User talk:Djanga/Archive 1

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G'day mate. Hesperian 12:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

What an odd person. Hello. Maneur (talk) 12:23, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Uh, okay. Hesperian 12:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Hello. Cheers for the contributions. cygnis insignis 13:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Mooo too SatuSuro 22:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome guys. Maneur (talk) 23:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I have 58 pages on my watchlist, so don't expect much activity from these parts. Maneur (talk) 00:00, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Well at least they (the parts) are in working order SatuSuro 03:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

You didn't globalise your account? Your wikisource edits are still coming up under the old name. Hesperian 12:11, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

I'll sacrifice those two edits. I see there's also a fr:Utilisateur:Djanga which account I suppose I could ask to usurp. Should I bother? Djanga (talk) 00:36, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Apparently fixed. Djanga (talk) 00:21, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Talkback

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StarM 07:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Copyediting

Just thought I'd salute your work in copyediting on various topics on my watchlist, including two I brought to the attention of the project talk page. Thanks and keep up the excellent work! Orderinchaos 23:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

No worries mate and same back at ya'. Djanga (talk) 00:03, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: History merge and rename needed

Hi Djanga, OK I'll check it out. You'll know when I'm fixing the pages up because I'll probably totally ruin your watchlist. :-) Graham87 07:30, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, it seems like I can't do a proper history merge because of this edit - there would be overlapping histories. I'll move the page though. Graham87 07:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

No worries. I'm still thinking about what to do with the talk page - there is a deleted talk page with different content to the current one. Graham87 07:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, it's what I normally do in situations like that - I found other admins doing it and just copied them. :-) Graham87 08:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Gibb River Road

Hi! Just curious if you'd like to have an eye at these contributions. I think it's Gibb River Road under yet another name, adding some of the same links. Unfortunately my on wiki time is limited during the week and I can't work with the new user. Can you help him/her? I'm also going to let SatuSuro know. StarM 03:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you're right and agree with your reversions. I'll post him/her some warnings. Djanga 04:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I agree as well - it seems some eds dont get the message :( SatuSuro 05:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you both for helping out. And Djanga, thanks for clarifying. I was just about to leave you a note to ask because I was confused between the two sets of coords in the article and wasn't sure which was correct - but that they should match. StarM 04:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: His Majesty's

Thanks. :) - Mark 10:40, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Map

Is brilliant! SatuSuro 05:48, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Its not bad for my first serious attempt at Inkscape hey!. I need someone to tell me about text and font sizes. Inkscape seem to do some odd things when rendering certain fonts. Djanga 06:36, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Very nice indeed. If I may humbly suggest an area for improvement: when I started fooling around with making Inkscape maps, I did a good deal of reading around the conventions of cartographic design. Having thought through how the conventions apply to our specific case (i.e. SVG maps on Wikipedia), I stored some notes here for furture reference; I think some of the typography stuff might be of interest to you. For example,

• Generally, hydrographic, landform and other natural features are labelled in italics, whereas features created by humans are labelled in Roman.
• Text should be entirely on land or entirely on water.
• The names of a linear feature should run alongside that feature. They are lightly better above than below.

Hesperian 04:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks so much for that. I've been looking around for ages for a map design primer and that fits the bill perfectly. Most I'd seen are tldr. :( Djanga 05:57, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Red Links

Thankyou for your contributions to this encyclopedia. Please do not add red wiki links to articles as you did to York Park. I agree that the article should be made, but please only use wiki links if there is an article to link to, cheers, Aaroncrick^{(Tassie talk)} 04:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't follow your logic. A redlink tells us that a article does not exist. If you believe that the article should exist then that's 2 reasons to leave the link there. Why remove it? Refer WP:REDLINK—redlinks are your friend. Djanga 05:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

How bizarre is that? Is that what they're telling newbies now? Hesperian 05:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Looks like I've made a mistake here, my apologies. I've always thought that links shouldn't be used in article unless there is an article to wikilink it to. Looks like I was wrong, Aaroncrick^{(Tassie talk)} 05:22, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

It is a reasonably common misconception, though unusual to see it in as experienced an editor as you. Never mind. Hesperian 05:24, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh well, keep up your good work. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie talk)} 05:27, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Gawd the tasmanian minnow talking like that to the sandgroper giants - its like I've seen everything now SatuSuro 05:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Well you've now seen the day. Aaroncrick^{(Tassie talk)} 05:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Hope this might be a clue

O'Grady, John, 1907- Title It's your shout, mate : Aussie pubs and Aussie beers Illustrated by Benier. Sydney : Ure Smith, 1972. 2nd Fl, Tec Stack 647.949 OGR Descript'n 103p : ill ; 21cm. ISBN 0725400935 0725403977 (pbk.)

