medal of Honor of Military Merit: Soldier of the Country [i.e. Homeland], which is conferred on him by the Government of the Republic of Nicaragua.-- Room of Commissions "Miguel Branches Arizpe" of the H. House of Senators.- Mexico City., to October 18, 1999.

But you may want to double check with Tony. Murcielago 01:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Gracias

I present ERcheck with this Nuevo Mexicano Barnstar for creating the Daniel Fernandez article, as well as for his work on the Hispanic MoH article and related pages. Thank you. --Murcielago 04:54, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Herrera

Thanks for the kind message you left on my talk page; I've been enjoying the discussion and investigation it has entailed. The law I posted is 2003 legislation, superseding a prev. one from 31 Dec 1955; I don't know why there's a reference to this past June at the top. I've found another (fascinating) piece of Mexican legislation which I'll be posting on the Herrera talk page in a minute; from 2004, illustrations of the medals, classes, etc. Bolivian Unicyclist 14:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

1955 law: voilà. Superseding an earlier one of 11 March 1926. Bolivian Unicyclist 17:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

No, unfortunately. I've not been able to dig up the '26 law. And that's the one that would have applied to his award (given in '46, per the article's "one year after"). Bolivian Unicyclist 23:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Chat

Of my last four articles, three made DYK, have you seen Humbert Roque Versace on the main page? Will you now accept a nomination for adminship? A person like you who has made so many contributions to Wiki can make good use of the extra perks. Tony the Marine 19:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• O.K., I'm scratching my head again (if I keep this up I'm not going to have any hair left). I know that I say that I'm going to slow down with the articlesbut but, I'm tempted to write the bio of Civil War MoH Joseph H. De Castro who belonged to Company I, 19th Massachusetts Infantry. Wouldn't he be considered the Army's first Hispanic MoH and not David B. Barkley as it is commonly believed? I feel that we must be politically correct on this issue, so what do you think? Tony the Marine 20:32, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: von Moltke's importance...

You wrote: do you feel that his contribution as a military strategist is more notable that his role as field marshall and/or as chief of staff of the Prussian army?

Based on what I read and the evaluations of Moltke by later historians I think von Moltke is remarkable for his organizational reforms to the Prussian military. I think he can be viewed as the man who really created military science at the command level. By carefully, thoughtfully considering all the factors which underlay military success, Moltke made the Prussian army much more effective than its size alone would suggest. Also I believe a case can be made that his reforms were vital for the high performance of the German army in both World War I and World War II, though this is just speculation as the Prussian army had performed well historically since the time of Fredrick the Great.

As to his qualities as a field marshall, its hard to say more than he was successful in his two wars, but he won at significant costs in men when I think equal victories could have been achieved with much fewer losses to the Prussian army. So, I evaluate him as a highly skilled professional military leader, perhaps the best of his time, but not a once-in-500-years genius like Napoleon.Cglassey 22:07, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

De Castro

My father-in-law tells me that there are De Castro's from the Spanish Canary Islands (It so happens that Joseph's wife came from there.) and that most of them even dropped the "De" when they immigrated to the New World (He's not that old). Anyway, since he is reffered to as Hispanic it may be safe to assume that he was of Spanish descent but, a Hispanic-American since he was born here (USA).

I figured the following, the 19th Mass was an all volunteer unit (a Militia), not part of the regular Army, that when activated fell under the command of Col. Hicks. After the Civil War they were disactivated. Since they were really civilians and not professional soildiers then we can safely assume that even though De Castro was the awarded the first Hispanic-American awarded the MoH, since he was not a professional soldier in the regular Army he was not the first Hispanic awarded the MoH by the Army.

Does this make sense to you? Tony the Marine 00:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• I check the site and found this which if applied to the National Guard would most likely have applied to an all volunteer unit: "Withdraw federal recognition. To remove the designation of an Army National Guard unit from the official rolls of the United States Army. Federal recognition is withdrawn when the unit no longer meets Army requirements or is no longer needed in the force structure" Tony the Marine 01:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Medal of Honor

Did you notice this is up for FA removal? One person said there was "no progress". One thing that jumped out at me is that the refs are all out of whack. I'd hate to see this get de-FA'd. I'll try to help on the refs. Rlevse 01:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• I just fixed the refs. There may be a few stragglers.Rlevse 02:05, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Chat pt.2

