User talk:Drmies/Archive 7

This page contains material by User:Drmies that is intended to be humorous but isn't, material by User:ChildofMidnight which is intended to be serious but is in fact laughable, and soothing words of wispdom by User:Bongomatic that are chronic and subtly dumfound.

Hi!

Thanks for inviting me here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.61.44.185 (talk) 04:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

re: Thanks

You are very welcome. I am surprised to know that just so many vandalism working on the site.

Take care of your pages! ---Garbolia (talk) 22:54, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

forgot to ask, what kind of program or setting do you use to get alert that could alert you vandalism? Is it possible to have an alert offline? - Thanks --Garbolia (talk) 16:39, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

sorry about that

I was editing out some lengthy vandalism to the effect that homosexuality is a sin and they're all going to hell -- really should have just deleted it but it kind of ticked me off. (Also I was pretty sure that a swear word would get auto reverted, whereas this little bigoted spiel had managed to stay)

Mooned at midnight

File:Mimas1.jpg

It'll be just like Beggar's Canyon back home.

I decided that returning an image of the MC hammer doll to your newly blanked page isn't appropriate. So I'm mooning you instead. This image of space cruft that looks like the Death Star is also in honor of the Architecture of Star Wars article, which is off to an impressive start. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• Why, thank you! Drmies (talk) 23:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Salad?

• Also, check out #10 [1]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Haha, the Hypocrite, that's funny. Did you see the Flying Dutchman? I got a "sandwich shape cutter" for Father's Day--now my girls can go to school with heart or dinosaur shaped sandwiches. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Why are vandals removing this photo [2]? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Surely not for esthetic reasons. Drmies (talk) 03:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

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Dickinson College

You have just proven why the entry should read "President", not governor. So stop reversing it.

No I won't table the issue. Stop reversing the god damn facts you stupid punk kid.

Stop deleting that fact that he was the largest slave owner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.190.67 (talk) 21:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Mind your manners, please. And sign your name. And then read up at Wikipedia:Redirect. Drmies (talk) 21:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
  • my head is starting to hurt...--kelapstick (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I've always thought of you as a punk kid, is this inaccurate? Stupid may be a stretch, but your enthusiasm for commas and semicolons has been known to push buttons. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I actually had to use a serial comma in Ladies and Gentlemen, the Bible! today. It was a sad day indeed.--kelapstick (talk) 23:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh K-stick, I am SO proud of you! Keep on working at it and you might start liking it. CoM, you should look at the positive side of my contributions: Club des Cent, for instance. You might consider a trial membership of that club. Drmies (talk) 23:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Gentlemen in reviewing the Google News archives I found this document which seems to suggest Dickinson was indeed a slaveholder in his early days, but became a vocal opponent [3]. Once again, the morality of good church going folk is demonstrated. Let that be a lesson to you Doc with your secularist immorality and carnal lust. ;) A French club? Heaven forbid. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• This one also supports that information and notes he was president of Pennsylvania [4]. As the the present administration's policies take hold we may see a new round of secession and some states getting their own presidents once again. I know you and Kelapstick are stocking up on ammunition. Will we see tyranny, anarchy, socialist utopia or something else? Hahaha and Drmies, could you please turn down your television set with Glenn Beck, I can't hear myself think when I come by here! ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't deny that he was President of PA. However Past Presidents are listed at List of Governors of Pennsylvania, so ultimately the link should go there. I also don't deny that he was a slave owner, it says so in the article about him, however I don't think details about how many slaves he owned needs to be in the lead of an article about a school named after him. --kelapstick (talk) 00:45, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Your reverse psychology will not work on me. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

It's a Jedi mind trick. You don't need to see our identification. kelapstick (talk) 12:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Speaking of mind tricks, check out this Somali clan of magicians, the Yibir. Drmies (talk) 16:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks like an interesting article. How's the collaborative editing going? :) I hear there's a lot of militia activity over in that part of the world. It can be a dangerous place. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Haha, I know it! Well, working on it was fun--all those OR accusations are not. Fact and fiction, in the mind of some, often mingle easily; I imagine it's a defense mechanism of sorts. It does kind of take the fun out of stuff. But I got plenty of other things to keep me busy, such as Heliand--and I don't mean the WP article. You doing alright? Drmies (talk) 15:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm just kicking back and relaxing, hoping that Navy can somehow upset Ohio State. What should I expect from the 'Bama v. Virginia Tech match up this evening? Take care and have fun kiddo. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that game was on. Is it over yet? I've been working outside--lawn... For tonight you can expect beer and wings, that's all I can tell you! BTW, John Parker Wilson was mentioned in the paper today; Atlanta has to drop 13 players from their roster and he's a candidate for going home. Drmies (talk) 18:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on the big win. Your boys are undefeated, just like my flag football team. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:17, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

This Fla. State Miami game is a real shoot out. Fla State's QB is better, but Miami is up by a point and has the ball with 12 minutes left in the game... ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:03, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

• I know, I'm watching! As an SEC fan I have to hate FSU (since they're FL's arch rival) but as an Alabama fan I hate Miami (see 1993 Sugar Bowl). Whoa, and now two points, after that interception. Glad you're enjoying! Drmies (talk) 03:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Bowden makes me uncomfortable, but he's an entertaining coach. My QB comment stands. When wide open recievers choose to use their facemask to catch the ball it's hard to win. Did JPW make the team? When will we know??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:50, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hi, I remember that you were the primary contributor to the featured list Kronos Quartet discography. Lang Lang discography is a similar list that is now at FLC. If you have the time, your comments at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Lang Lang discography/archive1 would be much appreciated. Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 22:56, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with this. ĐĩʂсʀєтєΙǁʊʂ!ΘΠ 02:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. Do you believe that the references are of sufficient quality now? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:20, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

I think they're getting better and better, but I'm holding off for now since Discrete is still hard at work. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:41, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Sources for summaries

It's best to have a secondary source, but for a straightforward brief recounting of a time sequence, a primary source is OK for videos, films, and novels. The more descriptive you are, the more you need a secondary source, i.e.

• Jeff, a policeman, raised his gun and shot the dog. <- primary source only is needed
• Jeff, a policeman, callously shot the innocent dog. <- really should have a secondary source
• Jeff, symbolizing the evils of the Daley administration, shot the dog, believed by many to represent the anti-Vietnam protest movement. <-Secondary source definitely required.

—Kww(talk) 04:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I've heard that too, like in the Samuel L. Jackson filmography thay said that that the film was a source for him being in the movie. Even Arnold Schwartzwneger's (a featured list) doesn't have sourcing for the list. kelapstick (talk) 05:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Look at the level of detail in Falling Down (Selena Gomez & the Scene song). Drmies (talk) 21:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

It's still a straightforward recounting. If they were talking about Selena "seductively singing" or "breathily singing", describing her clothing as "flashy" or "expensive-looking", or similar judgments, I'd argue that they needed sourcing. They've actually been pretty good. She sings. She wears an outfit. Then there's a band with four guys. Then a different outfit, then they play instruments. The closest they come to a judgment call is describing one set as "photo-shoot like", and I suspect that would be pretty obvious if I could ever make myself watch a Selena Gomez video. Would it be better with an independent review of the video to extract these things from? Absolutely. It's still pretty standard fare for a single article to not have a source for this stuff, and pulling it out on that basis is just going to lead to trouble. The description that would eventually replace this one would be much worse.—Kww(talk) 04:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Shayan Italia which you contributed to, is currently up for deletion

FYI Ikip (talk) 10:59, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Jackie Bates

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• Congratulations--it worked! Drmies (talk) 17:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

This is about the arundhati roy article

i think the article has a one sided approach towards arundhati,not a neutral one.i think i added the wrong template.anyways you can make some constructive edits including criticism of roy.Sarangsaras (talk) 04:31, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

• Why would I want to include criticism of Arundhati Roy? I have none, and if I did, including my criticism would be silly and unencyclopedic. If the article is not neutral, in your opinion, please point out on the talk page precisely how it isn't neutral. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

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Done

Level 1 warning. So far. Aussie Ausborn (talk) 03:55, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

FYI

I am eating boiled peanuts right now. They aren't great, but neither is the guinep fruit I got. But bulla cake is good. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• Wow, that cake sounds really interesting. (I don't care for boiled peanuts myself.) And that fruit--I miss having that kind of variety in the supermarket... They're not like lychees, huh? Thanks for that nice bit of OR in the edit summary! You'll soon be able to explain yourself on ANI! (And the Tide moved up to #4, and Nick Saban was very unhappy with his defense, so all is well.) Drmies (talk) 14:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Motion Computing Edits

I am currently trying to update the motion wikipedia page as it contains very old and out of date information.

The fact that you are attempting to deny me any edits to this page is against the wikipedia effort to begin with as the article is out of date and requires editing. If not by me then someone has to do it.

I am not going to post any information that is Marketing material or sales speak. I am simply updating the page's look and content to reflect the changes that Motion has gone through in the past year. They have a new CEO, David Altounian. They have launched several new products which the wikipedia page does not flesh out at all as to what the products are.

The article contains no history, has no side bar for which information about the company can be ascertained, has a very short description of their products and merely links to articles that exist within their webpage.

Maybe you can help me out with this since you seem to think that I have a conflict of interest.

MotionComputing (talk) 21:43, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

• You HAVE a conflict of interest, that's pretty obvious--you said yourself that you were involved with the marketing department. The first and best thing to do is to add information based on reliable sources: your removal of the template that stated the article had none was unmerited. Drmies (talk) 21:46, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
• I may have a direct connection with Motion but that does not mean that I can't write objectively. The information I am providing is factual and I will add sources. I removed the tags because they are screwing up the formatting at the moment. If you see the need to police this article then there has to be a compromise. MotionComputing (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
  • That is no excuse for removing them (and it isn't true--they don't mess up the formatting, though you may not like the looks of them). Editors may remove such templates when they have addressed the issues. And factual information is one thing: if I were you I would start by proving, using proper third-party sources, that the company is indeed notable per Wikipedia:Notability or Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), or risk the article being nominated for deletion. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 21:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

What are they up to now?

[5]? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:17, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Sometimes we have to put things in perspective...because the two subjects are so similar.--kelapstick (talk) 22:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

CoM, that photograph is spectacular. Drmies (talk) 03:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Kelapstick those links are interesting. Doc, did you see the wave walkways West 8 is building on the Toronto waterfront? It's nice to see the Dutch enriching K-stick's homeland. It won't be long now before Canadians discover dutch process chocolate and gouda. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

How to list multiple related pages for deletion

See Articles for deletion#How to list multiple related pages for deletion. I think it is worthwhile to use the Twinkle automatic AfD feature and then (a) add the {{la}}s to the one AfD that is going to be multiple; (b) change the links on the other articles to the single AfD; and (c) replace the contents in the other AfDs with redirects. I don't know if this is "officially sanctioned", but having AfD pages in existence for each article permits future nominators and opiners (if any are kept and renominated, or deleted, recreated, and renominated) to notice that a previous AfD has been conducted. ^Bongo_matic 05:22, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Yibir

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• Thanks! That's nicely appreciative. Drmies (talk) 05:25, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Reviews of Quand notre monde est...

Thanks! Are they digitized? I might already have access to them. Do you have the links? Geuiwogbil (Talk) 03:29, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

• You're welcome. Citations for all came from Expanded Academic ASAP (Cale Cengage), which also had full-text access for those two. If you can't find them, let me know! Drmies (talk) 03:37, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Oh damn. I didn't have email enabled? Thanks for telling me. I've done so now. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 03:46, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
    • And isn't life beautiful? You got mail! Drmies (talk) 04:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
      • Turns out I do have Extended Academic ASAP. It also seems that the TLS article would be available to anyone who has a subscription to the publication (I don't). Geuiwogbil (Talk) 04:14, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
        • Do you want me to look in the library tomorrow? Drmies (talk) 04:15, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
          • No, that's alright. I only wanted to verify the Bolshevik connection, which the Theological Studies article already did. It does seem like the book hasn't got much press yet, which was my other concern—is this going to receive enough attention and impact to make it worth of including it in a rapid dash through the Constantinian historiography—but I doubt a TLS article will change that much. I suppose I'd prefer to wait until it can be put into historiographic context. Do you know how quickly Anglophone journals pick up on a work like this? Geuiwogbil (Talk) 04:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
            • That's a tough one--I'd like to say fairly quickly. The Catholic, Christian, and otherwise historical journals I regularly needed back a few years ago (for a diss. on Helena and Constantine) seemed to be fairly quick, but I don't look at them regularly enough to make a judgment on it. I do have the feeling that the great age of historians in the US being citizens of the world (i.e., multi-lingual) is disappearing in the rearview mirror--except for in classics, possibly. (I'm also going to wait for the book to come out in translation, since our library has put a stop on all book acquisitions, and whatever we get better be cheap.) BTW, I forgot to mention something: great job on the persecution article, you should be proud to make the front page with such an impressive FA--you give WP a good name. Drmies (talk) 04:33, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
              • Thanks! I'm still uneasy about it, though. I've now received unfavorable reviews on its NPOV from both Christians ("atheist propagandists are able to cherry pick evidence") and, uh, humanists ("drenched in non-neutral POV"), so I'm still not sure if I've struck the right balance. Geuiwogbil (Talk) 04:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
              • Oh, and it is indeed a shame that multilingualism is on the decline in the American academic world. But I suppose I should feel ashamed of myself too, since I have no German, and only as much of the Romance languages as I can poke at with my passable French. Well, I suppose we have other academic concerns now. (Like what? Like SCIENCE.) Geuiwogbil (Talk) 04:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
                • Ha! Science is no one's concern, if I gauge my students' knowledge accurately. Our main academic concerns, it seems to me, are the production of reports and the acquisition of tenure. Oh, for the English translation, see this. Take care, Drmies (talk) 15:26, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Last of the Just

Why isn't there an article on The Last of the Just? It just redirects to the author (whose article is quite short and doesn't discuss the book much if at all).

Isn't this a very notable book? I wanted to know what it was about because I was telling a couple of editors that they might be the last of the just on Wikipedia. I wanted to know what kind of unintended associations, aspersions, innuendo, or platitudes might be involved, based on the book (a work of fiction I believe?). Thank you for looking into this matter and providing diligent and comprehensive answers and improvements to the encyclopedia so my concerns are fully addressed. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

• If it won the Prix Goncourt it should be automatically notable, IMO. Are you asking me to read the book and give you a synopsis, or are you prodding me to buy you the book for Christmas? I'm afraid I can't answer your question re: innuendo etc., not without further research--but I'm going to see if we have the book in the library. I'll be done with The Bad Seed tomorrow and will need something else to read. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 18:41, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I find it very interesting that you refuse to read Pramoedya Ananta Toer's classic quartet about Indonesia under Dutch rule. But once you're done with that important tome, yes, I would appreciate it if you could read the Last of the Just for me and let me know if it's any good. Dennis Leary's recent book, Salman Rushdie's and Tom Robbins (author) are all of greater interest to me personally, although I haven't heard that much about them... Plus I just picked something up about modern architecture. Thanks for the reply. It took you a while. I hope all is well out there on the estate. And I know you like Beyonce, but I think you and Kanye were a little out of line. I looked through the nomination and award list and it all seemed very forgetable to me. I'm on a Boat was a pretty good and meaningful song though. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

De Hollandsche Molen

I came across this while looking for info on Bilau sails. Thought you might be interested. Mjroots (talk) 18:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks! Interesting. I did a school project back in the 1980s on generating electricity from wind, which at that time was done only by hobbyists and/or hippies. This abstract says a couple of things that help establish some things about De Hollandsche Molen, but what exactly is it an abstract of? A book, a research project? I'd be hesitant to use this as a source without knowing that. Still, thanks for the link, and thanks for keeping me posted. Drmies (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• Not sure where it came from. I did a Yahoo search and it's the 8th one down. Mjroots (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

another barnstar

		The Surreal Barnstar
		This Surreal Barnstar is awarded for your unprompted improvements to what must be the world's greatest article. tedder (talk) 22:22, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

• WOW! Thanks! And I got this just as I was going to back to expand on it. You know, you have done a lot of good things for clover and alfalfa hay, Tedder, and you should be proud of yourself. Drmies (talk) 23:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Yeah, that's not where the (nick)name comes from, but I watch the article because it's really lonely over there. tedder (talk) 23:39, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's two of us now, plus that juvenile IP who showed interest. That reminds me, now that I have you here--I can understand why you'd be resistant to any kind of change here, but give some thought to a move to "hay tedder"? Blasphemy, I know... Drmies (talk) 00:47, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

So you're saying "hey Tedder, what do you think.." Sorry, bad wordplay.

