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Ways to improve Ivan Kamenec

Hi, I'm Ghostboy1997. Ditinili, thanks for creating Ivan Kamenec!

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As reviewing administrator, I've spoken to the above editor about his carelessness in reading the article. Nonetheless, some improvements would help. It would be good to be able to show the importance of some of the books, by citing reviews of them, or especially translations of them if they have ever been translated. Please specify for the English language on the train of tragedy just which book it was translated from, or it is was written as a separate work, please indicate. DGG ( talk ) 16:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

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• territory (12,124 km², about 85% of the total) comprised 549,376 Magyars and 431,545{{sfn|Deák)1998|p=22}} Slovaks and Czechs (census in 1930 did not distinguish between Czechs and Slovaks), and
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• far west as possible."{{Citation needed|date=March 2009}} After a short [[Slovak-Hungarian War]] (with several Hungarian air raids, e.g. March 24 on Spišská Nová Ves, Hungary was forced by Germany
• eyes of a historian in the early 21st century |last=Deák |first=Ladislav |accessdate=13 July 2014}}}</ref> 67 villages lost Slovak majority, size of Slovak population was decreased by 74,100 and

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History of Slovakia

It might have been a mistake, but you added a version of the article while leaving the original text in place. I thought it was vandalism and reverted it. Sjö (talk) 06:19, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, it was only a technical problem. My browser got frozen and when I clicked several times "save", "save", "save" something wrong happened.--Ditinili (talk) 06:24, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

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Ethnic groups in 11th-century Hungary based on place-names, according to István Kniezsa and Lajos Glaser (1938)

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Thanks. The map is of course outdated and this version from 1938 was (according to [2], p.20) partially corrected already by Kniezsa in 1939. Ditinili (talk) 17:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Kotleba – People's Party Our Slovakia, but we cannot accept original research. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. Sıgehelmus (Talk) |д=) 19:10, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Sigehelmus, there is not any "original research" and I did not "combined" any sources. I cited online version of "Hospodárske noviny" - reliable Slovak mainstream newspaper and this reliable newspaper also published snapshot of the web page where Magát admired Adolf Hitler. If I really want to do my "own research", I can open his facebook profile. I did it right now as an experiment, and he currently explains "this capaign against us" by the Jews controlling Slovakia.[3]

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Reverted ANI Comment

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Ok, no problem. --Ditinili (talk) 07:42, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Numerus Clausus

Dear, you seem again not to understand and you ignore good faith as well. If there is a state law, it has an obvious application by law. This is what I told and this is the truth. That means if any minority's candidant would apply to a place where already the limits are full that would be rejected. I did not speak about the affection or practical appliance, I spoke about the law, that conatins limitations for all the minorities (as you acknowledged it also). Unfortunately you again mixed the saison with faison, hence you put a long-long explanation about the situation of the Jews. This was no debated, thus I am not whitewashing anything, So you keep yourself away from unjust charges and try to remain professional!(KIENGIR (talk) 08:42, 13 July 2016 (UTC))

There is no doubt that the law formally applied to any minority's candidate. Neverless, the law was aimed against the Jews and intentionally defined such criteria that in the real world it was applied against them and not against other minorities. More, the law itself (not only its application) also introduced special rules for the Jews which were not applied to other minorities. This was already documented. Thus, repeating the wording of the law (carefully chosen by the contemporary politicians with respect to the League of Nation) without mentioning context and the application is very misguiding. This is very unprofessional. --Ditinili (talk) 09:16, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Again and again you repeat it, although the aim that was not debated. How could the law itself "introduce special laws for the Jews" if the law does not contain anything special for he Jews, but only for minorities? (KIENGIR (talk) 21:45, 13 July 2016 (UTC))

Yes, that's the problem - "the aim was not debated". The aim was not "debated" (it was not mentioned at all), the impact was not "debated" (mentioned at all). So, the original and clear mention about an anti-Jewish law was replaced by the fuzzy statement about minorities, reproducing contemporary apology of the law.

