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hello, I've updated this article with lots of info and I'd like to get some feedback about the content. All of the content was translated by myself from slovenian resources. My questions are, I also have some photographic material of my own and I'd like to put it in the article, how do I do this the proper way? I have also requested to get the GNU license for some texts ( that I'll enrich this article with) where do I put that ?
Since I am new to wikipedia I'd also ask how do I mark different names of the club trough history and its translations in the article?
thank you for assistance
Hi there.
- Please make a new section in your talk page to start new conversations like this. I've added
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- You should not add huge amounts of quoted text to articles; please see WP:QUOTE for advice about this.
- I'm not sure what you mean about "mark different names of the club" - please could you explain further (below here)
I will now look at the article, and will leave more comments here very soon, Cheers, Chzz ► 12:59, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
hello, thank you thus far. Regarding club names, due to its 50 years history, club made some changes in the past (if you read history section of the article you'll see), it changed names from rk sostanj, to šrk velenje, then rk gorenje velenje and then rk gorenje, I was just wondering should I show this somewhere explicitly and if there is a posibility that when users search for artcle about rk gorenje that their search would match even if they type different name of the club into searchbox ? there are also some issues with translations of certain names, like the slovenian name of their home arena (rdeča dvorana-red hall) or the name of the region they come from ( šaleška dolina-salek valley), how do I make these things clear ? --revelation restricts 16:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Re. names - it might be best to write a paragraph under == Club history == but before === 1958 - 1972 ===, explaining the name changes with dates.
- You can solve the name problem by creating redirect pages, which is a one-line article that redirects to another. For example, you could make an article called rk gorenje velenje which contains the following;
#REDIRECT [[RK Gorenje]]- This will result in anyone searching for "rk gorenje" being redirected to the article.
- To make the language clear, you can use this;
...home ground is red hall (''{{lang|sl|rdeča dvorana}}''). This appears as; ...home ground is red hall (rdeča dvorana).
- To make the language clear, you can use this;
Review of the article RK Gorenje
This is excellent, for your first attempt. There's a few things that need fixing;
- Some of the grammar needs work; you could ask for help with that in [[WP:FEED].
- You need to use references inline, with every fact, rather than at the top or the end of a section - for example;
In 1958, when section of handball was established at TVD Partizan, organised handball started to develop in town of Sostanj, Slovenia.[1] Handball was pioneered by young men in local schools with the help of some basketball players.[1] The first pioneers were; Miligoj Jarnovič, Pavle Bukovac and Jože Pukmajster.[1]
- ^ a b c Gavrilovski, Mitja (2002), 50 let rokometa v Šaleški dolini (in Slovenian) (Velenje : Rokometni klub Gorenje, 2002 ed.), Velenje: Bizjak, 120554240
{{citation}}:|access-date=requires|url=(help);|format=requires|url=(help); Invalid|nopp=192(help); Unknown parameter|laysummary=ignored (help); Unknown parameter|nopp=ignored (|no-pp=suggested) (help)CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link) Available via the COBISS system from Slovenian libraries at COBISS.SI
The code to make the above is;
In 1958, when section of handball was established at TVD Partizan, organised handball started to develop in town of [[Sostanj]], [[Slovenia]].<ref name="mitja">{{citation
|last=Gavrilovski
|first=Mitja
|title=50 let rokometa v Šaleški dolini
|format=monograph, language materials, printed
|accessdate=2 May 2009
|edition=Velenje : Rokometni klub Gorenje, 2002
|year=2002
|publisher= Bizjak
|location=[[Velenje]]
|language=[[Slovene language|Slovenian]]
|id=120554240
|nopp=192
|laysummary=proceedings, festschrift, etc.
}}
Available via the [[COBISS]] system from [[Slovene language|Slovenian]] libraries at [http://www.cobiss.si/ COBISS.SI]
</ref> Handball was pioneered by young men in local schools with the help of some basketball players.<ref name="mitja"/> The first pioneers were; Miligoj Jarnovič, Pavle Bukovac and Jože Pukmajster.<ref name="mitja"/>
Tips on referencing
There are lots of ways to do this, some are simple, some more complex.