I really know little about them. You've really enlightened me. Here's the thing- what's the common name? Are they referred to as a "tedder" or a "hay tedder"? It seems that they would just be a "tedder", because it isn't like there is a corn tedder, or a steel tedder, or anything like that. You are the one checking the refs, though. Thoughts? tedder (talk) 06:06, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I would think hay tedder is more common than tedder (machine). But that's just me :) kelapstick (talk) 13:34, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Haha tedder, that's not bad at all! K, thanks for your response. I did all my searches for the article using "hay tedder", and most quotes/references do have "hay" in it. I'll check again, and search for "tedder" by its lonesome, and then decide. Thanks to both of you, Drmies (talk) 14:31, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

I was going to comment on the most excellent pun, but was short of time and patience on my iPod. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 15:25, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

persistence

Congratulation on having the persistence to follow up on the nonsense of Epistemics of Divine Reality. I really should have looked more thoroughly at the earlier AfD. I tried rewriting it for clarity, and discovered it was impossible. DGG ( talk ) 22:35, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks DGG. I hope you know that your initial keep was quite important to me, and I hesitated before renominating it. The AfD has got a long way to go though. Drmies (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey Doc

When you get a minute can you go through and mutilate my latest project? May the comma be with you!--kelapstick (talk) 23:10, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

• Whoa, I was just getting around to it--where's it at? (WP is messed up and I can't get to user contributions). Sorry I'm slow--busy with *yuk* real life. Got a good puke story to tell you also. Drmies (talk) 19:41, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace at Kittilä mine, I had the redirect deleted after I moved it. Cheers. --kelapstick (talk) 19:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, for some reason I removed the entire word, rather than delinking oxygen from your questioned statement. Wish I had a picture. Good hook for the DYK though...--kelapstick (talk) 20:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

My daughter had one of those Caterpillar 777s. A lot of fun! Drmies (talk) 20:13, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

a reader's comment

Hi Drmies, Sept 15, 2009 Reference the office de la langue francaise in quebec, those remarks were made on a lark, but the sad truth is that they are accurate. The official governmental position is to keep any negative publicity hushed-up. Congratulations for assisting them. You are fortunate you do not reside there. 173.73.15.112 (talk) 19:39, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, I don't do conspiracies, and my payroll is decidedly non-French. You're barking up the wrong tree; a sign on Farmville is of more use, since those rarely count as vandalism. Drmies (talk) 19:45, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of

. . . this, does your Dutch ESP give you any insight into his retirement? ^Bongo_matic 01:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• Nope, none whatsoever, I'm sad to say. I liked him. Drmies (talk) 02:00, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The doc doesn't have ESP, he has ESPN.--kelapstick (talk) 02:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Haha, not right now: Chopped on FoodNetwork. ESPN has some sport where men chew gum and wear tights. One of them is holding what looks like a hickory stick. It's even slower than Farmville. Drmies (talk) 02:31, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Does Chopped use the SlapChop? ^Bongo_matic 21:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Mission: Impossible reruns for me, I get them in when I cam, the missus doesn't care for them. Can't see why, the technology is awesome, or "crackerjack" as they say. What is with FarmVille having an article, and Tribal Wars not. I skip all those FB games, but Tribal wars was waaaaayyyyy too adictive.--kelapstick (talk) 02:40, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

New section

Why wasn't my joke funny neanderthals are extinct. So it shouldn't offend anyone. The Cro-Magnon (talk) 03:11, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• We try to be equal-opportunity offenders here, and a joke at the expense of Neanderthals would have to be balanced out by a joke at the expense of Cro-Magnons. Before you know it, every early humanoid species has to be insulted and we'd have to keep a running tally. Who would edit Wonder World Tour if we're all busy insulting and keeping track? Besides, I have a rather conservative editing friend here at Wikipedia, and he's had more Neanderthal jokes made at his expense than he can stomach. On behalf of the community, I like to thank you for maintaining a serious and appropriately scholarly level of discourse. (Between you and me, joking about Glenn Beck or Canadians is just fine.) Drmies (talk) 03:22, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

The doctor is in

Re: this edit. You mean you're not really a doctor? ^Bongo_matic 21:51, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

List of ancient Platonists

Thank you for the suggestion but "List of Platonists" would be too broad. I would need to include all the Christian([6]), the Islamic([7]) and the modern platonists.Pollinosisss (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

• Well, could you specify in the lead, then, what the constraints are of "ancient" in the title? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:20, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tedder (machine)

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≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 01:07, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

September 2009

Was it really necessary to template me? I did not commit 3RR and know what I am doing. I restored the Adolescence article to what I feel is the better version, and am discussing this matter with the IP. I, of course, was going to bring other editors in on this. Once you reply to me, if you do, I will remove the template. (Never mind; I removed it anyway.) Flyer22 (talk) 04:56, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm tired. ^Bongo_matic 06:00, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

All I'm mainly saying about the warning matter is don't template the regulars. Flyer22 (talk) 07:49, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

That's an essay you're referring to, and I figured that if I was going to warn the IP I should warn you as well, in what was quickly becoming a useless back and forth of reversals: the IP making rather silly edit statements and you reinserting an image that for all your arguing on your talk page can hardly be called encyclopedic--it's pretty close to soft-porn, frankly, and is more appropriate in an article on The Smiths than here. I'm not a prude, but I don't think the photograph is a. very good and b. serves the purpose. The IP made at least one valid remark, about the abs. Claiming that the photo is a "long-standing image" (as you did here) is not just specious but really facetious, since it wasn't added until 13 September. In the same edit summary you say that the earlier image is often rejected--the passive construction masking the fact that it's been rejected by you. That's not the way to go, regular editor or not. Drmies (talk) 14:42, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I am aware that is an essay. I still say use it. I am not some newbie who needs a warning about content disputes and 3RR. And as for the image I reinstated being unencyclopedic and close to "soft porn"...yes, I definitely have to say that is prudish line of thinking. Just because the boy has his shirt off and is well-built...it is "soft-porn"? Are we not suppose to use shirtless and well-built people in Wikipedia articles? Having his shirt on hardly shows the same effect of what puberty has done to his body. And, yes, I say that the image serves its purpose -- showing how a child's body has morphed into an adult body. You want to talk "soft porn," then look at the pictures in the Non-penetrative sex article and the complaints about them (one in particular)...even though they are not of real people. The IP's remark about abs may be valid in the context of eighth graders (13-year-olds), but plenty of mid and late teenage boys have abs. The article is mostly focusing on teenagers, not on pre-teenagers. I did not state that the image of the well-built boy is long-standing, as that link shows; I was referring to the image that was there before the one of the well-built boy, which, yes, is long-standing (even if for only months). I did not have to state the image the IP kept adding was rejected by me; the fact is that it has been rejected by more than just me, as shown on the talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 00:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Also, I apologize if I seemed rude when I approached you with this section. I know that you were just trying to help. It is just that it irks me when I am treated like a newbie...when I am actually a rather experienced editor here and am familiar with more Wikipedia policies and guidelines than a lot of its editors. I tried not to seem rude, I want you to know. And, again, I apologize if I seemed that way. Flyer22 (talk) 00:51, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Doc, did you mean "fatuous"? I usually would be happy to refactor your comments beyond recognition but I wasn't sure if that's what you meant. ^Bongo_matic 15:08, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, you are always welcome to do that, as long as you leave a note on the talk's talk--but I did mean 'facetious', haha. Thanks though. Hey, I'm trying to see the effect of this text shadow code of yours, but I can't. Drmies (talk) 15:18, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Use a real browser (i.e., on a PC try Chrome or Firefox). It is very irritating, which is good. ^Bongo_matic 15:23, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I am using Firefox! Drmies (talk) 15:25, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Really? A current version? Honestly I never tried with Firefox before you said you couldn't see it so I just launched it--it's been so long since I started the program that it installed an update. Seems to work in v. 3.5.3. Your mileage may vary. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear. ^Bongo_matic 15:28, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Really. Hey, what do you think about Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 September 16, and the accusations leveled against S Marshall? He's a Brit, and a young whipper-snapper, but still, that he would want to have an article about a Croatian translator deleted because that translator was working on academic regulations which, if accepted and enacted, might could lower the status of translators from Scandinavian languages, which S Marshall could hypothetically have an interest in if they had majored in Scandinavian literatures and if they were thinking of moving to Croatia to start a new career, well, I just might think that a tad unlikely. Then again, we all know that in reality it was the Freemasons who shot J.R.. Drmies (talk) 15:38, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm over Turquoise's ridiculous allegations and conspiracy theories. I'm more interested in your claim to be a translator. Do you translate Dutchistanian to Flemishinese? ^Bongo_matic 15:45, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Haha, no. The oddest thing I ever had to translate was divorce papers and documents, Dutch-English and English-Dutch. The disadvantage--legal terminology. The advantage--translating for a legal firm, you can charge anything you like. Drmies (talk) 15:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I think he's gone. ^Bongo_matic 02:29, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm. So you can go back to deleting translators and highly notable genres in music. BTW, I did finally see that shading, above: indeed, very irritating! Drmies (talk) 03:11, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

He's baaaaaaaack! ^Bongo_matic 23:10, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

You don't have this yet do you?

		The 25 DYK Medal
		Congratulations! Only six more till the "50" medal. kelapstick (talk) 16:17, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

• Great work. Now you're ready to start on some serious articles. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks to both of you! K-stick, that was really nice and thoughtful of you, although these congratulatory messages again make it seem as if we are in a cabal. No! There is no cabal! Nothing to see here folks! PS CoM, I'm on it, but I have limited resources--I am referring to my bird-sized brain. Drmies (talk) 17:55, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Obilo Ng'ongo

Given your membership in the interpreter clique, this article should be right up your alley! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:20, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

• Yeah, thanks--I worked on it some, but it has got to go... Drmies (talk) 17:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Your prayers have been answered!

Does he realize it's not a dog?

See Alice In Thunderland. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:43, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

• My page is PATROLLED Doc!!! How funny that before I saw your edit (in the page history) I had already decided to trim the f-bomb from my comment. It's a bad habit and a bad example for the kiddies. The Dutch may be found all over the world, but on my talk page they had best be on their best behavior! This means you. :) West 8 was trying to build some crazy pedestrian bridges in a Korean city, but apparently the designs were too out there and looked Japanese. Interesting anyway. FAT is still pretty quiet, but I'm hoping for big things. And I'm pretty sure Kees is out of work and on the dole. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't mess with the Godfather. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

• Laws of grammar evolve. I'm simply ahead of the curve. Will you have a look at comma splice? I tried to make some sense out of it. As a grammarian, you will no doubt be able to "fix" it by restoring a proper state of indecipherability that meets your clique's arbitrary and nonsensical rules. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:15, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Haha, who's the grammarian? Check dangling modifier. No, I'm going to leave that article alone--what if I make a typo? My reputation will be kaputt. Drmies (talk) 18:18, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Any mafiosa type entity that tries to make people use "his or her" in place of the far simpler "their" can't be trusted. We're lucky they didn't get away with foisting Esperanto on us. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:27, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I'm all about "they" for those purposes. I'm to see you've taken the most modern position on that issue; we'll make a progressive out of you yet. Drmies (talk) 18:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you jokers get on board with the push for metric system adoption instead of foisting weird comma and semi-colon usage on unsuspecting youth. Oy vey. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Look here now, the comma splice rule is an American invention--as American as bacon or apple pie. 'Nuff said. Drmies (talk) 18:34, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Does this sentence require a comma: "My spelling is horrible, and I type too fast."? What is the rule? If it's a dependent clause? Does it depend on the weather? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Oh and I'm very progressive. It's just an unfortunate circumstance that the label has been co-opted by leftist ideologues. I refuse to give in to newspeak, so I will try to keep the faith that the word will be returned to its more appropriate and positive associations with progress and pragmatism in short order. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:47, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I wouldn't feel so ignored if I didn't see you busy jerking off on my watchlist. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:08, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

• That is funny, isn't it! I just happened to see it squirt by on Recent changes, and realized I left some unfinished business. It's not over yet--the editor removed the Merge template, just as I was thinking of reviving that discussion. Perhaps AfD is a possibility; occasionally you see merge proposals there if the merge discussion goes awry or there is an obstinate editor. I mean, if I were bold and just merged the joint, into a section on 'cultural uses' or something, I bet he'd revert right back. Should I do that, and go back and forth, and then take it to ANI? Do you have any advice? (The term simply does not exist, at least not in reliable sources.) Drmies (talk) 05:12, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I saw some content that needed editing in that article, but I just couldn't do it. A lot of the fluff seems to have been trimmed. I was actually going to add an advert tag based on what I recalled being there and because I think it would be funny, but now it's not appropriate as the article stands. Post it to the article content noticeboard or ask for additional eyes on it at ANI. Anyway, you're on your own on that front. Good luck. Just not my cup of tea I'm afraid. Different strokes for different folks? Yikes, see what you went and made me do? This is not headed in a good direction. Is this your way of discouraging me from soliciting grammatical insights? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:23, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Haha, thanks for the advice. Hey, I laugh every time I see that miniature horse--how's that discussion going? Drmies (talk) 05:26, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I threw in the towel on that one. Maybe miniature horses really are found all over the world. My latest crusade is at Esperanto (see talk page for discussion). I also tried to fix National Doughnut Day just now, cross your fingers. There are also some pretty amusing articles on global warming. The one on the scientific consensus spells out what the article is about noting that it excludes the viewpoints of individual scientists. :) Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Maybe Wikipedia will adopt that approach to editing. Those who disagree will simply not be counted. Dissent will not be tolerated. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:03, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

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You've been warned. Further violations will be dealt with Userpage descretion..... LOL Happy editing. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC) [[8]] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 05:47, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

• As if I didn't have enough trouble! What is it this time, the Semen thing? Haha Hell, take it easy. Drmies (talk) 05:50, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Sadly, some do gooder reverted my good faith clarification of your statement [9]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:57, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

But...but...I DO apologize for being a monkey! (You read minds too, not just blogs?) Drmies (talk) 21:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Given your interest in seed exchanges (no, not that type of seed exchange sicko!), I thought this article might interest you community-based economics. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:48, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

inre WP:MQS

Inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ramayana (film) and "Delete per WP:MQS, a new policy that says 'if it's about a movie and MQS can't make it a keep it's not a keep.'"... I am quite flattered by your use of WP:MQS... or as others have called it "The MQStandard"... you may wish to revisit the discussion, as the proper film name has come forward and WP:GNG now seems to aqueek by WP:NFF. And thank you much for the accolade. MichaelQSchmidt (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Editor MQS