But the authors of the law were never really serious about the system of nationality quotas. Its sole purpose, in anticipation of condemnation of the numerus clausus law from abroad, primarily from the League of Nations, was to be able to hide the anti-Jewish action in a law that seemingly applied an equal measure to all national minorities. In reality, however – apart from the anti-Jewish actions – the nationality quota system was never really introduced. Notwithstanding the fact that the legend persists in popular knowledge this day, it is fact an erroneous belief that the expression „Jewish” does not appear anywhere in the text of the numerus clausus law. The implementation of the law was determined by the enacting clause. (...) In other words, the explicit Jewish quota was not brought into being by the main text of the law itself, but in its enacting clause.

Victor Karády and Péter Tibor Nagy (ed), The numerus clausus in Hungary. Studies on the first anti-Jewish law and academic anti-Semitism in modern Central Europe, Pasts Inc. Centre for Historical Research, History Department of the Central European University, Budapest, 2012. p. 29 http://mek.oszk.hu/11100/11109/11109.pdf Ditinili (talk) 04:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I think we did not move forward with this, you still speak about something that was not debated. I know the case, it's useless to repeat. But it does not change the fact, the law itself restricted all minorities (inlcuding Jews of course). (KIENGIR (talk) 10:16, 14 July 2016 (UTC))

I am missing the point here. It's clear that this was an anti-Jewish law, it was prepared as an anti-Jewish law and it was applied as an anti-Jewish law. So, I will restore this info, if it has not been done in the meantime.Ditinili (talk) 10:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you are missing the point of a long time. But be careful, it is JUST considered widely as an anti-Jewish law, nominally it was agains all RACES (népfajok), so try to remain professional!(KIENGIR (talk) 20:03, 15 July 2016 (UTC))

Székely land

I said during the last ANI that I would be staying away from that user as much as possible, and I see no reason to change at this time, for the simple reason that engagement with him is impossible. I mean, someone who out of hand dismisses texts published by Cambridge University Press, Martinus Nijhoff Publishers, Amsterdam University Press, Lexington Books, Yale University Press and McFarland & Company as "some Anglo-Saxon POV" really has no idea how scholarship and peer review function and no business editing this encyclopedia, so I'm not going to waste time "engaging" him.

But you might want to remind him, in case he hasn't read it, that this is not a forum. - Biruitorul ^Talk 18:40, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

@Biruitorul:,

))))))))))) yes surely I am impossible, thank's God Wikipedia is an incrementally verifiable platform, this contradicts you. Such arguments we often hear from our friends who love us the most, that why not to accept anything immediately i.e. from the U.S. Library Of Congress, a source from the biggest power of the world, where possible nuclear decisions are made. You think this is really an argument? Not the location, but the content is important - anyway I did not rejected them, you rejected other sources (ecetera-ecetera, but yes, yes always I have to be guilty :) ). But don't teach me about scolarship/peer review, I am a scientist with a Master Degree and I am not only rhetorically following these principles in my field where is nothing Hungarian or Romanian or Slovak, there are facts you can prove or you cannot prove, and subsequently going on. Well, it remains you personal opinion that I would have "no business editing this enyclopedia", I know it would be easier without me to ignore those principles that you were told. Wikipedia has to have a healthy balance facts vs. opinions vs. legal matters. Yes, it is not a forum, I am sorry there are some editors who do not want/pretend no to understand some things, and I have to be long.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC))

Biruitorul sorry for bothering you and for involving you in the discussion. --Ditinili (talk) 03:31, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Not a problem - I normally enjoy discussing these issues, but when dealing with someone who questions academic sources published in the US because America has nuclear weapons, I tend to take that as a sign to bow out until more rational voices can prevail. - Biruitorul ^Talk 06:45, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

