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Your references for Harbor Airlines

Dear Dennis, thanks for having provided us with additional sources. But I have a problem with the two headlines "Searchers Expand Hunt No Word On Missing Plane" and "Plane With Five Aboard Is Missing" (please note that I have re-located the currently unused content to the talk page rather than the article itself). Are you sure that this is really about the airline in question? I cannot investigate further, because a subscription is needed. The only fatal accident of Harbor Airlines happened in 1974, near Seattle Airport (so the location of the wreckage was known), whilst your two refs seem to refer to an event from 1990. Best regards--FoxyOrange (talk) 21:13, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're right. Harbor Air Services was a small family air taxi in Alaska. See Wikipedia:HighBeam and Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange for how you can get access to paid databases like HighBeam, Credo, Questia and so on. Or have another editor share it with you. There's usually a lot of options whenever you run into a paywall. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:21, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Product recall

With regard to Product Recalls (Pharmaceutical Industry), per Wikipedia's rules, material from government sources and public laws does not fall under copyright because it is in the public domain. Lodder (talk) 17:07, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

See plagiarism. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:22, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

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Back Street Heroes edit

Thank you for your comments on the edit on the Back Street Heroes page. One of the living people referred to is myself and the information added is factual and accurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SettingStraight (talk • contribs) 15:20, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not publish anybody's personal observations and experiences. Any addition must be published in a reliable third party source, so that it is verifiable. You are using Wikipedia as a soapbox and if you continue you will be blocked from editing. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:55, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

I am mostly certainly not using Wikipedia as 'a soapbox'. The current Wikipedia entry for Back Street Heroes is misleading and inaccurate but it appears you are happy with that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SettingStraight (talk • contribs) 08:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes. I don't have a problem with it. Please read WP:verifiability not truth for an explanation of why Wikipedia works this way. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:30, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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I was just creating this template and noticed that several large Seattle parks haven't yet had articles created. Also the very tiny Westlake Square (not Westlake Park) former underground comfort station[1][2], and what appears to be the smallest park in Seattle, ~175 square foot Lakeview Place[3]. Thought you might be interested. Cheers and hope you're having a festive solstice. — Brianhe (talk) 07:29, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Cruise Ship edit 12/26/13

Hi Dennis! I edited "cruise ship" because I thought it would be important to show what a revolution the "Quantum of the Seas" will be. However. I understand if this is not encyclopedic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.50.132.217 (talk) 23:38, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

I see the bumper cars are real, but I'm not so sure about the bungee jumping. In any case, the best thing is to cite a reliable source and then you won't have any worries. Or go to Talk:Quantum-class cruise ship and discuss with others to help verify which activities the ships will have. And please avoid peacock terms like "revolutionary" in articles; simply give the facts and cite neutral experts for their opinions on how world-changing the new ship features might be. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:18, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

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I rounded up the sources we discussed today at Edwin J. Brown#Further reading with relevant quotes ... over to you to work on the article if you care to. — Brianhe (talk) 01:25, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for fixing my incomplete revert

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Thanks for fixing my incomplete revert of List of collective nouns in English‎. I hit revert without noticing the changes were done by two separate IP addresses (so my single revert just fixed the last minor change). Caidh (talk) 17:10, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Quiet reflection

Here is a CC of a message I left on Arrivisto's talk page: "On reflection, now that passions have cooled, it seems to me that this exchange included intemperate and inappropriate language directed at the editor Arrivisto (sometimes avoiding the word 'you' results in awkward syntax). I am going to ask the editor Dennis Bratland what his views are. If it were me, I would consider an apology--but then I am not a young aggressively competitive motorcycle rider. Meantime, a cookie (left on his page)."

I would add here that Arrivisto according to his self-description is apparently a senior citizen, as well as a respected teacher, and that without commenting on the substance of the controversy, it does seem that his attempted edits were not vandalism; they evince good faith.ElijahBosley ^{(talk ☞)} 14:06, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I have to speak elliptically to avoid WP:OUTING, but there is a reason I left Arrivisto this COI notice. -- Brianhe (talk) 16:20, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll only add that when someone has been asked a dozen times to follow the policy of verifiability, and they still go on insisting they won't, it doesn't matter if their intentions are good or not. It's the same as vandalism. I'm still waiting for a reply to my suggestion for moving forward to resolved the disupte at Talk:Types of motorcycles#Issue 1. I think the disagreements can be resolved if we take them one at a time. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:20, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Again--I have no position on the substance of the dispute, or verifiability. The language used was:

"What the fuck? Who cares? Your opinions about this source don't belong here."

and

". . . now you are trying to undermine the source by implying that they are unreliable because they are academics or Scottish (really, what the fuck?)."