Just read your good comments about MQS on the RFA talk page. I wonder if you'd be up to nominate him for adminship? I think he'd have an excellent chance if the nom came from yourself. FeydHuxtable (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

• Despite my proverbial 'kiss of death'? I don't mind if MQS doesn't, but I'll need a day or two to type it up. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 19:04, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Tom Hanks

[10] I was missing my daily Wikipedia chuckle. Thanks so much for providing it. Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:04, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

• You're welcome! That is very nice of you. And thank you for pointing out that it's probably bedtime; I'm not being very serious anymore. I do suffer from Tom Hanks envy, it's true. Drmies (talk) 05:05, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Silliness is all relative. I was commended once by an administrator for managing to work the word "dudes" into an edit summary. I was proud. Wildhartlivie (talk) 06:27, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much dude!! :) Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Nagasaki bomb

You have to compare it with the original to tell, but the editing changed the shape of the clouds in dozens of places. Basically, a very sloppy attempt at editing, ithout sufficient attention paid to matching colours when getting rid of dirt and scratches. It's subtle, but it's pretty much what's universally accepted as inappropriate manipulation. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 206 FCs served} 18:33, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

[11]

I just saw your comment, and I reply here since the afd is closed. I would describe my participation in the afd as reasoned discussion, not badgering. The exception was my comment to Stifle. True, that was snarky, but he deserved it because he is an experienced admin who nevertheless made a poor contribution to the afd (essentially a vote of "keep", followed by a non-argument). Thanks for your time. 160.39.213.97 (talk) 23:30, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bullshido.net (3rd nomination)

Thanks for debunking Hobit (talk · contribs)'s claims in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bullshido.net (3rd nomination). Your response was so superior to mine that I removed my response as being redundant. Cunard (talk) 09:51, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Bullshido

I put in a 2 liner to try & pull the section together, could you have a quick look & see what you think. --Nate^t/_c 16:04, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the note. Unfortunately, after your tweaking and after JJL's edits, it's still a paragraph that contains weasel words ("some traits often seen as...") but not a single reliable reference. The article as a whole, of course, contains not a single reference to any kind of discussion in a reliable source, and if this goes up for AfD, I know what I would call for. Drmies (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Military animals

Hey Drmies. I noticed your vandalism to the military animal article, including removing the critical in popular culture section. Very troubling. :)

Where was the merge from? I guess I'll have to look in your editing history!

There seems to be a distinct topic on weaponized animals. For instance using a dolphin as torpedo or bats to carry germ warfare isn't the same as using work animals, which seems to be mostly what that article is about. I look forward to your insights on this matter. Needless to say, I am a little concerned by your interest in this subject. What are you planning? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:18, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• Haha yes. Didn't I say where it was merged from? I'm sorry; I'll check. I thought I did it correctly but I might have forgotten in all the excitement of exploding beasts. Hey, the greatest thing about those critters (and I'm sorry to be messing that up) is the template:

{{Exploding organisms}}

• I love it! Drmies (talk) 20:50, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Sick. I'm calling PETA. You did say where the merge was from, but it required an extra click or two to check. I've been eating some sugary sweets so I'm having difficulty focusing. I'm going to see if I can take another look at the stuff you removed. It seemed valuable to me. Use in video games is almost always important to include. You, K-Schtick, and Bongo are such radical deletionists. If conent doesn't advance your interests as a translator and doesn't relate to the Netherlands then it seems you never want it kept. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I've been screamed at for the last 20 minutes, and suffered an hour's worth of that yesterday. That will make even MQS a radical deletionist. Ah...it's quiet now, finally. I'm going to delete some more stuff! Oh, can you try and get it right the first time? I'm tired of having edit conflicts with you on my own talk page. Drmies (talk) 21:35, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I always thought when you compare two diffs with intervening edits that the whole string shows. But it just compares the two diffs? Jeesh. Why doesn't anyone tell me these things? So that means if someone does 3 vandalistic edits you have to undo each one and can't just compare the before and after and undo it that way? Why am I asking you anyway, it's not like you're an Admin. Oh well. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit history

When I compare the article history before and after your last edit, why doesn't it show what was removed [12]? Am I missing something? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:09, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not sure; I'm getting confused now. But is this what you were looking for? (Hey, in the category of deliciousest things in the world: homemade chicken stock. Just don't let them tell you that cooking it less than 8 hours makes for good stock.) Drmies (talk) 22:14, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I saw that edit. But isn't it weird that when I compare multiple diffs those removals don't show up? I thought when you look at a series of edits like that all the changes show up? Apparently I was wrong on how that works. Yikes. Why didn't you tell me this before now??? Where were you when I needed you? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:31, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Wally Tax

A tag has been placed on Wally Tax requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for people. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Topaz127 (talk) 04:59, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Oh no! Please don't delete my article! It's very notable in Pakistan! Drmies (talk) 05:10, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

• Very mature gentlemen. Wow. With this you mock the Wikipedia itself, not only me. You also make fun of states and countries other that US. I would expect more from "experienced" editors.Turqoise127 (talk) 15:47, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

• It's a joke that you obviously don't get. While I can't speak for Bongomatic, I had no intention of mocking Wikipedia, and if any non-disruptive Wikipedia editor feels offended, I will be happy to apologize to them. Drmies (talk) 15:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

FWIW

Drmies, I'd like to take back my edit summary of a few weeks(?) ago about you being the "type of editor I avoid". While such editors surely exist in my world, I don't think you're one of them. :) Outriggr (talk) 06:22, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

• Hey Outriggr, I appreciate that--and I hope you know that I wasn't trying to be some drive-by tagger or something. I admit (I think I've done this before) that I can be a stickler for proper references; it's a professional weakness. Listen, thanks for your note. I think one of these days maybe we should tackle some Coleridge-related topics together? Later, Drmies (talk) 13:01, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

• Coleridge who? Seriously, I'm not much of an article builder any more, not having access to the reference base I once did. It's a nice thought though! (I don't want this to sound curt. I'd be saying the same thing to the oldest wiki acquaintance re collaboration, or perhaps saying yes but not actually doing anything... :) Thanks, Outriggr (talk) 05:04, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Coleridge who?" That makes me so sad. How could you already have forgotten what you once felt when you read "Frost at Midnight"? Now, I understand that your current position as a hedge-fund manager pays the bills and more, but there is more to life than just that, Outriggr. Back to grad school you go! Drmies (talk) 14:05, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

• In my defense, the RiggrFund has outperformed the indices, and especially JayHenry's Friendly Hedger Fund. His mandate was ethical investing, and when he woke up one morning, he realized that the only action he could take was to give all the money to orphans and homeless shelters. His investors lost everything. There is a plaque in an alley somewhere on Wall Street commemorating him as the only fund manager to ever achieve his investment objectives. Ever since, we refer to JayHenry in the biz as the "externality reverser". (I will go read this poem of which you speak.) Outriggr (talk) 05:49, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

• When it comes to waking up, I will confess that I rose a sadder and a wiser man the morrow morn the day after I met Dogriggr. In fact my Family Friendly Hedger Fund has always had a Venture Capital focus, though the name might suggest pure hedging strategies. I'm quite proud to have been an angel investor for this product, which I intend to use to address the source of the aforementioned sadness. --JayHenry (talk) 00:13, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm somewhat frightened. You folks actually know what you're talking about--from Wall Street to the Rime!. Fortunately for me, my business writing students are less familiar with the business of business. My congratulations to JayHenry, though, for putting his money where his mouth is, and my commiserations to his investors. I hope my 401K is steering clear of such conscientious and ethical people; I want a bunch of sharks making me tons of money. BTW Jay, that is one of the dumbest things I've seen in my life--though one of my students presented a report today that called upon the university administration to do away with failing grades and make the world a better place. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

• Hm, one with students eh? No wonder I had a gut reaction. ;) [...] 00:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC) 23:40, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

• (I certainly didn't intend the above, now shortened, comment to be offensive, but now I see that it could be construed that way depending on the receiver's circumstances. The first part remains, tongue in cheek; the second part said "thankfully" because I would have, in school, viewed the topic as redundant given my own background; and the third was the part I'm worried about. But just ignore it all.) Apologies, Outriggr (talk) 00:20, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Dinosaur vs. Bedtime

Great book, should check it out some time.--kelapstick (talk) 23:33, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Universal Contest 3 ← Are you entering?--kelapstick (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Eh, ich don't think so. I looked at the cached version but couldn't read it. I wish ChildofMidnight would proofread his articles better before he put them up. As for books, my daughter is really enjoying Anansi the Spider. Drmies (talk) 14:00, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

regarding someone regarding Kate bush's song "feel it" as an example of unrequited love

LOL

Keep up the good work!

• Haha, thanks. I wanted to add that the song is about porn more than unrequited love, but ran out of room. Later, Drmies (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

User talk:-5-

Another brilliant editor has left Wikipedia...--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 05:53, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

• What did you do to chase them off?? Drmies (talk) 13:56, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Thomas de Klerk

Notable? Or delete? Himalayan 21:19, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the note. I went to the AfD, searched around, and found nothing: delete, I say. Drmies (talk) 23:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I dunno--pretty groovy picture. ^Bongo_matic 23:25, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

The cornerstone of notability...--kelapstick (talk) 23:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

As DGG always says, an imperfect guideline, but better than none. ^Bongo_matic 23:30, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Enhanced interrogation techniques#Euphemism

Hi Doctor

Can you please see the above-captioned thread? I am not educated enough on the issue that usually arises with respect to "enhanced interrogation techniques" to comment on the more substantive issues, but isn't it uncontroversial that describing harsh or coercive tactics as "enhanced" is euphemistic? If I'm wrong (the other editor who told me I was wrong used specious reasoning), could you explain to me? I am asking you because I know you think about language a lot. Turq, if you happen to read this, your $0.02 would be appreciated.

^Bongo_matic 05:02, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

re: edit at Neuqua Valley High School

Greetings Drmies!

I just reverted one edit that you made on this article, and I thought I would explain why, and start a dialogue, if needed.

One of the biggest pains in the butts in editing school articles: the sports are generally listed, because it is a short list and very easy to reference. The clubs/activities are a much longer list. If you delete them all, it generally is an invitation to have people come in and piecemeal add the whole list. I have found that adding the link to the whole list, and toeing the line with a list of notable clubs only has an effect of keeping the list quite short. That referenced list you deleted hadn't been added to for months. It keeps the article down to a manageable size, avoids adding the cruft, etc.

I'm not claiming that this is the only way to go, but I have found it to be a good compromise on articles that can easily turn in to repositories of long lists of junk.

I'm more than willing to hear what anyone has to say on this, and will, of course, abide by consensus. LonelyBeacon (talk) 02:00, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for your message. Since you are more involved with editing school articles than I am (for me it is an incidental pursuit), I will stay out of this and not try to enforce what I think is proper. But now that you ask: I think none of these activities are encyclopedic, not for universities (and you don't find them in those articles, as far as I know) and not in high schools. These are school clubs, and I don't see how anyone could call this sort of information encyclopedic. You called this list referenced, and that is kind of a stretch--the only "reference" consisted in the fact that the names of the clubs were wikilinked to their respective articles. There was no reference for their presence at the school, let alone for a reference that established some kind of notability for that club's presence.

  Your reasoning seems to be that if you keep a certain amount of irrelevant stuff in the article (you said "notable" but there was no evidence of any notability), then people won't add even more irrelevant stuff to it. That's something I couldn't live with. BTW, I also think that listing sports is irrelevant. Let us not pretend knowledge of these things is more valuable than it really is. Anyway, thanks for your message, and good luck keeping those lists manageable. Drmies (talk) 02:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

As a matter of personal principle, I think that there are certainly articles here that have articles much to my surprise (and to my chagrin). I suppose this is the nature of this project. I have questioned it at times, and in AfD debates, I have probably given the nod toward deletion far more often than not. The clubs in question do have articles, so in the sense that they are notable, it may be more appropriate to say they are "Wikipedia notable". The reference was the link just above the list which is a link to the school website which has teh full list of clubs (if there was a lack of any referencing, I would not have restored it. Verifiability is something that I wholeheartedly support, and I cannot thin about the last time I restored unreferenced material.

The entire debate over whether schools even deserve an article has been an ongoing one. I for one don't think that every school deserves an article; only those who can establish the track record of notability through reliable sources beyond their own school/district/etc. However, the consensus is that sports/clubs have some place to be mentioned in a school's article. I would hope no one wants it to be an excessive listing, and I think one of the ongoing debates is "when is tool long too long". I think school article editors struggle with this: students want to add every obseeeive detail on their school, while the more responsilbe editors try and prune to just the more important facts. Most articles tend to go with short, managable (and definitely referenced) lists. If this changes, I will be the first in line to take a chainsaw to it.

Thanks for your understanding, and I certainly hear your point of view on this. Best of luck in your editing! LonelyBeacon (talk) 14:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

User talk:Cunard#Hazub and Sutra AfDs

Hey, Drmies. What do you think about User talk:Cunard#Hazub and Sutra AfDs? Cunard (talk) 19:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Just becuase an article is about a real person does not mean all of the information in the article is true. The defunct website is not a reliable source and appears to contain theories I have seen nowhere else. I advise against incuding any info from that website unless that info is confirmed by a reliable source. Edward321 (talk) 03:39, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Repple depple

Spanferkel

The basis for nomination of this article for deletion was false. The editor who found his creation being nominated for deletion on these incorrect grounds within 1 minute has not contributed since. Please see WP:BITE. Colonel Warden (talk) 17:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

• How does that work, since you gave the thing a new title? The new article, which you created, really has nothing to do with the first one. You are making an article about a kind of structure or unit; the first version was about a word. The nice thing about prodding is that one can be corrected, which I was--and that's fine. Drmies (talk) 18:44, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if Drmies did anything wrong, but I support his being chewed out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:48, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

CoM (on a tangent), I wish I could show you what I just saw. Well, I took pictures of it on my phone. In the kitchen of the cafeteria, a suckling pig, ready to go in the oven...it still had its little eyeballs... Drmies (talk) 18:55, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

• The new article quite definitely has something to do with the first one - I just renamed it to a name which is a bit more common. The confusion of scope as between the word and the topic is a common one and is insufficient reason to delete. And, in any case, the word, qua word, is notable. But this is all beside the main point which is that this hostile treatment of a new editor is unacceptable. If you have objections to an article, please search for sources and engage in discussion before proposing deletion. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:19, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

I reiterate my agreement with the Warden. What Drmies did was VERY VERY VERY VERY wrong. His hostility has always troubled me. Another trip to the coast might be in order. Or counseling. Maybe he needs a mentor? Or punishment. Preferably severe. But it should be noted that reformatory school didn't seem to help. So it may be difficult to turn things around at this late stage in the game. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:25, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Colonel, that's a pretty liberal reading of WP:BITE, I must say. I didn't see where it said anything about not prodding articles which had nothing to do with the topic assigned to it by a later editor. To say you "just renamed it" is a bit silly--there wasn't nothing left of the original after you renamed it and rewrote it. So, I should congratulate you on writing an article on a notable topic, since all the original editor did was prompt you to get creative. Congratulations! This habit you seem to have of renaming articles and making them be about something else (I well remember Epistemics of Divine Reality, where that tactic of yours didn't work) can make for complicating discussions. Are we talking about a slang term or about a military unit containing reserves? If you can't see the ontological difference between the two, then I'm not surprised you see things in WP:BITE that aren't there. Now, if that first editor stayed away from Wikipedia because of me, that would make me feel bad--but there is no way that you have of knowing that. No verifiable way, anyway. Your qualification of my "hostile" behavior as "unacceptable" is based on reading tea leaves and a desire to keep everything added to Wikipedia.