@Biruitorul:,

You are professional in English yes? Read back, I never "questioned academic sources published in the US because America has nuclear weapons", especially a Romanian argued in the past about acceptance becuase of this regarding a source from the U.S. Library of Congress. But I get used to what I have referred to the last sentence in my former answer. I refuse again the negative-aimed defamation, and after this, don't you ever dare to make critics on my English!(KIENGIR (talk) 22:03, 8 September 2016 (UTC))

Árva County

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due to the lenght - the infobox would not be enough - I react and answer your question here:

Since the correspondent section is about the period of Kingdom of Hungary, there regarding the Wiki naming conventions and contemporary names, Hungarian names may be indicated in the first place. WP:English does not support you in this case since anyway the English names of the Counties of Hungary are not Slovak of course ((Trenčín), (Turiec) (Liptov)). Regarding the rest, the English names (= identical with the current Slovak names) were also indicated, so there is no problem here. The removal of the "Árva vára" is incomprehensible, since in the first place the English name was present (that is again rearding the location is equal with the current Slovak name) and only after in brackets the Hungarian name was present, since it is a historical castle and location in Hungary. Finally - as it is well-known and discussed a long time after also some Romanian "Hungarian-lovers" introduced a new tactics to get rid of any Hungarian names they coined that the official administration was Latin....the funny thing is, that this they never wanted to apply to any other nation or country, becuase then in all Europe you may not even write down in Wiki any German, English, etc. other name in any country whereever Latin was the administration, not even a Romanian name could be written down, since by them Slavic was the official administration - of course they did not think of this :))) So, the custom is in Wikipedia, that regarding medieval times, where the official administration only affected the administration but not the langauge, and not the contemporary usage by the people, etc. the country's own langauge and the local historical designation of the location may be used, as i.e. German, Hungarian, Romanian names may be used also when the administration was Latin or Slavic officially, but the people never used in reality these designations. However, if it is about the modern era when i.e. in Hungary the German language was official, then German names may be used in the first place (even if it is the phonetic transcription of the Hungarian or othe rnames and does not have any meaning in German, etc.)

However, there are very complex situations also, since in the medieval times the langauge of administration, Diet or laws may be differed or co-existed, or some people coined that those times the house of the ruler should decide the question, but it is also not proper. Last but bot least, the context of the article is also very important. A few examples:

- Principality of Transylvania: administration: latin, Diet: Hungarian Legistlation: Hungarian, Ruler: Habsburg house Country status: Hungarian state Land of the Hungarian Crown

-> Hungarian can be used in the first place, but i.e. if there is an article about a Romanian historical person that affiliated bit this period, on that article names may be put in the first place in Romanian, and only after the Hungarian in brackets, despite the Romanian was not official, but because of the context of the article - like i.e. some ethnic German persons from Transylvania, in their article German can be tolerated in the first place because of the article's context

- Kingdom of Hungary administration: Hungarian

-> If there is an article about a Slovak historical person, regardless the official language was Hungarian, because of the context the Slovak names can be tolerated in the first place, and only brackets the Hungarian names should be indicated, it will be tolerated.

- Former counties of Kingdom of Hungary that had been retransformed and continoued in Czechoslovakia

-> On that section, where the context is about the times of Kingdom of Hungary, Hungarain can be used in the fisrt place, on that section when it is about the times of Czechoslovakia, Slovak can be used in the first place.

