User talk:Deville/Archive 3

Gamestah deletion review notification

Hi Deville,

You initially decided to delete the Gamestah entry, stating that "it would seem that the site qualifies under WP:WEB" except that the ABC links provided did not prove notability. They do now, and the entry for Gamestah is notable as per WP:WEB.

Since you deleted the article, it would be good if you could comment on the Gamestah deletion review

Barnstar

For someone who is unbelievably still empty-handed...

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For repetitively creating so ~80 West Indies cricketer articles and similarly on the US Congressmen and many thousands of disambiguations, you are awarded this barnstar.Blnguyen | rant-line 07:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit war

Hi there, I'm requesting mediation at Ahmed Zaoui. Another editor User:Armon and I are the only active contributors to the page, and I've only been editing it for a month or so. I'm disturbed by the excessive reverting without talk by Armon, deleting not only the contested edits, but any change since the last version he edited. I quick look through his contributions shows that this certainly isn't the first time he's engaged in this behaviour. I've only contributed to the page what I thought was uncontested or highly verifiable. In short, his behaviour is making me feel uncivil, and I'm about to quit wikipedia if nothing is done about his behaviour, because it's just plain destructive. Tell me to get back to work! 22:03, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm willing to take a look. Did you already put something on MedCabal concerning this? --- Deville (Talk) 23:05, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, that was a silly question, I should have checked first. I'll drop some messages on talk pages now and see if we can't get the ball rolling on this issue. --- Deville (Talk) 23:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll admit that I'm certainly not without fault here either. But we do need a cool head to help us sort out our disputes. Tell me to get back to work! 23:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll wait and see if Armon is willing to participate, since this is so informal. My hope is I can help you guys find some common ground so there's no need to go to an RfC. --- Deville (Talk) 23:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

The situation at Ahmed Zaoui remains unresolved. I left to maintain my sanity, but I don't see that you've made any comments on the matter. Mostlyharmless

Re: Irvine Romaine

Hey, no worries about Irvine Romaine. It was easy to correct.

However, isn't it the case that all the Bermudian player infoboxes now say "Updated: 22 August 2006" but the stats don't include the ODI of 21 August? Unfortunately I haven't got time to fix that now.

Stephen Turner (Talk) 09:15, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi Stephen, I believe you're correct and again the fault is mine. I updated the stats on 22 August implicitly assuming that I'd include the ODI of 21 August, but I think that cricinfo.com hadn't included the latest ODI in some of the players' stats...it was too soon. I should have double-checked this. Anyway, I've updated the list page to be current, and I'll go through and fix the player pages as well when I get a chance. --- Deville (Talk) 12:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations

After and impressive showing of community support, you're now an admin. Be conservative with the new tools, especially at first, and re-read the policies as necessary before acting. As you get comfortable dig in and help out with the backlogs. Have fun, and again, congratulations. - Taxman ^Talk 02:42, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Here's a shiny new mop for you! Cheers -- Samir धर्म 03:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

A toast

Congratulations Deville, a good job...I was a bit surprised by the turnout...I was hoping for more..you definitely deserved more, unsung hero. Blnguyen | rant-line 03:32, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats! Well done. Here's a mop! -- Samir धर्म 03:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats! Yanksox 04:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Congrats from me too. I really meant to support (was waiting to be the last supporter :P) but Taxman closed it 5 1/2 hours early... grr. Anyway I'm positive you'll be great with the mop & wish you the best of luck! Cheers --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 19:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

(P.S Don't recall having ever seen you on IRC, so would be great if you could come. You can even join The Cabal(tm) at #wikipedia-en-admins ;-) )

You passed with flying colours, I am impressed. ;) --Andeh 00:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

:Pats on back: Great job, and I noticed on your user page you did over 1000 edits in a day. I am utterly amazed, just thought I'd say something. Good job on passing RFA. --WillMak050389 02:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Actual toast.