Since we have determined that De Castro was awarded the MoH while his unit was part of the Army, that would make him the first Hispanic Army MoH. Now, the question is, Did the Army somehow overlook this fact by officially declaring David B. Barkley its first Hispanic MoH. This there an official verifiable site which which states that David B. Barkley was offically recognized as the first Hispanic Army MoH? I know that those questions are going to be asked. In the Humbert Roque Versace talk page they asked questions and thanks to one of your references, I was able to answer. Should the statements in David B. Barkley page in reagard to this claim be fixed if unproven? Tony the Marine 17:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

• I guess the best thing to do for now, is to not do anything and see what happens. Don't you agree? Tony the Marine 02:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Joseph H. De Castro

So, what do think of the article? Does it look O.K? Check out a comment I left in the talk page of Puerto Rican Flag, right I'm right? Tony the Marine 04:58, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Oh, I be here daily. Aritcle writing takes a lot of my time but, don't be surprised if a subject tempts me. Hell, I've made some good friends here and I don't have to tell you that you are one of them. I'm an old Marine so, it won't be that easy to get rid of me, I'll be here everyday checking things. Besides, I still have a little matter of a potential future admin to solve (smile). Tony the Marine 05:21, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• • Thank you buddy, I just came across the following: "Carmen Contreras-Bozak (from Puerto Rico) became the first Hispanic woman to serve in the Women’s Army Corps as an interpreter and in numerous administrative capacities". See what I mean? Oh well, I guess that'll be my final article. Tony the Marine 06:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Admin nom

Thank you for saying, yes. Let me work on the speech and I'll get be back to you to make it official. Man, it was 118 degrees over here yesterday but, nothing compared to the 126 of July 26, 1990. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 19:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Sandbox

You messed with my Sandbox. Hey, you're my pal and I like what you did. Tony the Marine 20:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Go (please) to my Sandbox and check out the article. Fix whatever so, that I can work on my speech. Tony the Marine 01:23, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

88You are right, my mistake Tony the Marine 02:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Minor request

I'm having some minor probs. with the comp. Please update the numbers in the toolbox in my SB. Let me know when done. Tony the Marine 05:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

RfA

• Small reminder, don't forget to post your nomination (smile). Tony the Marine 19:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

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Gideon Welles

You may want to tag this, and also could you see if you can tell why external links is in a different font? I put the MOH info in it, it wasn't there before. Rlevse 16:37, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• Tagged and fixed the font. It was a result of the small font for the reference setion. — ERcheck (talk)

More tagging: USS Liberty (AGTR-5) and William McGonagle, it's captain, the famous Liberty Incident. Rlevse 17:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• Will do. — ERcheck (talk) 17:09, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• • I tagged USS Liberty incident for you, using the same info you tagged the ship article with.Rlevse 19:11, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

MOH Status

I've gone through every one of Melchoir's, very good, inputs. Let's see what happens. Put this on Kirill's page too. Rlevse 19:12, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Great

Great answers, now go for it. Tony the Marine 20:01, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Lopez

Looks good, I'll see what else I can find. Check this out: "Marine PFC Guy Gabaldón, from East Los Angeles, single-handedly captured over 1,000 enemy soldiers in the summer of 1944—more than anyone in the history of military conflicts." I found that here: [4]. What do you think? Tony the Marine 04:24, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

• Check out the "new" Miss Universe Zuleyka Rivera (smile). Tony the Marine 04:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Holly Molly, you've got more support votes in 24 hrs. then I did in my whole RfA. Cool! Tony the Marine 19:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Chat

Yep, I agree with you on Pedro del Valle. I noticed that there was a stub about Guy Gabaldon so, I just added the infobox and "stubded" it. That article needs some work. Semper Fi Tony the Marine 02:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Calvin Graham

Needs MILHIST tag. I looked it up because I saw the movie on tape about 1990, very interesting true story. I updated the refs and added a tidbit for you. Rlevse 11:47, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Carl Brashear too, he died yesterday, and I looked him up. I hope it's okay me letting you know about all these. If you find an untagged Scouting article, let me know. Rlevse 11:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Naval Station Norfolk needs tagged--someone missed the largest navy base in the world? Ugh! I'm retired Navy. Rlevse 12:03, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• Done, done and done.--Looper5920 12:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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Might I be so forward as to suggest that you run for the position? :-) Kirill Lokshin 00:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, we have seven positions open, so we definitely need all the good candidates we can get. Think it over; I hope you'll decide to run :-) Kirill Lokshin 02:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I also suggest you run for a position in the project, you were a driving force in getting the Australian taskforce up and running and your no even an Aussie. Your also a dedicated contributor with a very solid knowledge base. My 2 cents Hossens27 08:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Friendly Fire casulties - AGAIN

Another ill thought through block causes collateral damage:

Thanks for blocking the voter

Thanks for blocking 130.216.191.84 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) after the string of votes on AFD. — ERcheck (talk) 05:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• No problem. Roy A.A. 05:20, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

"Your user name or IP address has been blocked from editing. You were blocked by Royboycrashfan for the following reason (see our blocking policy): stuffing the ballot box in AFD discussions Your IP address is 130.216.191.84."