If on reflection this appears to have been regretable, amends can quickly and easily be made. With best wishes,ElijahBosley ^{(talk ☞)} 17:37, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Its been over 48 hours, and while this editor has edited elsewhere in the interim, there is no apparent action on this particular item. Perhaps a slightly stronger nudge is in order. As follows: profanity is is one of the few kinds of incivility that can result an instant block. There is a simple procedure for repudiating one's own uncivil comments, on sober second thought. And whether something like a handshake and "I regret my loss of my usual composure" would help smooth ruffled feathers, is worth considering.ElijahBosley ^{(talk ☞)} 15:11, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you want, but you're not going to get it here. A productive use of your time might be to offer an alternative revision of the introduction of Types of motorcycles. He thinks it's poorly written, though I think other editors are fine with it. You could also create an article at Standard motorcycle, or pick one of the open tasks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Motorcycling/to do.

If you insist on persisting with whatever it is you want from this discussion, please take it to a more appropriate forum, such as one of the noticeboards. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Motorcycle_Company

Dennis

Shame. It would be nice for people to know what is going on at Norton. Do you not think that these links are relevant?

Note - the link http://www.cycleworld.com/2013/03/16/norton-motorcycles-announces-new-world-headquarters/ says that Norton has Purchased Donington Hall which I don't believe to be the case. Also, Pierre Terblanche has left Norton and I Vince Cable didn't underwrite a loan for £7.5M. There is incorrect information on the site which I feel needs correcting.

Is your interest in Wikipedia or Norton (or motorcycles generally)? Premier Aerospace (talk) 13:26, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments at open forums are self-published sources. Generally, the same is true of personal blogs. You'd need to cite an independent, source that meets Wikipedia's standards Identifying reliable sources. We're probably going to stick with the Motorcycle News August 10th 2011 source for Tereblanche unless you've got a better sources that contradicts it. Wikipedia simply reflects what's been published in major media.

Please remember, Wikipedia is not a news site, and it's not the whole Internet. Other people can find blogs, forums and other sites just like you did. It isn't necessary for it all to go here. Feel free to improve the article but stick with what is in good sources. By all means, discuss at Talk:Norton Motorcycle Company so you can find out what other editors think; they won't all agree with me on everything. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:11, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

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Cornerstone Motorcycle Ministry

Can you prevent the Wiki page above from being edited by WeAreFaithful, unfortunately every time I check on the page it is changed back to an untrue statement. I would prefer not to have to undo his/her edits every couple of hours to keep the page genuine.

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avergobbe (talk • contribs) 19:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Neither of you is making the article better. It's clear that you're both laboring under a conflict of interest. Neither side is citing reliable sources. You are both using the article as a soapbox to push a point of vie that is irrelevant to creating a good encyclopedia. This is a violation of the policy Wikipedia is not a battleground: you've carried a private fight here to Wikipedia. I've reverted the article back to the best sourced version. Please do not add any more unsourced content. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Below is the state of NH website concerning my position as President of Cornerstone Outreach Ministries, Inc. https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/SearchResults.asp?FormName=CorpNameSearch&Words=Starting&SearchStr=Cornerstone+Outreach&SearchType=Search Below is the United States Patent and Trademark Office link verifying ownership of Cornerstone MM (Motorcycle Ministry) to the parent corporation Cornerstone Outreach Ministries. http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4801:yl8rer.2.1 Thank you for considering, I am not attempting to use this as a soapbox, I am only trying to state facts. Whoever is on the other side is trying to discredit this organization. Avergobbe (talk) 22:02, 28 January 2014 (UTC)AVergobbe

Neither side belongs on Wikipedia. It's your fight. Keep it out of here. People read the article to find out what the hell Cornerstone Motorcycle Ministry is. Nobody but you guys care who owns the trademarks and who is the real president. Another way of putting it is that we only care what has been published in newspapers, books, and magazines. Get the media to care about your legal fight, and we can cover it. Otherwise, take it outside. Both of you. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:20, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductive_charging

Hi Dennis

I can see that you removed the link I created to the "How inductive charging works" resource at the following link:

PowerbyProxi: Wireless Charging

If this doesn't already help in various ways with understanding how the technology works, would you be able to tell me how we could get it there? I appreciate your note - I look forward to your response.