There is an outside chance i have a copy, even more outside that i can find it :( SatuSuro 12:44, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

The J'O'K article looks like it needs a good cleanup too - thinking of the same term :( SatuSuro 13:09, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I recently reread They're a Wierd Mob and it got me thinking. I found this great webpage.

Yeah, English is a bastard of a language
  I think Australian is a bastard of language
He laughed, You're learning already. Your turn.
  What is my turn?
Your turn to shout
  Why should I shout?
Because I shouted you
  I did not hear you shout at me
He thought for a while and said, I get ut. When you buy a bloke a beer, it's called a shout, see?
  Why is that?
I haven't a clue, but that's what it's called. I shouted for you, now it's your turn to shout for me.
  I was only a little thirsty. I do not think I wish another drink.
He looked quite stern, In this country, if you want to keep out of trouble, you always return a shout, see?
  Is this the custom?
Bloody oath, it's the custom. Your turn.

There's tons of stuff around for a really interesting article.

Someone should take J'O'K to FA IMO. Djanga 23:51, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Brilliant. But if we all read it I fear our next meetup will be very long and very alcoholic. Hesperian 00:15, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

that sounds like a challenge in the wind.... Gnangarra 02:03, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

See Round of drinks. Beaten again. Djanga 01:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

given the current photo in use we should for the betterment of WP we should partake in a couple round just to have a set images showing a collective round arriving at the table and a suitable collection of empties to indicate prior rounds... Gnangarra 02:08, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I was tempted to tag it with {{globalize/UK}}, but a better solution is to do the responsible thing as you have suggested. As a past boss often said to me: "If you're not part of the solution, then your part of the problem". Djanga 02:17, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I wouldnt let round of drinks lessen the appetite for someone to establish an article for the australian context - it is hardly what i would call an adequate article SatuSuro 02:22, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

I thought this might interest you.

In an 1830 article on the botany of Swan River, Brown states

"Mesembryanthemum æquilaterale is neither contained in the herbarium, nor mentioned by the collector. I find, however, in one of the letters from Swan River, published by Mr. Cross, a plant noticed as a pot-herb, that, from the account of the writer, is probably this plant...."

"Mr. Cross" is Joseph Cross, who published lots of Australia-related material around this time. But I can't figure out what are these letters he is said to have published. Anyhow, while I was searching I found this. Hesperian 06:00, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Is Mesembryanthemum æquilaterale the same as Carpobrotus aequilaterus (pigface)? Is this an obtuse way of asking me to do some proofreading? And of course, I am happy to do so. Have you ever seen Barryman, Ian (2002). Swan River Letters. ISBN 0975991205.? Its on my shelf and I'll check it tonight to see if there's anything related to Mr Cross in there. Djanga 07:08, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Nope, nothing re Cross there, but I did find this which was put together a few years after Hints. Other than that I can't help you. Djanga 09:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes.[1]

No, I don't go in for that crap. If I wanted you to do some proofreading, I would ask. And take no for an answer. This was just me passing you something that I thought might interest you.

BTW, the content of those pages is OCR text that I uploaded with a semi-automatic script. All in all, if represents about ten minutes' effort. I would never ask you to invest more effort in something than I've invested myself.

Yep, I'm aware of Journals of Several Expeditions; it is the source of best providence for several explorers' journals that I have already transcribed.

Hesperian 10:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I know you don't and I'm sure that you know that I know you don't. I happen to have an evening free of dependants, so may try to get my edit count ticking over. Djanga 11:40, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I was starting to wonder whether you knew that I know you know I don't. But now I know. Go hard, party dude. Hesperian 11:53, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Yay for OCR! Djanga 11:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

And yay for you. I wasn't going to touch this (the pledge, remember?), but since you went and proofed it, I went and validated it. Pages now transcluded at Wikisource:Hints on emigration to the new settlement on the Swan and Canning Rivers, on the west coast of Australia. Pleasure working with ya, as always. Hesperian 14:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

OK

Thats either a shout or two (sic) or meal I owes ya - a reall humdinger that one please feel free to exterminate the incriminating redirect and or incorrect info SatuSuro 12:54, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

No worries. Replied on WP:WA. Djanga 13:16, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I actually think the sandbanks need a good art as they are actually in Cockburn Sound near where the new proposed outer port is being planned - they (the port planners and the sand miners) caused great angst (and still do for locals in both warnbro and cockburn sounds) as the shore drift that has been buggered by the causeway to garden island is also the reason that the planned megapollis of north mole at freo will destroy metro beaches north of it as certain as the sun rises :( SatuSuro 13:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Mmmm. Coogee redevelopment. Badly needs a cartographer too. Djanga 13:51, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Oh hell now i find some uncited stuff of mine at cockburn sound - I think Im heading off to a stiff drink and a quiet night soon :( SatuSuro 13:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I found the ultimate map for it - cannot scan it tonight - will try tommorow night - makes the two banks as natural boundaries between the sound and the roads :) SatuSuro 12:35, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Gibb River Road/Mt.Hart