Congrats. Viridae^Talk 02:59, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, congrats! I hope that you will, what they say: savor the flavor. Hey, this food is very appealing right now. JungleCat talk/contrib 03:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

The only reservation I had about voting for you was that you were receiving too many positive votes. Skål - Williamborg (Bill)

Hey, good job on your new status—you deserve it. :) —Khoikhoi 04:57, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations on your promotion, and you're very welcome! --Merovingian - Talk 06:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Well done on your promotion! Just ask if you need any assistance!  (aeropagitica)   (talk)  08:00, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations: it's good to have another person who really knows about cricket as an admin. Johnlp 08:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

May I add my congratulations.--Runcorn 22:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Piling-on congratulations! Baseball,Baby! ^{balls•strikes} 23:37, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Comair Flight 5191 Question

You left a rather threating message, accusing me of vandalism on this article. My response:

"I Linked the "Albert B. Chandler" in "Albert B. Chandler Medical Center" to the entry for Albert B. "Happy" Chandler. I fail to see how this is vandalism. Please explain. It seems natural that someone who isn't from Kebtucky would wonder who "Albert B. Chandler" was. This was not at all an unreasonable addition."

I'd like to understand why you did this.

Thanks

Takohead 18:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

All cleared up. A case of mistaken indentity! Thanks, Deville.

Your name

I wonder, did you choose Deville because you have a Cadillac? My two cents. Mostly Rainy 11:00, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

A Cadillac in The City? F'getaboutit --- Deville (Talk) 02:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You're from New York, I see. Have you seen 101 Dalmations? Mostly Rainy 04:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Orlando, Florida

We have noticed that you had our IP address blocked. It is the address for the ISP for CFI. CFI is one of the largest privately held entities in the South East United States. CFI owns Several resorts, several brand name hotels, restaurants and several other business across the United States. It is also the single largest non-Disney purchaser of Walt Disney World tickets in the world as well and many other central Florida attractions and invests several millions of dollars annually into the development of Central Florida and inparticular Orlando, Florida. Please note that in blocking this address, you are blocking over 20,000+ simultaneous potential Wikipedia users (staff, customers and guests from across the country) from access to the editing capabilities of Wikipedia. Many users of Wikipedia have made very useful contributions to articles from our ip address.

CFI is also the parent company for numerous internet entities including the Orlando Area Guide. It is an informational website with the intent to be the most complete resource/reporitory for all Central Florida information including an Orlando wiki and numerous web 2.0 products. As manager of www.OrlandoAreaGuide.com I understand the necessity for maintaining a Spam free enviroment on Wikis and with respect to recent events...I apologise on behalf of some of the overly zealous members of my team. However, we do believe that as an integral part of Central Florida's life we do deserve some mention on a page dedicated to Orlando. OrlandoAreaGuide.com is the orlando repository that we wish to have on the Orlando, Florida page.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Geniusboy (talk • contribs)

Long-Overdue RfA Thanks from Alphachimp

Thanks for your support in my not-so-recent RfA, which was successful with a an overwhelmingly flattering and deeply humbling total of 138/2/2 (putting me #10 on the RfA WP:100). I guess infinite monkey theorem has been officially proven. Chimps really can get somewhere on Wikipedia. With new buttons come great responsibility, and I'll try my best to live up to your expectations. If you need assistance with something, don't hesitate to swing by my talk page or email me (trust me, I do respond :)). The same goes for any complaints or comments in regard to my administrative actions. Remember, I'm here for you. (Thanks go to Blnguyen for the incredible photo to the right.) alphaChimp laudare 01:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Winhunter's RfA thanks

Hi Deville, thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which was closed as successful today with a finaly tally of (56/0/3). I will be very careful at first to avoid any mistakes. Please feel free to leave a message in my talk page if you have any comments/suggestions about me in the future. Once again, thank you! --WinHunter (talk) 09:14, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

JPD's RfA

Thanks, Deville, for your support and comments at my RfA, which finished with a tally of 94/1/0. I hope I live up to the confidence you have shown in me in my activities as an administrator. JPD (talk) 16:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Relisted AfD you closed

I want to tell you that I relist a AfD that you closed (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aman Verjee) because a significant amount of votes in that AfD were from confirmed sockpuppets. I hope you don't mind, many thanks. --WinHunter ^(talk) 13:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Ferret legging

What criteria did you use for keeping Ferret legging in its AfD? The entire discussion seemed to hinge on whether it was a hoax or not, as did your closing comment. But there was little or no analysis of whether it was notable enough for Wikipedia. I don't doubt that this man put ferrets in his pants 20 years ago and that it got written about in a book and a magazine article, but is that really enough to you to justify a Wikipedia article? wikipediatrix 15:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lynn Peterson

