User talk:DanTheMusicMan2/Archive 3

Please remember to put a span to "–2021" in the chart table

Hi Dan. Since you're adding charts that were published in 2021, even if they are still dated the last two weeks of 2020, please put a span in the chart column heading so it reads "Chart (2020–2021)", and please also ensure you change the accessdate to 2021. I've just corrected several of your errors and added these spans for you. Thanks. Ss112 15:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

AfD

Hello. I wanted to encourage you to take part in AfD discussions on three separate articles: Mmm Papi, Whiplash, and Harajuku Girls. I hope you can comment. Best regards, AngelOfDestiny (talk) 11:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

User Tuzapicabit

re: List of one-hit wonders on the UK Singles Chart re: The following collaborations are classified as "one-hit wonders" by Guinness Hit Singles because each of these particular combinations of artists had a single #1 hit with no other chart entries in this particular configuration.

Hello, I see Tuzapicabit has deleted the information about GoonRock and Lauren Bennett from the 'Collaborations classified as one-hit wonders' section again...even though https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/24421/lmfao-lauren-bennett-goonrock/ lists this collaboration as as having 1 UK Top 75s, 4 Weeks at Number 1 and 59 Weeks in Top 75.

Therefore it fits this section much better than Gary Barlow and the Commonwealth Band...who have had two Top 75 hits (see https://www.officialcharts.com/artist/26981/gary-barlow-commonwealth-band/): "Sing" and "Here comes the Sun". Tuzapicabit is deleting the information based on what the single cover says though this contradicts what Spotify and what the OCC states (and if its all based on OCC information - the primary source - then we cannot say that they are wrong as that's going down the original research route and as you know No original research. I suppose if you are going down that route than then you easily say that Radio 2's One Hit Wonders with OJ Borg is equally correct with Planet Funk (2 UK Top 40s, 4 UK Top 75s) and Deep Blue Something (2 UK Top 40s, 2 UK Top 75s) one-hit wonders, as Radio 2 do a chart show with Paul Gambaccini and therefore the people at the BBC should know what is or is not a one-hit wonder. Also as they broadcast the chart on Radio 1 and Gambaccini co-authored the book in the first place).

In the talk section Tuzapicabit states that he (and even though I wouldn't like to misgender Tuzapicabit, I would guess the person is a he, probably an Irish gay man as he seems to be obsessed with Eurovision, Shirley Bassey, The Nolans and Bucks Fizz) states that he has two British Hit Singles books by Tony Brown, so a couple of the four books published between 1989 - 1995...so we are dealing with a list which was started over 30 years ago, a list which has trouble keeping up with current chart methodology in regards to featured artists, a list which looks like it was dumped in 2001 when the 'Facts and feats' section was reduced to one page ("Top 10 Record-Breaking Facts"), a list which probably won't be seen in the new Official Charts Books anytime soon (I don't think I'll bother buying them I've got the Virgin books to hand and a lot of the Billboard books by by Joel Whitburn around i.e. not in the loft).

If you look at the info for the new chart book then you will see that "The new book, The Official Charts & Hits: 2020, is available from this week and includes every Official Singles Chart and Official Albums Chart Top 75, plus Top 20 Official Compilations Chart of 2020", therefore the OOC still regards number 75 as the start of the hit countdown and number 76 a non-hit (note: some of the Hit Singles book did actually put a list of no.76 non-hits...the artists who could have been hitmakers), however from the List of one-hit wonders on the UK Singles Chart: Revision history it looks like Tuzapicabit has been deleting artists who have had one Top 75 hit and a number of non-hits in the No. 76-100 positions (see 13 January 2021‎ at 21:16). I see that you edited this list on 16 December 2020‎ at 12:57 and wrote "as per Guinness world records a hit is inside the top 75 added 6 which were removed that had another minor hit outside top 75" which is in keeping with the OCC (the primary source)...though I may add that the Top 100 (i.e. the hit 75 + next 25) was shown in Record Mirror back in the 1980s and a you could get the full Top 200 chart on subscription for many years, but I have not seen something from the OCC that states that no. 76 is a hit in the singles chart (the albums went up to 100 before the compilations were booted out in 1989).

Now we have given Tuzapicabit the benefit of doubt and deleted all the featured artists as per his wishes (leaving an article with a couple of mistakes in it including Gary Barlow), but he cannot be the one who decides what is or is not included as that turns the page into his own personal fiefdom...which is not what the site is about. I put GoonRock in the 'Collaborations classified as one-hit wonders' because I was erring on the side of caution (see how I wrote about the record), rather than putting him straight into the main list where he should have been (at least when all the featured artists were listed).

