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Maserati at Indianapolis

Hello DH85868993,

I'm sorry to bother you again, but I was going through the stats of the Maserati cars that competed at the Indy 500 when it was part of the World Championship. I'm having trouble finding sources that also state the model of the car rather than only the constructor. Maybe you can help me out.

StatsF1 list all Maserati cars that entered Indy between 1950-1953 and the Morgan Engineering entry of 1957 as a Maserati 8CTF.

I noticed kolumbus list the record of the 8CTF at Indianapolis. They only list a few of the entries stated by statsF1. So either the kolumbus list is incomplete or StatsF1 is wrong.

The Morgan Engineering entry was definitely a Maserati 4CLT/48 (chassis 1604 as stated by leonardasf1.narod.ru). Here is a picture of the car

MotorSportMagazine vaguely states that the car Mike Burch dove in 1950 was a Maserati V8 RI.

Perhaps you know some more sources? Maybe forix has anything on this. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 00:06, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Jahn1234567890. FORIX only lists the following Maserati Indy entries (unfortunately they don't seem to have included the details for the DNQs):

• 1950 12 Henry Banks Maserati 8CTF Offenhauser 3.0 L4C
• 1950 21 Spider Webb Maserati 8CTF Offenhauser 4.5 L4
• 1951 12 Johnny McDowell Maserati 8CTF Offenhauser 3.0 L4C

I'll have a look around for other sources when I get home. DH85868993 (talk) 01:57, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

motorsportmagazine suggests that:

• In 1950, Webb's car (entered by R.A.Cott/Fadely-Anderson) was 8CTF 3030 fitted with a 4-cylinder Offenhauser
• In 1950, Banks' car (entered by Indianapolis Race Cars) was 8CL 3035 fitted with a 4-cylinder Offenhauser
• In 1950, Indianapolis Race Cars also entered 8CTF 3032 but it "did not get beyond practice" - presumably this is Vukovich's #10 car
• In 1951, McDowell's car (entered by Maserati Race Cars) was 8CTF 3030 fitted with a supercharged 3-litre Offenhauser engine
• In 1951, Maserati Race Cars also entered 8CTF 3032 "unchanged from the Shaw days" but with no driver nominated
• In 1951, Joe Barzda entered 8CTF 3031 "as a normal 8CTF" (= with a Maserati engine?) for Bud Sennett to drive, but he crashed in practice
• Joe Barzda entered 8CTF 3031 in 1952 and 1953 but it failed to qualify on each occasion

DH85868993 (talk) 07:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

This page identifies 8CL 3035 as Banks' car in 1950 and also as Newman's 1953 car. DH85868993 (talk) 07:15, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

As with the 4CLT/48 of Kladis I highly doubt the V8RI (chassis 4501) of Mike Burch had a straight-eight supercharged engine. When chassis 4501 last raced at Indy in 1949, the car had an 4.5 L straight-4 Offenhauser engine. That Maserati was originally powered by an Maserati V8 engine. I think the car of Burch was powered by one of those engines. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 14:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

conceptcarz claims that chassis 3031 ran each year at the Indy 500 until 1953. If this source is correct one of the two remaining unknown Maserati's of 1950 would be an 8CTF. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 20:08, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

oldracingcars.com says "Barzda's 1951 Indianapolis 500 attempt was notable as he tried to qualify his own 8CTF Maserati pre-war Grand Prix car, which Barzda tweaked to accommodate an Offenhauser engine." Could this be 3032? Given that 3030 and 3031 are already accounted for that year, and Holmes' 1952 car (suspected to be 3032) has an Offenhauser engine.

After going through the sources on your sandbox I'm pretty sure Mike Burch never made any attempt to qualify for the Indy 500. If he failed his physical exam there is no chance he ever hit the track. I also doubt if there ever was a Maserati. All pictures of the No. 84 are of the Miller Ford. champcarstats list both drivers of the No. 84, but they list the Miller Ford. I don't trust StatsF1 on the chassis stats simply because they ist every Maserati that attempted Indy as an 8CTF (except for Ralph Liguori's 420M in 1959). Only 3 8CTF's were built wich makes it quite impossible for all cars to be that type of Maserati. I would not be surprised if other sources copied those statistics from StatsF1. Burch is one of the most obscure driver that entered the Indianapolis 500 so it's going to be difficult to find new information, but I will see if I can find any more on this. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 15:16, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