Your second edit was totally contructive, ok.(KIENGIR (talk) 23:06, 11 October 2016 (UTC))

Hungarian name is NOT a contemporary name. Hungarian could be an official name or an administrative for a specific period (like Latin, German or Slovak for other periods). If we speak about medieval times when Hungarian was not a state nor administrative language then Hungarian name is not more "English" than Slovak (or German, especially if we speak about a territory where the Hungarian population was marginal) and modern name should be used unless there is a widely accepted historic English name for a specific historical context. E.g. Dolný Kubín is historical Kublen or Kolbyn and definitely not Alsókubin (an official name only after 1844), Trenčín was officially Trenchin, Trenchyn, Trinchin, Trynchyn, Thrinchin, Trencz, but not Trencsén - an official name only after 1844 (for a relatively shor period) and it is not a widely accepted historical English name.Ditinili (talk) 04:27, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

You again pretend the same symptome, you don't want ot understand and all your goal is to get rid of the Hungarian names. Shame, you really enjoy this type of editing? After a while, you again chasing me and provocate a conflict? You enjoy?

I won't repeat that I have already told and read it back if it is still unclear, thus i will react only anyting new you have arisen here. Hungarian is a contemporary name, more contemporary than anything else would be, since it was Hungary's own territory country where it has a privilige, like today in Slovakia Slovak has a privilege. You have failed to grasp, to make a DIFFERENCE between the medieval administration that was not used orally or in reality by the population and the modern OFFICIAL language status. That's why in all European country's medieval history not the Latin or Slavic is used as by medieval administration, but the native country's native language name, except if it is about a relevant context, i.e. about a Saxon person in Transylvania, where German names may be accepted on the first place. Hungarian in medieval times is DEFINETELY more English, since that time not necessarily the final Slovak lanugage were decided what to be exactly by Bernolák or other's, unless you present a contemporary English source that used that instead of Hungarian. In such a case, as an accepted and applied custom since many-many years the contemporary names may be used and really in 5 or 6 years you are almost the only one who want to again with a pretext to remove Hungarian names. After you again repeat the latin administration name - that were used only papers but never in reality to again deteriorate the attention of what I have demonstrated.

Since the article's context where the Hungarian names were put is about a historical Hungarian comitatus, also comitatus of Kingdom of Hungary when Hungarian was the official lanaguage, Hungarian have an absolute legal primarity on those sections. You made a clear mistake by reverting without consensus and waiting for the outcome of our negotiation, and again removing the name of the "Árva vára", where clearly the English=current Slovak name wa son the first place, clearly proving the anti-Hungarian aim of the edit, also the fact that you even did not try to be fair and at least put the Hungarian names in brackets, on the second place, however they may be legally put to the first place. At least you should have had a little bit moderation and at least let pre-1920 articles not to struggle to delete anything that is Hungarian, as we also do not delete from Czeshoslovak/Slovak articles after 1920 Slovak names even there where local people never use them because we respect that it is now part of an other country where the langauge is other. You foxily ride on the medieval administration twist, that is totally different like modern official language, like so from more thousand articles more ten-thousand names should be deleted and rewritten in Latin and Slavic, if anyone would follow your intention, it is highly dangerous! You cannot raise any objection to the former state of the article, since all English and Slovak names were also present where it has to be indicated! We don't have any inferiority complex to hide present-day names!(KIENGIR (talk) 22:49, 12 October 2016 (UTC))

Nyitra County

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Borsoka, I don't think that I violated 3RR. However, I can very easily document repeated removal of the sourced content. I am also curious if you sent the same warning to the second involved editor. Did you? If not, why?

Because it was you, who reverted my edit (and other editors' edit). Borsoka (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Excuse me? I reverted your edit ONCE. Other user reverted my edits (even if they were properly sourced) not otherwise.

If you think that something is SYNTH (it is not and I would be happy to see your explanation) you should discuss it on the Talk page, before you remove the sourced text. Ditinili (talk) 12:51, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Do you say that the two cited sources specifically mention that Pressburg County and Bratislava County (???) were the neighbors of Nyitra County? Borsoka (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Feel free to open this problem on the right talk page. This is not a synthesis.

