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Tech News: 2014-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• You can now log into Phabricator, the new tool to track bugs. Create your account and add your Bugzilla email address. We are copying the bugs from Bugzilla. Bugzilla is still open. [1] [2]
• You will now get the VisualEditor newsletter in your language if someone has translated it. You can add translations. You can know about the next translations by joining the translators list or asking Elitre (WMF).

Problems

• 10% of Tool Labs was down on October 7. [3]
• Tool Labs was also broken on October 11. [4]

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf3) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since 9 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from 14 October, and on all Wikipedias from 16 October (calendar).
• 5% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. You can also test it as a Beta Feature. [5]

Meetings

• You can join a meeting with Language developers on October 15, 2014 at 17:00 (UTC). [6]
• There is a proposal to organize file pages better. It would use the same tools as Wikidata. You can join a meeting about it on October 16, 2014 at 18:00 (UTC). [7]
• You can join a meeting about VisualEditor on October 18, 2014 at 18:00 (UTC). [8]

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08:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Black Ivy

For reference please see Tuskegee University then section on Booker T. Washington's leadership. This is one example of how on several ocassions (now) simply indicates current name of school nothing else. Liberallefty79 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liberallefty79 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

I have no problem if they are all re-worded to be clearer, this was just the one I noticed (no reason to leave one weak to be consistent with others that are similarly so). If the detail is that at the time the institution had a different name (regardless of the technicality of merger, renaming, unifying with another campus, or whatever), that can surely be stated more directly. Simply saying "now" is ambiguous about whether now-vs-then is where the person is/was affiliated (he moved, the institutions stayed the same) or whether the affiliated institution changed (new name vs old name for same target). I tried a different wording in the article. Thanks for starting a discussion here so we can hash it out and find some consensus that explains what is true (whatever it is, I don't know the facts of the colleges' status over time) in as clear a way as possible. DMacks (talk) 18:22, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Ok, well that's understandable. I have just seen this usage so many times for so many institutions whose names have changed throughout their history or since their founding. Wiki seems to keep it simple by saying (now) this or (now) that. I may have seen (now known as) as well. Personally, this to me is even less than a first world problem. lol Thanks Liberallefty79 — Preceding undated comment added 18:32, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

"Zeroth world" problem? :) What do you think about the latest change I tried? DMacks (talk) 18:37, 14 October 2014 (UTC)Thank

LOL..exactly. -1 world problem. Yes this is great! Very good compromise for the wording. It is clear and contextual. I'm glad we were able to communicate a very effective resolution. The intent was not to edit war, but to get the wording right. Now could you take that off the history lol Thanks again.

Liberallefty79

Selleck Chemicals

Hi DMacks. I noticed that you deleted a number of pages related to Selleck Chemicals and their products. I have started related discussions at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Promotional_activity_by_Selleck_Chemicals and at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Manyzz. Please feel free to contribute if you have anything to add. Regards, -- Ed (Edgar181) 19:56, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Swag

Are you swag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.76.165.68 (talk) 17:09, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Adamson University

Extend PC time? --George Ho (talk) 05:46, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

{{done} +6 months. DMacks (talk) 06:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. You can read translations.

Recent changes

• You can test a new system to see math using MathML. Go to your display options and choose "⧼mw math mathml⧽".
• You can add badges in Wikidata for quality articles and featured lists. [9] [10]

File information cleanup

• You can join a wiki project to help tools read file information. It will help people reuse files.
• See how to fix metadata. You can fix it by adding markers to templates and adding templates to files.
• You can see a list of files missing machine-readable information on your wiki.
• The files missing readable data are also in these categories: no license, no description, no author or no source. [11]

Problems

• Developers fixed a security problem. If you use Internet Explorer 6, you won't be able to log in any more. You should use a newer browser. [12]

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf4) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since October 16. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 21, and on all Wikipedias from October 23 (calendar).
• 10% of logged-out readers are getting pages from servers that run the HHVM tool. HHVM should make pages load faster. You can also test it as a Beta Feature. [13]
• If you add the same parameter twice in a template, it now puts the page in a tracking category. [14] [15]