Our buddy is back but this time started a discussion here. Feel free to chime in. StarM 13:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Gawd

You start wandering into the trpoical climes (sic) - there is no way out SatuSuro 04:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Its not the only place. Djanga 04:24, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

For getting stuck in a dark tunnel? hmmm SatuSuro 04:29, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lake_Pinatubo - well at least the

Phillipines project looks a hell of a lot worse than http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Indonesia/Cleanup_listing - at least the indonesian project would not cause me to wake up in the middle of the night screaming by comparison :) SatuSuro 04:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm

So much for that - it will need to go on the australian and indonesian lists for deletion btw - i dont agree with glebesam or you on this but I am too hot and tired to bother - cheers SatuSuro 06:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

OK. What part of Wikipedia:Notability (films) do you think it fits? Have a swim mate ;). Djanga 06:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Nothing to do with films for a start - In particular conspiracy theories about the dark side of indonesian australian relations are a valid topic - regardless of context or limited range of items - but I gotta go - some other time ;) SatuSuro 07:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

dark side? like Australian Special Forces fighting the TNI in Kalimantan as proxies for the British backers of Malaysia? Cheers, Jack Merridew 07:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I was speaking with one of them about 10 years ago and the OZ government at that stage hadnt even acknowledged that they were stationed there at that stage - not sure the current status SatuSuro 09:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Re the location of post afd trimmed material - possibly as a section in the indonesian australian relations article with qualifier re the potential 'conspiracy theory' aspect - SatuSuro 09:23, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Your rollback request

Hello Djanga, I have granted your account rollback in accordance with your request. Please remember that rollback is for reverting vandalism/spam, and that misuse of the tool, either by revert-warring with other users, or simply reverting edits you disagree with, can lead to it being removed. For practice, you may wish to see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback. Good luck. Acalamari 02:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Djanga 02:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Heheh been there done that eh? SatuSuro 02:39, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

It must be frustrating no having all the admin tools! I'm sure you'll need the practice ;) Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 09:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

In a few respects yes, in others not frustrating at all, quite the opposite. Djanga 13:52, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Rottnest

Going to Rotto on Friday for a few days. Sing out if any photo requests. Djanga 03:01, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Heritage Council of Western Australia website => Places Database => Quick Search => Local Govt: Rottnest => Search. Whatever is near enough and interesting enough for you to be bothered. If you shoot Fairbridge Bluff or Mount Herschell Quarry, I'll make stubs. Hesperian 03:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I was already going to look at Mt Heschell, but don't know exactly where the quarry is. Any ideas? Djanga 05:11, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

On the side of the lakes - via the road between the hotel and the middle lighthouse on the right hand side from memory I think I might have photos from there from the 1960's (if i ever could find them :( SatuSuro 05:14, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

"About 1ha, Geordie Bay Road, northern side of Rottnest Island, 1.3km west of the Thomson Bay settlement, comprising a square bounded by AMG coordinates 360600E 6458900N; 360700E 6458900N; 360700E 6459000N; 360600E 6459000N."[2] Hesperian 05:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

OK so i got it rong - also - http://www.scribd.com/doc/12898302/Rottnest-Island-Lake-Herschell SatuSuro 05:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Thats as clear as mud. Try fixing my coords at /Sandbox 2

What, you mean you can't compute Redfearn's Formula in your head? Shame on you. You had better make friends with Geoscience Australia. Hesperian 05:47, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

tldr; better things to do. Djanga 05:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Righto; my coordinate "fix" puts Google Maps at a ludicrous location. I find such occurrences not uncommon. :-( Hesperian 05:56, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Bah just a good plain old rottnest map should do :) SatuSuro 07:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Paul Weavers photo says more than maps coords - http://picasaweb.google.com/thebodgie/RottnestIslandOctober2008#5272713758862918018 SatuSuro 07:13, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

I got some nice photos of a site which may or may not be MHQ. It was at 31°59.686′S 115°31.584′E, per GoogleEarth. From the air it just looks like a small dried up lake bed but the edges were caked with seashells and so it seemed a bit odd and out of place. Most likely I was off the mark completely and in hindsight 31°59.681′S 115°31.267′E may have been a more likely candidate. There was no signage and noone I spoke to knew what I was talking about. Anyway I'll try to get to uploading a few bits and pieces in the next day or so. I got plenty of FB but for the life of me cannot see the significance of the site-it just seemed like one of thousands of limestoney outcrops along the coast. Djanga 23:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks; hope you enjoyed yourself.