You forgot to put the closing template {{subst:ab}} underneath the AfD, so it enclosed all the others beneath it too! See closing AfD. Tyrenius 05:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Easily done with all these fiddly bits and pieces. I couldn't work out at first why everything was light blue! Tyrenius 05:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Try light blue - it's very easy to see what's been closed. I just use the defaults on preferences as supplied by wiki. Tyrenius 06:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Email

I've sent you a mail with instructions on how to access IRC. Hope they're helpful. See you on IRC. Regards --Srikeit ^{(Talk | Email)} 08:24, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

George Daniel

Hi. I'm attacking the [[Category:Wikipedia articles with topics of unclear importance]] and have stumbled onto the George Daniel article. You were the closing admin on the AfD debate but forgot to complete it. The AfD tag is still there on the article. By the way, is it ok for me to relist this? I mean the debate was pretty much empty and the sole argument in favour is extremely weak. Thanks. Pascal.Tesson 18:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC) Sure. Thanks for the advice. Hope I remember in a week! Pascal.Tesson 18:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

New baseball article improvement drive

Baseball

Greetings fellow WikiProject Baseball member! Just a quick note: there is now an article improvement drive just for baseball-related articles at WP:BBAID. Please take a look and vote on an article or add one of your own. Once an article has been agreed upon, feel free to stop by and lend a hand in getting it to featured article status. Hope you can participate! —Wknight94 (talk) 00:44, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk page revert

You're very welcome, Gwernol 18:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedro Sá

I have noticed when you closed the above AfD, you did not remove the category template, "REMOVE THIS TEMPLATE WHEN CLOSING THIS AfD". By deleting this when closing it pulls the discussion out of the category. I have deleted it from this discussion, but if you could review any other closures you have done recently and remove the tag from them it would be greatly appreicated. Thanks. --Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 14:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

This is a fairly recent change. The official policy is at WP:AFDC. In regards to why it is categoried after closure, it should not be. I

have been going through the listing in each of the categories CAT:AFD and removing the tag from pages that are closed and adding the approriate category code for those in the uncatagorised group. I came across the new categories after they had been implemented. I did not notice anything about the discussion as it was happening. I took it upon myself to start cleaning up things. Thanks.--Gay Cdn (talk) (email) (Contr.) 18:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I think I get the plot now. As I said on your talk page, I posed some questions on WT:AFDC since I left that message. Anyway, I'll go through all my old closures and see if I missed any. Thanks again! -- Deville (Talk) 18:52, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Block of 88.108.228.29

Not that I really care, but are you aware that you blocked 88.108.228.29 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) for one hour, while the message you left on their talk page says only 15 minutes? Cheers --Pak21 15:14, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Sweetest Day

NPOV issues were corrected and the information from Sweetest Day Hoax was reinserted into the Sweetest Day article 1, but industry spammers keep removing the sourced historical facts about Sweetest Day. It appears the Sweetest Day article is being used for promotional purposes. Please have a look at this. Thank you. Miracleimpulse 15:23, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

WP:AIV

Why did you remove Anita9341 rules? She is a sockpuppet of vandalism only account Anita934 and has a bad username? Sugarpine^t 15:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

O.K. Sugarpine^t 22:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Don Shula article

You may be confusing your facts, Shula in-fact led the Dolphins to five Super Bowl appearances not three. [1] I went ahead and changed back your earlier revert. Take care. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evill72 (talk • contribs) 04:34, September 14, 2006

Y-LOVE article

TO DEVILLE - BEFORE YOU TAKE IT UPON YOURSELF TO DELETE AN ARTICLE BECAUSE YOU CANT FIND ANYTHING ON THE PERSON, YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY DO SOME REAL RESEARCH! AS OF SEPTEMBER 11, 2006, THE DAY BEFORE YOU CHOSE TO DELETE Y-LOVE, HE IS THE WINNER OF THE 2006 JEWISH MUSIC AWARD FOR HIP HOP. CHECK OUT JEWLAPALOOZA AND THE OYHOO FESTIVAL. MAYBE YOU DON'T CONSIDER HIM NOTABLE, BUT MANY DO. APPARENTLY, YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO RESEARCH AS WELL AS YOU THINK! Somekindasprite 14:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, over 40 articles have been written about Y-LOVE, and he is being nominated for a second award by J-Vibe Magazine. At the Jewish Music Awards, he received more votes than Matisyahu, his competitor in the "Best Hip-Hop Category." -- Modular Moods Records

Go raibh maith agat!

File:Ireland 37 bg 061402.jpg

Hi there, Deville!