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13:48, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
	For your awesome contributions on Wikipedia, I'm giving you an Anti-Vandalism award for your great effort of fighting against vandalism. Keep up the good work, DMacks! :) -- Allen (talk to me! / ctrb / E-mail me) 00:35, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Article Protection

hello sir

7 months ago i created one article titled as Ashvin Raja i want protection of that article because Many of them editing and spoiling my article so kidly I Request You to full protect my article (S.C.Williams (talk) 01:36, 23 October 2014 (UTC))

Declined – Not enough recent disruptive activity to justify protection. DMacks (talk) 03:59, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

sehban azim

page has no valid sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by Durr-e-shehwar (talk • contribs) 16:33, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Huh? I see six <ref> tags in the material you removed]. DMacks (talk) 20:45, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

I've just reverted some edits at the above article by the same editor you reverted at Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - I'd appreciate a review of my revert. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 11:06, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

He reverted back, threatened me with fines (see my talk page), and another editor again removed his edit. Dougweller (talk) 16:34, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

I agree with your revert, based on the same concerns I noted in mine (and that you noted in your comments)...WP:RS fail in multiple ways. DMacks (talk) 20:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Bupropion effects

I don't know why editors felt it necessary to completely change their view on the pharmacology of bupropion, based upon two studies. That's bad science, it's not consistent with the vast majority of the literature, I'm in medical school and physician after physician repudiates the use of the one, newest study to change a view completely. That's bad science. Don't use novelty over preponderance of evidence, because it is exactly why certain criticisms are leveled at this site. The physicians' views are anecdotal, but how many references do I need against those two. I'll get you a hundred if you like. It's embarrassing to read that page as is. Whoever wrote it needs to understand the scientific field a little better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellmeister88 (talk • contribs) 03:48, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

WP:MEDRS is the applicable requirement for sourcing medical statements. For example, "The physicians' views are anecdotal" is exactly the opposite of a reliable scientific source (the plural of "anecdote" is not "data" or "peer-reviewed publication"). Assuming it's as well known as you say and there is a "preponderance of evidence", there are surely recent high-quality review articles in the literature that support that claim. Citing them would allow the Wikipedia article to indicate what the majority current opinion is (with a comment that there is a dissenting position). Feel free to take your concerns to the article talk-page (for example, Talk:Bupropion for Bupropion) so that other editors can help get some consensus on how to write it in proportion to the availability/quality of the refs. DMacks (talk) 04:10, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

The bupropion page even describes it as an NDRI. Why wouldn't it be on the drug list? You wanna debate pharmacology I will talk you into next Tuesday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellmeister88 (talk • contribs) 03:54, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, my lunch-time alley-fight calendar is all booked. As I stated above, WP is strictly about cited sources, and the talk-page is where to hash it out. For example, Bupropion#Pharmacodynamics appears to support that although it does bind to DAT, it only does so weakly, and not at levels sufficient for clinical effect. DMacks (talk) 04:10, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• There was an issue with files from Commons on October 21. You could only see those with names between 140 and 159 characters by visiting Commons itself. [16]
• There was a problem with cut and paste in VisualEditor in Firefox. It was fixed quickly. [17]
• There was a problem with editing math in VisualEditor. It was fixed quickly. [18]

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will now come to Wikipedia sites every Wednesday, instead of every Thursday. [19]
• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf5) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since October 23. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from October 28, and on all Wikipedias from October 29 (calendar).
• VisualEditor now uses autovalues for templates if they are in TemplateData. [20] [21] [22]
• VisualEditor's menu items now show their shortcuts beside them. [23]
• VisualEditor now opens faster when you click "edit". [24]
• The rules for plurals in translations changed in some languages. Interface translations are currently not being updated from translatewiki.net; this process will start again on November 6. [25]

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05:20, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

FYROM and not Macedonia

Dear DMacks.

United Nations have not approved Macedonia as a valid name. FYROM is the right name. I do not care if it is wrongfully used/promoted by some anti-Greece lobbies. History is on the side of Greece. Macedonia is historically and legaly bound to Greece and Ancient Greece. Alexander the Great the king of Macedonia is Greek for god sakes. Please read history and study the whole case. When we close our eyes to such an unfair matter, the whole internet community will be educated to behave unfairly to history.