It's very confusing, isn't it? Sources such as racing-reference, conceptcarz and hotrod.com describe Burch and/or Earl driving #84 Miller-Ford (the "Shreve Special"), but multiple other sources, e.g. StatsF1, indycar-hungary.hu, motorsportmagazine(1) and motorsportmagazine(2) make reference to Burch in a Maserati (although some say 8CTF and others say V8RI). As you say, it hard to know when one site has copied from another. Most convincing for me is motorsportmagazine(2) - Denis Jenkinson (DSJ) is usually very reliable. I'll also continue to investigate further. DH85868993 (talk) 02:24, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

I found a great thread on Maserati at Indianapolis on a Autosport forum. There is a lot of information on here. It will take a while to go through all. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 10:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Summary

(Jahn1234567890, feel free to update this table as/if you find more information)

Year	Entrant	No	Driver	Type	Chassis	Engine	Notes
1950	Indianapolis Race Cars	10	Bill Vukovich	8CTF	3032	Maserati L8c	motorsportmagazine says that in addition to Banks' car, Indianapolis Race Cars also entered 8CTF 3032; this must be Vukovich's car
1950	Indianapolis Race Cars	12	Henry Banks	8CL	3035	Offenhauser L4c
1950	Fadely-Anderson/R.A. Cott	21	Spider Webb	8CTF	3030	Offenhauser L4
1950	Federal Engineering	39	Danny Kladis	8CTF	3031	Maserati L8c	Maybe 8CTF 3031? See Note 2
1950	George Hoster Inc.	84	Mike Burch	V8RI	4501		StatsF1 says the engine was a L8c, but this is questionable. When chassis 4501 last raced at Indy in 1949, the car had an 4.5 L straight-4 Offenhauser engine. That Maserati was originally powered by a Maserati V8 engine. Suspect the car was powered by one of those engines
1950	Coast Grain	85	Jim Rigsby/ Manny Ayulo	V8RI	4502	Offenhauser L4
1951	W.J. / Maserati Race Cars	12	Johnny McDowell	8CTF	3030 or 3032	Offenhauser L4c	kolumbus says 4.5 litre Offenhauser.
1951	Joe Barzda	49	Joe Barzda	8CTF	3030	Offenhauser L4	If it's an 8CTF, it must be either 3030 or 3032 - whichever one McDowell's car isn't!
1951	Auto Accessories / Joe Barzda	51	Bud Sennett	8CTF	3031	Maserati L8c	See Note 1
1952	Fadely-Anderson/R.A. Cott	23	Carl Forberg	8CTF	3030	Offenhauser L4	Maybe 8CTF 3030, same as in 1950?
1952	Speed International	41	Jackie Holmes	8CTF	3032	Offenhauser L4c
1952	California Speed	53	Joe Barzda	8CTF	3031	Offenhauser L4	See Note 1
1953	Roy Newman	43	Roy Newman	8CL	3035	Maserati L8c
1953	California Speed	69	Joe Barzda	8CTF	3031	Maserati L8c	See Note 1
1953	Fadely-Anderson/R.A. Cott	89	Spider Webb	8CTF	3030	Offenhauser L4	Maybe 8CTF 3030, same as in 1950?
1957	Morgan Engineering	72	Danny Kladis	4CLT/48	1604	Maserati L4	StatsF1 says the engine was a L8c, but this is questionable. Here's a picture of the engine

References

Notes:

1. kolumbus shows Joe Barzda entering 8CTF 3031 for Bud Sennett in 1952 and unknown drivers in 1953 and 1954. StatsF1 shows Barzda and Sennett both entered in 1951 and Barzda entered as a driver in 1952 and 1953. motorsportmagazine says Barzda entered 3031 for Sennett in 1951 and then entered it again (for himself?) in 1952 and 1953. So DH85868993 is inclined to believe that 3031 was entered in 1951, 1952 and 1953 and that kolumbus (which says 1952, 1953 and 1954) is incorrect.
2. conceptcarz claims that chassis 3031 ran each year at the Indy 500 until 1953.

Using British English spelling for AMERICAN firm's product description?

Dear DH85868993:

The PIPE Here...I fully accept British English spellings for words used to describe British firm's products, and indeed since most non-Western Hemisphere citizens learn British English and its spellings first, I've come to accept that, too. But spelling the products of an AMERICAN firm with the British English spelling of "tyres", well, that's simply sounds like a weird convention to adopt...as the modern Bridgestone/Firestone firm does make TIRES, and "perhaps" if the firm did have a British division, "they would make "tyres", then"...but please allow for SOME form of the differing forms of English's spelling conventions, to match the origin of a commercial firm's Anglophone birthplace, please??