IP 130.216.191.84 = The University of Auckland, accessible by 30,000 students and several thousand staff) has been blocked by USER:Royboycrashfan, who does not have an email to contact. Not for the first time a heavy handed and ineffectual administrator attack on IP addresses is misdirected. As a response to vandalism and abuse blocking IP addresses used by thousands of people seems from my perspective to create far more trouble than the problem and in the case of vandalism, causing administrators to block others is almost certainly one of the aims of the vandal - in my gloomy outlook, this sort of blocking is really another form of vandalism, just practised by administrators. Please remove the block and if possible 1. ensure blockers are contactable by email and 2. if at all possible put some note against the IP address for administrators to engage brain before blocking. For all future problems with this IP address could I strongly suggest the appropriate response is to block anonymous users only.

Note this has been restored. Thank you. However please check the IP address before blocking in future. Winstonwolfe 09:24, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Chat

So far you're doing real good. Now in regard to your question, No, I don't consider somebody of Portugese heritage Hispanic. Even though at one time Portugal was part of the Spanish Empire. That also applies to Brazil. Even though that nation is part of South America and considered as a Latin-American country, Brazilians are still not considered Hispanics. Since De Castro is mentioned as a Hispanic in most sites and there are "De Castros" in Spain, it would be safe to assume that his ancestors were Spanish.

There are two things about De Castro that called my attention.

1. In Portugese it is more common the use of "Di" then "De" in surnames.
2. The other is that his wife was from the Spanish Canary Islands. I believe (I may be wrong) that during those days it would have been more logical to marry someone who shares common interests with you, like language and customs. Maybe (and remember I'm no expert) the pioneers in the west tended to interracially marry more because of the initial lack of women of their race.

I looked at the Jose M. Lopez article and I took out the sentence that stated that he was the fifth Hispanic awarded The HoM. I pointed out that the following MoH's were awarded before his: 3-Civil War, 1-Boxer Rebelion and 1-World War I. Tony the Marine 00:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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I found this Definition:

1) "One who lived at, or near, a castle or fortress" 2)"One from Castro, the name of over places in Spain. Found principally in Aragón, Castile and Catalonia".

The thing is that it wasn't uncommon in Spain to add a "De", which means "from", to a surname which would indicate where the person came from. Examaples: De Soto, De Leon. In the case of Pedro del Valle, his name would mean Peter from the Valley.

Another thing, it is a common practice in Hispanic culture for the bride to add her husbands' surname by adding a "De" after her own surname. So, you have to wonder if the immigration officials at Ellis Island sometimes assumed that the "De" in a mothers passport also applied to their children. Tony the Marine 01:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Got another one for you

Was wondering if you could do that voodoo, that you do, so well to Lewis William Walt. Just happened across it and I think you will agree that it is not up to snuff. --Looper5920 04:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Template

Do you think it would be worth creating a template allong the lines of the one for the United States Air Force. I think it would make the main USMC page look much sharper. Thoughts?--Looper5920 05:10, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:Military history of the U.S. during WW2

Thank you. Yeah, I've been meaning to go through and check all of the links to main articles. Thanks for the heads up. Rmt2m 09:58, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank You

I just want to thank you for the work that you did on my Grandfather's Wiki page, Welton Ralph Abell.

Thanks, Ryan Abell

Congratulations

(I just wanted to be the first)

I, Tony the Marine, as the nominator of ERcheck to administrator status, present you with your adminship. Pilot her well!

It is with great pleasure that I, Tony the Marine, present you, ERcheck with your official Adminship on this day, 30 July 2006. I know that I made a great choice and that you will be a great administrator. You can place this plaque on your user page. I am proud to be your Wiki-Godfather (smile). Tony the Marine 05:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Medal of Honor

Could you someone in your project give this a final copyedit? The FAR is almost over and it's at that point where they want a final copyedit but I'm not a mind reader and I've been heavily involved in saving it. A third party would see things I wouldn't. I asked Kirill too. Thanks. Rlevse 14:18, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

MOH survived FAR, it's closed! Yippee! Rlevse 14:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar, it's much appreciated and I'm glad you appreciate the efforts. It's my first award outside of Scouting articles. I'm glad our projects work well together. Rlevse 22:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)