Here is an analogy: Let's say I am a businessman. I cannot name a soda trade product of mine as Coca Cola or Fanta, because Coca Cola company will tear me apart in every court worldwide.

In the same manner and multiplied in importance cause we are talking about the history of millions of Greek people and not a junk product: Our neighbour country Skopje or FYROM after the disolution of Yugoslavia, wants to acquire a national identity out of thin air. How? By stealing the historical name and the whole history of Greece that accompanies this name.

If we allow them to use our Name and give away Macedonia, we give away our Land Rights. I give away name, I surrender Land. H It is very easy to understand it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godroplet (talk • contribs) 20:55, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia reflects the reality of usage, whether it is "right" or not in the (possibly valid and/or possibly offensive) opinion of any editor. DMacks (talk) 21:22, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

User:181.61.17.2

No problem. That was a mess. I'm still watching the user contributions. Kehrbykid (talk) 19:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-45

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• The "Special:Cite" page is now called "Special:CiteThisPage". That way, you know it's to cite the page, not to add a reference. [26]
• You can no longer use the insource: keyword for text searches. It caused issues with the new search tool. It will come back later. [27] [28]

Problems

• There was a bug in VisualEditor with Internet Explorer. It hid tools like the link editor when you opened them. The bug was fixed on Monday. [29]
• Issues with the new search tool caused geo data code to show up on pages on Monday and Friday. The mobile "nearby" tool was also broken. The problem is now fixed. [30] [31] [32]
• HHVM caused server issues on Thursday. They are now fixed.

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf5) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since October 29. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 4, and on all Wikipedias from November 5 (calendar).
• Some wikis have icons at the top of a page to show if it is protected or featured. Icons show up using CSS. You can now use the <indicator> tag in these templates instead to add the icons. [33] [34]
• VisualEditor now tells you if you're editing a re-used reference. This helps you avoid changing it if you just want to add a new one. [35]
• The icons in VisualEditor's template editor tool for adding more fields are back, along with other fixes. [36] [37] [38] [39] [40]
• After November 6, all wikis will have the tool to edit TemplateData. [41] [42] [43]

Future changes

• The new search tool will come to the last wikis in the coming weeks. This includes Wikipedia in French, Chinese, German and English. [44]

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17:28, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Possible copyright violation

I'm thinking about merging Anti-phase domain into Crystallographic defect (or at least adding a mention of it). Before I do so I was wondering if you could give me a second opinion on the content, it has an image which is cited strangely and I can't tell if its COI editing or an outright violation. --Project Osprey (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

• And again, same editor. --Project Osprey (talk) 19:38, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hello i'm new on wiki.Try a online game called animaljam.com

Sparklepuppypup (talk) 22:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Re: User:Bryancyriel/User:Mamaluigi socks

Thanks for blocking the first two socks of this user that keeps on pestering my talk page. However, a new sock (User:DaMack's) is now vandalizing my talk page again. I created a new SPI case against Mamaluigi2's other socks before this happened. Kindly assist. Thanks. -WayKurat (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Looks like another admin shredded that sock after I headed to bed. I have so many fan-clubs, I lose track of who likes to parody whom on the way to guaranteed losing whatever point he would hope to make... DMacks (talk) 19:57, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year (2014 film)

Hi, I want to edit Happy New Year's Controversies section. Here's my contribution. If you find it appropriate then please add it to the section and remove criticism. Thanks.

"Jaya Bachchan called Happy New Year 'the most nonsensical film' at Tata Literature Live! The Mumbai LitFest. Since the internet thrives on controversy, this soon went viral. Much was written about Jaya Bachchan calling Happy New Year a 'nonsensical' film. But she also added that Happy New Year is an entertaining film as well. Amitabh Bachchan posted a blog on twitter to sort out any wrong reportage on the incident, which read: "Her remarks about Happy New Year being ‘nonsensical’, when taken out of context, sound like harsh criticism of the film, but she was talking of two kinds of cinema that exist in India — those based on literary works and those that are pure entertainment. She enjoyed both these kinds of films, she said. An example she gave of the latter was of Amar Akbar Anthony, a film she said she enjoyed immensely, as much as she did Happy New Year. In fact, she said, she complimented her son Abhishek for his role, because it’s something she couldn’t have done herself. So if the media was at all interested in presenting the gist of the two conversations in headlines, they should have read: ‘Jaya Bachchan finds Happy New Year as entertaining as Amar, Akbar, Anthony'."