The PIPE (talk) 00:56, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi The PIPE. I take your point, but all the other instances within the article are spelled "tyre" and WP:ENGVAR (specifically MOS:CONSISTENCY) states that "Within a given article the conventions of one particular variety [of English] should be followed consistently". Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 01:25, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Mclaren MP4/1

According to Frank Dernie who was the designer for Lotus and Williams, Lotus were the first to have their car on track and they build it in house. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.197.251.188 (talk) 19:48, 27 September 2018 (UTC)

Template:2018 Commonwealth Games women's basketball Pool B standings

Agree on deletion of Template:2018 Commonwealth Games women's basketball Pool B standings, as it actually is a duplication.--Anbans 585 (talk) 21:29, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Assuming nobody objects to the deletion, it should be deleted within the next few days. DH85868993 (talk) 21:35, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

"Hard" compound is actually called Ice.

https://www.pirelli.com/tires/en-us/motorsport/homepage-f1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.100.219 (talk) 20:36, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

I respectfully suggest that is an error on Pirelli's webpage - every media report I've ever seen has referred to the compound as "hard" and the colour as "ice blue", e.g. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. I've started a discussion at Talk:Formula_One_tyres#Name_of_the_compound_between_Medium_and_Superhard. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 21:06, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Formula One articles modifications.

Hi.

Thank you for your messages. I understand why you reverted my contributions, but I disagree with this decision because it causes a confusion for people who read these articles when then see the used flag is in concordance with the country where it is located and not with the country or region associated to the Grand Prix. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick Vedel (talk • contribs) 22:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi Patrick. You're welcome to start a discussion at the Formula One WikiProject discussion page, but the current convention is the result of numerous lengthy discussions (at least here, here and here and here). Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 22:56, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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Sergey Sirotkin

Don't remove that information you clown. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.68.84.41 (talk) 12:05, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

250 TR heading caps (sorry!)

I think I accidentally rolled back your changes to heading caps when I added a photo to Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa. It was not on purpose- just posting here because didn't want you to think I was trying to start an edit war. Have a good one! Prova MO (talk) 03:34, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

No problem. I assumed it was accidental. You have a good one too. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 03:51, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Your Recent Edit to Lewis Hamilton

Hi, Happy New Year, Just to let you know when you removed the 2018 info from the page you left one of the comments in asking that it wasn't removed until the new year. I've just removed the comment for you but keep in mind for other articles that their maybe a comment a both top and bottom of the area not to be removed. Thanks, RhinosF1 (talk) 11:08, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi RhinosF1. The wikinote below the text I removed is in relation to the *2019* team. I've restored it. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 11:11, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Didn't spot that, thanks RhinosF1 (talk) 11:14, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

No worries. Happy New Year! DH85868993 (talk) 11:17, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

On some pages it uses |Team = and on some |2019 Team= - Which one should be in use? some are also missing <!-- Please leave the 2019 team in the infobox until at least 1 January 2020 -->RhinosF1 (talk) 11:23, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

@RhinosF1: I've done all the drivers. 2018 drivers who are driving in 2019 have the "2019 Team" parameter and the 2019 wikinote. 2018 drivers who are not driving in 2019 (Alonso, Vandoorne, Ocon, Hartley, Sirotkin and Ericsson) have the "Teams" parameter and no wikinote. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 11:26, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying RhinosF1 (talk) 11:29, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

No worries. DH85868993 (talk) 11:30, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

Matra V12 engine 1978

Hello DH85868993,

I've got a question. A lot of sources differ on which version of the Matra engine Ligier used during the 1978 season. OldRacingCars only list the MS76 version for Ligier's 1978 cars. StatsF1 lists the MS76 as well as the MS78 version. Forix only list the MS78 version for the 1978 season. Do you by any chance know other sources to figure out when which engine was used? Jahn1234567890 (talk) 19:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi Jahn1234567890. I'm at work at the moment. I'll see if I can find any additional sources when I get home this evening. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 21:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

I did some Googling during my lunch break. racing-reference.info says "MS76" for the whole season. The text under this Youtube video identifies the MS78 as an evolution of the MS76, which might explain why some sites consider them to be the same. I'll check my hardcopy sources when I get home. DH85868993 (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Hmm. My hardcopy sources at home didn't offer any further info, however I notice that this different Forix page lists both MS76 and MS78 for 1978, which matches what StatsF1 says. ESPN says MS76 for the JS7 (Argentina and Brazil) and MS78 for the JS7/9 and JS9 (South Africa onwards). DH85868993 (talk) 11:39, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your help it is much appreciated! I'm sure they used both engines in 1978 so for the entry list on the 1978 season and the results table on the Ligier page we have all the info necessary. Race by race info is only needed for Jacques Laffite's results table. So the only question is which source to use? Jahn1234567890 (talk) 15:27, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