Thank you so much for supporting my RfA! It ended up passing and I'm rather humbled by the support (and a bit surprised that it was snowballed a day early!). Please let me know if I can help you out and I welcome any comments, questions, or advice you wish to share.

Sláinte!

hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 04:51, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the Irish congrats, mate! hoopydink^{Conas tá tú?} 22:37, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

TCU Library Scandal

If you'll excuse me, the article that you've just deleted DID have encyclopedic value. It was an accurate representation of the sequence of events that is relevant to anybody who might be searching for information about the actual events, which were published. It has historical value because it's affected University policy, is a "current event" as it documents the facts behind ongoing legal preceedings, and is of interest to students of this University, readers of the media in which it is published, as well as anyone else who may wish to know about a rather large scandal and coverup that may be present in the school they attend, the school they are considering attending, or a school that they wish to know more about. I request reinstatement of the article. It can be edited to seem less like an "invasion of privacy" (although it wasn't). You may say it's "NOR", however it is based on fact - and it has been published in the Star-Telegram. A link would be provided if the archives for that paper were free online, but they're not.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Anon76109 (talk • contribs)

Deville, you might like to look at this if you respond: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TCU library scandal. Viridae^Talk 05:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Anon76109, please do not delete another persons comments, it is very rude. Viridae^Talk 06:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

TCU Library Scandal on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of TCU Library Scandal. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.99.45 (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kumaranalloor Mani

A belated thanks for this one. Many of the admins would have decided to retain it on the basis of votes. Mayilattam is a very obscure art form and even if you live in Kerala, chances aren't very good that you are familiar with it (I think I have seen it twice in twenty odd years). Apart from me, there was only one vote from a person in Kerala and he chose to delete. We did try to get others from this part of the world to comment but they didn't, probably because they weren't sure themselves. Good decision to give more weight to the complete lack of evidence than to the votes of editors. Tintin (talk) 08:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/17 State Street

FYI, it looks like you forgot to remove the AFD tag and add a note in the talk page after closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/17 State Street. —Wknight94 (talk) 12:39, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Rocky Williform

Hello. I noticed you closed the AfD for Artesian Tea with a delete consensus; apparently it was a case of bundled pages. There's an AfD on this page pointing to the Artesian Tea discussion. Crystallina 13:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

202.7.176.130

thanks for looking at this! i think it's a shared i.p., so you get some vandalism there! Thanks for looking at it. CattleGirl 06:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Colston20

why was by post on kebabs removed??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Colston20 (talk • contribs) 08:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Iamthere

Thanks Deville for you changes. It certainly looks better. I will read the rules and addmore stuff.Thanks again.. Iamthere 22:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Siberian Language AfD

Thanks. I don't work on AfD closures that often, but when I do, I feel that the only appropriate thing is not to pick and choose which ones I close, so I close all of them that can be closed. That one was definitely tough. :) Cheers. Mangojuice^talk 02:05, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Michael allan article

Why did you delete the article on Michael Allan? Do you even know who he is??--M2THE 05:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC) I asked two questions.. And no you clearly dont know who he is if you deleted an article on him Oh okay, Thanks for that. Its annoying though becuase really you cant judge fairly whether he is notable or note if you dont even live in New Zealand.

Duplicate test2

Hey, I warned User talk:202.147.104.210 about the Eddie Murphy edit. Your warning is a duplicate of mine (I test2ed after the rvv). I won't remove it -- I'm not WP:BOLD at this time of the night -- just figured I'd point it out if you want to nix it. Thanks! --JStalk 07:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion review notification

I have asked for a deletion review of Walburgia. Since you closed the deletion discussion, I want to ask you to respond to the review. Aecis ^{Appleknocker Flophouse} 11:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Article

Hey Thank you for stubbing WIXO, i appreciate it. Just wondering, though, how did you get the page color from that blueish color to white? All of the articles are like that and my userpage, when i created it, is blue, and i can't get it to change to look more wikipedish. Plus, I'd like to know how to do it to articles i create later. Thanks- Temp

Block of 137.132.3.12

05:13, 19 September 2006, Deville (Talk) blocked 137.132.3.12 (contribs) (expires 12:13, 20 September 2006, account creation blocked) (repeated vandalism)

Would you consider changing the block to allow registered users to edit? Thanks --Rifleman 82 08:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It's alright. Thanks all the same. --Rifleman 82 17:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