Following that there were reports that Amitabh Bachchan, Aishwarya Rai Bachchan and Abhishek Bachchan apologised to the Shahrukh Khan for Jaya Bachchan's 'Nonsensical' remark. The reports said that "Abhishek and Aishwarya visited Mannat, but SRK did not meet them so they had to discuss the matter with his wife Gauri Khan. SRK's behavior shows that he has not forgiven the Bachchans for Jaya's harsh remark on his film". After reading that report, Shah Rukh said that he has not read a more crappy, made up piece of journalism lately." Aryan.malik3 (talk) 03:31, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

References

My talkpage is not the place to propose changes to the article. This sort of discussion needs to happen on the article talkpage (see the full-protection policy statement for details). DMacks (talk) 17:34, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent software changes

• You may see a new tool on the mobile site of the English Wikipedia. It asks simple questions to make the article better. In the future, your answers will go to Wikidata. [45] [46]
• The MediaWiki API now shows information in a nice format. You can translate it in translatewiki.net. [47]

File information cleanup

• Reminder: You can help fix file information on your wiki. It will help robots understand the information. After that, it will be easier for you to search files and re-use them.
• You can join two IRC chats this week to learn more about the file cleanup project. One will be on Wednesday at 18:00 (UTC) and the other on Thursday at 04:00 (UTC). You can ask questions during the chat if you need help to fix files on your wiki.
• You can see a list of files to fix on the Labs tool. You can report bugs and ask questions on the talk page.

Problems

• Wikimedia Labs was broken for a few hours on Thursday. It was due to a hardware problem. [48]

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf7) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since November 5. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 11, and on all Wikipedias from November 12 (calendar).
• You can now use more editing tools for tables in VisualEditor. You can add rows and columns, merge cells, and edit table captions. [49] [50]
• The style and insert menus in the toolbar of VisualEditor now show fewer tools. This helps you see the most common tasks. You can see all items by clicking "More". [51]
• The way windows inside VisualEditor work has changed. VisualEditor should be faster and have fewer bugs. [52]

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15:00, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Lester Coleman

Some vandal posed as confirmed editor last year. Can you increase protection level to lv-2 pending changes with or without semi-protection? I know PC2 is not widely accepted yet, but can we just ignore all rules to improve Wikipedia? --George Ho (talk) 06:59, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Mihran Mesrobian

I need to have that deleted because there's a duplicated on commons here. The one on commons is PD. So the non-free needs to go. Étienne Dolet (talk) 05:35, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

• File:Mihran mesrobian.jpg reports itself as in-use at several pages. Please replace it with the free one, then the other can go away without leaving a mess. DMacks (talk) 05:44, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

But I can't since the filename is the same. That photograph was uploaded by me. I have a right to delete it through ((db-g7)) if I please. Étienne Dolet (talk) 06:06, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

The names differ by the case of the first letter of the last name. File:Mihran Mesrobian.jpg to replace File:Mihran mesrobian.jpg (click on those two links to see that they give the desired targets even though they don't specifically point to commons vs en.wp). It's currently tagged for deletion as replaceable-nonfree, which will default to deletion in a day or two whether or not you do the replacement by then... DMacks (talk) 15:53, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

 Done I did the replacement, and then deleted the non-free file with multiple rationales. DMacks (talk) 19:04, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate it. Étienne Dolet (talk) 19:44, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Tiger vs lion

Thanks for the comment you left on OneGuy. Now he keeps adding the tag back without giving any reason at all and also added new content based on a questionable source (which is a source mentioned by a scanned page of another source with unknown authors and reliability). Also other sources under the expert opinion sections are well recognized experts and organizations. Just found myself breaking the 3RR so I disengaged. I know you may not be interested in this tiger vs lion topic (in fact I am also not that interested in it as I appeared to be, but I will just appear if someone makes problematic edits to any of the animal pages I am watching. That page has the most frequent problematic edits and that's why I appear there often) but his obvious problematic edits like the addition of the tag without a valid reason should be removed. Thanks. Big Cats - talk 22:53, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Quick Suggestion