It's hard to know. StatsF1 effectively says "MS76 until Belgium and then MS78 from Spain onwards", whereas ESPN says "MS76 for the JS7, MS78 for the JS7/9 and JS9", either of which could be correct. I guess on balance I'd consider ESPN to be a more reliable source, so I'd probably be tempted to go that way. DH85868993 (talk) 20:37, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

We'll go with that. Usually when a team got a new engine back then they did not necessarily equip the older chassis with the new engine as in this case the JS7 got relegated as the backup car. Even though we can't be a 100% sure, I think it is most likely Ligier never used the MS78 engine for the JS7. As always many thank for your help. Jahn1234567890 (talk) 01:15, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

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Sorry and thanks

Sorry about the edit which you had to revert this edit, I just thought that it listed all the flags they competed under, I think its best to add a note to that effect which I am going to input now. SSSB (talk) 08:37, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@SSSB: No worries. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 19:23, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Leslie Marr

Hi DH

I've joined Wiki to assist Leslie Marr the British artist in changing the wiki page for him. The page refers to just three or four years when he was involved in racing and he would like more weight put on his decades of art. He is 96 and would prefer the mention of him online to be less of racing and his baronetcy (which he is embarrassed by) and more about his art. He has a Youtube channel that he would like linked too.

I had changed most of the wiki page for him on Friday (UK time) but it has reverted. As I say, I am new here and may have done it wrong).

If you can assist in any way, I would be appreciative.

Regards TE editto.Edittoo (talk) 10:55, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Edittoo. Sorry for not replying sooner. It looks like other editors have already updated the article. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 06:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

• Hi DH, on the question of Marr, an editor has 'collapsed' the i/bx by removing the zeros for podiums etc. Has there been any discussion about this in the past? It's asking the 'casual' reader to extract the information from the results table and without the italics / bold /annotation for FL or pole (as is the case here) it is not at all clear. There are quite a few drivers with zeros in those fields; a change like this would affect multiple articles and should perhaps be raised at the project page. 'Conventions' doesn't seem to have anything about it? Cheers, Eagleash (talk) 06:50, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Eagleash. I think the vast majority of articles include the zeros, but I don't recall there ever being a discussion about it. Usually if an editor removes the zeros, someone else comes and reinstates them a short time later. Feel free to start a discussion at WT:F1. DH85868993 (talk) 07:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Reverting my edit on list of red flagged races

Hi, you recently undid my edit on list of red flagged races when I added James Hunt, I understand the removal of hunt but I don't understand why the Lafite and Regazzoni (?) are kept, according to the race report all 3 restarted and were disqualified (although at different times) so why are Lafite and Regazzoni listed but not Lafite (I ask here rather that at WT:F1 as I wish to avoid a potentially long and tedious discussion.) SSSB (talk) 10:36, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

It's worth noting that all 3 are listed as disqualified for a car change in the race classification in the article. SSSB (talk) 10:42, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi SSSB. I guess whoever originally added the text thought it was worth mentioning that Laffite and Regazzoni restarted in spare cars. As I indicated in my edit summary, I'd be happy for the whole sentence to be removed. Alternatively, it could be changed to "None although Clay Regazzoni, Jacques Laffite and James Hunt were all deemed to have restarted illegally, and were subsequently disqualified.". Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 11:07, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Gawler police station

The "ADG" was a sort key, it's simply a way of ensuring it appears with other Adelaide images I took. It shouldn't be in the caption. Thanks for letting me know. Orderinchaos 12:52, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Warning templates

Hi, about the recent revert you made to Niki Lauda. Next time you might want to add a template message useful to inform the editor that what he did was wrong and it make it clear he has been warned should he later need to be blocked. Thanks, SSSB (talk) 08:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

@SSSB: Ha! I was just about to do that when I was called away from my computer; I've only just managed to get back. Thanks for leaving the message on the IP's talk page. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 10:45, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

No problem, just wanted to make sure you knew. SSSB (talk) 12:29, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Repeat winners by engine manufacturer

If I make a list of it for every other Grand Prix, can we then keep them? It might be useful or interesting for people. Carfan568 (talk) 15:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Carfan568. I suggest you start a discussion at the Formula One WikiProject to see if you can gain consensus there. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 21:25, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Not meaning to edit war but...