Now you seem to be someone with a great deal of interest in charts worldwide and you might keep up to date with news from the UK. If this is correct then you will know that Captain Sir Tom Moore has died this week. Now unlike Pop Smoke or Juice WRLD, I don't think he get many posthumous hits meaning that he will be a one-hit wonder...or does it? Are we heading for more problems in April with Tuzapicabit stating that Captain Sir Tom Moore doesn't belong in the one-hit wonders list as it was a 'collaboration classified as one-hit wonder' or an 'aggregate ensemble group put together for charity purposes', with another thread editing in and editing out the reference to the knighthood.

Please also read this bit from User talk:Cexycy on 29 October 2011 in regards to Original research as posted by Tuzapicabit...

===One Hit Wonders===

I thought that we had long since settled this amicably, but for some reason you seem to be jumping all over this again. What's the matter with you? Your changes are wrong - plain and simple, but I refuse to be dragged back into this mess of an article. If you're going to single out members of The Young Ones, how come you're not doing it with other members of each group - surely each member should be listed then. I can not find - nor can you - another hit single by the group The Young Ones. Picking out individual members is a ridiculous thing to do - lots of these groups had members who had hits in other line-ups (I can name at least seven others). What you're doing is Original research and is a violation of policy. I have no more to say on the matter other than to tag the entire article.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 01:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

For starters I agree with Tuzapicabit about the featuring artists being left out it does imply in the methodology section and i also think the official charts did not intend to look like they have gave equal billing to LMFAO and Goonrock and Lauren Bennet they use brackets a lot and sometimes only list by last name. I was unaware about The Commonwealth band having another hit however it is very minor hit and depends on what we are going by top 40 or 75, on the page originally was set to top 40 by tuzapicabit until the official charts made there archives available on their site tuzapicabit changed his mind. I do think it should match the lead where it does say the list uses the Guinness Book of records definition which states a top 75 is a major hit and anything from 76-100 a minor hit, and should not be counted as a hit by removing songs that had 76-100 entries completely from the article. It's a shame about Captain Tom Moore he was eligible for a vaccination but it appears he was on medication so he could not have it, he would be eligible for the list in april as the list is delayed a year as per the methodology section. Saint Jhn's "Roses would also be eligible for the list in march as his song originally recorded 2018 topped the chart last year due to a remix by Imanbek which came a surprise to him and has not released anything since.

DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 15:46, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

So Tuzapicabit has been making it up as he goes along, deciding what the rules are...doesn't that go against the idea of Wikipedia, the 'No original research', the neutral point of view, the just 'report on the information from the primary source' idea of the site. As Tuzapicabit said in October 2011: "Original research is a violation of policy" but it seems some of his deletions could be viewed as such. I deleted the featured artists from the main list to give him the benefit of the doubt, in good faith, to give him some respect...you know I do this for you, you do this for me. I don't think they should be deleted, its still important information, maybe put elsewhere in the article.

Its one thing to continue a list from a 1989 Guinness Book of British Hit Singles because the book is not being published, but for one person to sit on the article for ever a decade, treat it like its his own, make up his own rules as he goes along which seems to be the case...you might as well scrap the article and merge it into the main One-hit wonders list as it becomes one man's folly and as worthy as OnePoll's The Nation's Favourite One Hit Wonders list.

Isn't it a bit hypocritical to base an argument/article on being about strict 'Guinness Book of British Hit Singles' rules and then decide "No, wait it's Top 40, no actually its Top 100?" (it is likely that the Top 40 was only adopted because of the influence of the AT40 rather then the the UK charts compilers wanting a Top 40...as before the Top 75 was introduced it was either a Top 30 or Top 50 apart from a few weeks during a postal strike when they could only do the Top 40) ...then again if number 87 is a hit, why not number 167. Tuzapicabit could easily base his idea of a hit on the Top 200 as Tuzapicabit could be a ChartsPlus subscriber for all we know!

If Tuzapicabit wants the article to be his own personal thing, rather than a collaborative effort then surely he could take over https://www.everyhit.com/ as they use a Top 40 for their one-hit wonders list, a lit which hasn't been updated since 2009. Their infomation states...