Hi DMacks, some moment ago you just threated me to block. But I had done nothing wrong with Happy New Year. If I did any mistakes, forgive me and help me. Bye ArNab_MACHO_ROCKSS (Talk) 10:50, 16 November (UTC)

Read all the messages that others have put on your talkpage. They all have bluelinks defining all the policies and behavior guidelines for using wikipedia. Read them. Stop editing and read them well. Do not re-make any edit after someone else undoes it...that's edit-warring, and will almost always result in your being blocked. Instead, visit the talk-page for the article to discuss it. Do not insert any fact without a specific citation to prove it...that's against verifiability policy and will immediately result in your being blocked, probably permanently. DMacks (talk) 20:13, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Since you chose to ignore the advice I spent time writing specifically in response to your question, and instead have continued to refuse to follow multiple behavioral and content guidelines and policies, I've gone ahead and revoked your permission to edit wikipedia. DMacks (talk) 03:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Mobile marketing > MMS & Mobile advertising > Types of mobile ads

DMacks,

I made some edits back on 11/2 that included some information on Rich Media Messaging (RMM) and you rolled these back with the following message, "need independent cite". Can you help me better understand what's necessary? I look at RMM as the next step of MMS as rather than having to focus on delivering content at the lowest common denominator across handsets/operating systems, this enables the content to be optimized for each handset/operating system.

Thanks and would welcome your perspective when convenient.

--Bill--Billmdavis (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-47

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf8) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since November 12. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 18, and on all Wikipedias from November 19 (calendar).
• The new search tool ("CirrusSearch") will be on the English Wikipedia from November 19. [53]

Move from Bugzilla to Phabricator

• The tool to track bugs will change on November 21.
• You won't be able to add or edit bugs between November 21 and November 24.
• You can make the change easier for you by creating your account.
• Bugzilla will be frozen after the change. You will see, edit and report bugs in Phabricator.
• You can join two IRC chats to learn more about the change. The chats will be on Tuesday, November 18 at 16:00 (UTC) and 23:00 UTC. [54]

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18:28, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews

Hello DMacks. This message is part of a mass mailing to people who appear active in reviewing articles for creation submissions. First of all, thank you for taking part in this important work! I'm sorry this message is a form letter – it really was the only way I could think of to covey the issue economically. Of course, this also means that I have not looked to see whether the matter is applicable to you in particular.

The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.

If you don't do so already, I'd like to ask for your to help with this problem by taking on the practice of performing a copyvio check as the first step in any AfC review. The most basic method is to simply copy a unique but small portion of text from the draft body and run it through a search engine in quotation marks. Trying this from two different paragraphs is recommended. (If you have any question about whether the text was copied from the draft, rather than the other way around (a "backwards copyvio"), the Wayback Machine is very useful for sussing that out.)

If you do find a copyright violation, please do not decline the draft on that basis. Copyright violations need to be dealt with immediately as they may harm those whose content is being used and expose Wikipedia to potential legal liability. If the draft is substantially a copyvio, and there's no non-infringing version to revert to, please mark the page for speedy deletion right away using {{db-g12|url=URL of source}}. If there is an assertion of permission, please replace the draft article's content with {{subst:copyvio|url=URL of source}}.

Some of the more obvious indicia of a copyvio are use of the first person ("we/our/us..."), phrases like "this site", or apparent artifacts of content written for somewhere else ("top", "go to top", "next page", "click here", use of smartquotes, etc.); inappropriate tone of voice, such as an overly informal tone or a very slanted marketing voice with weasel words; including intellectual property symbols (™,®); and blocks of text being added all at once in a finished form with no misspellings or other errors.

I hope this message finds you well and thanks again you for your efforts in this area. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC).