Thanks Rob — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nzrobert (talk • contribs) 13:02, 29 January 2014‎

Please read WP:ADV. You should not add links to any site where you have a conflict of interest. You should read Wikipedia:External links and then go to Talk:Inductive charging and request that the link be added to the article, and provide your reasons why you think the link meets the External links guidelines. Please also make clear your association with Power by Proxi so that nobody feels you are hiding something. I think the link is advertising and doesn't belong on the article, but others might disagree with me, and so you have opportunity to give your reasons and see if you can win consensus in favor of keeping the link. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 21:11, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

0 to 60 mph

Hi Dennis, i would like to understand difference between spam and non-spam links. Lets take this wiki page as an example https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=0_to_60_mph&action=history Wiki user: Wikitra stated that "Linked website looks empty. No relevant content." I notice user: Maxguide contributed non promotional content with <ref> link to a content page and it does not look spam to me, just a simple car/auto site with interesting article. So removing ref links is same as not accepting contributors content and not giving them credit for his/her free work? So what is the point of my contribution if I've decided that content and links are ok but you've decided its spam, does not look fair. I would appreciate if you can respect my contributions as well as my decision, please revert that back. Dennis Bratland (talk) 05:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by J.vayner (talk • contribs) 04:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Sites like this are not reliable. They are aggregators who throw together data from other sources and then toss some ads on the page. In this case, it's an indiscriminate collection of YouTube links. For citations on the Audi article, they're useless because they don't tell us specifically who said what. You're expected to poke around and watch 15 videos to figure out which one is being cited. And the source isn't anybody at 0to60.co. It's some other show. That leads to WP:COPYLINK; a whole separate reason not to link to 0to60.co. They don't own the copyright of the TV shows their using. Then there's this] collection of opinions. Who wrote it? We can't evaluate the source if we don't know the name of the author, the editor or the publisher. You might be able to do research via a site like this, though I think it's a time waster, but regardless, you can't cite it or link to it on Wikipedia. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 05:21, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your clarification! I'll try to learn more about this. Regarding copyrighted material. From my understanding TV shows are from Youtube and copyright holders have power to disable or enable the use of video content in embed format, so if the video on Youtube (or any other site) has the embed option available then it is fair game for copyright holder and the distributor. Anyway, thank you! Joshua D Vayner (talk) 06:42, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

No, see WP:YOUTUBE. It depends who copied and uploaded the video. There is no chance that a sketchy site like zeroto60.co has bothered to check that all those videos are legitimate copies. A good place to discuss this is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles. Other editors there might see it differently than I do. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:18, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

SFF SFF and conflict of interest

Hello Dennis, Thank you for reply. I have had time to look over Wikipedia's policies and I can assure you that I can remain neutral regarding all topics related to the institution (EMP Museum). The content that I added, and which was removed, was strictly fact based: I added the names of the films that showed in 2011 and 2012, the award-winners, and the names of the jurors. In addition, I did not link to EMP's website.

Would you please reconsider re-posting the deleted content to bring the SFF SFF festival up to date?

Thank you very much. Sincerely, Suzanne Beal — Preceding unsigned comment added by SuzanneBBeal (talk • contribs) 00:40, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

The fact that it's a copy-paste of your own webiste is all the evidence we need that it's not neutral. It's public relations. If you want to contribute to Wikipedia, it's much easier to stay away from topics where you have a conflict of interest. If you must work on pages related to your work, the best policy is to go to Talk:Science Fiction Fantasy Short Film Festival and post suggested edits and let someone else make changes.

And no, no copyrighted text can be posted at all. Only original prose. You might think you're the copyright owner, but you're not. EMP is the owner, and they have asserted copyright. You could ask EMP to change their copyright notice to CC-by-SA, or public domain, but until they do, it's copyrighted. You will be blocked form editing if you continue to copy-paste any copyrited text. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:47, 1 February 2014 (UTC)