The confusion here is that this is the spouse field, not the infobox's main subject. Soichiro Honda 's wife Sachi died in 2013. Soichiro himself had died in 1991. Both have citations that say so. Cheers. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

@Dennis Bratland: I can't believe I misread that so badly! I'm so embarrassed. Thanks for fixing it. DH85868993 (talk) 20:52, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

I do the same thing all the time. I had to convince myself it wasn't me that was getting this one wrong. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:29, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Copyeditor's Barnstar
	Thank you for constantly correcting my bad spelling. We owe you one. SSSB (talk) 08:08, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Red Bull Ring circuit configuration

The current lenght is from 2016 edition and not for 2014 as AlexMPgh412 has done yesterday in Red Bull Ring. Can you fix it? Best regards.--79.46.101.39 (talk) 14:30, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing out the error. DH85868993 (talk) 22:11, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

Templates

I had just come to the F1 project page to post about that discussion and saw you had tree'd me! Thanks. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 15:36, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Temple Buell

Can you give me the links you mention? And why don't I find them in the article? --Adriel 00 (talk) 16:30, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Adriel 00. Here's a link to FORIX's entry list for the race: http://www.forix.com/gp.php?l=0&r=19580010&c=1, however note that FORIX is a subscription site so you won't be able to view the content unless you have a subscription to the site (which is why I didn't add the link to the article or my edit summaries). And Mike Lang's Grand Prix! is a book, so I couldn't add a link to that. However, since your question, I went looking for additional sources online and discovered that Motor Sport magazine's contemporary race report covers the situation in some detail (search for occurrences of "Shelby" on that page to find the info quickly). Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 21:42, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Then one of the sources should be placed in the tables of both articles, because neither the table nor the text have it. I think the most practical would be the book. Thanks and regards! --Adriel 00 (talk) 00:59, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I'll add the source to the articles (but probably not until tomorrow). DH85868993 (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

I've added notes (with the book as a reference) to Scuderia Centro Sud, Carroll Shelby and 1958 Italian Grand Prix. I didn't think a note was required at Masten Gregory because from his point of view, it was just a "normal" shared drive. DH85868993 (talk) 23:07, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Another thing, the link redirects to an architect, is it correct? --Adriel 00 (talk) 01:04, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

The FORIX link (http://www.forix.com/gp.php?l=0&r=19580010&c=1) ? For me it goes to FORIX, but I have a subscription. Perhaps it redirects to an architect if you don't have a subscription. Weird. DH85868993 (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello again. I meant the Temple Buell link. --Adriel 00 (talk) 18:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

I probably should have guessed that! I did some research and it seems "motor racing" Temple Buell was the son of the architect (see this webpage); I've updated the links accordingly. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 23:11, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

We need you

Hi DH85868993, Hope all is well. As I'm sure you are aware there is a discussion on going at Talk:2019 Formula One World Championship#Fuel footnote. Now normally I would make a common sense edit and make the change as the discussion is a wp:snow but this is Mclarenfan17 we're talking about. He is very unlikely to ever accept he lost and any change I make without his consent will doubtless be attacked as ignoring the discussion and a could possible end up with me being dragged up in front of admins for nothing which is something I'd rather avoid. I was therefore wondering if you as an experienced editor, both in wp:f1 and Wikipedia in generally would mind officially closing this discussion as it would otherwise go in circles indefinitely. Thanks,
SSSB (talk) 06:36, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

@SSSB: Just wanted to let you know that I've seen your message but I'm kind of reluctant to get involved. I wonder if it might be preferable to get someone completely impartial to close it? Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 13:00, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

No problem. I'd much rather not get an admin involved for 2 reasons. 1.It takes forever and 2.We don't meet the criteria for an admin closure. However the discussion appears to have stopped going aroud in circles. If in a few days we have no new content then I will simply insert a statement that there is a clear (but not unanimous) consensus to remove the footnote (or something along those lines) and then I'll do so. Then I'll take it to admins if absoulutly necessary. I was only asking you to avoid it going in circles for ever. Thanks anyway
SSSB (talk) 08:30, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Copyright infringement

Hi. Thank you for your mails. I have been approached with claims of Copyright infringement. However, I wish to make iy clear, that I am from Brhaddhvani, and all the content that is being inserted into wikipedia is not a violation of copyright rules. The content which you claim has been plagiarized is the property of Brhaddhvani and I have the permission to copy-paste it anywhere. However, I have now modified the text, and hope it is no longer violating your rules. Please let me know if it needs to be further modified. Thank you. Mathuriga1 (talk) 16:01, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Mathuriga1. Thank you for your message, but I don't recall sending you any mails or leaving you any messages. Are you possibly confusing me with another editor? (Perhaps User:Diannaa, who left this message on your talkpage)? Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 21:27, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

about qualifying

Hi DH85868993. I have understood you mean. I will obey Wikipedian's rule. but I would like to say that the "NC" is described in official Formula1.com website. I only followed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.180.153.140 (talk) 17:50, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

How did you do that?