ISPE

Why did you revert my edits to ISPE? --Shanedidona 22:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

• I think International Society of Pharmaceutical Engineering should get it's own page, and ISPE made a disambig. --Shanedidona 02:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. ISPE is now a disambig, as you can see. If you want to write an article on International Society of Pharmaceutical Engineering, please feel free, however the article which we had before (which, IIRC, contained only external links) was not enough; you need to add some content. --- Deville (Talk) 02:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Srikanth

• I had moved the article back to its original article 'Srikanth', after some vandal vandalized it and moved the page to 'Articles Nominated for Deletion' as probably he was not a fan of Srikanth. Thamizhan 07:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

User talk:213.249.155.228

Er, that's "test5" not "test-5". He/she seems to have stopped now, anyway. Thanks for the help. Mr Stephen 12:21, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

SouthieFL

I see you're accusing SouthieFL of blanking Glenn Greenwald. This looks incorrect. I checked the three edits SouthieFL made in the last 24 hours to this page and none involved page blanking. Crust 22:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Deville, for modifying your criticism at User talk:SouthieFL, though I think you should still be careful here. Presumably you are referring to SouthieFL deleting the section about alleged sockpuppetry (and also sometimes damaging formatting and/or deleting the references, etc. in the process; presumably these are newbie mistakes, not deliberate vandalism). This isn't adding nonsense (though perhaps in claiming this there is some older edit you have in mind that I missed). Whether it is vandalism is debatable. As you can see at the talk page of the article, there is debate about whether the section should be included. I personally think it probably should, but even so I have deleted the section at times, when I've been frustrated by a variety of incorrect, misleading and unencylopedic edits that this section seems to attract. Surely in a biography of a living person it is better to have no version of this section than a bad one. Regardless, as we have both recommended, SouthieFL should explain what s/he is doing in edit summaries and/or on Talk.Crust 14:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary

-) Thanks -- it was what was required at the time. It's like cooking "soul food," I just say the first thing that comes to mind, and I was annoyed because there were a few other anon "first edits" that were similarly childish over the past couple of days. Badagnani 05:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

300 degree club

You were so right... I can't read :)

--Cpt. Morgan (Reinoutr) 14:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Page Color

sure, no prob. like how my page is blue and your is, but articles are white, and when i made wixo, it was blue, and then i came back and it was white. if it's still too obscure, that's okay, the page is white now, so it doesn't really matter, it just seems lke all the articles have a color format- Temp

RfA thanks

Hey Deville, thank you for supporting my recent RfA. It finished with an amazing final tally of 160/4/1. I really appreciate your support. :) Cheers, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 11:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of Boy in the Bubble Sketch Comedy

I noticed that you deleted my article for All Sorts of Trouble for the Boy in the Bubble Sketch Comedy.

While I disagree with your determination that there is no evidence provided to prove that the article meets any Notability requirements (in the discussion, I feel that I gave a fairly competent demonstration that the article meets the Wikipedia:Notability (comedy) requirement for "Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city"-- as evidenced by the group's top ranking the Bloomington Reader's Poll that was cited in the article), I'm sure that you had your reasons for deletion.

However, if you won't consider reevaluating and possibly restoring the article on these grounds, I was wondering if you would mind restoring the article temporarily, so that I can move the wiki-coded information to another website, in something along the lines of a Content Review.

Best Regards, --GoodAaron 00:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

All Sorts of Trouble for the Boy in the Bubble Sketch Comedy on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of All Sorts of Trouble for the Boy in the Bubble Sketch Comedy. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.

Deletion of Empires of Ambition

So, you deleted the Empires of Ambition articles. I admit that it could be argued if EOA is big enough to have its own article on wikipedia (I agree with the removal of the Scarab article either way). But... you claim I'm the only one who wanted to keep it? You did read it thoroughly, didn't you? Because there was one other guy. Which is not much, but I do find it rather strange that you didn't notice his posts. --Grobtak 21:48, 01 October 2006

• It has been twelve days, and you still haven't replied to my objection. And yet, you have frequented and even edited this page. It seems obvious you are intentionally ignoring me. If you don’t respond to this message before 18 October, I will bring back the EOA article on grounds of the removing admin being too lazy to either read the discussion or the Objection to its deletion. Thank you. --Grobtak 18:12, 13 October 2006

What Grobtak says is true. I also proposed it be kept. Orky 16:32, 04 October 2006.