       Sent via--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Ethyl sulfate

Ethyl sulfate. (ethyl hydrogen sulfate) Hi DMacks. Not sure if this is how to go about this, but you have shown an interest in the talk pages for this entry. I noticed that the boiling point and melting point for ethyl hydrogen sulfate are given as identical to diethyl sulfate. I am pretty sure that this is wrong, not only becasue chemically it is most unlikely, but I have found references that mix up the two compounds, and it is very likely that the data cited here have come from such a source. I cannot find reliable source for boiling point and melting point for ethyl hydrogen sulfate. I put comment on the appropriate talk page a few days ago.Stainless316 (talk) 13:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, DMacks. You have new messages at Samee's talk page.
Message added 09:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

 SAMI  ^talk 17:16, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Ravi Shankar Page - Lead image Reverting vandalism

Hi! A user Blacknclick recently changed the lead image on the page calling it a better photogtaph. I undid the edit since it seems to be taken in a private setting and 'better photograph' being very subjective. I also explained to the user on his/her talk page and requested that a discussion be initiated. However, the user again replaced the image with a different one this time. The new image also doesn't seem to be taken in a public place and has no consent associated. Can you please take a look and guide? Thanks, Traintogain (talk) 00:01, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

changes

to which changes are you referring? whatever they are you, you can see for yourself whether i'm right or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.68.253.209 (talk) 17:09, 22 November 2014‎ (UTC)

"I can see for myself" is a good example of what is totally forbidden on wikipedia. This policy is all explained in the links I put on your user talkpage. DMacks (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-48

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The move from Bugzilla to Phabricator is done. You can now report bugs in Phabricator. [55]

Problems

• There was a problem when editing tables in VisualEditor. VisualEditor was trying to fix bad values for the colspan or rowspan option. VisualEditor now leaves the bad values to avoid making things worse. This was fixed on November 17. [56]

Software changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki (1.25wmf9) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since November 19. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from November 25, and on all Wikipedias from November 26 (calendar).
• You will be able to try VisualEditor on many new wikis for the first time. After November 26, VisualEditor will become available on Wikidata, Wikiquote, Wikibooks, Wikiversity, Wikivoyage, and Wikinews wikis. You can find it in your Beta options. [57]
• VisualEditor now tells you if your edit needs to be approved. [58]
• You can now use VisualEditor's tools directly when you resume editing after closing the save window. [59]
• VisualEditor's table editing tools now work better in right-to-left languages. [60] [61]

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19:31, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Vikush106

After your final warning, this edit was made. Not exactly vandalism so bringing it to you. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:32, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. Indef'ed as advertising-only (the whole picture is presumably coicopyviospam). DMacks (talk) 19:16, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

MFB

Hi DMacks, sorry to trouble you but could you please go thru this articel? Mumbai Fire Brigade has a lot of content that I believe is either OR or a copyvio. I'm hoping that your experience in such matters would hep out. Thanks. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 06:40, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

I hacked out a few chunks purely on content basis. Are there particular sections you think are problematic? At worst, tagging them {{unreferenced-section}} or {{close paraphrasing|section}} or something like that would lead to their being fixed or deleted if nobody cares to do so. DMacks (talk) 07:00, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Quite a bit of it, like the history, the organisation structure, all seem problematic to me. I didn't want to remove it because I wanted a second opinion. -_Rsrikanth05 (talk) 09:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Etymology Kerala

The etymology which was added by me in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala was undone by various authors. I could not find proper reasons for undoing that. Hence, I had to revert those changes again. Thanks for informing that wikipedia has a terminology called edit-war. I was not aware of that, and I was not intentionally making a edit war or so. The edits I have made are genuine and there is very well a proof for that in the Kerala site (http://www.stateofkerala.in/kerala_facts/kerala_etymology.php). To add more, this same fact is mentioned in tamil and malayalam version of the same page itself.

I am not sure what is the right process to make the changes for this situation. Any guidelines or help would be appreciated.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jophine89 (talk • contribs) 08:17, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

That cite sounds like something to mention in an article-talkpage discussion about this issue. DMacks (talk) 18:51, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

StateofKerala.in doesn't sound like a Govt. body or something that could be considered reliable. I could be wrong though. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 07:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree. But even the proposed content is weasel-worded beyond that. If the editor feels like contributing to the talkpage, I would respond there about it. But if he's going to walk away, then I'll save my electrons. DMacks (talk) 07:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

That's generally what happens. Majority of new users fail to understand discussion and just edit despite numerous requests to discuss it or to atleast join the discussion. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 07:53, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

