User talk:Deskana/Archive 12

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I beg your pardon

My addition of {{Blp}} to Talk:Jesus is perfectly valid. 141.157.82.181 03:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

• Oh no!! - Alison ☺ 04:11, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• If you have some substantive, concrete evidence to show that the subject is still alive, then we might entertain it. What are the possibilities that the subject may start a lawsuit against the Wikimedia Foundation? - Alison ☺ 04:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
• As someone who is quite certain that he is living, let me say that I am also pretty sure that (a) there's no lawsuit in the making, and (b) he has better things to do than keep his wikipedia page watchlisted. Pastordavid 20:58, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Thank goodness for point (a). As for (b), He's omnipresent, so I'd say it's on His watchlist. And you were wondering who was doing all the anon vandal reverts ;) - Alison ☺ 23:35, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I have proof that I'm not King of America

His contributions have Picross DS in it and I never have visited that page before. --Coconutfred73 05:25, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

pokemon merges

just wanted to ask if there's any reason to prefer merging histories over leaving them on redirect pages in cases of complicated histories (+2). I just moved Eevee evolutionary line out of my userspace and since it was made up of seven different articles, opted to just leave a link to them all on the talk page. Is there a policy or guideline prohibitng this? could you respond on my talk page? it seems yours is very active and i'd prefer to not watchlist it. -PokeZap (Zappernapper) 21:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

i'm sorry to bother you, but i just can't find anything that says source info needs to be in the history section of the new article. the only thing i could find regarding redircts and mergers was at WP:MERGE which states what i already thought, that redirects can be used to preserve histories. i tried to do a trivial edit and link everything in the edit summary but ran out of room. i think it would be better to leave the edit histories separate just because they're somewhat complicated... is there a way you can edit my past edit summaries? because then you could put in a permalink for each edit when i originally created the aticle. -PokeZap (Zappernapper) 13:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Talkheader

I don't know if this is helpful, do you have a bot that can add the talkheader template to all the article talk pages? I believe it is only for trivial articles anyway, not the policy/guideline-related pages. Lord Sesshomaru

The story that never ends

I confronted the mediator over this, as it's getting ridiculous. If he doesn't respond in the next few weeks after he's due back from his holiday, maybe you should file another arb request. John Smith's 00:27, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

My recent RfB

Thank you so much for your participation in my recent RfB. Though it closed with 72% support (below the required 90%), I'm still quite pleased at the outpouring of support shown by a fair percentage of the community.

I'm currently tabulating and calculating all opposing and neutral arguments to help me better address the community's concerns about my abilities as a bureaucrat. If you'd like, you can follow my progress (and/or provide additional suggestions) at User:EVula/admin/RfB notes. Thanks again! EVula // talk // ☯ // 04:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Upside down signature

Hi Deskana. I just saw your signature for the first time. Looks great! Have you received any complaints from stodgy Wikipedians? Are their any copycats? -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 07:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ-- ɹɐɟ os sʇuıɐƮdɯoɔ ou ʇnq ‘ʍǝıʌǝɹ ɹoʇıpǝ uɐ uo ‘ʇuǝɯɯoɔ ǝuo ʇoɓ I ¡ʇɐɔʎdoɔ ʎʇɹıp ǝɥʇ sı ɐuɐʞsǝp

So there are two of you! Thanks for the suggested signature, ɐqǝɟ, on my talk page. I may use it on special occasions. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 14:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

If only April 1 wasn't so far away... EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:31, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Question

Finally someone has the balls to try out for RFB! Would you mind answering the question I posited to your RFB? bibliomaniac15 ^{BUY NOW!} 23:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Busy at the minute but I'll check it out soon. --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 23:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I hate it when that happens. :) bibliomaniac15 ^{BUY NOW!} 00:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Need indef block for vandal only