Personally, I like using citation templates, and fill in as much as I possibly can; maybe a bit more work, but I think it looks better. You have a <REF> at the start, then a suitable cite tag, then </REF>. An example usage is;
<ref>
{{Citation
| last = Preston
| first = Peter
| title = D. H. Lawrence in the modern world
| last2 = Hoare
| first2 = Peter
| author2-link =
| publication-date = 1989
| edition = illustrated
| place = [[Cambridge]], [England]
| publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
| page = 125
| isbn = 0-521-37169-4
| url = http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=J5nRoaOwkPMC&printsec=frontcover#PPA125,M1
| accessdate = 2008-05-11
}}
</ref>
For all the possible things to include, see Template:Citation
Of course, you don't have to put everything in, just whatever you can. The above example is a book, but I've included a 'convenience link' to a website that displays it.
Then, at the end of the document (but before any 'category' tags), you need a references section. You just put,
== References ==
{{reflist}}
Hard work? - help is at hand. There are lots of tools that create cite tags automagically. Personally, I use Zotero for the web links, and the cite book generator for books.
I also recommend you look at other articles and copy from them - especially featured articles, which should have good refs.
Further questions
editHello, thank you for these tips, I have created several articles that redirect back to RK Gorenje now, so that ought to clear some mess. I have also put the list of previus name under section team, and have rearranged this section to fill in more information. However there are two more questions I need to ask, first when I am going to write under the section of team, I will use some information from the section of Club history, could it be done in a way to make interlink or something? So that I dont repeat myslef or to lead the reader to further reading. Also another question about refrencing, whole section of Club history is translated from slovenian text that is taken from that book (50 years of handball), so I still need to cite every fact or wouldnt be enough to point that some where? And if I have to, whats the criteria? I've already made soem citations if you have a look at it, but I feel uncertain if its on right places.
Oh and another thing, I am still waiting for GNU license for slovenian texts, wich I will use to write a slovenian counterpart of this article ( actually it was already written but they have deleted it due to the GNU issues) So I wonder are there any connections between those to articles that ought to be made or is it a seperate thing? and who do I ask to change article title? I would like them to match once they are completed.--revelation restricts 19:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
- Hi there. I'm sorry, but I didn't notice this bit immediately - I'm not 'watching' this page, so I only noticed when I was going back over things I've helped with in the past few days.
- In future, if you have further questions, please put a quick note on user talk:chzz telling me where your question is.
- I suggest that you avoid the duplication by including all historic information in the 'history' part, and changing the 'Team' section to 'Current Squad'. If the history ends up very large, it could even go into a separate article. For a good example layout, see Gillingham F.C. (which is a 'featured article', one of the best articles on Wikipedia) and also History of Gillingham F.C.. For other examples, see WP:FA#Sport_and_recreation.
- Regarding the references in the history - it would be better to reference each fact. If you use named references, you won't need to duplicate the long reference each time. This is necessary because someone might add more information to the article later, from another source. If the reference is only given at the end of a paragraph, and someone adds information in the middle, it will incorrectly appear as though the reference covers their fact as well. Example;
I create this section
Chzz is 98 years old. He lives in Footown. He likes sausages.<ref> {cite web...etc}} </ref>
Someone adds information
Chzz is 98 years old. He lives in Footown. He plays the banjo. He likes sausages.<ref> {cite web...etc}} </ref>
- It now appears that the reference verifies that Chzz plays the banjo, but this may not be correct.
- I hope that makes sense.
- Regarding the Slovenian article; if you look at the end of the English article you can see codes that link to articles in other languages - for example;
[[af:Handbal]] [[ar:كرة اليد]] [[de:RK Velenje]] [[de:Handball]]
- This results in the comment in the left-hand margin showing links to the Afrikaans Wikipedia article 'Handbal', the Arabic Wikipedia article 'كرة اليد', and two articles on the German Wikipedia ('RK Velenje' and 'Handball'). There is currently no code to link to the Slovenian Wikipedia.
- If you add [[sl:articlename]] (with the correct article name on the Slovenian Wikipedia), then that link will be added to the left margin, as 'Slovenščina'.
- To change the article title, you can just move the article to the new name.
- I hope that this answers your questions, you are doing some excellent work here.
- If you have further questions, please either;
- Leave a note on my talk page, or
- Put a {{helpme}} template in a new section at the end of this page, followed by your question, or
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Hello Dylanus! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 3 of the articles that you created are tagged as Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to ensure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. If you were to bring these articles up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 874 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:
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