Dirdam2

November 2022

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The image provided has nothing to do with the deaths caused by the reconcentraciones. It is an image of the Colon Cemetery. You can find more information here: https://www.vistaalmar.es/ciencia-tecnologia/historia/7337-antiguo-osario-cementerio-colon-la-habana.html

use of this image is intended to shock and it is not honest truthful information. Dirdam2 (talk) 16:04, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

I would appreciate the editor reverting my change to go to the source so that he can confirm that it is a photograph taken at the ossary in the Colón Cemetery at Havanna. Unless the editor can provide evidence that it corresponds to atrocities caused by the reconcentración policy he shouldn't publish it. it doesn't stand to scrutiny since that policy was applied only during Weyler's tenure as captain general. It would have been impossible for the bones to be clean of flesh in less than a year. So, if you revert the change again please justify it and cite sources. 80.174.107.139 (talk) 16:50, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:CRD i have tried to delete a photograph that purports to show a pile of bones as evidence of atrocities during the reconcentración policy carried out by Weyler. The source of the photograph is also very specific and mentions that it is photograph of an ossuary taken at the Colon cemetery in Havana.[1]https://www.loc.gov/item/2013647272/

in addition the use of the expression “Cuban holocaust” is not appropriate. While the consequences of the Weyler reconcenttartion policy were dire the intent was not genocidal but an ill advised war strategy to isolate peasants from mambises.

Users dudhhr and Iffyfkewo have repeatedly reverted this change with NO explanation or argument against my reason to delete the photograph from the entry.

The use of this image is not constructive. It pretends to shock the reader and I find it grossly insulting, degrading, and offensive material that has no encyclopedic or project value. Dirdam2 (talk) 08:59, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:CRD the editors dudhhr and Iffyflewo keep reverting my deletion of a picture of a pile of bones that was purported to represente the effects of the 'reconcentración' policy applied by Weyler. It was included in the article with the intention of shocking readers but the picture in fact was taken at an ossary at Colon Cemetery in Havana. It is therefore not constructive and has no encyclopedic interest. The cited editors keep reverting without any justification or proof. Dirdam2 (talk) 10:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Notice of edit warring

Your recent editing history at Spanish Empire shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Materialscientist (talk) 11:03, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I have reported the editor Illyflewo for vandalism. I have justified my edit appropriately whereas the other editor doesn't cite any arguments nor provides any references to prove that the image corresponds to war atrocities. I have referred to the original source which clearly states that "Photograph shows a heap of human skulls and bones in Cristóbal Colón cemetery, Havana, Cuba." It is therefore unrelated to any alleged concentration camp activity. [2]https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=2013647272&searchType=1&permalink=y

I see that you have taken the side of the editor who conducts vandalism by displaying disturbing images. That I have been blocked after providing clear reasons for my edit is a disgrace. Dirdam2 (talk) 12:24, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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I have reported the editor Illyflewo for vandalism. I have justified my edit appropriately whereas the other editor doesn't cite any arguments nor provides any references to prove that the image corresponds to war atrocities. I have referred to the original source which clearly states that "Photograph shows a heap of human skulls and bones in Cristóbal Colón cemetery, Havana, Cuba." It is therefore unrelated to any alleged concentration camp activity. [2]https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/search?searchCode=LCCN&searchArg=2013647272&searchType=1&permalink=y Dirdam2 (talk) 12:26, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Being correct with your edits is not a defense to edit warring, as every edit warrior thinks their edits are correct. Please describe in a new request how you will handle editing disputes without edit warring. 331dot (talk) 14:07, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I provide justifications for my edits. If you block my account for an edit war that was started by an account that doesn't provide any sources or justification and refuses to engage in a discussion to reach a consensus then you are encouraging vandalism & trolling. You have left the page unedited with fake information which undermines the credibility of Wikipedia. It is up to you to create an environment where topics can be discussed and a rationale provided for edits.

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Edit warring is not tolerated. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 15:55, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

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Dirdam2 (talk) 14:48, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

This is interesting. Let's review the sequence of events: I edit the article Spanish Empire to eliminate an image of an ossary in the Colón Cemetery at Havana which was uploada by someone who wanted to relate it to a Cuban holocaust. The very same source of the image, the Library of Congress, states very clearly that it is an image of said cemetery .

User Illyflewo then starts an edit war by reverting my edits. I issue several warnings asking the editor to justify his reversal and stop the edit war. No response, no interaction, no justification, no attempt to reach a consensus. In the end I am the one who gets blocked and the vandal gets away with a the posting of photograph that is unrelated to the article. This editor has a history of disruptive editing . I have also requested administrator assistance which I never got.

It seems like a strange form of etiquette prevails in Wikipedia where supporting your edits with arguments, references and justification is irrelevant and other editors can edit at their whim without providing any explanation.

This episode calls into question the accuracy and thruthfulness of Wikipedia.

For people who are not used to the "etiquette" in Wikipedia it is a horrible experience.

The other editor is also blocked. We're not kindergartners; it doesn't matter who started it. There was no WP:VANDALISM; content disputes are not vandalism. I don't see any indication that either of you bothered to use the article talk page. The block was blind to the content of the edits, as is appropriate for dealing with edit warring when vandalism is not involved. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 17:11, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I did in fact try to engage using the Talk page. I might not have done it successfully since I am not used to that function. But I sent the four level warnings to the other editor. I also requested administrator assistance. If it is not recorded it may be because I am not an experienced user. But I certainly tried all those things. Please refer to the User Talk where I indeed ask the other editors to justify their changes and I also attempt to bring the attention of the administrator: .

If you go further up this page you will see that is the case. I wrote: I would appreciate the editor reverting my change to go to the source so that he can confirm that it is a photograph taken at the ossary in the Colón Cemetery at Havanna. Unless the editor can provide evidence that it corresponds to atrocities caused by the reconcentración policy he shouldn't publish it. it doesn't stand to scrutiny since that policy was applied only during Weyler's tenure as captain general. It would have been impossible for the bones to be clean of flesh in less than a year. So, if you revert the change again please justify it and cite sources. 80.174.107.139 (talk) 16:50, 19 November 2022 (UTC) WP:CRD i have tried to delete a photograph that purports to show a pile of bones as evidence of atrocities during the reconcentración policy carried out by Weyler. The source of the photograph is also very specific and mentions that it is photograph of an ossuary taken at the Colon cemetery in Havana.[1]https://www.loc.gov/item/2013647272/

• When your entirely proper edit warring block expires in half a day, you should go to the talk page of the article and discuss it there. --jpgordon^{𝄢𝄆𝄐𝄇} 21:06, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

I have now opened a topic in the Talk section. I hope that now we can get a more rigorous article on the recocentración policy based on references to professional historians and get rid of that image. There are other images that are truly related to the reconcentración.