Please feel free to initiate a dicussion on the talk page if you think that the names should be mentioned. Borsoka (talk) 14:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Please, count your reverts. You may not know, but we do not need to repeat all verifiable information about a topic in each article mentioning that topic. For instance, we do not list all nicknames of New York in each article which refers to New York. There were at least 3 editors who deleted the alternative names of Pozsony County in that article about Nyitra County. Instead of reverting their edits, you should have initiate a discussion on the Talk page after the second deletion. Borsoka (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Unfortunately, they removed it because of completely false assumptions (allegedly, it is not in source). More, if I read the existing rules and previous discussions, it is absolutely OK to mention other geographics names (also in other articles). Instead of removal of the sourced text because of false (and demonstrably wrong assumptions) they should open discussion. What shell I discuss? "It is not in source", "yes, it is"? I copied the text "letter for letter" and referenced to freely available source to prevent any doubts. Ditinili (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes. If it is necessary to help to identify a settlement, a river, whose name changed several times during the last centuries. However, we do not give all alternative names in each articles, especially if it does not help to identify. Sorry, I think there is no point in continuing this debate on this Talk page. If you think that the other editors involved in this debate are wrong, please try to discuss it on the relevant Talk page instead of reverting other editors' edits. Borsoka (talk) 14:12, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

You mean, I can replace Pressburg (Hungarian: Pozsony in all articles only by Pressburg? It is not in my interest, but it seems so from your explanation.Ditinili (talk) 14:28, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

No, Pozsony was one of the official names of the town for centuries. Can you refer to a source claiming that Pressburg County was whenever officially used? Borsoka (talk) 14:48, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

What do you mean by "official name for centuries"? I will continue on the relevant talk page.Ditinili (talk) 15:58, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Privilegium pro slavis

Be sure "This systematic reordering has no support in the existing consenzus" is a false statement, since the version you have overridden was also fully complied with the consensus, anyway it does not have any directive to unsupport such alignment. The corresponding timeline and context is Hungary, so it was totally ok. Considering that in this case the Slovak context has also an importance because of the article's main subject is about this, this time I will leave your edit as it is, both versions could have almost equal validity.(KIENGIR (talk) 20:58, 9 November 2016 (UTC))

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He wasn't born in independent Slovakia, so it's best to not make appear as though he were. Either go with Czechoslovakia or Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia. GoodDay (talk) 18:37, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, he was born in formally independent Slovakia. It was not a "state occupied by Germany" (before 1944), but one of German satellites. The "Slovak State" (the offical name was Slovak Republic) is OK, much better than Yugoslavia or Czechoslovakia. --Ditinili (talk) 19:13, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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Hello, I recently created an article about Matthias from the Hermán clan, who served as provost of Spis/Szepes. There is only one monography (p. 70.) about his life and career, in Slovak language. Unfortunately my Slovak language knowledge is limited (I can read only simpler texts), so may I ask you to expand the article with some info, based on Labanc's work? --Norden1990 (talk) 11:50, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, I will read the work and try to expand the article. Ditinili (talk) 13:24, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Kiss, Lajos (1978). Földrajzi nevek etimológiai szótára [Etymological Dictionary of Geographic Names]. Budapest: Akadémiai. pp. 131–132.

Hi,

can you provde me a link to the source, or can you cite the entire section about Budapest? (it seems a limited access via google books...)(KIENGIR (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2017 (UTC))

Az alapjaul szolgalo szn. valoszinuleg szlav eredetu; vo.: cseh Buda [<: Budivoj, Budimir] stb.] szn. (Profous 1: 202);... --Ditinili (talk) 03:52, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, but could you insert the entire section fully, from the beginning to the end?(KIENGIR (talk) 17:31, 5 September 2017 (UTC))

https://ibb.co/bJVsuF --Ditinili (talk) 20:16, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. In the page you inserted "Budislav", while in the source "Budivoj" is written..what's the catch?(KIENGIR (talk) 18:14, 6 September 2017 (UTC))