I can't put this at AIV because the bot removes it, this account is blocked for 24 hours, but it has only done vandalism and spamming and needs an indef block. Thanks. Until(1 == 2) 01:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I did consider that (I'm the blocking admin), but I prefer to err on the side of caution. If the user continues spamming after this block, I will block indef. --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 01:11, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, it has been taken care of. Thanks. Until(1 == 2) 01:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Duhhh, sorry, I was thinking of a totally different situation. I'm not the blocking admin at all. Apologies. --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 01:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The RfA

You may want to read my response to you. :) Acalamari 01:50, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Heh, heh; don't worry about it! :) You may want to drop the support back down to 100, unless of course someone else supports before you have the chance to change it. Acalamari 02:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Striking that. Acalamari 02:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Font?

Hey Deskana, I was just wondering what font you're are using for your sig. Everytime I see your sig, all I see are squares and I'm wondering if I need to upgrade my fonts. If it's some language other than English, I won't bother... User:SGT Tex 02:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

According to Microsoft Word, it's a mix of Times New Roman and MS Mincho. I'd never even heard of the latter. I copied the characters from some website, I can't remember what now. I'll change it if I find out lots of people can't read it. Are you using Internet Explorer by any chance? It wouldn't surprise me if it didn't work in IE. If you are, get Firefox! It's better :-p --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 02:07, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Ha! Yep, I'm using IE. I know, I know, I'm stuck in the past, but hey, I'm resistent to change. So sue me...Tex02:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

LEGAL THREAT!!!! Sound the alarm. And get Firefox :-p --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 02:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't believe it's a matter of font, but of Unicode character support. see [http://www.tlg.uci.edu/help/UnicodeTest.html this test page (scroll down past the font list) --_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ 02:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

OK...now I (think) I know why it's not showing up on my browser, but what do you recommend I do to make it show up correctly?Tex02:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Look up guides on how to make unicode work, maybe check out the computing reference desk. It will depend a lot on your browser, OS, etc. It might be as simple as View -> Character Encoding -> Uunicode, or it might be more complex --_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ 02:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How about changing your signature so that all Wikipedians can see it? A•N•N•A hi! 02:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of things on Wikipedia that rely on Unicode support. There is no reason to discriminate against one type. The signature is still usable, even if it's a bunch of boxes, so it's not worth complaining about. --_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ 02:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I didn't mean to cause a ruckus, I just wasn't seeing the sigs and I thought it would be easy to fix. Sorry to make a big deal about everything. Sheesh, just drop it...Tex02:38, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry. You didn't do anything wrong :-) --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 03:54, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry!

Sorry for voting twice! I got mixed up. --Banana 03:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I forgive you ;-) --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 03:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

RfB question

I've asked an optional question on your RfB, the same as I have asked of all current RfB candidates. Walton^talk 14:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I've opposed you, based on your answer to the question. It's nothing personal; I am using the same question as a litmus test for every bureaucrat-candidate. See wikidemocratism for a better explanation of why I am voting this way. Walton^talk 14:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I knew you'd oppose anyway, even before you asked the question. --Deskana (talk) 14:29, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How? Walton^talk 14:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

EVula's RfB. You asked the same question there. You should read what Cecropia said on EVula's RfB in response to your question. --Deskana (talk) 14:34, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - I missed Cecropia's comments, and I'm glad you notified me. I've given a response to Cecropia's query here. I understand that it seems unfair to ask a candidate to decide on such a controversial issue - but I don't even understand why it was a controversial issue. Indeed, I don't see why we can't have an automated bot instead of bureaucrats, as I explained on Cecropia's talkpage. Walton^talk 14:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