Re: MHQ: that location sounds reasonable to me; the place is defined as "an important Quaternary sea level marker of international significance... a Holocene shell bed... believed to have been deposited in subtidal to intertidal environments when the salt lakes formed lagoonal arms of the sea."

Re: FB: that's because you don't know the difference between Tamala Limestone and Rottnest Limestone (me neither). FB is "the type section and only outcrop of Rottnest Limestone in the Perth area" and "provides good evidence for a Pleistocene sea level at least 3m higher than at present."

Yeah, meh. Hesperian 13:49, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Meh indeed. Commonist is doing its thing now. Djanga 13:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

looks good

http://henrietta.liswa.wa.gov.au/search/X?SEARCH=Giles+weather+station&searchscope=1&Da=&Db=&p=&SORT=D SatuSuro 13:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Djanga 13:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

so its you

Hi there. Got your message last week but took me a little while to figure out who you were. Didn't see the "this user was formerly known as..." sign on your page but eventually figured it out from some clues in stuff that Sats and Hesperian had written recently. Anyway - welcome back and, as for my farewell message on your old user page - no worries. If you should happen to suddenly disappear in another 5 years I'll probably say the same thing again! Cheers. Re: your offer to take snaps on your Rotto visit - how about a Dugite? There is one already on the snake's page but could be better - like more in-focus and close-up though of course I'd recommend telephoto lens from safe distance rather than macro! Just a thought. GlenDillon 08:14, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

IIRC, you have a PowerShot. Best steer clear I think :-( Hesperian 10:03, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Argh.. Agree with Hesp! Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 10:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, none sighted. And if I had seen any, I'd have been too far away to take a useful pic. Djanga 13:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Good thing I saw something in the edits of KJ Hughes and looked up your userpage... welcome back YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 02:59, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I gather your not a great lover of snakes? Bit like me... Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 04:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

game

Looks like we might have to ask for the Applecross art to be protected :( - it seems some interesting rnge of IP's have a very WP Undue or skewed vision of the demographic SatuSuro 04:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Yep. Someone's playing silly buggers. Djanga 13:52, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

U could start the whole dyk thing off again with ernest :) SatuSuro 13:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Charles Harper

Yes indeed. Thanks for pointing that out. Digestible (talk) 11:23, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Oils aint oils

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Petroleum_in_Western_Australia SatuSuro 23:27, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Claggy!

That didn't take long! Obviously Claggy was fairly accommodating. Great shots! Thanks, Mattinbgn\^talk 07:32, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Pretty ordinary shots if you ask me. But they're better that the ones we didn't have before. Djanga 07:47, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

You did great guns. How did you manage to find him that quickly? Is that "fan" you? Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 08:17, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. By a happy coincidence I just happened to be passing ABC radio Perth's studio 5 minutes before Saturday Sportstalk ended and he was on and I had my camera with me, so I nabbed him as he walked out the front door. A lady was there getting a bat autograph also. Had a quick chat - he was just off to Cocos Island. Nice bloke. Possibly ;). Djanga 12:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

You planning on joining WP cricket again or.. not getting back into that stuff yet? Aaroncrick^{(Tassie Boy talk)} 01:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Marvellous! YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) 01:46, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Charles V

Mysterious - they all give date of death only - nat lib, henrietta, and even a google search (sic) all come up with no dob - maybe he was an orphan? - his B&w photos and election to the freemasonry are the only bits in henrietta?liswa that are straight out obvious SatuSuro 14:57, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

According to the Old haleians list he looks like he had at least one brother. I'm sure a DOB will turn up sooner or later. I haven't searched very hard yet. Djanga 00:54, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

[3], Not a WP:RS, but "Charles John Besley b 1900 d 1967. m 1921 Edith Prowse b 1902 d 1956, remarried Kath Rossiter 1964. Insurance representative, Perth City Councillor 1929-1964 and Lord Mayor 1964 to his death in 1967." Another [4] says 1900 also. It'll do. Djanga 05:55, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Goodenough for the fight on the night i say - better than NLA and henrietta who leave a blank :) SatuSuro 14:01, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Ora Banda

Hope I didnt over-react - did a few bits - cheers SatuSuro 01:27, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

ce

Hey Djanga! Does you like to make stuff read good, maybe taking out bits that go on for too long and ramble and duplicate things that have already been said before, before saying them again, and make shorter, nicer, informative wikiarticle that doesn't get to fast and loose with the OR or miss out really importants facts?

Needs a hook too, he keeps getting mentioned in reference to something called Canberra (not the aircraft) and Monaro (not the vehicle). cygnis insignis 16:58, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

its out

Historical_Encyclopedia_of_Western_Australia i have a copy - maybe lunch next week? SatuSuro 12:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)