PS CoM, my pig has been cooking for about six hours now; three more hours and some sauce and we'll be ready for Bama vs. Kentucky. Drmies (talk) 05:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I recall an admin threaten to block editors who engage in such hasty prodding. Examples of this sort may be needed to reverse the current decline in editor recruitment. Please consider this a friendly warning that others may act in such a severe way. Note also the details of the topic itself - poor treatment of our new recruits will tend to hurt both them and the project. Colonel Warden (talk) 09:24, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Colonel, it was really nice talking to you and I appreciate your concern over how our fellow editors are treated. Take care. Drmies (talk) 02:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds delicious! Enjoy. Have a great weekend. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, it was good. Even better, today I made gumbo. Listen, I have friends visiting and they are Californication fans, so we watched that tonight--nice place you live in! Drmies (talk) 02:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 October 2#Bullshido.net

Since you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bullshido.net (3rd nomination), which was closed as "no consensus", you may be interested in a subsequent DRV. Since I disagreed with the close, I contacted the closing admin, who responded, "To be honest, Cunard, I would tend to agree with you, but I am not sure if the balance of things heads to delete rather than no consensus. Listing it at DRV might be a good option here; I won't endorse or oppose the close and will allow the DRV community to decide it. Therefore, I have listed this article at DRV; if you would like to participate, please see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 October 2#Bullshido.net. Thanks, Cunard (talk) 21:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Bama

I forgot to tell you what special joy I took in seeing Alabama ranked ninth behind Oregon, Houston, Texas Christian and Boise State in Thursday's LA Times. Total disrespect. But I do wonder if they should even be in the top 10 after their humiliating loss in a bowl game (played in the Southeast was it not?) against Utah was it? Too funny. But congrats on your win. Is that lineman who missed last year's bowl game playing in the NFL? And I haven't heard anything about John Parker Wilson or whether he was cut (I just checked and it looks like Georgia's D.J.Shockley was cut and Wilson is still on the Falcons) I meant to check that. Anyway, Jerraud Powers is playing for the Colts, once again reaffirming that my AfD votes should never be questioned as I'm almost always right. Thanks. :) I hope you're enjoying the pig! ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

I am just glad that UNR once again defeated UNLV to take the Fremont Cannon, starting to make up for their pitiful start. kelapstick (talk) 04:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I just did a major overhaul to Fremont Cannon and am trying to get some more pictures...what do you think, the rivalry could use some expansion...--kelapstick (talk) 23:13, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

UNR has a football team? ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Not much of one. kelapstick (talk) 13:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Magnum Crimen

This might interest you. An editor posted a complaint to Jimbo's page (since removed) about the way the article was being edited. It's now at AfD. Seems like the type of esoteric European religious history that might be your kind of thing. Your gentle touch with troubled editors may also be useful... ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:43, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Discussion about bibliography articles

Hi Drmies,

I know you were involved in a previous discussion on this topic and thought you might be interested in participating here.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 15:00, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Survey

For better or worse my draft survey on adminship has been substantially modified [13]. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:31, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

• What can I say? I'm touched! And I don't know if I should spank you or thank you, and you know what I'm talking about. Take care. I just created content! Woohoo! Carol Laise. Drmies (talk) 19:37, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

You are definitely "touched". ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Such a good question about you and it didn't make the survey....? ;P--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 23:25, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, it is a good question, I won't deny that! Drmies (talk) 23:27, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Wally Tax

On October 6, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Wally Tax, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

SoWhy 16:43, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

FYI

This is the new standard for user pages: User:Guitarherochristopher. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

• Also, did you see this article [14]? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Nice. Does Bacon mania still exist? Did you add this? Today I had some leftover bacon from this morning--smeared a little mayo on it, couple of drops of Frank's Red Hot--delicious! And, eh, who are these dudes? I'm cutting 'em. I did check out your guitarhero, but got distracted on ANI by other exciting stuff. I'll get back to it. Later! Drmies (talk) 03:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

How European of you to put mayo on your bacon! Did you eat it out of a paper cone? Also, please advise on whether it is appropriate to put bacon mayo on bacon?

Which dudes? Are you hearing voices again? Cutting who? Stay safe. And remember, just say no. A mind is a terrible thing to waste. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I didn't even realize the last slogan was related to the UNCF. As some of my jokes have been misunderstood of late, I'm trying to think if there are any unintended implications. Should I have gone with This Is Your Brain on Drugs? That doesn't really make sense without the video. Is it public domain? Maybe I can add it to my signature page... No one has signed on yet. But I'm expecting a real rush soon. Are there too many layers of sarcasm and irony? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:18, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you have too much time on your hands? Why don't you apply some reference templates to the now much skinnier article Thetextpage? Yeah, bacon and mayo...a match made in heaven...dunno abuot bacon mayo; I'm staying away from that stuff. Drmies (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I figured out which dudes you were talking about. I put those there after this cool animation I found on guitarhero's page got deleted. Should I have gone with the lego animation instead? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:58, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Since you said you'd do it

.... go clean up thetextpage now that the AfD is closed as 'keep'. DS (talk) 23:37, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

• I said I'd do it? There was an AfD? The thing looks familiar, though... Drmies (talk) 04:16, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

"I'll be happy to do it, once the AfD closes (if it's a keep, that is)." Busted. Should we expect you for dinner or will you still be working on the mopping up? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, I see it now that I've plowed through my contributions. Note that I didn't say I'd clean up--I said I'd gladly apply a blunt ax. What cryptic edit summaries: "{{subst:afd1}}" and "trim". Mhking, DS, more words please. CoM, I think I have a roast in the oven--gotta run. Drmies (talk) 21:12, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Clean enough? Drmies (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

C- ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Suckling pig

Also referred to as a sucking pig? Not if I cook it. :) Dr., I have made some highly appropriate modifications. It's all yours now to expand. Good luck! I'll let you know if Alabama is ranked higher than Boise State when I get a look at the L.A. Times (slightly more reliable and somewhat less biased than its NY cousin) when I get to the sports pages later today. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

A little suggestion on how to be a better human being

Rather than taking the negative tact that you did... harshly and viciously accusing the author of "puffery," a more productive approach would have been to simply offer suggestions, assuming that your contentions had any merit in the first place.

When your first communication reeks of the odorous stench of negativity, it lays the foundation for a bad relationship.

NealZaslavsky (talk) 05:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi Drmies. I also have some suggestions for how you can be a better human being. Unfortunately, they are not printable in a family-oriented publication such as Wikipedia. By the way, I think the above commentator meant "tack", "reeks", and "odorous". I am curious as to how he honmed in on your smell via the 'net. ^Bongo_matic 06:04, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, my smell is powerful. Drmies (talk) 15:30, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Neal. I'm going to look up olorous now. BBL. (refactored in good faith). I will pray for Mies and Bongo... Okay, I'm back. I couldn't find olorous. There's dolorous, which doesn't seem quite right, and odorous.

On behalf of Bongo and the good Doctor, I want to thank you, Neal, for looking out for your fellow editors and for suggesting and more collegial and considerate approach. We can all be better people and there's always room for improvement (except perhaps in my case, I follow the if it ain't broke don't fix it model...) You might have been a little softer in your approach to offering advice to Drmies (leading by example), but I understand it takes a pretty strong push to get through sometimes. I will try to keep an eye on these boys and I trust they will be gentle and loving to their fellow man (are there any women on Wiki?) from here on out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:42, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

20,001

Congratulations! Thank you for the huge honor! Wow. I'm speechless... almost.

After sticking up for Die4Dixie I'm not exactly sure about that particular image... but I'm happy to be part of any barbecue, and I'm sure all of my talk page stalkers will assume good faith!

Hoorah. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:51, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Ahmed Rushdi

I completely agree with you -- any unverified statements and deemed POV can be removed, unless any reliable sources are provided to support them. utcursch | talk 06:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

• Either your child is not sleepy either or we are in entirely different timezones. Thanks for the note! Drmies (talk) 06:50, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Auburn and Georgia?

Whoa. A big article in the Times (the L.A. one, not that tabloid on the east coast) about Rotterdam's mayor. Interesting. Have a good one. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:00, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Portuguese

I have a good reading knowledge, but do not speak it. 14 hits, and some dupicated doesnt sound very notable and I will check how many are RS. Ill read them before renominating. A medal from a one man show organization doesnt sound very notable on its face, but I will look into it.--Die4Dixie (talk) 19:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for your note, D4D. Take care, Drmies (talk) 20:49, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Edith Flagg

Mentions your homeland. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:54, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

J.M. Meulenhoff

I was looking at this article and it almost seems like an advert. Without any combative intent on my part, would you explain to me please how you find this private company notable? I am simply curious. Turqoise127 (talk) 16:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Nothing. It is an obscene burst of nationalism by a misguided patriot. Care to explain yourself, Doc? ^Bongo_matic 16:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Turquoise, thanks for your question. Please pardon Bongomatic's interjection--the last book he saw was his freshman comp book, when he sold it for $10 to someone who was not dropping out of college.

Well, consider the phrase "which has built a reputation publishing literary works in Dutch and in translation"--is that what you're wondering about? If it is verifiably true, it's not bragging. I've added some award-winning authors published by the company, among whom you'll find a winner of the P. C. Hooft Award, a winner of the National Book Critics Circle Award, a winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, and a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and the Congressional Gold Medal. I will grant immediately that for publishing houses it is not so easy to find second- or third-party sources that prove notability, but in such cases (as with record companies, for instance), the proof is in the pudding. Take care, Drmies (talk) 21:22, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh. Hm. Well, I'm just learning here, but tell me, how is one publishing company Wiki-worthy and another possibly is not? So what if they publish award winning authors? Notability is not inherited, right? An agent of an Oscar winning actor isn't notable? Heck, this means that if I start a publishing company in Pakistan (for example) and I am most competent and get the rights to publish the works of the above listed authors, my company is on Wiki! Again, please correct me if my line of thought is false...Turqoise127 (talk) 14:54, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, maybe not false, but somewhat exaggerated, I'd say. If you start a company in Pakistan, and you acquire the publishing rights to Elie Wiesel, that would probably mean that you are notable in the real world (or you wouldn't get the rights), and it would probably prove that you are notable in WP terms (because signing Wiesel will automatically make the papers--and even if not, it's a big enough deal). I wouldn't call that "inheriting." The simple truth is that for instance an upstart record label that releases U2's records, even if no one has ever heard of that label before, is immediately notable. An agent isn't exactly the same thing as a publishing company, though they have lots of things in common--but I don't care about agents, I care about publishing houses and journals and such. BTW, if you looked at the Meulenhoff article now, since you prodded me to spend some time on it, you will have seen that the notability threshold is easily reached here, which I gather you agreed to in your "Oh. Hm." Take care, Drmies (talk) 17:05, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

One Final Goodbye

This will be the very last time you will ever EVER hear from me. I have to think about my real life and I therefore will never return to Wikipedia. Not next month. Not next year. Never. And this time, nothing will ever bring me back, as I have changed my password to some random combination of numbers and letters with my eyes closed. With no knowledge of what the new "password" is, and with next to no chance of ever guessing it, I can never be tempted into logging in and editing ever again. I will be logging out once more at the end of this session. When I do, it will be the last time and from that point, there will be no going back for me. I don't think I even need to say how good a friend on here you have been to me. You should know it already. Goodbye, for the definite last time and all the best with your future pursuits on this encyclopedia.--Sky Attacker Here comes the bird! 04:50, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

• Hey Sky, I didn't see you had posted here also--sorry. I left you a note on your talk page a few days ago; I hope you got it on time. Thanks for hanging out here, and take care of yourself! Drmies (talk) 16:59, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re. notability

Greetings Drmies. Thanks for your input at Black Note and at User talk:Bongomatic's talk. As you point out, Bongomatic evidently knows his/her way round Wikipedia, which is why I requested guidance to the guideline, and which is why his/her use of the following I will, however, take the article to AfD unless real references are inserted (possibly by me if I find any) was both unnecessary and borderline not good faith. It irks me to be defending allmusic because I personally don't consider it a good source, but show me a music artist-related article at Wikipedia that doesn't use it! I reckon that most artists' articles here are based solely on that reference alone. Regards,--Technopat (talk) 06:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

It is useful for verification, but not for notability. Nobody is suggesting that allmusic should be excluded. Just as it would be unhelpful for an article on a film or actor not to include references to IMDb, it would be unhelpful for an article about an artist or an album not to include references to allmusic. That doesn't mean that such a reference is sufficient to establish notability. Make sense? ^Bongo_matic 06:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Technopat, if you wish to go and nominate a bunch of the articles that use only Allmusic, you have my blessing--I have acted similarly in the past if I could not find any other sources. Yes, there are many such articles, and the ones we (you, Bongo, I) run across for whatever reason we subject to closer scrutiny. I don't consider Bongo's remark to be borderline anything, personally--and the "possibly by me if I find any" is in fact very nice: here is someone who will go out and look for references before they nominate anything, and Bongo in fact often does that. I believe that all of us are in agreement on the use of Allmusic and on its occasional abuse as a (sole) source of notability; in this case, the two records on notable labels fortunately forestall any move toward deletion. You are right to say that a lot of articles use only Allmusic, and if you think about it, you and Bongo are really on the same wavelength. I propose that we shake hands, have some chocolate covered bacon, and clean up some more articles. Bongo, you go out and watch Black Note, or the individual members, and take some nice pictures. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 15:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Greetings Drmies. Thanks for your contribution - don't think the "to-do" 'tween Bongomatic and myself had reached levels requiring "mediation", but seen from the outside it's probably best to nip these things in the bud. No objection to shaking hands (shakehands icon), but if it's all the same to you both, I'll give the c-covered b. a miss. Happy editing to all. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 18:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Reinventing surrealism

I have added a db-g3 and hoax tag to this article you PRODded, because I recognise the style - it was written by the Postmodernism Generator, a program written by Andrew Bulhak of Monash University to satirise post-modern gobbledegook. To generate another one just like it, click here. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:08, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

• Ha! Excellent! Thanks! Yeah, I was thinking about calling it something along those lines, but it has been suggested to me that I should be nicer when applying speedy templates. But John, this generator might just propel me into tenure. Regards, Drmies (talk) 23:18, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

User:Drmies Help, please!

I am finally beginning to edit and I would like for you to please check my work as I go along the rosy path.

I am editing on the Missing Persons (band), Warren Cuccurullo, and Dale Bozzio pages.