This is a matter which has been discussed at great lengths on WT:RFA. Were you involved in the discussion? I'm pretty sure someone recommended we switch over to the German system. I asked you a question on my RfB, too. This is the reason RfBs have been failing so much. Anyone that says its a vote gets shot down by people saying "It's NOT a vote!" (Dmcdevit, for instance). Anyone that says it isn't gets shot down by people saying "It should be a vote!". Do you really think I'd be a bad bureaucrat, bsaed on the fact that I thought an RfA so close to the discretionary zone should pass, considering the fact I supported it? I did say I wouldn't involve myself in the bureaucrat chat. If you really think I'd be an awful bureaucrat, then I won't pester you further. --Deskana (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, you're not "pestering me", I'm happy to discuss this at length. And no, I don't think you'd be an "awful" bureaucrat, per se. You're a good admin - a better one than I am - and I do not believe that you would ever act in bad faith, or intentionally abuse your powers. If you were running for ArbCom or the Board, I would support you. However, I believe the current bureaucrat system is a problem. It genuinely worries me that admins and bureaucrats - who ought to be functionaries to carry out the expressed will of the community - are becoming too powerful in their own right. And, in response to your other comment, I know RfB is a fairly unpleasant and wikipolitical process. It's rather like a Senate confirmation hearing for the US Supreme Court - wherever you stand on abortion or affirmative action, you get shot down by either the conservative or liberal camp. But that's how it has to be, given the massive power that bureaucrats currently exercise. Sorry about this lengthy post - I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't be hurt by my Oppose vote. I have confidence in you generally, I just can't support you to be a bureaucrat at this time. Walton^talk 14:55, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I should also clarify that, although the question was about Danny's RfB, it was just an example - I was using it as a litmus test to see where you stood generally on RfA closures, as I did for all the other candidates. Walton^talk 14:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad that despite this (rather large) agreement, we both understand that the other is acting in good faith. In some respects, I wish everyone was like us. Disputes frequently turn into arguments about AGF rather than actually about the dispute. Anyway, I find it a bit puzzling that you find it acceptable that no RfBs are passing. I wonder whether you like this because when there are no bureaucrats available for promotions, you'll propose a bot system and expect it to be accepted? Secondly, Danny's RfB is only "against the consensus of the community" if you assume RfA is a vote, which it isn't. I know you want it to be, but it is a statement of fact that at present, RfA isn't a vote simply because there have been passes with lower support than fails. --Deskana (talk) 15:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I am very selective about RfBs. However, I'm not sure it's any longer true to say that "no RfBs are passing", as I think yours may well pass, as may some of the others recently opened. Also note that I have offered Weak Support to A Man in Black on his RfB; he cleverly avoided giving a straight answer to my question, but he has at least accepted the broad numerical thresholds of 70-80%. So this isn't all some devious plan to bring the bureaucrat system crashing down. :-) To your other point, I agree that it's good that we each recognise each other's good faith. I also recognise that the bureaucrats who promoted Danny acted in good faith, it's just that their idea of what improves the encyclopedia is different from mine on one issue - but that doesn't make them, or you, bad editors. Walton^talk 15:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

RfBs have a habit of crashing and burning. Although mine hasn't done that yet, I never did expect it to pass. I apologise if I implied you have a evil master plan, that's not quite what I meant. --Deskana (talk) 15:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Re Cecropia's follow-up question, I thought it was addressed to you? It was listed as a follow-up, and referred to "your answer", so I thought it was aimed at you. Sorry if I misunderstood. Walton^talk 17:59, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How silly of me. --Deskana (talk) 18:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Hornetman16

Sorry, I'm just really frustrated with him right now. That probably was inappropriate, but he really seemed like he was going to change for the better. I'm more disappointed with him than anything else at this point --_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ 15:37, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

List of characters in Ed, Edd n Eddy

Hi. Did you (or somebody else) unprotect this page? Some bot deleted the protection tag. It has been SO nice and peaceful since you protected it a few weeks ago. -- Elaich ^talk 16:45, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The protection expired yesterday. --Deskana (talk) 16:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

And the page has gone to hell in a handbasket in a big hurry. This page needs continual semi-protect. The IP editors bash it to death. -- Elaich ^talk 05:20, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

no

I don't listen to anything Michael mad ans Sonic hog has to saySonicrules3 17:02, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

What? --Deskana (talk) 17:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Question on RfB

I answered your question on my RfB, and ended up rambling on about ignoring rules and the spirit of policy, but you said an open answer was good so I left it there. :-) --ɐuɐʞsəp (ʞɿɐʇ) 05:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I wanted to leave it open because I felt like I wanted to hear your response to it now, but really couldn't formulate the proper question. For what it's worth, I thought you answered well and generally I agree with your philosophy.