There is no catch. Budivoj, Budislav and Budimir are composed of two stems: bud- (budit, buditi - to wake, to excite) + one of common Slavic stems used to create personal names (voj - an army, slava/slavit - a glory, to glorify, mir - the world). The short form is in all cases derived only from the first stem. Thus, the short form of Budivoj, Budislav and Budimir is in all cases Buda, Budek, like e.g. Ludimir is Luda, Ludek or Ladislav is Lada, Ladek. Let's say, it is a minor typo. Ditinili (talk) 07:03, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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Stop OR and Slovak propaganda now! Your source do not confirm your claim. Even Slovak nation did not exist in the 12th century and the formation of their language from other Western Slav dialects is a centuries-long process, lasted until the 19th century. --Norden1990 (talk) 15:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Please, try to be polite and try to avoid sentences like "Slovak propaganda". The Slovak language could not emerge from other Slavic dialects, because it contains features inherited from Proto-Slavic that never existed in e.g. in Polish and Czech. Especially, it cannot be derived from "other Western Slav", because it contains numerous non-West Slavic features (History of the Slovak language) and by its origin, it is not exclusively "West Slavic" language (this is modern classification not related to its genetic origin). By the way, the vowel "ä" mentioned by Uhlar even does not exist in other Slavic languages.Ditinili (talk) 15:18, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

The above text show only one theory (highly represented since the Czechoslovak era, when the identity of Slovaks has been strengthened by the state, so the phrase "Slovak propaganda" is correct). Nevertheless, the current article version is much more better, even there is a debate about the date of the formation of a separate Slovak language (and not a dialect). ""ä" is a mark of the German influence (also appeared in Hungarian during that time). --Norden1990 (talk) 15:28, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Norden... this is the prevailing modern theory. "Highly represented since the Czechoslovak era" is an absolute non-sense. In the inter-war period, the preferred theory (politically preferred and pushed by the state) was a theory about the common Czechoslovak origin of Slovak and Czech (later abandoned also by the authors since it was scientifically refuted and untenable). You should also distinguish between a grapheme (maybe of German origin) and a vowel. I don't know what do you exactly mean by "the date of the formation". The extinction of Proto-Slavic is dated cca to the 10th century and new languages emerged continually.Ditinili (talk) 15:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I mean, there was no unified, single Slovak language and identity until the 19th century. The Slavic population in Upper Hungary was a mix of proto-Slav, Czech, Polish and Ruthenian elements. You deliberately claim any Slavic-sounding words in medieval Upper Hungary as "Slovak". It's misleading, anachronistic, a typcial Slota-kind history fabrication. --Norden1990 (talk) 19:56, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

No comment. I am open for any serious discussion, but if you wish to violate WP:CIVILITY (Slota-kind history, propaganda, etc), you should find a different partner. Ditinili (talk) 20:42, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Your OR and nationalistic POV edits are more harmful than my tonality. Of course, I can use kind words, but the point is the same: anachronism and manipulation of the sources. Unfortunately for you, I read and understand Slovak language to a certain level. --Norden1990 (talk) 15:14, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Please, calm down and read WP:CIVILITY. If you want to discuss, explain or clarify something, e.g. changes in Proto-Slavic basis of Slovak, Czech, Polish or Ruthenian, how these languages emerged, the chronology of changes, extinction and vocalization of yers, contraction, denasalisation, etc, I am here for you. Ditinili (talk) 15:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

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regarding this [4], what's your opinion, did you read the source? It's ok, reliable? Nothing fringe regarding the term "Old Slovak"? As you may remember, this was an issue in Slovakia when the new Svatopluk sculpture was presented as "King of the Old-Slovaks", while Slovak historians protested that this term is not appropriate and miselading, dubious, such term did not exist...(KIENGIR (talk) 12:11, 24 November 2018 (UTC))