I tried to make a Race of the Century (swimming) redirect, but it forced the page to be named as the existing Race of the Century (Swimming) [capitalized] redirect. I couldn't move the capitalized version either. How were you able to do it? Hoof Hearted (talk) 12:12, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

@Hoof Hearted: What I did was I typed "Race of the Century (swimming)" (i.e. with the exact capitalisation I wanted) into the search box, then pressed "Search" (not "Go" - if I pressed "Go", it took me to the existing redirect Race of the Century (Swimming), i.e. with a capital "S"). When I pressed "Search", it brought up a list of search results, but at the top of the list there was a message:

You may create the page "Race Of The Century (swimming)", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.

So I clicked on the red link, and it let me create the redirect with the capitalisation I wanted. Hope this helps. DH85868993 (talk) 20:27, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I must have clicked "Go". I'll be more careful next time! Thanks for the lesson. Hoof Hearted (talk) 20:39, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

No problem. DH85868993 (talk) 21:37, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Autodromo di Monza name

Dear DH, the official name of the circuit includes the "di" (italian for "of"). Look at https://www.monzanet.it/images/content/pages/docs/autodromo-monza-5iDcEifRtuRhDPU.pdf, part of the official circuit website. You will find an official contractual guideline by the SIAS SpA (the owners of the circuit) clearly indicating the circuit official (and legal) name. At page 3 the first line of the box is headed "Nome della Società e Ragione Sociale" ("Company name and business name"), that is given as "Autodromo Nazionale di Monza", followed by the owner's name ("S.I.A.S. Società Incremento Automobilistico e Sport S.p.A). Quite straightforward. Therefore I would kindly ask you please to cancel the rollback to my correction to the "List of Formula One fatalities" article or, in case of any further doubt, please do not hesitate to contact me. All the best and friendliest regards. --Arturolorioli (talk) 15:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Arturolorioli. I have reverted my change. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 02:21, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, much appreciated. All the best. --Arturolorioli (talk) 12:41, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

User name

Hello. This may or may not be a minor problem. I have just created an account here and just made my first edit to a Formula One related article. After glancing at the edit history, it immediately struck me how similar my user name is to yours (the first two letters mostly). For a second they looked like the same editor. Here's a link to that page history. I wish I had thought my name choice through more. Tbh, I may have been subconsciously influenced by seeing your user name on occasion and something about the simplicity of my initials seemed appropriate.

I know you have been editing F1 articles heavily for a long time. I recently started doing so a few months ago while still under an unregistered IP. I will leave it up to you. If you think the similarity will cause you or anyone else any confusion, I will have no problem refraining from editing F1 related pages in the future. Or at least not regularly. I really wouldn't mind at all. It's just for fun for me anyway. Thoughts? DB1729 (talk) 21:55, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi DB1729. I think our usernames are sufficiently dissimilar that nobody should get confused. But thanks for asking. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 23:14, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

OK. Well, I will keep an eye out. I was also thinking about registering a new account and new name. You may be right though, hopefully not a problem. Thanks. --DB1729 (talk) 23:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

'Practice only' in tables

Hi, was there a discussion (probably some years ago now) about adding 'PO' to F1 results tables? An editor has included just one, in 1970, at Tyrrell 001 and although it is correct, Stewart Jackpot used the 001 in practice throughout most of 1971 as well (Small, 1994, p361). I think it would look a little 'odd' to have almost an entire row of 'PO' in a table. There may be a distinction here between a car used in practice and a driver appearing in practice only – as a test driver or unable to contest the race for whatever reason.

Hi Eagleash. I don't remember a discussion about 'PO', but I'll have a dig through the archives and see if I can find anything. DH85868993 (talk) 22:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

I did try the archives but couldn't find anything... I'm never very successful with fairly vague searches like that! Eagleash (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Here is the discussion which led to 'PO' being added to the key. I'll keep looking for others. DH85868993 (talk) 03:37, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I think I've seen that discussion before, so may be what I was thinking of: as I read it, that refers to drivers rather than cars so I think that using PO for cars taken to GPs as spares or T-cars should probably not be included, even if used in practice. Historically, 'last year's model' was often taken to meetings as 'reserve'. Sometimes used, sometimes not, sometimes used for testing or comparison purposes for just a lap or 2. Eagleash (talk) 10:22, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

On another issue (sorry!) do we use the F1 driver infobox for those who have only competed in non-championship events? I've created some articles (Dean, Holland, Brooke) for non-champ drivers but used the basic 'racing driver' i/bx. The F1 box renders a 'World Championship Career' heading which doesn't apply. 'Racing driver' has a built in child module so think we should be using that. The conventions page appears ambiguous, to me at least. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 15:56, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

