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Cydebot is not finishing some CFD deletions

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Hi Cyde, your estimable Cydebot sometimes declines to finish deletions listed at WP:CFDW. At any rate it is not emptying Category:ESPY Award winners‎, even though these seem to be categorised only in the usual way (not via a template). However, it did just empty Category:Nudity in film. Looking at past contribs, I see that it removed the category from most ESPY award winners, but left the last three (Betsy King, Lorena Ochoa, Dottie Pepper). Rather than complete the task manually, I have left them in case this may help you to diagnose something to fix.

Cydebot is also patchy in deleting the old category after renaming, e.g. Category:Military facilities of the United States in Germany to Category:Military installations of the United States in Germany. In at least some cases where it creates a redirect page at the old name and does not delete it, the category names are somewhat long; might it help if you extend the length of the string that it can handle for that purpose? – Fayenatic London 10:48, 15 July 2015 (UTC)Reply

I'm looking into it. The bot is dying when it's trying to retrieve the pages in that particular category. No output, just dumps back to command line. Weird! I'm trying to figure out what's going on. --Cyde Weys 14:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Thanks. For the second point, here is a permalink showing a list of successes and failures in deleting the old category after a multiple rename of church buildings categories, in which I cannot discern any pattern. – Fayenatic London 13:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
I see user:Armbrust edited those 3 remaining ESPY pages manually, after which Cydebot deleted the empty category. – Fayenatic London 21:08, 19 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Cydebot is still acting inconsistently:
Grateful for your continued attention. – Fayenatic London 08:14, 21 July 2015 (UTC)Reply
Hello, Cyde. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.
– Fayenatic London 19:40, 3 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

I'm running again with the latest version of pywikibot-core. Let's see what happens now. Unfortunately a lot of this behavior keeps changing out from under me as I update versions, because it's all fairly complicated and I'm not sure all of the other devs understand the full set of intended CFD behaviors. But I can't just not update, because MediaWiki and its API change too, and older versions of pywikibot won't run correctly. --Cyde Weys 14:42, 4 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Seems to be working again, with minor quirks as before (3rd bullet point above), but I'm very grateful for your quick response on the main functionality. – Fayenatic London 15:14, 4 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
It's still leaving redirects behind. User:Airplaneman deleted most from today – thanks, Airplaneman! – leaving a judicious selection.[1] – Fayenatic London 21:54, 4 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Ah, I see that Cydebot sometimes adds a {{delete}} template to the redirect after moving the page.[2] Is it meant to omit this on others? – Fayenatic London 10:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Now it is adding the template multiple times to some talk pages, e.g. [3] (for deletion), and [4] which should have been moved rather than deleted. – Fayenatic London 20:47, 6 August 2015 (UTC)Reply
Ugh, people have really been doing a number on the Pywikibot framework. First I have to figure out what the intent of all these changes was, and then why they're backfiring. --Cyde Weys 02:10, 7 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Good Morning Sir, 

          My name is Rajendra Singh Jadon working under Doitc Department of Govenment of Rajasthan and I have created an article named as "IA Demands 4200GrdPay" this is about our joint effort which we are using/doing please do not delete it, because we are improving this article day by day and after the completion it show the information about Doit&C Department, IT unions in Rajasthan and working environment.

Thanks & Regards

Rajendra Singh Jadon email- rajsigjadon@gmail.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.215.181.181 (talk) 05:54, 16 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

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My User Page

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Hi Cyde,

Owned by me User page I open more than one account by claiming that the user has blocked indefinitely Favoni my user page. I want you to remove it from you, please.

NoUsername1 (talk) 05:14, 29 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hi here is an update on Natalya Linichuk.Her daughter is now married and has a beautiful little daughter.She is also currently coaching British squad and medallists Carter Marie Jones and Richard Sharpe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.149.52 (talk) 17:02, 30 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

Removing category Commanders of the Order of St. Olav‎‎

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This category was removed by your bot, but the linked CFD discussion doesn't mention this category, can you tell me why it was deleted?

23:50, 27 August 2015 Cydebot (talk | contribs) deleted page Category:Commanders of the Order of St. Olav (Robot - Removing category Commanders of the Order of St. Olav‎‎ per CFD at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 June 22.)

Suppafly (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2015 (UTC)Reply

As have categories for other awards. What's going on here? They need to be reinstated immediately. You cannot start deleting categories without discussion or consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:21, 3 September 2015 (UTC)Reply
Ah, I see now that the edit summaries are pointing to the wrong discussions. This needs to be sorted out. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Category:Date mathematics templates

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Category:Date mathematics templates, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. I'm notifying you because your bot User:Cydebot was the first editor in the history of the template. --Quest for Truth (talk) 23:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)Reply

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The Signpost: 30 September 2015

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Speedy deletions

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Your bot for listing speedy deletions has stopped working. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:05, 6 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Edit summaries left by Cydebot are insufficient

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The Edit summaries left by Cydebot are insufficient. For example: on 02:56, 27 May 2013 in Category:Swiss women writers I see in the Revision history that Cydebot left a Edit summary saying Robot - Result of CFD discussion was Keep; removing CFD template(s). However there is no wiki-link to the discussion itself. How can interested editors find the discussion whch resulted in the ‘’’Keep’’’ vote? Ottawahitech (talk) 10:14, 16 October 2015 (UTC) please ping meReply

I don't know maybe looking on the talk page where the link to the discussion ALWAYS is? Or is that too complicated for you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.249.130.248 (talk) 12:50, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

EU case law

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Hi Cyde, can you move back the pages to the category "European Union case law"? The new name is Court of Justice of the European Union case law, and it doesn't make sense to have it longer. EU law is the subject and all other legal subject case categories are named after the topic, not the court. Many thanks, Wikidea 16:51, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Should Cydebot redirect these categories instead of deleting them?