Also, what should I put in my User page so that my User:name will be recognized and turn from red to blue? Doc2234 (talk) 00:43, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

• No! Not Missing Persons! That time is gone, and good riddance! OK, click on "edit" and look at how the wikilinks work--the article name first, and then the term that will appear on the screen. It's called a piped link" and it's really cool. As for your user page, all you need to do is "create" it, so to speak, which I'll do for you imminently: check it out. It'll turn blue as soon as it exists--that is, as soon as I've put a userbox in there for you. Drmies (talk) 00:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Oh, yes Missing Persons! And there will likely be a fair amount of work on the band page and the band members' pages too, for me anyway. Thank you for "creating" me. I have already made some edits on those pages. Doc2234 (talk) 01:19, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
    • And of course, I do listen to FZ! Great choice! Doc2234 (talk) 01:25, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
      • Can I guess it or what? I was also going to give a Crimson Tide box, since you sound like a very reasonable person (after all, you're also a doc), but I couldn't find one. When you're done with Missing Persons and all that stuff, see about looking into a bacon-related article or two. Bacon jam could be right up your alley. But let me warn you: there are pitfalls here, and some of the "regulars" can easily lead you astray--it is my duty to warn you especially about User:ChildofMidnight. Don't go near him, don't even go to his user page--he's got some cute puppy looking at you, but before you know you're involved in papal conspiracy theories or alien abductions. Happy editing! Drmies (talk) 01:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

If Alabama can eke out a victory over South Carolina I have them ranked 11th behind Texas Christian, Iowa, Oregon, Boise State and the leading BCS contender teams. It's going to be tough for them to move up much until they play some real competition. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

• Good point. They've only played a nr. 7, nr. 21, and nr. 22 team, and it's not like the SEC is a particularly strong conference. Drmies (talk) 01:35, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm having a tough time watching the sloppy play. Are those Alabama's starters? Your quarterback is lucky South Carolina's defenders don't know how to catch the ball. In fact I've switched over to see who's the fastest at making left turns in Nascar.

What would Bear Bryant say?

At least Ingram seems okay. And it was interesting to watch Spurrier call the same exact fade play 4 or so times. When I do that in my league it has the same result. What are these ranked teams you've supposedly played? Florida International? North Texas? Looks pretty wimpy to me. Uh oh, South Carolina is driving (despite a quarteback who is like 6 - 24). At least it's close I guess. I hope you have something good to eat while enduring this "display". :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

FUMBLE!!! I may have to rethink my ranking for Alabama. I think my generosity might have gotten the best of me. I might still be able to justify a top 25 ranking, but I'm not sure. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:20, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I started an article on Alshon Jeffrey and his high school, Calhoun County High School, in case you want to expand them. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:55, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmm. So Mark Ingram, Jr. ended up with only 246 yards, or something like that. Pathetic. Bama barely eked out a win against this minor team, which doesn't seem to have a notable coach. Wow. [Seriously, CoM, I accept your apology.] Drmies (talk) 03:08, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

If Ingram could throw the ball you'd be all set. Maybe y'all should try the wildcat? The games today were all a bit weak, so don't take it so hard. I still have you guys in the upper teens. Ingram seemed like a nice kid in his interview also. Kudos to him. It seems hid dad got in some trouble, as is to be expected from a fomer Giant. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:36, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry I didn't watch any games today! Drmies, If I post a proposed edit into my talk page, could you review it for conformance with guidelines? Doc2234 (talk) 00:00, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
  • I checked Warren Cuccurullo's page this morning and the photo is vertically compressed. Do you get the same compression when you access the page? When I made my last edit on the page, I didn't revise anything around the photo. Doc2234 (talk) 15:43, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Going back through the history, it's been that way since the image was added, here. I tried to fiddle a bit with it but was unsuccessful, and looking at other articles didn't help either. I did note that the image is huge (compare FZ's, for instance)--maybe that has something to do with it. CoM, any advice here? Drmies (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
      • Ah! It's in the image itself. Look here: the earliest two versions looks fine, until an edit "per author's request." I'll drop the editor a line. Drmies (talk) 19:05, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
        • Thank you! I'm going to try to get a picture of Dale Bozzio to put into her page in the near future. I've been looking at her page relative to the other original band members' pages and I think that it could use an overhaul. Possibly, the Career and Personal Life sections could be combined into a Biographical Information section. My thought is that, given that a fair amount of her career and personal life were mixed together, the revised format could better explain that. Also, the current page info does not address her childhood ambitions, and the fact that she was still doing significant work with Frank Zappa at the same time that MP was in full swing in the early 80's. It also does not address her stage and video apparel, and that has become significant now because Lady GaGa drew from her and MP too. Look at the cover of GaGa's Cherrytree Sessions. It's similar to Spring Session M. I have been compiling a number of references to use for future edits. Sorry, I don't know how all of that just spilled out! Doc2234 (talk) 20:46, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Image

I had no idea why it was compressed. I cleared my cache on Wikimedia Commons and it went away. I didn't check the article here, though. I uploaded it again under a new name and put the original up for speedy deletion. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll keep a better eye on changes I make to images in the future. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 23:50, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for cleaning it up--he looks much better now. Incidentally, my three-year old thought it was a picture of me (maybe that's a bad sign for Warren). Drmies (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

  I had no idea who he was when the author gave me his image. It's kind of weird uploading so many images of people I don't know, but I guess that's the point of Wikipedia—to help me learn about other people. And wow, you're three-year-old is already using Wikipedia? I see SAT scores raising considerably in the next 10-20 years. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 00:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

  I wish I took that image. No, the image is just one of hundreds of quality images others take that I get their permission to release them under a free license. The only way I could take that picture is if I went to the zoo and put a turtle in the heron exhibit (or vice versa). --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 04:30, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Would you be able to do a review?

Drmies, I understand that you prefer the more verbose, abstruse and embellished prose of the likes of Arundhati Roy, but do you have the time and inclination to do a GA review for R. K. Narayan? It looks like GAN is backlogged and I am trying to find a reviewer who is unlikely to touch this article out of interest. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 00:26, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

As someone who has yet to read the greatest works of Indonesian/ Dutch colonial fiction, is Drmies qualified for this sort of task? I have seen him do some fine work on children's fiction. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, while I was washing some dirty socks, I saw the good doc post this, so I assumed that his literary pursuits were of the more esoteric variety. But I'll add that R. K. Narayan is known for his brevity and simplicity and I took to his writings when I was less than ten years old, so if your assessment is right CoM, this might just be up his alley. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 02:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Spiff, I am honored to be asked. Full disclosure: I read some of Roy's prose fiction, and found it...well, I will keep my opinion to myself. Let's just say I didn't buy any of her books. I saw in the article history that CoM has touched it--shall I start by rolling back? Sure, I'll look into it; give me a day or two. Drmies (talk) 02:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Can you believe it? I confused Roy and Taslima Nasrin. My apologies to Ms. Roy. Drmies (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Why not start with cutting the last paragraph of the lede? That biographical note comes somewhat unannounced and doesn't really go anywhere. Without it, the lede is much stronger. Drmies (talk) 02:50, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I just did that independently. CoM had rearranged the lede to improve the flow and the last line was left hanging by itself, so I just removed it. Also, addressed the issue of the peacock and the monkey, they were very real, and apparently impressed William Walsh (academic) too (page 9 of Walsh, William (1982), R.K. Narayan: a critical appreciation, University of Chicago Press). Thanks for taking a look at this!

• I started that section because the lede is too short. It's a massive article and needs three good paragraphs of introduction. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:19, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

As for Roy, I believe the original by Harper Lee was way better! cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 03:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I should have known he had something to do with it. There are some comma issues; without looking at the history, it's safe to say that those are probably CoM's fault. I'm going to leave some comments at Talk:R. K. Narayan/GA1. Drmies (talk) 03:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll look at the comments there and clean up. I tend to overdo semicolons but I'm a bit more miserly with commas; I'll sift through for both once more. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 03:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Well, in some places you need them and in other places they need to be cut. Also, you'll need to sprinkle a few hyphens over the article (hint: see first sentence of "Turning point" section). Did I already tell you that I think the article is looking pretty good? Drmies (talk) 03:53, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Spiff, I hope you are aware that this process could mean the end of a budding friendship--and I apologize in advance. Just remember that life is infinitely worse for those who actually know me in real life. Drmies (talk) 14:48, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight at the review page. I sought out someone I haven't had any article interaction with, because they would be more objective! This is my first "real" article, most of my other article writing has been restricted to creating stubs/start-class articles or referencing and cleaning up pre-written ones, so I could definitely do with all your feedback. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 16:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Check it out: Harvey Breit. Added a bluelink. Drmies (talk) 17:16, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten the stuff I'm supposed to do on RKN, I've just got a flurry of comments on this FLC and just come to realize that Wikitables don't like cricketing stats! I'll most likely be able to get to the RKN article only tomorrow. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 23:13, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, not to worry--you're not on a schedule here. As for cricket scores, no human brain can possibly fathom how those work, so don't be surprised that tables don't like 'em either. Toodle pip, Drmies (talk) 23:51, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

My dog has the same problem with that game where you run around with the ball in your hands but call football, so much so, if there's even an advert referring to it on TV, he'll just walk out of the room. -SpacemanSpiff 17:58, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

<--Watch it, Spiffy. That's important stuff you're talking about. Consider how much time the American government spends on, say, the Kashmir conflict, and compare that to the importance of the Bowl Championship Series. Surely if Orrin Hatch, senator for Utah, who couldn't find Kashmir on a map if his life depended on it, calls upon the president to look into this BCS matter, then you know which one of these matters is more important in the grand scheme of things. I'll also have you know that my guys are ranked 1 or 2, depending on the poll. So you just settle down with your outs and your overs and your wickets, and have a cup of tea Saturday when Alabama kicks off against Tennessee. It's going to be a scorcher. Drmies (talk) 23:44, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Sigh, I fear for the world whenever someone quotes Hatch. But I'll let that be, I know more about wikitables now than I ever thought I'd care. I've attempted to fix attribution issues. More can be included as the NYT, New Yorker critics all have articles here, as do two of RKNs official biographers. cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 04:10, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I hear you. Those tables aren't easy, and I'm glad you've mastered the skill. I'll call on you next time, and will return to RKN tomorrow or the day after. Later, Drmies (talk) 04:16, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

I've addressed most of your comments so far, and I believe the article is now at least as NPOV as reviews by Wyatt Mason and Barbara Crossette. Unfortunately all three of the biographers suffered from the slobbering fanboy syndrome (as do I), so I've had to look elsewhere for the critical reception section. I'll do the copy edit and lede expansion tomorrow (I printed out the page, and have come to realize that copy editing and monitors don't go well; finally all those hours of grading papers for minimum wage at grad school might just pay off!) cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 03:23, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey Spiff, it's not that the article sounds like it's written by a fanboy, far from it. BTW, I envy you: you made minimum wage! BTW, I didn't know, initially, about the lead, but I think it shouldn't be so hard for you to pull off. Good luck! Drmies (talk) 03:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

(outdent)Doc, I think I've addressed all your comments so far. There are a couple of points I'd like your feedback on:

• colons vs dashes: "..in 1938: he would translate", "...short stories: Malgudi Days.." and "...more pages: a complete insight...". I use colons, but I think dashes tend to be preferred here (particularly 1 and 3), but I couldn't get myself to change it:)
• Could you also take a look at the second paragraph of "Writing style"? It doesn't read well, but I can't figure what to do.

cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 20:22, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Drmies, don't know if you saw this, normally see a response from you pretty soon, even if to say you'll check later :) cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 17:37, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Just sayin'

AP #1. Tiderolls 03:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Hehe yes. Most of my students support Auburn; they were terribly depressed. (Or they didn't care for Dr. Faustus.) Drmies (talk) 03:14, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Not a two-way street?

In regards to your reversion of adding Artis the Spoonman to Frank Zappa's associated acts, they have shared the stage a lot and after the two already mentioned names in his infobox, is Frank Zappa's closest related musical act.--Spoon Maniac (talk) 05:29, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Spoon, thanks for your note. I disagree--there are a lot of acts who are much closer to Zappa in many ways, including the London Symphony Orchestra and the dozens of musicians and composers he worked with in his latter years, such as the Ensemble Modern. There are some reliable sources discussing Artis and Zappa (none of them are cited in the article, mind you), but in my opinion the USA Today article listed in that Google News search is correct. Zappa may have been Artis's hero, but those encounters with Zappa, and a brief appearance at the Palladium, don't add up to his being "associated" with Zappa. I do believe, however, that Zappa could get a slightly bigger note in Artis's article--Zappa and Soundgarden are really his claims to fame, but better sources than that united mutations website are needed. Drmies (talk) 14:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Wow! You were right.

Drmies, you were right! Some edits were made to the Warren Cuccurullo page by User:ChildofMidnight and I went to his page and could not help staring into the eyes of the puppy! But I was able to force myself to turn away before the point of no return.

I do have to talk to ChildofMidnight. I am not sure that the personal life and restaurant projects should be the first thing that you read about Warren Cuccurullo. What is your opinion? I plan to gingerly slide over to ChildofMidnight's talk page and ask him, too.

Thank you for contacting User:Nehrams2020 to get the photo issue resolved.

Warren Cuccurullo is included in Category:Missing Persons members. Currently, the list is not complete, and there is no annotation concerning whether a member was an original member, or a post '86 member. Also, only band members who have Wikipedia pages are at this point included. Shall I start to add members, even if they are not in Wikipedia, to the list?

I have looked for a Category:Frank Zappa members, but I haven't found one. Of course Warren Cuccurullo would be on the list along with other Missing Persons members. Is that a category that we could create, if it truly does not yet exist? As you know, the category would have a long list of members. Doc2234 (talk) 15:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Usually we list only subjects that have WP articles. I think you should consider creating stubs for these members, and then see if they get to stay or not. Do the best you can creating these new articles--it's kind of fun. As for CoM, I wouldn't slide anything his way gingerly: a rough shove is best. And isn't that a cute dog? Somewhere on WP someone gave CoM an honorable mention for "best puppy on user page" or something like that--and I am proud to say I put it there. For a while, we had one like it, named Oliver. Drmies (talk) 15:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Just be glad I left the rest of the trivia in the article. As far as I can tell he's (Cuccurullo) only slightly more notable than Claw Boys Claw, and if it weren't for his restaurant interests, there would be no need for an article at all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:22, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Huh? That dog is more notable than the Claw Boys Claw? Drmies (talk) 16:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I clarified. What's cooking? Can you believe how high Alabama is ranked? I guess they like setting teams up for a fall. That ranking system is silliness. Does anyone actually watch the games? The Wolfpack in Reno is moving up, look out! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:06, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I didn't see that Claw Boys Claw have any restaurants. Well, the fact is that Warren Cuccurullo is an outstanding rock guitarist. I'll boldly go over to ChildofMidnight's talk page and request the revision. Doc2234 (talk) 18:05, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

If it weren't for my respect for Drmies and his time spent as a tambouriner for Claw Boys Claw, there would be no need to keep that article. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:21, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

DOCTOR Mies!

Do I know you?--Spoon Maniac (talk) 19:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• HA! You got me! Damn it, don't out me! Trust me, I look better now I got rid of that Christmas sweater. Drmies (talk) 19:44, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Antoinette Perry and Tony Award

Can you clarify the awards you've listed in Harvey Breit's article? The Antoinette Perry article says the Tony award is named after her. What is the Antoinette Perry Award? Are you making shit up again? Is this what happens when people start arbitrarily ranking things without any factual basis grounded in reality? ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• No, I honestly had no idea what it was and left it for you. That particular bit of information comes from the Gale article. You see, my life has become a lot more fun now that I have you. Drmies (talk) 20:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't see a Gale article. You mean the Gelb article? You are taking stuff from the New York Times? Seriously? Drmies, how many times have I told you that nothing in that tabloid can be trusted. No wonder there is so much fantasy in these articles... Oh well. At least it's not in a high profile article about a popular and highly collectible art form practiced by devoted and renowned artistes. I just lost all my work on an article because one of the links was bad. Grrrrr! That's one of the reasons I try to save as I go. Oh well. That's what I get for doing a bunch of work and putting up in mass. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:15, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh wait, the Time article? The formatting seems off since the author's name isn't out front. Have you considered using my approach to citations?