The source is reliable. Ferdinand Uličný is a recognized mainstream historian, he leads the Department of Archives and Auxiliary Historical Sciences of the Prešov University. The journal Slovenská reč (Slovak Language) is a scientific journal published by Ľudovít Štúr Institute of Linguistics of Slovak Academy of Sciences. I referenced to the same article here: "The first written mention of adjective slovenský (Slovak) is in 1294 ("ad parvam arborem nystra slowenski breza ubi est meta")." see Slovaks#Name. The term "Old Slovak" (stará slovenčina) is a proper term for old (early) Slovak language from the end of the Common Slavic period (cca from the 10th century). The terminology for the previous period used by Slovak linguists and historians is not consistent. --Ditinili (talk) 18:21, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

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Zdravím. Chcem sa ti predovšetkým poďakovať. Tvoje príspevky do Wikipédie ma naučili veľa dejinách a vývoji Slovákov. Mám ale jednu otázku: Konsenzus slovenskej historiografie tvrdí, že listina Privilegium pro Slavis bola napísaná na žiadosť autochtónneho slovanského obyvateľstva a latinský výraz "Sclavi" je dôsledne preložený na "Slováci". Ty so slovenskými historikmi plne súhlasíš. Nie je ale táto interpretácia problematická vzhľadom na to ako kráľ týchto Slovanov/Slovákov oslovil ("civium et hospitum nostrorum" = "naši mešťania a hostia")? Latinským výrazom "hospes" sa (podľa mojej mienky) v tej dobe označovali len prisťahovalci z cudzích krajín. V tej istej listine sú Nemci oslovení rovnako. Ako je možné synchronizovať túto už spomínanú interpretáciu s týmto faktom? Vyjadril sa k tomu už nejaký historik? Kracatmacat (talk) 12:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Ahoj. V tomto prípade nejde o vyjadrenie cudzieho pôvodu, ale o zdôraznenie toho, že ide o privilegovanú vrstvu obyvateľstva, ktorá podlieha špeciálnemu hosťovskému právu (typicky zahŕňalo napr. právo voliť si richtára a pod). Pozri napr. [5], s.136: "Najmä od 13. storočia termín hospes pomenúval už homogénnejšiu skupinu obyvateľstva. Neoznačoval totiž už len cudzinca/prisťahovalca všeobecne, ale začal určovať jasne vymedzenú sociálno-právnu kategóriu obyvateľstva, keď slúžil na pomenovanie slobodného človeka, ktorý bol nositeľom tzv. práva hostí, či zväčša býval v takej obci, ktorá nadobudla právo/výsadu hostí." Rovnako aj [6], s. 47-48, kde sa v tejto súvislosti priamo spomína Žilina. --Ditinili (talk) 16:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

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Rangeblock has been converted to anon-only, you should be able to edit now. ST47 (talk) 23:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Is SK-VNET your normal ISP, or a VPN provider? Most of the IP check tools say that this is not an open proxy. Pinging User:DoRD who implemented the rangeblock for input. ST47 (talk) 18:59, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

VNET is our ISP (https://www.vnet.sk/en/for_business/internet/internet-connection/). Thank you for your help.--Ditinili (talk) 19:52, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

I see. I'm not sure if it's better for me to lift the rangeblock or poke a hole in it for the specific IP you are using, so I'll wait to see if DoRD or someone else is able to assist. My preference would be to lift the rangeblock, but it's likely that the original blocking admin knew something that I do not about that range. ST47 (talk) 20:23, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

LTA vandals who surf open proxies have been found on this IP range, but if it's used by residential customers, maybe the range block should be converted to be anon-only. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 20:40, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

ST47, I must have detected some significant abuse on the range or I wouldn't have blocked it, but I don't have any recollection of what it was. Feel free to change the block per NRP's suggestion, though. —DoRD (talk)​ 22:05, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

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Oh did you not remember you made a split proposal almost 5 years ago? You said you were going to be bold and split. Oh well, almost 5 years later, article increased by about 15%. Well, if you want to split the article. go ahead. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 02:17, 17 April 2020 (UTC)