I noted this on the RfB, but I really did go through your contribs heavy since you seem to be a serious candidate for RfB. From all I can see you are more than qualified. I'm hoping that you earn 'cratship.

This is a very busy talk page today...The orange bar of death usually sends me into a panic attack, so I don't envy you ;-) Good luck to you, daveh4h 17:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I generally have quite a busy talk page anyway, as I tend to get involved in quite a few matters at once, and there's a portion of editors who come to me about anything admin related as I'm generally quicker than a thread on ANI. What's funny is that in the 5 minutes I spent writing this, I got a message from someone else! Typically, I can keep myself busy on Wikipedia simply by only responding to talk page requests. :-) --Deskana (talk) 17:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Sonicrules3

Let be elaborate Deskana, that was Sonicrules3, a sock of Sonicrules2, a troll, and a obvious storyteller. Refer to his talk page for more info. Michael,me,and Sonic Hog are trying to get him blocked from editing Wikipedia, so we came to you for assistance. User:Merope had already blocked him, then he came back. Check his contribs to see all of the nonsense he has added to Wikipedia. --User:Atomic Religione

Will do. --Deskana (talk) 17:09, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I am been telling you that my friend took my password when I was Sonicrules2 so I will not stop until I find himSonicrules3 17:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

just ignore him Deskana he's been at it for ages. --User:Atomic Religione

Please provide a few diffs showing the similarities between the accounts, Atomic Religione. --Deskana (talk) 17:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

But it is trueSonicrules3 17:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Tell you what then. Do something useful and I'll let it drop. So far you've just been rambling on about stuff on talk pages that's mostly unrelated to the article, and of your only two mainspace edits, one was a blanking. So, go edit some articles and revert some vandalism and there'll be no problem. --Deskana (talk) 17:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Between Sonicrules2 and 3? Well 1. this http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ALuigifan&diff=142243205&oldid=142017757 2. the name 3.the edits,and the manner of speech --User:Atomic Religione

I am sorry to question your judgement, but it is clear he is not here to better Wikipedia. if you could just keep a close watch on him then. -sigh- -User:Atomic Religione

Here and here. Both Sonic Rules 2 and 3 have made comments on this talk page demanding its deletion and both used a similar manner of speech. Michael Mad 17:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Given the fact he was blocked for death threats and hasn't edited usefully, I've blocked him indef. Please prod me if more socks show up. --Deskana (talk) 17:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Will do. Michael Mad 17:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed --ÄtΘmicR€£igione^sїgñ

How much is enough?

Roitr keeps making anon IP edits to a wide number of articles, mainly of military ranks. His ISP dynamically changes his IP so he can't be blocked at the source. The only way this guy is going to be kept from vandalizing is if we stop him from being able to anon IP his chosen targets. His targeted articles have been subject to his disruption off and on for over a year now. Those articles are also stable articles save for his edits. About the only thing they lack is better sourcing. Caerwine Caer’s whines 17:35, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Two or three edits in the past few days per article isn't enough, I know that much. I will watch the articles if you wish, and attempt to see if there is a discernable pattern in his IPs, so I can block a range. --Deskana (talk) 17:36, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried mailing his IP, with the times of the edits? They might be able to get him on abuse of services. I know of at least two people that have been kicked off their ISPs for abusing a forum like this- I know of a guy who actually got banned from libraries where he lives for abusing their internet --_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ 17:40, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

