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Participation at FAR of Andrew Jackson

@El C and Girth Summit:, @WP:FAR coordinators: per this partial block, is this participation acceptable? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:09, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

I know that you didn't ask me, but my only restriction is that I am blocked from the Andrew Jackson article and its associated talk page. Nobody ever said anything about me being under some kind of Andrew Jackson topic ban. If there were limitations that applied beyond the pages for which I was blocked, I would think that these should have been communicated to me. Display name 99 (talk) 02:26, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

@SandyGeorgia: Hmm. DN99 is correct that a partial block is not the same as a TBan, so I don't see the act of participation as a policy violation in and of itself. However, I think that the nature of the participation is skirting very close to being a WP:NPA violation. Comments like this:I will try to be charitable here and not impugn the motives of the editors... are not acceptable. It's a rhetorical device as old as the hills: I remember my Latin teacher drawing my attention to similar stuff in Cicero's prosecution of Verres, where he included aspersions that he couldn't prove by saying something like "The court need not consider the question of...". DN99 has been here long enough to know that discussions about content should focus on the content, and not on the authors' motivations, and he cannot get around that by saying he is not questioning their motives (while making it very clear that he does indeed doubt them). I think that DN99 ought to remove those comments, and if he will not the FAR coordinators would be well within their remit to redact them as off-topic and needlessly inflammatory. If DN99 continues to make comments about contributors in areas where he should be focusing on content, it will likely end with his partial block being converted to a site-wide one.

FWIW, I'll also observe that I find the meat of DN99's argument to be weak. He thinks the current version of the article is giving too much weight to some aspects of the subject, and not enough to others; a reasonable position to take perhaps, but he backs it up with nothing more than 'it was better before'. Striking the right balance about a subject like this is obviously difficult, since we all have our own biases and interests that might influence what we think are the more important aspects to cover in more detail and what we can safely skim over. Arguments of this nature should be grounded in the relative weight that recent high-quality scholarship gives the relevant issues, and should not be influenced by expressions of personal opinion, however forcefully expressed. Girth Summit _(blether) 12:43, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

I saw him on my talk page, so I decided to see if any updates were present. You summed it up perfectly and honestly, the best he should do is try to be wary of contributor and article intentions, I guess? No userbase is perfect... and as much as I regret assuming things about him, I'd rather wait until some consensus is reached. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 11:50, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I regret thinking this was some social media website, so I just try to be chill and help out instead of being immature, and I think that's where he needs to improve.

I also believe WP:HELP may be of use. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 11:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

WannurSyafiqah74, I don't think that Girth Summit is going to reply that you make a month and a half after they last posted something here. The fact that you think otherwise is more than a little ridiculous.

You're an inconsequential editor with hardly any contributions here. You aggressively inserted yourself into a dispute which did not concern you and began to relentlessly hound and lecture me in a pretentious and self-righteous tone, misrepresenting my words and actions and not making any references to the actual reasons for the dispute that led to my block because it was clear that you were too lazy to actually look into that. The fact that you think that I, or anyone else, actually cares what you have to say stuns me. Display name 99 (talk) 23:37, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't lazy, I know it's a ridiculously late reply, considering I only use this site if I feel like it.

but me? Pretentious? When you keep calling me things as I attempt to point out how your behavior isn't really suitable for a site like this???? lol okay WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 04:02, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

WannurSyafiqah74, what behavior? Again, you never addressed the allegations against me which led to my block, so I don't know what conduct you're referring to. You just chimed in later with numerous vague and sanctimonious posts to lecture and degrade me. Do you even know the origin of what happened here? Probably not. Display name 99 (talk) 12:05, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

... look, I didn't look into context. I'm not responding to this ever again cause I now know stuff like this isn't worth my time. Anyway, please refer to what Freoh posted, thank you. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 10:27, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

WannurSyafiqah74, yes, that was quite obvious. Consider doing that next time before opening your mouth. Display name 99 (talk) 14:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

No, before I'll stay inactive, I just assumed talking it out would be the case like I was using a social media site. ah well. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:42, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

WannurSyafiqah74, once again, your message is completely incomprehensible. What does "before I'll stay inactive" mean? If you aren't inactive now, then you can't stay inactive. How can you "talk something out" without understanding what that something is? You keep mentioning social media in comparison to Wikipedia but never explain what that has to do with anything. You said that you would never post here again (not the first time) but once again couldn't help yourself from coming back here and saying something else. You're totally inconsistent and your statements mean nothing. A fundamental part of your problem is that you often completely fail to communicate in a way that makes any bit of sense. In addition to trying harder not to sound arrogant and sanctimonious, I strongly suggest that you proofread your messages and improve your English skills if you want to edit here. Now I'm not sure that advice on how to edit Wikipedia from someone who has been blocked as many times as I have means a lot, so do as you like with it. Display name 99 (talk) 01:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow, that's long. English isn't my first language, so I'll have to explain it in summary:

1. Hey, it's only fair to criticize myself. Just stay chill, okay?
2. Before I'll be inactive. I used "stay" instead of "be", sorry.
3. My replies sometimes do sound incomprehensible, sorry about that. I used to talk about your behavior before I decided to admit I'll be quiet about it (as Freoh warned you about some of the messages you've sent. Not all, some)
4. Fine. Honestly, as long as you also acknowledge your flaws, that's fine.

That's all. I'll leave for real, just don't expect me to reply after this. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 15:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

WannurSyafiqah74, no, it's not long. It's a normal sized paragraph. Your first point doesn't answer what I said. Your constant comparisons to social media are weird because they are completely unexplained. Likewise, you did not address my main concern: how you can lecture and pontificate to me on my behavior without even knowing what my behavior was that led to the block. As far as you not posting here anymore, I'll believe it when I see it. Display name 99 (talk) 10:53, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Patrick Calhoun (immigrant)

Hi. I was considering Patrick Calhoun (immigrant) for deletion as I couldn't find many sources on him, until I read what was said about him at John C. Calhoun#Early life. Seeing as you wrote a lot of John C. Calhoun and likely have access to the sources that talk about Patrick, I was wondering if you would be able to add some better descriptors of Patrick in the article (such as farmer, politician etc. whatever the sources say)? Or do you think there would be grounds for AfD here? I think someone who was elected to political office is of sufficient notability. Willbb234 15:23, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

Willbb234, I am semi-retired from editing Wikipedia, and all that I am really doing now is making minor edits to articles that I have already done extensive work on to ensure that they remain in good condition. I am not undertaking any major projects. From a brief glance, I don't see much of a reason to keep that article. Display name 99 (talk) 20:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)