This user asked for assistance at several user-talk pages, we all pointed him to the same place (and one other even started the discussion for him). Seemed like he was trying to get into the wikipedia way of doing things. But oh well:( DMacks (talk) 08:15, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Oikyo Linux

Hello DMacks,

I'm Phoenix Aspacio I didn't mean to remove the "Article for Deletion" message in Oikyo Linux Aricle I'm just editing the article find some word that might cause something like copyrightvio to prevent it's deletion. Please help me what should I do to prevent this from happening?. Thank you and God bless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aspaciop (talk • contribs) 08:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Avoidign copyrightvio is easy: do not cut'n'paste content from anywhere. The main thing that the article needs, as I mentioned in the deletion-discussion, is evidence of what makes this distro notable (see that link for explanation of what that term means here). Citations of independent in-depth reviews, etc. You're welcome to continue to improve the article and/or contribute to the discussion. The AFD process will run for a week, allowing others to help improve the article and/or comment on whether it seems viable. DMacks (talk) 08:35, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

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Deathcore

Deathcore does not involve singing vocals, only screaming and growls, since when is this disruptive? Its true, you need to change it because the way you edited it is incorrect — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itstylerrivera (talk • contribs) 19:22, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Feel free to add with cites. The article itself later does make a statement about screaming/growling, but it's marked "citation needed", so it will have to be removed there if a reference is not provided. See verifiability policy and reliable sourcing guidelines for more information about how and why we need the citation. DMacks (talk) 19:33, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

edits on Vince Offer

Hi DMacks

I made a few changes to the Vince Offer page and I tried to put references for most of them I was able to. Which change are you specifically saying I used a poor source for? I am actually Vince's brother in law and I am making changes he requested... but I know that Wikipedia needs refs also. I am very new to editing.

I don't have a citation for his daughter baby because the press never picked that up... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Awchassy (talk • contribs) 05:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the contributions (and belated congratulations/mazel-tov to the family for their many occasions! The fact of marriage looks well cited now (at time I had looked, there was no source for that). The ref does not mention her last name, so "Mandate" is still a detail that needs to be sourced. Private life is sometimes not easily (or at all) verifiable by normal sources, as you mention, so sometimes a wikipedia article is forced to omit things that might be true. The policy is especially strict about personal details regarding people only relevant by association (not actually the subject of an article or notable in their own right)--see WP:BLPNAME for details. The bare number of children is as far as we can go without strong independent sources. DMacks (talk) 06:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Fugly (film)

Extend PC time? --George Ho (talk) 03:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

 Done DMacks (talk) 04:53, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

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Mobilink

Thanks DMacks for reverting the page back it put me in the state to read all the page editing material as I wasn't really aware of the fact I was promoting the its products. But most of the editing was non promotional. I will be very grateful if you give me a little guidance besides products and services what was disrupting material in the article so that I can recreate the page properly.--Omerahm (talk) 17:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:TONE is a good read. Essentially anything that is a marketing buzzword is not going to be valid: no "solutions", "unmatched", "enjoys", "cutting edge", etc. Just facts, not opinions. DMacks (talk) 17:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Sure I will be careful from now on. Need to remake the page all over. Omerahm (talk) 17:29, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Your latest set of changes look fine. Thanks for updating the information! DMacks (talk) 06:32, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Misclicked

Never mind! See you. CaTi0604 (talk) 07:08, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Deregulation of the Texas electricity market revert

Hi there. I noticed you reverted my (IP's) edit here. I'm curious why you think a lobby group paid by cities who have municipal electric monopolies is a reliable source regarding municipal electric monopolies? (NPOV says we say what other reliable sources say.) DimeCadmium (talk) 06:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

PS - my take on Wikipedia:Third-party sources is that it's not a reliable source. "A third-party source is not affiliated with the event, not paid by the people who are involved, and not otherwise likely to have a conflict of interest or significant bias related to the material." Do you disagree? DimeCadmium (talk) 06:15, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't think a source is intrinsically unusable just because its producer might have an agenda, unless the agenda seems able to impact the results. The specific statements look like factual data, not weasel-worded opinions of the group or conclusions from potentially loaded opinion polls they might have run. Is there any recent data available from a better source? As I said, if there are additional facts that cast doubt on the producer (or specifically of the report itself) or contradictory reports from other sources, they would be great additions. DMacks (talk) 06:20, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea if there are "other sources", though I'm sure there are. I don't really care to waste my time finding them, however.