His IP ranges are known, see Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Roitr. He attacks a variety of related articles, so while his attacks per article per day may not meet your threshold, his total attacks per day surely must. If Wikipedia can't get his ISP to boot him, I don't see any means of stopping him from doing his disruption other than semi-protecting his targets, and at least in the case of military rank articles, the information is stable enough that forcing anon IP's to use the talk pages is far less onerous in my opinion. If you still refuse to semi-protect, where can I appeal this decision? Caerwine Caer’s whines 17:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

If you wish for this issue to have wider exposure, I'd recommend posting on WP:ANI. I'm happy to follow the consensus decided there. At present, I feel the activity is insufficient to sprotect such a wide amount of pages. I would be happy to comment there. --Deskana (talk) 17:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

How silly of me. --Deskana (talk) 18:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Silly? Caerwine Caer’s whines 18:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I put that in the wrong place, I thought Walton had started a new thread but he'd replied to an already existing one. --Deskana (talk) 18:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Can you help me with an article?

I've got an article here with a messed up edit history. Can you take a take a look at it and tell me what's happened? - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 20:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Rickrolled! --Deskana (talk) 20:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Disregard that, I'm an idiot! --Deskana (talk) 21:03, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

sage sage sage sage sage sage sage - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 21:13, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST Lurk moar --_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ 21:16, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:RFA/ACL 2

Hello Deskana; thanks for your support, sorry, your double support, in my RfA. Glad to see your RfB is doing well. I hope it passes! :) Acalamari 23:05, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

I now feel I have to oppose your candidacy but I very much appreciate your honesty and forthrightness. Haukur 23:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm expecting many more opposes, so don't worry. --Deskana (talk) 23:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

IRC

Sorry, I had to run myself :) I'm around now but it's probably fairly late where you are. It's OK. Cheers, ~ Riana ⁂ 01:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Deskana signed off a bit ago to go to sleep, Riana --_ʇuǝɯɯoɔɐqǝɟ 01:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

That's OK :) Maybe you can help me, feba, would you mind taking a look at Hornetman's draft userpage? As clarification I still find it obnoxious but I'd like someone else to have a look as well. ~ Riana ⁂ 01:27, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Your RfB

Based on your further clarification after Cecropia's follow-up question, I've changed to Support. So far I'm supporting A Man in Black, you and Husond, and opposing Ral and Andrevan. Walton^talk 08:53, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I see. Thank you for your consideration. --Deskana (talk) 12:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'd also say you're the best of the current front-runners - my preferred candidate, Husond, doesn't seem to be passing (tho' it's too early to determine that yet). Good luck. Walton^talk 16:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. We just have to see how it goes, as RfBs are not certain until they're over. --Deskana (talk) 16:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:SIGN

Hello Deskana,

I disagree with your removal of the template {{disambig}}. I do not think that it would make a self-reference, since disambiguation pages are not considered to be articles; besides, the template would be useful by categorizing the page and indicating its status. Please also note that several meta pages contain this template.[1] Cheers, Korg (talk) 02:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Optional question at RFB

Thanks for answering that. I think your answer was satisfactory. Cheers, and the very best of luck with your RFB (which does, I might add, have quite a nice possibility of passing). -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 21:06, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Well, maybe I should say that it is looking one of the, if not the likeliest to pass. Unfortunately, I'm going to have a lot to catch up on as far as these RFB results are concerned when I return from my 7 day holiday. Cheers, -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 21:15, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank You

The first box I saw was 'I made this myself' (or some such). Duke53 | ^Talk 05:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Michael mad

Please tell him I am not going to do anything I am here to help I just need a few tips so I know what to doAtomicmadhog 16:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, i cant listen to this BS anymore, Atomicmadhog its obvious you are Sonicrules 3, so stop trying. --User:Atomic Religione

German userbox solution

very well. i'll go with the German "Final Solution", just give me some time, as my computer's in the shop for repairs. I wanted exactly what User:Riana/Browsebar shows. I need a bit of help with it. RingtailedFox • Talk • Stalk 16:21, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

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Photo editing

could you intervene in the edit war going on at the photo editing page please ? - it has been going on far too long and has become extremely tedious. two editors are guilty of 3RR.