My understanding is that the F1 driver infobox should be used only for drivers who competed in WDC races or (only) British F1 championship races (you'll notice the template has a series of "bf1" parameters). For drivers who competed in non-WDC/non-British-championship F1 events, I would use infobox racing driver, as you have described above. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 22:50, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

So what was 'colloquially' known or referred to, as the Aurora series then? The Gold Cup, International Trophy and Victory Race events won't count... Same editor, at Gordon Spice – this is the guy I tend to think is 'Taki' when he pops into my watchlist but turns out to be a regular IP contributor from Coppell, Texas. That name sticks in my mind! Thanks for help. Taki BTW, has been blocked and reblocked as disruptive several times since Feb. 2017. He's around at the moment editing from an IP. Not range-blocked (yet) as behaving himself and not fiddling with F1 pages. Best. Eagleash (talk) 00:02, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

So what was 'colloquially' known or referred to, as the Aurora series then?

Yes.

The Gold Cup, International Trophy and Victory Race events won't count...

That's right. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 00:15, 30 October 2019 (UTC)

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I hate it when it does this, I've moved everything from this category to Category:Diriyah ePrix to reflect the name change (see Diriyah ePrix. Thanks and sorry for this.
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No worries. DH85868993 (talk) 21:28, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

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Pinging

Hi, I saw your post as isomeone Thanked me for mine and I went to look ... but your ping ddn't work. You need to add a ping and a signature in same edit for it to work. Thanks anyway. PamD 07:39, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. DH85868993 (talk) 12:27, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

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Heads up

Recent edits re Aston Martin and 2021. 'Taki'. So far, Admin. have declined to block. Eagleash (talk) 22:36, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. DH85868993 (talk) 07:24, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

• Also; this, is his latest sock. Eagleash (talk) 10:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: Thanks for the info. DH85868993 (talk) 10:58, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

• looks like Taki (reported). Also three (yep) other socks blocked, last week, as a result of the 'Death of Ronnie Peterson' draft. Eagleash (talk) 11:37, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 07:49, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

your edit to European Grand Prix

Hi DH85868993,

I'm not going to revert your edit, however the reason I didn't do it myself is that all of the "repeat winners" tables only relate to the "standalone" races so now the subsections are a bit odd. Maybe the "repeat winners" section could go after the first list of winners? I don't know but it probably doesn't matter much anyway. Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 05:59, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

@A7V2: I hadn't noticed that. Thanks for pointing it out. I've reverted my change. I considered moving the "repeat winners" tables after the "standalone by year" table, but then it would make the article inconsistent with all the other "xxx Grand Prix" articles. As you say, the order of the tables probably doesn't really matter all that much anyway. DH85868993 (talk) 10:35, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

The problem of course is that due to the race's history it can never truly be consistent unless the "repeat winners" section incorporates the old races too but I'm not sure if that's the right thing to do. Should I bring it up on the F1 project page? A7V2 (talk) 23:05, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks, but what was it?

Hi there - I'm not sure what this edit actually did? I can't see any difference on the sreen. Can you please explain? :) thanks, --Merbabu (talk) 09:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Merbabu: It makes the ship names ("Kanimbla, "Kurra-Ba" and "Kosciusko") appear in italics in the article title, per the convention for ship articles. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 09:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Merbabu: (stalking) here. Note: The displayed change isn't visible in the diff. Load Kanimbla / Kurra-Ba and Kosciusko normally and you will see the article title now has the ships' names in italics. --DB1729 (talk) 14:52, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@DH85868993:@DB1729: Thanks all. I intend creating a few more sydney ferry articles, so this is good to know. --Merbabu (talk) 06:11, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@Merbabu: If the ship name has a "prefix" (like HMAS or MV or SS), and the whole article title except the prefix needs to be italicised (= the majority of cases) then you don't need the "display title" parameter, and can just use {{Infobox ship begin}} and the article title will be correctly italicised - see HMAS Koompartoo as an example. If there's no prefix, but the entire article title needs to be italicised, then you can use {{Infobox ship begin|display title=ital}} - see Lady Cutler as an example, but if not all the title needs to be italicised, e.g. the article title contains the names of multiple ships, then you can use the "display title" parameter to specify the exact formatting required, as I did in Kanimbla / Kurra-Ba and Kosciusko. Hope this helps. DH85868993 (talk) 06:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Actually, speaking of Lady Cutler, I notice that you recently moved the article from MV Lady Cutler to Lady Cutler. (Knowing nothing about the ship myself), is it correct to refer her as "MV Lady Cutler"? Or is her name just "Lady Cutler"? i.e. should the two instances of "MV Lady Cutler" in the article be changed to "Lady Cutler"? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 06:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