Regardless, I don't doubt the truth of the data - just the implications of it. "residents in the deregulated market pay prices that are considerably higher than those who live in parts of the state that are still regulated" leads one to believe that there are no cheaper options in deregulated areas - when the reality is that a lot of people have just never changed from the incumbent provider in their area (just like with the Telco's). Ah well. DimeCadmium (talk) 06:27, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

How about "residents in the deregulated market on average pay prices that are considerably higher than those who live in parts of the state that are still regulated. Many of these residents have remained with the public utility rather than switching to alternative suppliers that may be cheaper."? That explains the potential cause to resolve what sounds like your concern with the original statement, and even introduces a new fact regarding deregulation. Assuming it's true according to some available cite you can dig up (if not, then the whole criticism fails WP:V/WP:SYNTHESIS). DMacks (talk) 06:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Mediation Committee question

I have raised this issue with the Mediation Committee.How do I check the status of it? Also,in the meantime,can I continue to edit the articles I find in poor taste in the page of disagreement under any circumstances(providing edit summary,replying on talkpage,etc)? 08:26, 15 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankisur2 (talk • contribs)

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Happy Holidays

Happy holidays and happy new year to my Editing Wikipedia "WikiProject New York City Public Transportation", editing coleuge(I have trouble speeling this word, it means two people who work at the same place.). From, very friendly, Doorknob747 00:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC) here is a gift of something rarely seen: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_interior_of_a_busy,_R160B_R_train.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doorknob747 (talk • contribs) 23:28, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit disputes process

Please explain to me how to update a page when I have doccumented information, and they delete it without a valid explanation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshclark82 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 19 December 2014‎ (UTC)

I submitted a mediation as well. I know I'm new to Wikipedia. But am having a hard time understanding why accurate, constructive, and documented information isn't "good enough" for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshclark82 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 19 December 2014‎ (UTC)

Now that you have made a legal threat, you have no permission to edit anywhere on wikipedia for any reason whatsoever until you explicitly revoke that threat (see WP:NLT policy). Therefore I will be unable to respond to you. Feel free to follow up here once you regain permission to edit. DMacks (talk) 07:28, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

A cheeseburger for you!

Thanks for this much needed revert....surprised I couldn't spot it.......Thanks!! ƬheStrikeΣagle 15:32, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! Editor was on my watchlist for that behavior already. DMacks (talk) 15:34, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Beverly Hills High School alumni

Beverly Hills High School has many notable alumni that are missing from the page.

Ryan (RJ) Francis director, actor, wrote, producer) has been in the film and TV industry for many years, all the way back to childhood. He can be easily found. Sam Nazarian was recently in the news as a night club mogul and multi- millionaire. Shifty Binzer and Doug Miller from the band Crazytown are alumni. Jeremy Booth is a high ranking MLB scout with the Seattle Mariners and former minor league baseball player. Michael Moore is a former 1st round MLB draft pick and played football and baseball at UCLA.

There are many searchable articles on all of these people. Your page needs to be updated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jpabooth15 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 24 December 2014‎ (UTC)

@Jpabooth15: I and I'm sure readers would welcome you or anyone else with this sort of information to update the page (those sorts of lists are usually woefully incomplete). I don't have specific interest in this topic myself or knowledge of the school to be able to find them. Bear in mind that "notability" for wikipedia is apparently not what you think It has a specific meaning, in keeping with wikipedia content policies, that is somewhat different or more specific than in common-use English. The links I left in your talkpage message already address that idea, but here is exactly the formal guideline about it, which contains the specific criteria: Wikipedia:Notability (people). DMacks (talk) 20:37, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

NY pics

Opps, I include it in commons to assure attribution, but always strip it from my EN contribs. Thanks for your comment and watching out. Happy Holliday's & Cheers! talk→ WPPilot  22:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

To you too! DMacks (talk) 03:22, 25 December 2014 (UTC)