3tmx 07:56, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Your RfB

Looks like you may pass - you're over the 85% mark, but some say 90% is the threshold these days. I wanted to ask your advice; at some distant time in the future (say Christmas/New Year) would it be worth me running for bureaucratship? Or do you think my views on voting would cause a snowball? Walton^talk 13:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't thinking about running now - I certainly don't have enough experience as an admin yet, having only been one for 3 months. What I was asking was whether you think I would ever be considered as a bureaucrat. In terms of the questions, I can tell you that my answer to Q1 would list only one criterion for promotion: achieving 75% or more Support votes from good-faith established users. I know I would draw some opposes purely for this statement, but the question is whether most people would trust me enough to support regardless of disagreeing with my views. Walton^talk 13:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your advice. I recently created the essay wikidemocratism on the Meta-Wiki, which explains why I believe that RfA should be a vote. Nonetheless, I think you're right that I would get a lot of knee-jerk opposes, so I probably won't bother unless things change dramatically in the next few months. Walton^talk 13:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Sonicrules1000

He is back under a new name I thought I better tell you he called me a freak and is threating Michael madMountainD 13:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Cometstyles

Deskana, why did you revert Raul654 when he removed Cometstyles RfA? -- Cecropia 20:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

"Something Twinkle related"? Do I really want to know about this? Nevermind. ;-) -- Cecropia 20:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations

Thank you to everyone who voted on my RfB. I'm not a big fan of mass talk page posts anymore, so please accept my thanks here! --Deskana (talk) 22:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Deskana!--Chaser - T 21:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

D'oh... second. Yes congrats... unless my math/consensus reading is off! Flyguy649 ^talk _contribs 21:12, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I have promoted you to bureaucratship. By now, I suppose, you know how to use all the buttons correctly. Drop me a line if you have any questions :) Raul654 21:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks! --Deskana (talk) 21:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations to the new bureaucrat! WP:100 as well! :) Acalamari 21:16, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations! :D FunPika 21:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You have new messages! You did it! Andre (talk) 21:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Orange bar. :) Congratulations! --Durin 21:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, Deskana! I'm quite jealous. ;) EVula // talk // ☯ // 21:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats. Enjoy the orange bar to doom for a while - then try out the tools at WP:CHU ;-) ... WjBscribe 21:19, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Finally a b-crat promotion :p, congrats Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 21:21, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Wield us! Wield us!

Congratulations on your most successful RfB, Deskana. :-) I'm glad that finally someone made it through. I'm sure that you'll keep up your great work as a bureaucrat. Here are your new crat tools, the squeegee, sponge and chalk. Have fun! :-) Festive regards, Húsönd 21:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats, Deskana, and be sure to work hard in your new role :) Majorly (talk) 21:34, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Good things happen to good people. Congratulations Deskana. You deserve it #23. -- bulletproof ^3:16 21:47, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Likewise, congrats :) Gracenotes^T § 21:51, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! Well deserved! Good luck with the tools! Ryan Postlethwaite 21:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! Have fun with the wrenches (I believe that's the bcrat equivalent of the mop and bucket). J-stan ^Talk 21:55, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yay! :) I knew you'd make it! It was about time we had a new crat, and I can hardly think of anyone more worthy than you. Best of luck, dear Deskana! Phaedriel - 22:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[2] I see you did a couple renames already. Also, it would appear that you usurped a name with 2 edits. I think that is a bad thing. FunPika 22:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

You have no idea how scared I was of doing that! I only picked that one because WJBscribe tagged it as "may be performed by a bureuacrat at any time" :-p --Deskana (talk) 22:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I should have looked at the request before saying "I think that is a bad thing." :P FunPika 22:11, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations from me too! ElinorD (talk) 22:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Neutral To avoid the pile-on! Best wishes with your new duties; the first new 'crat in a long while and hopefully not the last! (aeropagitica) 22:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, someone passed! Congrats. Wizardman 22:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