The nationality of Harry Ferguson

You made an edit with the comment "the lead says he was "Irish-born British"; in any regard, the word "Irish" shouldn't be linked to United Kingdom". Why do you make that statement and, I suppose, believe its correct? I see you live in Australia, I live in New Zealand and was born here and I think your statement is simply factually incorrect. Why do you believe I'm wrong? Eddaido (talk) 12:23, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

@Eddaido: In my edit summary, I wrote 'the lead says he was "Irish-born British" ', which it does - the lead of the article says "Henry George "Harry" Ferguson (4 November 1884 – 25 October 1960) was an Irish-born British mechanic and inventor". I wasn't debating whether Ferguson was "Irish" or "British", I was indicating my belief that the nationality listed in the infobox should match what it says in the lead of the article, i.e. they should either both say he was "Irish" or both say he was "British". I also wrote "in any regard, the word "Irish" shouldn't be linked to United Kingdom": linking the word "Irish" to the article United Kingdom, i.e. [[United Kingdom|Irish]] is what's known as an "Easter Egg link", i.e. a link which takes the reader somewhere they wouldn't expect to end up, which is discouraged by the guideline MOS:EGG. In an infobox "Nationality" field, the word "Irish" is typically liked to Ireland or Republic of Ireland or Irish people; I think it's very uncommon for it to be linked to United Kingdom. I hope this clarifies things. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 13:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Nope, puzzled that you think it might. He was born in the United Kingdom, in Ireland, and that part remains part of the United Kingdom today. Did you not know that? Eddaido (talk) 12:00, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@DH85868993: You say "I think it's very uncommon for it to be linked to United Kingdom". Maybe you think wrong? Well, here it is linked to the United Kingdom and the name of the article is British people. Eddaido (talk) 08:35, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Eddaido: the word Irish should never link back to United Kingdom because it is an EGG. If he was born in Ireland while it belonged to the UK then he can still be referred to as Irish people regardless of whether Ireland was occupied at the time. Being Irish is not dependent on who occupied the island at the time.

However, that does not mean that Ferguson was a Irish national. At the time Ireland was occupied by the UK and Ireland as a nation didn't exist, by extension, Irish as a nationality didn't exist.
SSSB (talk) 09:21, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@SSSB: Pardon me but that is even yet more twisted thinking. I leave you (and perhaps DH85868993) to it. Eddaido (talk) 09:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Alfa Romeo F1

Hi, in 2019 Alfa Romeo Racing isn't a new Alfa Romeo direct activity in racing; statistics are always referred to Sauber, podiums and points are Sauber's podiums/points, not Alfa Romeo. The team is Swiss, not italian. In the Italian wiki we discussed a lot about it. Offical social pages of Alfa Romeo Racing still use sometimies references to Sauber. The propertors of the team are always Sauber's ones, not FCA. Alfa Romeo is only a title sponsor. A big title sponsor, an important title sponsor, an involved title sponsor, but only a sponsor --Moxmarco (talk) 10:09, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Moxmarco. We discussed it here at English Wikipedia too, and we decided that the cars were "Alfa Romeos". We credit their starts and points to Alfa Romeo in Formula One, not Sauber and identify Alfa Romeo as a current constructor in List of Formula One constructors and List of Formula One records. You're welcome to start a discussion at the Formula One WikiProject if you like. DH85868993 (talk) 11:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

1958 Moroccan Grand Prix

Hi, can you confirm the IP is right about Moss and the fastest lap etc. (this edit). As I figure it, Moss and Hawthorn would have been level on points if Stirling won but without FL point with Hawthorn third (no FL); so Moss would be champ on 'count back' of wins. Cheers. Eagleash (talk) 11:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Eagleash: I think you are both right: if Moss won (without FL) and Hawthorn finished third (without FL), then Moss and Hawthorn would be tied on points and Moss would win on countback. Although interestingly, both this BBC webpage and Mike Lang's Grand Prix! Vol 1 suggest that Moss needed to win and set fastest lap with Hawthorn no better than third to take the title. But maybe they were just thinking about Moss outscoring Hawthorn and not considering the countback scenario. DH85868993 (talk) 11:59, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks.. I didn't mean to imply that I thought the IP was wrong... I thought it was right but wanted to 'double-check'. Ta. Eagleash (talk) 12:02, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

List of Formula One race records

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Re: Lap leader templates

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