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Introduction

This is my user talk page. If you would like to add something here, be my guest. Daniel Grünfeld (talk) 16:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Neoclassical

The Kohanov definition may be applied to any form of neoclassical contemporary music, whether it be neoclassical new age, neoclassical dark wave, or neoclassical ambient.

Yes, the Kohanov definition is large and vague enough to be used to refer to any other neoclassical popular genres. But in the context of this article, it refers to New Age neoclassical music exclusively. This makes the use of this source irrelevant (see the category New age of the article, see the list of top artists: no one of them is a darkwave artist)

Anyway understand I have nothing against the content itself, but only the irrelevant use of this source.

Take the reference out if you wish, but you have left the definition itself in, so that is now technically speaking plagiarism, because I have quoted Kohanov verbatim. If you remove the entire quote, please be sure render the remaining text readable and understandable.

Done, but feel free to arrange it if you need.

It is quite clear that the contemporary neoclassical style which is used in dark wave and ambient as well as in new age, originated with new age music back in the mid-1970's. This has been carefully made clear in the article itself. Neoclassical dark wave did not just spring up by itself. Thanks.

No offense, but it's not that clear for me that neoclassical darkwave originated with New Age. Look, I know you don't particularly like gothic music and darkwave, and you would rather see neoclassical darkwave as not being associated in any way with them, but the thing is NC darkwave descends from Darkwave, which descends from goth rock, which descends from Post-punk. Now Post-punk is no new-age music. Because aesthetic approach of neoclassical new age converge with NC darkave doesn't mean they descend from the same genre.Fred D.Hunter (talk) 17:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I also disagree with the use of 'contemporary classical' as a synonymous to neo-classical darkwave. No matter what the source may say, this is a misconception to use this term here. And this a common misconception you find among popular music fans who ignore the world of accademic music. Actually the term "contemporary classical music" is already used for a long time to refer to the most modernist and experimental form of classical music (in the accademic sense) and it absolutely nothing to do with neoclassical darkwave: See here

Fred D.Hunter(talk) 17:48, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words. But you know, mate, Wikipedia is also a matter of consensus in terms of collaboration, so your voice counts as well. I'm not a dictator. I may disagree with you with respect to some aspects of the article, but I'm still open to dialogue. Besides I think your knowledge can bring a lot to this subject. For example, I came to know a nice band from my own country (Collection d'Arnell-Andrea that is )I was completely unaware of before whereas it really seems to have a certain notability within the genre. Beside you're a fan of this genre, so you definitely have knowledge to bring here, man. This is just that I'm bit exigent in terms of sources, relevance and musicological precision. But I'm not here to impose my own views. Anyway greetings!Fred D.Hunter (talk) 19:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)