Notes about One-Hit Wonders from Everyhit:

• Charity ensembles containing one or more hit artists are not included.
• St. Winifred's School Choir's "There's No One Quite Like Grandma" is exempted from this list as, two years previously, they appeared (though uncredited) on Brian & Michael's 1978 chart-topper, "Matchstalk Men And Matchstalk Cats And Dogs."
• Tubeway Army's "Are Friends Electric" is exempted from this list as it is a pseudonym of Gary Numan.
• The Young Ones "Living Doll" is exempted. As well as Cliff Richard and Hank Marvin, the single also features 'Neil,' who had a solo hit with "Hole In My Shoe" in 1984.
• The Timelords' "Doctorin' The Tardis" is exempted as the group also had hits as The KLF / Justified Ancients Of Mu Mu / 2K.
• Chef's "Chocolate Salty Balls" is exempted as the vocals were by Isaac Hayes who had two previous hits.
• JXL made the Top 75 as Junkie XL.
• Sunblock featuring Robin Beck made the Top 40 in May 2006. As this was merely a re-sung version of parts of the original "First Time" - with a dance beat - it has been decided not to remove the 'one hit wonder' status of Robin.
• Yanou of DJ Sammy & Yanou's "Heaven" fame (no. 1 in 2002) is exempted as one of the DJ performers in the dance outfit Cascada (which charted in 2006 with "Everytime We Touch").
• Peter Kay is exempted as he appeared in the guise of Brian Potter (therefore also excused!) in 'The Proclaimers featuring Brian Potter & Andy Pipkin' version of "(I'm Gonna Be) 500 Miles" in 2007.
• X Factor Finalists are exempt as (a) they are a charity ensemble and (b) Marvin Humes who features on the track had previously reached the top 40 in 2004 (three times) as a member of VS. That said, Alexandra Burke is exempt from inclusion in the list as a result of appearing on this track. (with his group JLS)

Now this list gives the answer to another 2-hitter mistake contained in the One-hit wonders article that you and Tuzapicabit have missed, one which I hinted about in my previous post. However because its their own site, they can do what they like with the infomation they have gathered...even though this contradicts the OCC and the following information (from the List of songs which have spent the most weeks on the UK Singles Chart)...which makes the artist have two hits...

[[List of songs which have spent the most weeks on the UK Singles Chart|"...records with re-recorded vocals (for example, live versions) and Remixes released with substantially different catalogue numbers did not count towards the total and were seen as new hits (see "Blue Monday" as an example)."]]

No I don't think the artist should be deleted from the whole page (that's Tuzapicabit's reasoning: if he doesn't like get rid of it...and there seems to be loads of these types on this website) but we cannot say what is or is not a hit (I suppose only Martin Talbot can, and I doubt that Talbot and Tuzapicabit are the same person). However it should be removed from the main list and put into a 'special info' space alongside GoonRock and Lauren Bennett regardless of whether LMAFO had them down as a featured, X, vs, and, meets whatever (because it a fact where you have this collaboration between a two artists with no other hits, one of whom was in G.R.L). I wonder if Tuzapicabit would have deleted GoonRock if it had been added to the main list alongside Cody Wise and The Kumars before they got deleted them, as it might be the case he just doesn't like the record (it no "I'm In the Mood for Dancing").

Now the inclusion of featured artists (or more correctly secondary artists) boils down to this introduction...which is probably 30 years out of date and one which has not kept up to date with the charts, as in the 1980s any artist with an '&' and 'versus' on their name were seen as a completely separate act and given their own entry. However, now the OCC state that Tina Turner's first hit was "RIVER DEEP, MOUNTAIN HIGH" (number 3 in 1966 with Ike) with Tina having 44 UK Top 75s between 1966 - 2020. Its the same for Cher, who had had 42 UK Top 75s between 1965 - 2013 with her first hit being "I GOT YOU BABE", a number one. So are you going to argue with the Official Charts Company, who are the people whose information we are basing the facts on, the people who make the rules? By the way, there seems to be no information to what makes a hit in the current chart rules for a secondary artist...with the only information being found being the following...

"5.0 Combining of Transactions

i) A maximum of three singles within the Top 100 by the same artist will be chart eligible. These will be the three most popular singles in a week based on combined sales and streams. (Also see 6.0 Exclusions)

ii) In the case of singles featuring a secondary artist(s), they will only count towards the primary named artist’s maximum of three chart eligible singles.

iii) In the case of singles that are equal collaborations between two or more artists, a single will count towards the maximum of three chart eligible singles of the artist on the releasing label".

So, for example, answer me this...if it was the case that Anne-Marie got credited on 21 number one singles over the next 5 years, would she have the same amount as Elvis? or would she be the most successful solo artist ever in the UK charts?