• Fantastic -- Agathoclea 22:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations Deskana! NikoSilver 22:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

This is starting to get old, but...congrats! Just don't sysop Willy on Wheels. :) — Malcolm ^talk 22:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Grats man! I was surprised to see you at WP:CHU, and then I realized your RfB had just ended. Good luck as a 'crat. :) Nishkid64 (talk) 23:03, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Very many congratulations on your well-deserved promotion. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 23:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats!! Good luck! Клоун 23:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats again. :) And if you want to try your hand with an RFA or an RFB there is an RFA ready to close in about 2 hours and an RFB ready to close in 10 minutes. FunPika 00:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I've voted in most of the RfBs, and as such am not willing to close them. I also need to be awake in eight hours so I'm not sure I'll be around to close that RfA. --Deskana (talk) 00:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay. It is your decision (BTW you didn't vote in Andrevan's). Andrevan said he would be honored to have you do your first close on his RFB if you look at WT:RFA however. :) FunPika 00:38, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats! Kwsn^(Ni!) 01:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Congrats 'crat Deskana. It has a nice ring to it. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 01:44, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on your successful RfB, Deskana. I'm glad someone made it through! All the best, Anas ^talk? 02:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Please help

I made a template for the group The Diplomats and have also contributed to the page. User:Shadyaftrmathgunit has made several drastic and unneded changes to the page without discussion. I dont want to get into an edit war but he does not listen to my comments. please, can you help me with this situation and hopefully resolve it?--BaRiMzI 22:26, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, seems to have worked itself out.--BaRiMzI 22:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Okay, do contact me again if you need help. --Deskana (talk) 22:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfB

Thank you, Deskana, for participating in my RfB, which ended unsuccessfully with a final tally of (80/22/3). I shall continue to work on behalf of the community's interests and improve according to your suggestions. Most sincere regards, Húsönd 22:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Obrigado, Deskana, por participares no meu RfB, que terminou sem sucesso com um resultado final de (80/22/3). Continuarei a trabalhar em prol dos interesses da comunidade e a melhorar segundo vossas sugestões. Calorosos cumprimentos, Húsönd 22:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Thanks • Obrigado • Gracias • Merci • Danke • Спасибо • Tack • Kiitos Esker • Köszönöm • Takk • Grazie • Hvala • ありがとう • 謝謝 • 谢谢

CHU

Hi again. See [3]. If I'm not mistaken, the desired username does not exist. I'm guessing you confused it with the the current username? Nishkid64 (talk) 23:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Your RFB

Congratulations on a successful RFB nomination!!! =)

Politics rule 00:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

• Congrats on your RfB. Hope you continue doing a great job :) --Malevious Userpage •Talk Page• Contributions 00:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Another (late) congratulations. FPT 14:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

YEAH!!!

YEAAAHH!!!! I knew you could do it. Miranda 02:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Not to be consumed when closing RfAs, I hope. :o But congratulations! – Luna Santin (talk) 02:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Deskana - I knew you could do it. Please reply - how many of you got promoted?? WOW! Ecellent! I'm sure you will make a great crat! -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 02:50, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Or perhaps to be consumed just before closing a really controversial RfA? :p Congratulations! Black Falcon ^(Talk) 03:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

You may want to update your adoption status. Miranda 03:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Oh my freakin' God, someone actually passed RfB! Congratulations! All the best with it :) ~ Riana ⁂ 03:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Hurray! Congrats, Deskana! =D --Iamunknown 08:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

We did it! Andre (talk) 09:46, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting the tools Deskana, use them well! Camaron1 | Chris 13:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Well done. We're so proud. -- Y not? 01:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:CHU