Anyway, I read as much of the Time article as I could bear, but I couldn't find a mention of the award. The article begins: "The Disenchanted (by Budd Schulberg and Harvey Breit) treats of Manley Halliday, who. if not wholly Scott Fitzgerald, is very much his blood brother. It treats of him, in a running narrative, in defeat; it shows him, by way of flashbacks, in decline." which I imagine meets your "high" standards for semi-colon and comma use? :) Wow.

• Gale, fool. The database that contains the Contemporary Authors Online stuff. Footnote five in the current version/ Why do I put up with this? Oh, I went out tonight and heard some great American rock 'n roll. Sometimes it is a joy to be here. Drmies (talk) 05:19, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, identifying the cite as the one from Contemporary Authors Online would have been more helpful than suggesting Gale, which is subtly included misleadingly as the name of the publisher. Perhaps you should consider a more sophisticated citation method? Aymatth2 informs me that "our" cultural and political hegemony may not last forever. Enjoy it while it lasts. Ragas and shadow puppeteering (something you seem to be qutie good at...) may be the more dominant performance arts in coming years. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to be bold and take out the award bit. Maybe the Tony Award article explains that is was once called something else? I think it's the same award.

Have a good one! Stay out of trouble. The moral and ethical issues satirized in Narayan's work might do you some good to consider. :) Is pretending to be #2 in the country appropriate? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:28, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

• Low and behold Antoinette Perry Award redirect to Tony Award. Problem solved. I will clean up the *cough* mess. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:33, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
• There's a discussion involving you on my talk page. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

More cheating

[15]. A total ban from college football may be necessary to address this long-term pattern of abuse up. Recruiting violations, then free textbooks, and now tape on the field? There are rules Doc, rules. ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

• Look, ever since I left the joint things have been going downhill, that's no secret. The latest news is that the U is trying to buy Bryce Hospital--in part so the faculty can take long walks on the 200 or so acres of greenspace, and in part, no doubt, to house the English faculty. Sad but true, and too late for me, I'm afraid. In relation to football, though, perhaps you are pleased with Orrin Hatch's call to president Obama to investigate the BCS for falling foul of anti-trust legislation. May the groove be with you, Drmies (talk) 14:12, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

There was an article, I think on ESPN, about how the BCS rewards weak schedules (overweighting undefeated records regardless of who teams play). Should a loss against a top flight school count so much while another team that wins against minor school is rewarded? I think it's bogus. It will always be a messy system without a play-off system, and even then it will be messy I suppose. :) Anyway, it's fun to give you a hard time. If Alabama wins out they will be looking good, but the meat of their schedule is coming up: Tennessee and LSU. And don't forget the last game of the season against Auburn. ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:33, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposition (Grammar)

Thank you for requesting an outside viewpoint. First let me say that I apologize if you were offended by my tone in the discussion page, but I must say that I was very offended by yours as well. You were the second person in a few minutes to drastically alter the article (changing it to a redirect) without using the discussion board at all. You assumed your viewpoint to be correct and even in doing the merger made no attempt at including the keypoints of this article into the one which you redirected to. To simply make a major change like this without discussing it or voicing your concerns is counter to the spirit of wikipedia. People create articles because they have recognized a purpose for them -- a missing resource that makes wikipedia more useful. I also undid your action asking that it be left as if until discussed (which is the normal process on this site). That again did not happen and to me that much more than critical wording leads toward an edit war.

As for the reasoning behind this article: the main proposition article deals with philosophy and mainly with arguments of logic. This does cross into linguistics in the field of semantics (the study of the meaning of language) but is entirely different than its treatment in dealing with syntax. The point of the proposition (grammar) article is to provide an easy to understand definition of the term as it is used in linguistics to refer to syntax (the study of how the structures of the sentence work). It is this syntactic use of proposition that is the purpose of this article. In linguistics semantics and syntax are of course integrated into the field as a whole and both important to language study. However, in syntax the study is of interrelation of structures and operates mostly independently of meaning. These two fields use many of the same terms and do so with entirely different meanings. It's confusing to say the least, but this is the nature of the field. Many of these same terms appear in philosophy, physics, or mathematics. Adding this to the philosophy article would result in an unwieldy and far too generalizes article that would devalue both uses. There are plenty of other articles on wikipedia that operate with separate articles for separate meanings. And these two articles being separate follows that tradition. All that combining the syntactic usage of proposition with the semantic usage will do is confuse people who will see a huge article covering a large amount of possibilities most of which have nothing to do with the usage they are trying to understand (if they are looking at grammar). By the same thinking with the merger, would you not also need to include the business usage of proposition and the use of the term in prostitution? Drew.ward (talk) 10:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

• There is too much in here for me to process right now, but let me say just one thing: saying that Proposition is a "philosophy article" is incorrect and goes to the heart of the matter--why the redirect was made in the first place and why I restored it. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Your note

You're welcome. If it starts up again, and I seem not to notice, please drop me a note. My watchlist is so long these days, it's practically useless. :) SlimVirgin ^{talk|contribs} 15:07, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks. This is the first time I run into you--your legendary status precedes you. I see why many value your contributions. Drmies (talk) 15:13, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Carraway Methodist Medical Center

Nice work. I look forward to seeing it on the front page. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 04:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks. I do believe it is true what I always tell my students: if you start digging, you'll always find an interesting bit of knowledge, simply because the world is an interesting place. Good luck in the RfA, by the way! Drmies (talk) 17:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for The first tome or volume of the Paraphrase of Erasmus vpon the newe testamente

On October 23, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The first tome or volume of the Paraphrase of Erasmus vpon the newe testamente, which you recently nominated. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 15:03, 23 October 2009 (UTC) 19:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Dieter Blok

FYI. It's a speedy nom so it may not be there for long. If it's deleted you would need to be an admin to see it. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Re:Boba Phat

I hope I didn't upset you with my comments. My goal was to get the two of you talking. Keep in mind, SheighZam is a new user, and your approach, while well-intentioned, is viewed as "impolite" by her. I was hoping the two of you could work it out, as she could learn quite a bit from you. Viriditas (talk) 23:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

• Well, I don't really mind; I've heard worse. I have to tell you, while I understand what you were doing, I don't much care to be thrown in with the stereotypical group of computer-addicted white male nerds. And that Boba Phat article, well, you know how I feel about it, and I've at least got policy on my side. I know that they are a new user--but even new users should be able to accept criticism, especially if it's not played ad hominem. But I'll let that one article be, including the accusations against me on the talk page, since I do have better things to do: I've noticed that Pig's ear (food) needs to be expanded badly. Happy editing, Drmies (talk) 23:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
  • I'll be more than happy to remove any such accusations. Are they on Talk:Boba Phat or do you mean my comments? I've told SheighZam that critical commentary from editors like yourself is valuable and helps us improve. I think it can be difficult for editors who haven't been here very long to get used to it, so please excuse her. Viriditas (talk) 23:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Thanks, but let's let bygones be bygones--there's no need to go through the text to pick out this and that, but I appreciate the offer. I do believe you'd make a good mediator around here, but don't forget to swallow your cod liver oil tonight. ;) Drmies (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Without having looked at the discussion, I thought it important to note that I agree with SheighZam. I hope that helps. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

That's all you got? You must be tired. Say your prayers, take your vitamins, and get some sleep. Drmies (talk) 05:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Did you know ...

... that the citizens of Birmingham fought harder for civil rights and against institutionalized racism in the United States than those of just about anywhere else? In all seriousness, I used to be able to watch the big blue star from my balcony, but I never knew that about Carraway - neat. - 2/0 (cont.) 06:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

• Hmm...all citizens? Dr. King might have been able to modify that appropriately. But to speak of modern times, I was at a conference today where it was noted how much progress Birmingham has made in terms of race and LGBT relations, and that pleased me. Thanks for your comment--and I know there must be more to the history of Carraway, so feel free to expand if you have any more knowledge. I got to writing the article because I did a bit of work on Bryce Hospital (close to my old stomping ground), and I had no idea that I would find something so interesting, so ironic, so...well, Southern. Drmies (talk) 06:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

We've got ourselves a game!

... ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Tennessee's kicker is going to be the game's MVP. But for which team??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

hahaha. Congrats. Eked it out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I was sweating bullets. Or, as the Dutch say, I squeezed it like an old thief. Hey, thanks for pitching in on the Greyhound article--I smell a DYK coming. Maybe I can take that picture tomorrow; a DYK with a photo always works better. How are your teams doing? Drmies (talk) 23:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Lately I find myself rooting strongly for whoever Alabama is playing... :) How about that onside kick? And who knew you were allowed to take off your helmet after a play... How funny would that have been if they flagged him! Tennessee needed to run another pass play, but oh well.

I used to enjoy Michigan, but I can't bring myself to root for a Rich Rodriguez team. I root against Ohio State and USC of course. Florida State and Tennessee are usually fun. Pittsburgh is looking good. I guess I like a good game. Underdogs. Charismatic quarterbacks. Oregon is sloppy but exciting. Oh and I like Texas of course. Vince Young is the greatest. :) And Ricky Williams was amazing. Boston College has had some good passing teams. No favorites this year really. Anyway, enjoy the win! Your defense looked good and the refs played well for you. :) Hahahaha. That was a close one Doc. What's on tap for next week? LSU? And then Auburn is still to come last game of the regular season??? Gulp. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Florida and Tebow are fun too. And I like Hawaii and Fresno State and Marshall type schools when they're fun. Miami of Ohio with Roethlisberger was interesting. Hey, so who's in the Heisman hunt? Tebow just had a big turnover and Ingram had one today too if I'm remembering right. Give it to the true freshman at Pittsburgh? McCoy? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh and I think it's fun that Iowa is in the mix. Makes for a good story. I liked Kansas State with Darren Sproles and that mobile quarterback they had back then. So here's my final answer: Texas or Oregon #1 against Florida or Pitt#2. :) With Iowa as the wildcard. Bama v. USC in the Tidy Bowl would be okay with me. I'd be able to root for Bama in that case. Although I do like USC's young QB. No need to have another little school (Boise State?) embarass you in the big show like Utah did. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:00, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Typical of a liberal like you--rooting for no one, being wooed by "charisma", but only taking a stand against someone or something. A clear sign of a lack of moral grounding. That you would enjoy the play of an avowed partaker of illegal substances goes without saying. I'll send you some talking points one of these days, and a copy of the good book. Drmies (talk) 01:13, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

South Carolina is going to be good next year with Stephen Garcia and Alshon Jeffrey if they can pick up a couple more players in the off-season. And LSU is looking very strong for next weekend... I'm not an LSU fan, but it will be a fun game to watch. :)

Please don't be envious of my big tent approach Doc. I'm proud to be inclusive and to judge teams based their merit and the talents of their individual players rather than dicriminating with stereotypes and profiling. ;) Every team deserves a chance Doc. Not just the ones well connected with skilled rule breakers giving away textbooks... ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

LMAO [16] ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

• Ha, that is kind of funny. That fishing story, BTW, is a bit overblown here: really that's undue weight. Oh, there's a few 'friendly' editors at work there--note my attempt to make this less laughable to you. Well, there were a lot of tight games: even Florida had a hard time! Poor Auburn. Hey, thanks again for your help with the Greyhound station: did you see the nomination at DYK? Drmies (talk) 03:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Uh huh, huh huh

He said "chronic". ^Bongo_matic 01:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Weren't you just talking about how much you like savory herbs? Or was it unsavory herbs that you liked? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Marilyn Monroe

"Please remember to mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Marilyn Monroe, as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits... Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette."

They were genuinely minor edits (spelling corrections), which is why I listed it as such.

I appreciate the reminder, but you need to get a life -- seriously! 98.119.11.214 (talk) 04:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

• And I appreciate that reminder. Not caring about Ms. Monroe's chocolate milk mix, I probably wouldn't know what a real life looks like. Drmies (talk) 04:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

• Support Drmies getting a life. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
• Support the inclusion of this fascinating piece of trivia.--kelapstick (talk) 22:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saltine cracker challenge

Hi Drmies, at the AfD for Saltine cracker challenge you commented "Delete". I've since improved the article to the point where I think it will address your concerns. I'll appreciate it if you revisit your recommendation on the AfD and update it as you feel appropriate. Thanks, Melchoir (talk) 09:50, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Nathan James (DJ)

I have requested semi protection of this, as there is information there that is incorrect, and I also believ it is a personal attack on Nathan James from a former work colleague. He was asked to leave along with other presenters because of job cuts. Also, the court information was inorrect and too long.

• Which is why I reverted your fifteen edits, and then removed all offending information from the page. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Will this page be semi-protected? I have changed the layout slightly, hope its OK. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.251.5 (talk) 03:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

• I changed it back: you introduced a great amount of whitespace. I don't know if the page will be semi-protected--I looked at your request, and the article history, and I can't judge if the vandalism is serious enough for protection. Obviously that unsourced information should not be in the article, but I don't know if it's so serious that we can't handle it with normal editing means. Let's see what the administrators say; you might well get your way. Oh, I left you a template: don't forget to sign your name. Drmies (talk) 03:37, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

See the discussion page on Nathan's article, I have put a few comments on theere for you to read. There are a few things we need to discuss. Nothing essential, just bits that SHOULD and SHOULDN'T be mentioned. --80.47.251.5 (talk) 03:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi

See your "Not a two-way street?" section above. You are the guy that said that some of my sources were not reliable sources. I really want to make this article good, so if you could tell me which sources you think are reliable and which ones you don't think are reliable that would be great. Cheers.--Spoon Maniac (talk) 19:36, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

• Hey Spoon, thanks for asking. I will be glad to help; I don't doubt, for instance, the guy's notability. But be patient, since I have a few WP things and a few real things to do. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:14, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
  • I did a few things to Artis the Spoonman. The sources that were there, they were barely authoritative and at least one of them was dead. You need to look at WP:RS--and when you use a Google Search, for instance, use Google News and not the "regular" Google. I found some interesting notes, from the New York Times and some other sources. The other thing that the article needs, explicitly or not, is a clear timeline of the guy's career. That he is active since 1972 I did not learn from the article, and it also didn't tell me he had a heart attack in 2002. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 03:17, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Grand Hotel van Cleef

Herr Docktor, was ist das? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

• Your expertise might be helpful regarding Christina Billotte as well. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:28, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
• And finally... Edward Young Clarke article is up for deletion. This comment at the AfD is one of my favorites: "Not only is this plainly notable, but its nomination for deletion saps what little inclination I have left to contribute to an endeavour in which the inclusion of material such as this is disputed while the "ninth episode of the thirteenth season of the animated television series South Park" is considered notable enough for detailed treatment." I also think the inherent notability rule for Olympians is ridonkulous. I wanted to say "Uncle Eddie's article is up for deletion", but in these sensitive times that kind of wild sarcasm is too dangerous. I just watched Butte, America and I don't know if I will be abel to talk to Kelapstick ever again. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
• Okay, one more. Can someone named Jan Van Halen not be notable??? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Sure! Merge is the way to go. Drmies (talk) 19:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
• What do you make of Love Is No Game? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
• Which version is better [17]? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Both. I prefer Loremaster's "the act of" (for grammatical reasons) and your parentheses (for rhetorical reasons). Drmies (talk) 19:10, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

You have it half right, as usual. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:51, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Whoa, you don't even stand by your own edits anymore? And why did I do this work on Artis the Spoonman, when it is so directly up your alley? Drmies (talk) 03:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Why, does he own any restaurants? That section should be expanded. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:49, 28 October 2009

• Grand Hotel van Cleef lived! Aah, a lovely zen experience this has turned into for me. You might be curious about this[18] part of the process between the CSD removal and the AfD nomination. My faith in humanity is temporarily restored if counter-patrolling A7s for hours actually worked on something. ♪ DaTheisen(talk) 15:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

I understand. I've been scolded for a tag once and ribbed about another and each time it was more incentive to anti-patrol. Better yet, each time it let me passively absorb Administrator comments and knowledge for digestion, evaluation and later use :) ♪ daTheisen(talk) 19:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Drmies. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Grand Hotel van Cleef.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

New Message! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 04:12, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Did I forget to thank you? ..