(Note: Saint Jhn is not eligible for the list as he has had 2 Top 75 singles, whilst Imanbek is not credited, only getting to number 87 with "Goodbye"). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.237.218 (talk) 18:23, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Lady Gaga on SNEP

Hello! I've noticed that you've reverted my edits regarding Lady Gaga's chart placement on the French chart. Unfortunately, the source provided for "Shallow" being number one is not referring to the song reached number one on the official French chart. As seen here, the song reached no.3. It is recommended that you would use this website further on for chart placements and not ones that aren't recognised by Wikipedia as being reliable. Alecsdaniel (talk) 18:12, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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Angels Like You

http://hitparada.ifpicr.cz/index.php?a=titul&hitparada=2&titul=166000&sec=02791fd23cf47e9b5bd9df435029a214 angels like you charted here. could u add it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.165.247.188 (talk) 22:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

UK Rock and Metal chart

Hi, I am not an expert on the topic of music charts. Can you confirm that the weekly charting position of "Zitti e buoni" (#1) and Teatro d'ira: Vol. I (#4) at UK Rock & Metal Singles and Albums Charts on 28 May is correct?--ParoleSonore (talk) 21:19, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Yes it is correct thanks DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 22:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. It is still a bit confusing to me. Does it mean that with the sales and else between 21-27 May they managed to top that week or the one dated to "28 May 2021 - 03 June 2021"? Is the charting position for 28 May of a weekly or daily chart? The dates of weeks are different between UK Rock & Metal Singles and Albums articles. Can you explain it to me exactly?--ParoleSonore (talk) 22:52, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

The Current chart is based on the previous seven days so yes 21st May - 27th May and next weeks would be based on 28th may - 03 June and the charts will read 04 Jun - 10 June. This is how the charts work in the UK. DanTheMusicMan2 (talk) 00:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Simple Minds

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_one-hit_wonders_in_the_United_States#1980s

You seem like a sensible editor...will you take Simple Minds of this dang list? The justification of what are a true One Hit Wonder on this list are so out of whack...it's not about "well known song", it is about "how many hits" they actually had!

Do you know anything about alt-pop

Hello Dan,

You look like somebody who knows something about modern pop music. Do you know anything about alt-pop music or whether there is any decent references about alt-pop out there in books or online. I am currently involved in a discussion with Michael 'Binks' Knowles under the heading "Michael why are you dismissing alt-pop?" on his talk page. I think as because so many people are using the term online these days and because any google search about 'what is alt-pop' takes you to random info about indie rock or out-of-date stuff about indie pop in the 1980s, that a line such as the following needs to be placed in one of the music genre sections (for example the teen pop, pop music, indie pop, art-pop etc)

"In the 21st Century, lots of new acts have been grouped under the 'alt pop' label with the genre being used for a range of artists in the charts seen to have a broad appeal but seen to be less manufactured and more eclectic or original. Artists include Tate McRae, Halsey Chloe Moriondo, Beren Olivia, Jack River, and Billie Eilish".

— QUOTE

Now Binks thinks the term shouldn't be mentioned because only dictionaries have decided what the term is, even though sites like AllMusic and Popmatters have used the term frequently when promoting various alt-pop artists...

Note: the following couldn't be accessed (and I do not know if it can be used as a source anyway)

The Modern, AltPop Perspective - Impakterhttps://impakter.com › modern-altpop-perspective Altpop should be defined as genre that experiments with popular categories of music of all eras and shows the vision and influences of the specific artist.

— QUOTE

References

List of Billboard Christian Songs number ones of the 2020s is a bit of a mess

List of Billboard Christian Songs number ones of the 2020s is a bit of a mess after your last edit. I'm sure you'll figure out what transpired and repair. Thanks for your tireless work on the chart articles. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:53, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

RfC

Hi. As an editor who makes use of the template pretty regularly, please consider offering your perspective, whatever it may be, at Template talk:Album chart#RfC on this template's format. Thanks. Ss112 12:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Spanish album charts

Hi. When you swapped the Spanish template for a manual citation on album articles, you wrote "Spain" instead of "Spanish Albums" like here. The format should be the same as the other album template listings. Coincidentally, this is what the above RfC I linked you to is about. Ss112 23:21, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Why are you adding unsourced peaks?

Dan, why did you add an unsourced peak to SZA discography here? You know that the UK R&B chart doesn't have an archive of all peaks an artist has achieved on it, you need to provide a source for each week. Please don't do this again or I'll revert you and start templating you like you're an IP editor. I honestly expected better of an experienced editor. Ss112 06:59, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

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When you change a year span in the header of a chart table... =

Use an en dash and the full year. "2021–2022", not "2021-22". Thank you. Ss112 15:02, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

When editing.

Please remember to add a proper description of changes. You have begun changing the ordering convention on the R&B musicians list. please read the information about why things are ordered the way they are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthyspirit (talk • contribs) 01:52, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I came here to ask for the same thing. As you can see most of your edits don't include an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps us, your fellow editors, use our time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. --Muhandes (talk) 09:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

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Redirects are not broken

I expected better from you. Redirects aren't broken, Dan. About time you read WP:NOTBROKEN. Ss112 15:52, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

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