Hi Deskana, and congratulations! Call on me for any matter involving bureaucratiness. Seriously! I'm glad to see you and Andre are already getting your feet wet in WP:CHU, since that is what everyone's been eyeballing. If you have any question on matters of namechange policy, ring up User:WjBscribe, who does the best of the clerking, IMO. If you're really in doubt, you can leave a particular request alone. On WP:CHU/U make sure the change is "ripe"--i.e., has passed its 7th day, unless the clerks advise otherwise. Don't sweat too much, if one of us really messes up a namechange, it can be reversed, though we would like to avoid that. Cheers, Cecropia 19:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou

Thanks for changing my username, I appreciate it. Exxolon 22:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thanks and congrats yourself! -- But|seriously|folks  23:29, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

New Sonicrules

User:Sonicadvance, is an obvious sock of Sonicrules, what with the name and description on his userpage (resembling all of his other odd descriptions on his socks pages). Check it out, if you would please. --User:Atomic Religione

Yep, it is too obvious. He is messing with users Sonicrules and his numberous socks were. Not to mention his grammar. You can tell Sonicrules' socks by just taking a look how this guy expresses himself. So as Atomic said, would you bother paying him a visit? Pvd21 ^talk←|_→contrib 08:57, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reverting all of his nonsense, is there a way to completley ban his IP adress? Please block this guy soon. Thanks. --User:Atomic Religione

Have you already blocked him? Michael Mad said you did, so i am putting an indef block template on his userpage. --User:Atomic Religione

Help?

I can't format correctly the "Things you can do" box at the very bottom of the Dragon Ball portal. It's quite complicated. Lord Sesshomaru

Oh, you never got back at me regarding User_talk:Deskana#Talkheader. Lord Sesshomaru

I'll try and take a look at the portal later. And regarding talkheader: It's only really useful if it's not on every article talk header, otherwise people will ignore it. It needs to be significantly unusual for people to read it. --Deskana (talk) 17:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I was hoping you would respond back this time. Lord Sesshomaru

Sockpuppet

User:24.154.77.207 has admitted to being a JB sockpuppet, both of his edits were on my talkpage telling me to contact him on AIM. So he should be banned (since his long-term abuse report says that his accounts and IP's should be banned on sight). Lrrr IV 04:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Not much point now, he's not edited since and since he seems to IP hop, there's no point in blocking that IP. --Deskana (talk) 14:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for closing my nomination

THANKS for closing my successful nomination to be a sysop. I will do my best! old windy bear 14:19, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Yet another Sonicrules sock

User:CrashBandicootfan, he went straight to Michael Mads talk page. Please tend to him, thanks. --User:Atomic Religione

Deskana i reliase you are busy but please tend to this as it seems you havent yet. --User:Atomic Religione

I have, I blocked the user about 7 hours ago. By the way, can you please sign using four tildes, if you're on my talk page? I like to have dates to comments. Thanks. --Deskana (talk) 08:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, but if i may make a suggestion, put the indef blocked template on the socks of his that you block, as I would have no way of knowing without having to ask you. Later. Atomic Religione 17:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you very much for your participation in my recent unsuccessful RfA. I am very grateful for all of the advice, and hope that it will help me grow as an editor. Also, congratulations on your successful RfB! :) Sincerely, Neranei ^T/C 11:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Image status

Hi Deskana - (congrats on the promotion btw) I know you have some experience with images and there is a bit of a fight going on over this one [4]. The fair use justification looks pretty feeble to me and a long time user has been blocked just for making sure the speedy delete tag stays there until it is reviewed (the blocking admin didn't seem to think anyone needed to bother with "hangon"). Could you take a peek at it as my gut instinct would be delete but this has obviously become a bit of a hot topic. Thanks Sophia 17:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look. --Deskana (talk) 18:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it - hopefully an expert will come along as I know this is one of the big problems here. I have seen images deleted for less so that is why I suspect it is not fair use. Sophia 18:53, 15 July 2007 (UTC)