Drmies ,Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed nearly unanimously with 174 in support, 2 in opposition and 1 neutral votes. Special thanks goes to RegentsPark, Samir and John Carter for their kind nomination and support. I am truly honored by the trust and confidence that the community has placed in me. I thank you for your kind inputs and I will be sincerely looking at the reasons that people opposed me so I can improve in those areas ( including my english ;) ). If you ever need anything please feel free to ask me and I would be happy to help you :). Have a great day ! -- Tinu Cherian - 06:02, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

You're on a roll

What about Crony Records? I'm sure K-stick will help translate if the language barrier causes difficulties. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

• Whoa, it's Canadian? Sorry, no can do. Drmies (talk) 21:26, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Pay attention

Hey Drmies, actually I was trying to improve the article. If you check the edit logs you'll see that, that page was already vandalized and they changes I made were an improvement. Why don't you harass the person that made the previous changes. Sleepersix (talk) 04:44, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

• Let's see. You were editing Paul Watson, and in this edit you replaced "Watson was born in fagville and is a douchbag" with "Watson was born." One could call that a minor improvement. However, in your next edit, you changed "He loves to take it in the ass!!!!" to "He loves to take it in the ass, but who doesn't." And you wish to tell me that that is an improvement? If you have a serious interest in improving the article, you would have removed that offensive statement, rather than adding a rather unverified remark to it. Your complaint that I should "harass" the "real" offenders is kind of specious: if you had done some fact checking, you would have seen that I did indeed issue a warning to that editor also. But thank you for your comment. Drmies (talk) 17:12, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Doc, please remember to AGF. ;) (Bama held steady at 6th in the LA times rankings...) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Are you saying I should assume good faith that everyone does like it in the ass? I can't believe I'm writing this, and I apologize to any young viewers. The LA Times? You mean this, by a guy who admits to taking a bribe of Skyline Chili to put Cincinatti in third place? Yeah, that's a real reliable source! Anyway, we have a week off, and you just wait and see the lickin' we'll put on LSU. Ha! Drmies (talk) 20:32, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

A {{fact}} template would have been preferable to insulting a hardworking editor. ^Bongo_matic 23:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought about that, but only for a split second. How's shakes, Bongo? Thanks for dropping by! Drmies (talk) 00:07, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately we can't rely on your personal experiences and original research about this subject. Speaking of which, even with a week off, Bama is going to have tough sledding against LSU. I have some good news though, Vince Young is starting again for the Titans. Of course going with someone who has a 17-10 record as a starter and won a national championship almost singlehandedly against a stacked USC, over someone who is 0-6 (or is it seven?) took a while, so they are out of contention until next year. Oh well. Oregon-USC should be a good game. I hope there will be a mighty quack attack worth honking about. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:08, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Carraway Methodist Medical Center

On October 30, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Carraway Methodist Medical Center, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

JamieS93 00:35, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Commentitos

The bus station hook looks pretty good. I probably would have tweaked it. :) And I'm not sure the sourcing for "the first time" bit is strong enough. But if you're comfortable rewriting history, I'll leave you to it. :) Maybe it's accurate. The Saltine Cracker challenge (Oct 22 nom) needs help! Given your interest in that subject I think your help would be much appreciated. Keep practicing and I know you'll be able to do it some day soon!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:52, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

• Well, thanks...? The good folks at DYK thought it was enough. But that reminds me to stick in an extra footnote. The Saltine Cracker Challenge--that doesn't need my help, 'tis a bit too "popular" for me, and any discussion that long over a hook will lose my interest. I did notice that you have been terribly delinquent from your duties at Artis the Spoonman; I'm disappointed. Oh, USC-Oregon, that's always a good game. I'm kind of a fan of all teams out west because they like their offense, and so do I. Did you see where Quack Attack redirects to? It's a crying shame, and you should fix it. Drmies (talk) 15:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Michele Weiner Davis

Hi I am a new editor at Wikipedia and my first project that I’ve taken on by accident it turned out to be is the contested deletion of the article Biography of Michele Weiner Davis that you had voted on back in September of last month. I had spoken to the editor Karanacs shortly after the article was recently deleted a second time because when I first contested the deletion when I came across her name in red letters in Wikipedia during my first week here as an user, another editor came along and just completed her Bio for me (See Graeme Bartlett (talk) remarks on my user talk page) but the article still failed to meet the standards for inclusion. I asked Karanacs if I could try and attempt to gather the needed references to try and make this right for inclusion and she said I could give it a go. Please take a look at the references I have put together for Michele W.D. to see if the article might be able to meet the inclusion standards now. I have omitted any personal information I have collected thus far until I see if this will be a go or not. Thank You for your time John Francis. Tinkermen (talk) 01:43, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

• I looked at the AfD again, and looked through a few things in your sandbox--which have not yet given me a reason to change my mind. But the proof will have to be in the pudding. Write the article, in your sandbox to begin with, and then we can see. Make sure you bolster your case with reference to meaningful discussion of the topic in reliable sources; thus, for instance, this does not add much to her notability, since it isn't significant discussion of the topic, only a mention. You might want to consult the resident patron saint of lost causes, User:ChildofMidnight. Good luck, and drop me a line when you have a draft ready for presentation, Drmies (talk) 02:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Milowent has the deleted article in his userspace. She seems notable to me. I have no idea what Drmies problem is with the subject. Perhaps he's just bitter that Bama has no offense? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:17, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I have this crazy affliction of wanting to play by the rules--WP:N, for instance. Drmies (talk) 03:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to take Michelle Weiner-Davis to AfD, but I suggest doing a Google News search first. I don't have a strong interest in marriage counseling, but she's been noted and her methods and books discussed in dozens and dozens of major media sources. What's on tap for the weekend Doc? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:03, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks. I'll have to read the manual carefully. .

First Baptist Church is a nice article. It has lots of interesting facts that would make great DYK hooks. If you can add a footnote at the end of the sentence, the bit about why it's called "Brick-a-Day Church" would be a good hook. Other good hooks would be giving sanctuary to the Freedom Riders and the conference call between King and the other leaders and Robert Kennedy. Just keep in mind that the sentence with the hook in it has to have a footnote at the end. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 03:43, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Did You Know problem

Hello! Your submission of First Baptist Church (Montgomery, Alabama) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! (Note: I always leave approvals to others.) Art LaPella (talk) 05:10, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks Art. I guess I should learn how to count. Drmies (talk) 17:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Ask for assist, and nice edits on a page!

Hi. Very nice additions to the Afrci.Amer,Civil Rights Movement template, good catches. I've had a problem with my add-ons because I don't know how to put the dots in-between the names, my keyboard doesn't seem to have an elevated dot key. Have tried many combinations and can't get it right. Could you tell me how it's done, probably quite easy but I can't figure out how to elevate the dot! Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 17:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for your note. The 'elevated dot' is {{·w}}, unless I'm mistaken; what I usually do if I don't know is look at the formatting and copy what seems to be a unit, then replace the term--that's what I did here. Happy editing! Drmies (talk) 17:39, 31 October 2009 (UTC)Thanks. Quick answer. The problem I have is typing the .W, does the formula you gave me elevate the . , I'll give it a try. Thanks again.Randy Kryn (talk) 17:51, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Didn't work, the problem was still how to type in the elevated dot. It's like a levitated period. I did place the template on Charles Steele's page. Have you played with Uncyclopedia, your sense of humor on your user page indicates you may like it. Any advice on what key to press for the el.dot?Thanks again, Randy Kryn (talk) 17:57, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
    • Sorry, I don't know. Why don't you just copy and paste? Drmies (talk) 18:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)Hi, there, up above, how did you type the .w, and get the dot to levitate. That's what I mean. If you could just point me to where on the keyboard I can get my dot to elevate. Thanks, and thanks for Steele, I've never heard of him and will study his page. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

blocked and blank?

Yummy. Try it with hot sauce.

Why did you leave this user's page blanked, rather than leaving the block notice up? tedder (talk) 20:27, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

• Well, first of all, I was mistaken--for some crazy reason I thought this was a blanking in article space, with "talk in article." But besides that, users, I thought, have the right to remove warnings, and it was pretty obvious that this editor did so on purpose; so I simply reverted my own mistake and let it be. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. AFAIK, users can remove warnings from their pages, but not blocks. WP:REMOVED doesn't explicitly say block notices should remain, but it does imply unblock notices and sockpuppet notices should, so I figure it should. I just didn't want to re-add if you'd done it for a specific reason. Cheers! tedder (talk) 02:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Gotcha. You know, on recent changes I see different things go by, and many, many users have been blocked and have to some point removed the notifications. But no, there was no specific reason. Thanks for asking though! Oh, a student of mine did a presentation on tractors the other day, and I was hoping there would be mention of a tedder, but no. And while we're on the topic--it's almost 9:30PM here. What are you doing? Drmies (talk) 02:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, on V-patrol it's easy to go with DUCK. No worries. Tractors- darn. It would have been cool, eh? No kids here, I'm in a weird area of Downtown Portland, they never buzz doors to get in, let alone come door to door. Never got them in the rough area of Seattle we lived in either. Huh. Apparently we don't appear kid-friendly :-) tedder (talk) 02:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

There wasn't much trick or treating here either compared to last year, though this is the kind of neighborhood where people drive to on Halloween night; we went to the neighbors very quickly for cider and other delights. He works for the National Cattlemen's Beef Association but is really a closet-porker. They were frying up donuts made out of biscuit dough, and when I suggested making some chicken fried bacon he was crazy enough to say yes. I gotta tell you, it is REALLY that good, even without the gravy. But I'm cured of fried foods for a couple of weeks now. Later! Drmies (talk) 03:01, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Where do you live? That sounds very tasty :-) tedder (talk) 03:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

A couple of miles from here. Seriously, the 'original' chicken fried bacon recipe calls for white gravy. I think that ought to sell in my state--and possibly in yours, where it's always cold and rainy and people must be, by definition, depressed. What could be better than some bacon to cheer a body up? BTW, we would have been neighbors--had Reed College hired me a couple of years ago. What a nice city you live in. Drmies (talk) 03:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

(mv left) Ah, yeah, that's the area I'd expect would have great food of that sort! We have Voodoo Doughnut, otherwise it tends to be vegan/vegetarian/local type food. It's tasty, but not sinful. Reed- certainly. Great place, I've heard! And it'd give you incentive to be active in WP:WPOR, which is a pretty amazing community.

We've only been here for ~2 years, though we both grew up around here. But we've always been west-coasters (Seattle, San Diego, etc.). That might change in ~8 months.. tedder (talk) 03:26, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

• Where you going? Drmies (talk) 05:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Med school for Mrs. Tedder. NYC, Boston, Chicago, in that order of preference. tedder (talk) 05:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

West coast offense

I hope you're watching so you can see what quarterback play and an offense looks like. And how is it that Bama needs another week off anyway? Didn't you already have byes with games against Florida International and North Texas? Three weeks off out of 8 games so far? What a joke. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

• I'm zapping back and forth, mainly watching Tennessee and South Carolina. Wow, Oregon is doing a great job! BTW, you can joke away, but Texas State and Air Force aren't exactly championship material either. And three weeks vacation out of eight, that's not even close to George Bush's average. Drmies (talk) 02:53, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I hope you aren't minimizing the importance of Bush's brush clearance work at the Western White House. I'm thinking Air Force would handle Chattanooga [19] (and the other chump teams you wimps pad into your schedule). If these are the kind of opponents that provide Bama with challenging opposition, I think your team should be redisgnated as WAC. But don't worry, I still have y'all just outside of the top ten, so there's still a good chance your team will make it to one of the lesser bowl games. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:57, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Such anger, such bad language. You must suffer from a lack of deep-fried bacon, unlike some other participants in this particular discussion. Drmies (talk) 04:13, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

When do we start anticipating the LSU game? Nick Saban has had a lot of time to prepare and he's a very accomplsihed coach, so that's a big advantage. But how is he going to get around the fact that his team lacks a quarterback. :) And it will be the first legitimate opposition Alabama has faced this season. Will they be ready? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Where else but in LA would the SEC fail to get the proper respect? BTW, I was nice enough not to place a linkrot tag on Jack E. Anderson. Now get those templates going! Drmies (talk) 05:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

While I don't follow many sports, I'm very disappointed that you removed your nudge towards me. I kinda liked getting roped into this :-) tedder (talk) 05:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, but you should stay away from CoM. He is bad news. Knows a lot about oriental and fried food, but very little about punctuation. I have an alarm that goes off when an edit summary of his says "tweak" on an article I've been involved with--it means I have to go clean up after him. *Sigh* But the bottomline is this: he's dumping on Alabama Crimson Tide football, and that cannot be. Did you not watch Oregon tonight? Drmies (talk) 05:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

If we can't rely on Road Trip America, the Historical marker data base and the Iron Range Tourism Bureau, who can we rely on? Tedder must be a Beaver fan. Thus his pair of massive buck teeth and being all wet. :) Actually it was nice to see them humiliate UCLA, (a team that throttled Tennessee? which is a team that Alabama struggled mightily against? thus demonstrating the sorry state of the SEC, a.k.a the bush league of 2009 with the possible exception of Florida.) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

How do those sour grapes taste, CoM? (running) tedder (talk) 05:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm not worried tedder. Bama can't hide forever. They still have to get through LSU, Auburn, and Florida. And it's hard to forget how they fared against Utah's squad in a bowl game last year (and that was while they still had a quarterback). There's nothing wrong with being equivalent to a mid-level WAC team. It's just my abiding generosity that has me hoping to save the Tide and its adoring fans from further humiliation. It just doesn't seem right that the silliness of the BCS has set them up on a precipice for such a mighty fall. Motor City Bowl is something worth hoping for! ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Can I revert this [20] nonsense or is that how Europeans write? ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:33, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

• Revert it and you lose the wikilinks also. But no, that is not necessarily how Europeans write. Keep in mind though that someone might go through your edits (and mine) and ask if that is how Americans write. And yes, I am up already, and have been for a while. You should start being more sympathetic. Drmies (talk) 12:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Most Americans don't even write as well as I do. Sad I know. Where are the teachers Doc??? Maybe if they didn't spend so much time trying to advocate preposterous comma usages there would be more time to teach basic grammar and communication? Hey have a good one. Did you get any tasty candies? Are there any interesting types unique to your region? I'm surprised there aren't more start-ups and innovation in candy manufacture. I was just reflecting on how those MRE type boil in a bag meal packages come from Asia offering all sorts of meals, but our foods are still in primitive packaging (and microwaveable servers). Anyway, I think I'm grumpy this morning. Watching Oregon bash USC took a lot out of me. And now the Jack Anderson photos are getting deleted because someone is claiming that photos of outdoor sculptures violate copyright laws. I find this position to be ridiculous. Is there a suggestion that a photograph of an outdoor sculpture recreates the sculpture itself? Anyway, it's sunny here, so I'm sure I'll feel better after I get some sunshine on the beach and a Jamba Juice. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I have been teaching those Americans for a decade and a half now. Don't blame me. I saw that discussion about the photos. Interesting. I added a note to Calmer Waters's talk--but possibly the difference is that Moore was British, and that such a copyright exemption does exist in the UK. It sure sucks.

No, there is no specific candy here, as far as I know. Making and eating chicken fried bacon, though, was a trip, and sweet enough for me. Downtown is a pecan-cracking place where they sell pecan candy (seasonally) and such things as brittle; pecans though aren't really specific to the south, are they? I'll send you some if you like; I often get those things as gifts for foreign visitors. Pretty tasty! Take care, and I hope you cheer up soon. Drmies (talk) 19:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I know you have Doc, that may be a big part of the problem. ;) Thanks for your nice message. I apologize for being grumpy and overly sarcastic (beyond even my usual intensity). Where are the new chicken fried bacon photos? Pecans are definitely associated with the Southeast and Georgia in particular. Alabama is more well known for its fricasseed terrapin. :) Thanks again for cheering me up. I hope you and your family are well and enjoying the run-up to Thanksgiving and the Holiday season. Ho Ho Ho! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Greyhound Bus Station (Montgomery, Alabama)

On November 2, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Greyhound Bus Station (Montgomery, Alabama), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

SoWhy 01:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Mary Beth Buchanan

The anon IP has archived this page in a very strange way. In addition, they have also edited the archived material. Their edit was slight and I have no opnion on its taking place, but aren't archived discussions to be left in their original form? This is a screwy case and I don't know if it's worth taking further. Your opinion would be appreciated. Thanks Tiderolls 02:09, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• Tide, I don't think one is supposed to change archived material. And screwy it is, yes. I think this IP is disruptive, to say the least, and their changes should be reverted. Drmies (talk) 02:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
  • The error was slight. Of course, the IP could have had the courtesy of providing an edit summary--that was probably too much to ask. Thanks Tide, Drmies (talk) 03:13, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

There were no changes to the archives. I move the information over completely; however there was a slight error in a header which was corrected. Please stop reverting the edits to the page that are within the guidelines. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.215.5.92 (talk) 03:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• You have yet to explain why this relatively short talk page needs to be archived. Your edits are disruptive; you clearly have no consensus for your actions, and the messages you have left on the talk page and on various user talk pages, including mine, appear disingenuous to me. I have explained my reversal of your actions on your talk page; please read that explanation carefully and act accordingly, or risk a more serious warning. And while we're on the topic: will you please start signing your username? Drmies (talk) 03:04, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

My changes are per Wiki Policy. Please stop your actions now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.215.5.92 (talk) 03:08, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• So are mine. I have reported you for your disruptive actions. And next time you leave a message here without even the courtesy of signing your name I will remove it immediately. Wikipedia policy also includes having proper manners. Drmies (talk) 03:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I got a warning for the IP... amusing. Thanks for your help in resolving this & could you keep an eye on this article in case he comes back to try something like this again? I'll watch the article too. Netalarmtrick or treat! 03:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow, you got a warning! For being aggressive and threatening in nature? The IP has a name also; see the bottom of Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests. That named person left a message here also, which I removed since they can't do me the courtesy of signing their name. Thanks for your help! Drmies (talk) 03:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Nice. You have any idea on how to clean up his archive attempt? The contents overlap and he seems to have archived the most recent discussions instead of the oldest ones. Netalarmtrick or treat! 04:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Eh, are you aggressively threatening me, with your "greeting"??? I reverted their last attempt, and I think we're back to square one--of course, their 'discussion points' (which were moot, and spoke, for instance, of additions that were never made) were lost in the fray. If they ever get unblocked they are free to re-add them. Thanks Net, and don't eat too much candy, Drmies (talk) 04:15, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!

I always appreciate praise. Thank you. :) --User:Woohookitty ^{Disamming fool!} 06:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Euthanasia in the Netherlands

No need to thank me. :¬) I do need some help in reverting a non-English speaking vandal on that page as well as Involuntary euthanasia. Would be much appreciated. This vandal is a bad one, very determined ... see the history of the Action T4 talk page to see how bad he can be. Ugh. ► RATEL ◄ 09:11, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• Hmm, indeed. I read up on the matter, on the talk pages and the articles. I don't know if there is a lot I can do there, but I will certainly keep my eyes open. There does come a moment when such language issues become disruptive, especially in a delicate matter where wording is of the greatest importance. Thanks for your note, Drmies (talk) 15:55, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Important article contributions

Doc, you'll be pleased to know that Kelapstick and I are both mentioned in Andrew Dalby's just released book about Wikipedia (see: User:Andrew Dalby/The World and Wikipedia/Editors whose work is mentioned in the book). If you want some suggestions on important and high profile article work that might get you into the sequel, please let me know. And given your near miss with Reed College and your being a big fan of the Samuel Coleridge, you might be interested in the latest kerfluffle over admins bragging about their drug use while editing Wikipedia. Is it true that instead of eating candy you made brownies for Halloween? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:10, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Fascinating, I am interested in what context I am mentioned in.--kelapstick (talk) 18:16, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

You could ask him. He's a Wikipedia editor (user:Andrew Dalby). I suspect it's food related. He has written on food history previously and seems very taken with our bacon related exploits. He is somewhat discriminating though, and doesn't seem to care much for Dutch variants on the bacon meme ;) My head is swelling so much that I fear I will soon need a neck brace. Maybe I should start a web blog? :) Or my own Wikipedia article... did you see the draft I started in a discussion on my talk page? I was counting on you guys for good faith additions and clarifications! Please make sure to maintain NPOV. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:34, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Well I left a note about his use of the book cover in a userspace article, I want to make sure it is worth buying the book, if all it says about me is I spell poorly and use improper grammer grammar, than then I am not going to spend the money :D.--kelapstick (talk) 18:36, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't it be "then I am not going to spend the money? ;) I was in a bad mood yesterday, but giving Doc a hard time is really cheering me up! ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:39, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Exactly my point!--kelapstick (talk) 18:41, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Huh, I'm on that list as well, with my previous username. Curious. LadyofShalott 01:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

<--And I'm not (despite all my bacon work, and I actually deepfried it!)--what have you done, Lady, to warrant inclusion? Or are you on there for being your lovely and hardworking self? I know what CoM did to get that nod--casting dispersion on his duly elected president on a talk page. And CoM, you know how it is with us liberals: we always feel like we can improve others' lives, so I'm glad to be able to help you. Drmies (talk) 03:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm most curious to find out what mention I have merited (or dismerited, probably to make up a word), but the book is apparently on backorder with the publisher. The one thing I might have guessed seems extremely unlikely based on the lack of certain other names on the list. LadyofShalott 03:46, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Doc, I do appreciate all your help. I'm sure that if you stick with Wikipedia and keep working at it, eventually you'll add something worthwhile and noteworthy. Just go easy on the "dispersions" would you? :) You seem a little grumpy this evening. Get some sleep. We'll talk more tomorrow afternoon when you wake up. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

As it turns out, I was mentioned in passing for this edit to bacon mania (one of the cabals most important articles), adding a category to the page, and removing the {{uncategorized}} template. The section of the book was sort of a case study of how a Wikipedia article gets started. Not sure about LadyofShallot though, that was post username change for you....

Does this combined in the article I was mentioned in the Thompson Citizen and the controversy of my turning down the position of parade judge in Yerington, mean that I pass the GNG now, I can just see my article.

Kelapstick is a Wikipedia editor most known for categorizing the article bacon mania, driving home drunk people and his dislike of parades.--kelapstick (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't mean to nitpick, but you left out pillaging. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I can't believe this discussion is taking place on MY talk page--and I'm the only one who's not actually in this book. Pff. BTW, CoM, you'll be pleased to know that I left a message on Chillum's talk page, using the same image that I initially placed on the Seed swap article (removed by some editor, out of prudishness or some concern for "relevance"--relevance schmelevance!). I'd ask our library to order that book, but the budget has been cut, and if we want new books we have to write them ourselves and then ask the publisher for a desk copy. Drmies (talk) 05:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion

There is a vigorous discussion about some obscure literary trope here Wikipedia:Content noticeboard#Genre classification of Epic that might interest you. Your extraordinary dispute resolution skills will no doubt satisfy all concerned. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

• Skills? Block first, ask questions later, possibly, that's my motto. Drmies (talk) 00:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Get Lady of Shallots and K-stick to nominate you already. That is exactly the approach we're looking for in Wikipedia Admins. Well, that and some illegal drug and alcohol abuse. And two out of three isn't far off. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Whenever Drmies is ready to run the gauntlet I am ready to nominate him. Or maybe I should just spring it on him, because that is the most fun way to do it :D.--kelapstick (talk) 22:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

And CoM, who is Lady of Shallots? --kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• • It's kind of a useless discussion, I've discovered. Next step, all participants start insulting each other, not just the scholars they don't like. But thanks for notifying me! Drmies (talk) 05:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that. I actually saw it was getting out of hand as I was trying to work up a proper link to it. I'll try and make it up to you. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:13, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your extremely patient review of R. K. Narayan. Also, special appreciation for making it a good article and not just a Good Article! cheers. -SpacemanSpiff 04:51, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• You're welcome, Spiff. It was a pleasure working with you. But don't ask me about that cricket stuff, you hear? Drmies (talk) 05:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Pyroluria

If you disagree with my attempts to improve the page on orthomolecular phyciatry then I suggest you try to improve it yourself. The page is severely biased and while my edit may have been biased as well the amount of space spent on disproving pyroluria and other orthomolecular medical conditions is unnecessary.

It's true that mainstream medicine doesn't accept pyroluria as real, but it is also true that people have been cured of their symptoms when they underwent orthomolecular treatment processes. There is a natural balance that must be acheive by someone without a srong bias. i.e. somone who doesn't think it exists or doesn't. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.129.189.9 (talk) 05:20, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• Thank you for your suggestion, but I don't even rightly know what you're talking about--what I do know is that you removed valid, referenced information and restated phrases in a way that makes possibly theory sound like established fact. My bias is WP:V, and my natural leaning is to take WP:RS for gospel truth. Drmies (talk) 15:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• I understand that it's still a theory, but I think there should be informaation on the theory and not just a whole bunch of referenced information stating that it isn't real. it should the symptomns hypothothised should be mentioned, as well as the fact that people have been cured of those symptoms with orthomolecular treatment. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.128.160.165 (talk) 17:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Rather than remove what's there you might be well served to find reliable sources with content that you want to add. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:30, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Not a good way to get in the next book

This one is nice--but it's not a 1976 bicentennial special edition!

Using sock accounts to make edits like this one [21] is not helpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:28, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, I was having a bad moment. How do you like my attempt at writing not like me? Drmies (talk) 17:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

It's a big election day today Doc. Have you come around to support the independent, citizen candidate Doug Hoffman yet? :) Or are you still mired in the misanthropy of big government idealism? I haven't actually followed that race closely, so I have no idea what it's all about, but the Republican candidate dropping out and endorsing the democrat does support the argument that she was not very Republican and (perhaps?) that Hoffman is rather conservative. Any predictions on the NJ and Virginia races? Are there other significant positions up for grabs? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Don't have a clue, CoM. Haven't followed it. The new administration didn't start with nationalizing anything so I gave up quickly. I have begun my own program of wealth distribution; I'm borrowing my neighbor's guitars with no intention of bringing them back. Drmies (talk) 00:01, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Obviously you're not talking about the U.S. administration which has taken charge of executive decisions regarding the auto companies (and continues to maintain a stake in the nation's largest automobile manufacturer) as well as the biggest banks, energy production and supplies, health care, education, the media, and the arts. Hey did you ever see my comments on the Confederate Motor Company? Isn't that based near where you are? The name seems kind of unfortunate (although I suppose we can all be thankful it's not called "War of Northern Aggression Motorworks"?). I saw your amp company too. Business is really booming down there where diversity, American values, and BBQ reign supreme. Now if we could just get y'all up to speed on passing offenses, city life, and thin crust pizza. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Diversity? Have you ever been here? And I'm not holding my breath for a government takeover of health care. Suggesting that the government actually has something to say right now in the field of health care is a bit silly, and you know it. Maybe you should have a kid, or be on birth control, or have an auto-immune disease (our household has all of that), and you'll see how much power those greedy bastard insurance companies wield. All that whining about "socialist(ic) health care," my ass--I'm paying out the wazoo, not getting much in return, and our nation's health is terrible. But let's drop the topic; I'm actually not in the mood for joking on this matter. I'll have a look at your motor company. I did read that some Chinese company had plans to build a plant here that would make hybrid engines. Kia and Hyundai have brought a lot of jobs here, that's a fact, and Hyundai workers are back to working full-time since last month or so. Well. I got some epics to write, so I'll see you around. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Dearest Doc, I know you're already shocked that Democratic New Jersey threw out its Democratic billionaire Wall Street governor, but most of the Health Care system in the United States is controlled, regulated and operated under close government control and government agencies. They set the fees and reimbursements, decide what drugs and treatments are legal and reimbursed, and control the licensing of educational institutions and training requirements. Have you not heard of Medicare, Medicaid, and SSI? And those are just the federal entities, there's also state departments of health, OSHA, and licensing boards. Are you sure you live here in this country? I'm beginning to wonder. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:47, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

<--That doctors are licensed and drugs are controlled, that should go without saying. My degree is licensed as well. Surely not even libertarians would argue that doctors don't need licenses. And I don't have anything to do with Medicare and Medicaid--though it's pretty obvious that a lot of what governs those programs was written by a Republican Congress and signed by a Republican president with the intent to make insurance and medical companies richer. I'm not shocked about New Jersey or anything else, no. Find me someone in the US who is pleased with their government, local or federal. And yet we all agree that we live in the greatest country in the world--though we all also agree that our laws are full of pork, our elected officials are corrupt, and our judges "activist." You're wasting your time trying to talk your sense into me. Your time is better spent deep-frying bacon. I made chicken enchiladas tonight and substituted bacon (which I had) for caramelized onions (which I didn't have); you ought to be proud of me. Drmies (talk) 05:19, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

And here I thought the medicare drug benefit was passed to keep medications affordable for seniors. You sound very conservative opposing those benefits for our elders Doc. The greatest generation and all. There are a lot of people on the government dole that are counting on you Doc. And I would think you of all people would appreciate the giant subsidies we provide for Europe's pharmaceutical companies. My preference would be for free and fair trade whereby they would be made to sell their products here at the same rates they charge at home ;) And surely you think all the cheap generic drugs once the patents expire are a wonderful thing. And yet media copyrights were just extended so Pooh and other profit generators for the liberal Hollywood elite will keep pouring in the dough long after the creators are dead and buried. Why the double standard? People who spend their lives curing disease should live a life of poverty while your buddies at Time Warner rake in the profits from intellectual property they didn't create? The most important thing to remember is that I love you. And no matter how misguided your politics, I will always be here to give you a hard time. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:59, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll only respond to your first sentence, since it's bedime: you really thought that? Come oooooon... Oh, I love you too, of course, like a brother, of course. And if I had "buddies" at Time Warner, I wouldn't have to sit here figuring out how I am going to pay for my new lenses. And they're from WalMart! Happy trails, Drmies (talk) 06:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Notability question

I see you added a general notability guideline tag to my recent article on Jake Warga. Before researching and writing the article, I carefully read Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons and feel this is a notable subject and worthy article. I wrote it because I've heard Mr. Warga on the radio dozens of times and thought others might like to know about him. Can you please explain a little further why you don't think Mr. Warga is a notable subject? I figure that having one's work picked up by NPR, PRI and the BBC (don't think I specifically mentioned that) makes them pretty notable. I assume a popular author would be considered notable if his/her books were widely read. In the world of public radio, you can't really be more widely read (heard) than on NPR et al.

Thanks.

George R. Brumder (talk) 07:41, 4 November 2009 (UTC)