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I think Cydebot would use the {{category redirect}} template instead of deleting categories. This would help to mitigate the problem of link rot that is caused by these deletions.

For example, Category:Question and answer sites was deleted after its title was moved to Category:Question and answer websites. Jarble (talk) 19:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

@Jarble: Link rot should not occur after CfD, because admins are supposed to check for backlinks (and update any worthwhile ones) before delisting the old name from the Working page which instructs the bot. WP:CFDAI sets out the procedure. Did you have any cases in mind? – Fayenatic London 20:51, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

EU law again

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Hi there, any chance for moving back the EU case law categories (as above)? I'd be very grateful. Wikidea 13:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Greetings!

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Just want to say hello! I vaguely remember talking to you on some things back in 2008 but not even knowing about what now. I was a high school kid editing Wikipedia then and now am out of school for 3 years now. Wikipedia changed a lot, and you are one of the very few people I recognize here that still edit Wikipedia. Hope all is well. WooyiTalk to me? 15:04, 22 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Mass category deletion?

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As discussed at User talk:Peter coxhead#Template:Taxonomy key, a recent change to Template:Taxonomy key has resulted in the (probably permanent) de-population of somewhere over 4,000 categories. This set consists of every category appearing either on Special:PrefixIndex/Category:Immediate children/ or Special:PrefixIndex/Category:Immediate step-children/. Because these categories were created in connection with a bot (User:Taxobot) that apparently has now been inactive for a couple of years, they seem to serve no purpose at all. They are all eligible for deletion under both CSD C1 and G8 (categories formerly populated by a template).

My question is, can CydeBot mass-delete these without having to go through a discussion or manual listing of the affected categories? I could delete them all myself, but doing it manually would take more time than I am willing to spend. I could also write a script to do it under my account, but that would violate the bot policy. And I don't really want to go through the hassle of a BRFA for an admin-bot just for a one-time cleanup job. So, if you could help out, it would make things a lot easier. Thanks. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:13, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Never mind, this is now resolved. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

My father (Farrand Smith)'s mom Lilian France's Boynton attended Smith College a century ago.

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Hello. I just finished screenshots of your whole Wikipedia essay on Smith College for Culture where my granny Mrs. Lilian B(oynton) Smith attended a century ago. Then what happened? (See "Burning Beethoven"). Now at 61 and not yet married, though wish want and will to be to yet to meet away from here....hushing up now at 12:04am All Saints Day, my Granny B Chieftess among them. Francis Farrand Smith.I am drawing SSI and enable my advocates since I have sunstroke today, and ask Smith College for Cultures' WikiDeanesses (or appropriate) to override and modify the terms you impose once I click send, and empower Smith College, c/o Cyde to... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.42.128.111 (talk) 04:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Moving categories

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When did your bot switch from creating a new category page under the new name to moving the category to be renamed? Moving categories was enabled on May 22, 2014. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:52, 8 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

I don't remember. It's in the edit history if you really want to track it down for some reason. What do you need it for?--Cyde Weys 14:23, 8 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Cydebot bugs

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Hi, thanks again for your prompt attention, updating Cydebot again and again after all the changes in the framework.

When you have time, please look into these:

  1. Regularly removing only one line from a Speedy CFD template [5]
  2. or occasionally blanking the category page instead of just removing the Speedy template [6] [7] [8] [9]
  3. Occasionally blanking a category page instead of just removing a full CFD template [10] [11] [12] [13]

– Fayenatic London 13:26, 7 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I noticed that, too. Only removing part of the Cfd markup from a moved category page. And Good Olfactory tells me he's seen this problem "on quite a few new categories created via speedy" rename. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Today it just blanked several speedily-renamed category pages, including the first five listed here.[14] – Fayenatic London 10:30, 30 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Looking into it now. --Cyde Weys 14:28, 30 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

So the back story here is that the clear CFD templates script is the only script I'm still running that I never ported over to the newer pywikibot-core framework (it still runs on the pywikibot-compat framework). I just pulled latest from pywikibot-compat, so we'll see if that serves as a temporary fix, but if not, I'll have to port it over. It shouldn't be too bad. It's a fairly simple action. --Cyde Weys 14:31, 30 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for trying a fix – unfortunately it has not made any difference. The bot is still blanking some category pages,[15] and removing only one line from other Speedy candidates.
Also, it usually does not finish the job by deleting the old category. From this list it only deleted Category:Subdistricts of Central Sulawesi and Category:Subdistricts of Maluku (province). (It's not as if the retained ones have incoming links, e.g. there are none for [16].) We don't usually want to retain the redirect at the old name, and it would be less work for admins to undelete the ones we want, than to delete all the unnecessary ones. – Fayenatic London 20:28, 30 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

OK, round two of dealing with blanking. Hopefully this fixes it. I did find a related bug while adding tests for this functionality. Patch is here. --Cyde Weys 14:40, 31 October 2015 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, it's still blanking. [17] – Fayenatic London 22:32, 1 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

I'm mostly sure that I got it this time! The aforementioned patch has been updated. --Cyde Weys 15:13, 7 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Thanks; so far so good on speedy rename.[18] What about this one? Non-speedy rename, moved correctly but then incorrectly converted to a redirect. – Fayenatic London 23:27, 8 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Should (hopefully) be good now. I had to modify the code to make a copy of the original category text earlier than it was. --Cyde Weys 03:17, 9 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Testing is confused by something else happening these days which is probably not down to Cydebot, as I have also seen it with Cat-a-lot. Either of these tools may correctly change the category on the articles, but the old category page indicates that a few of the articles are still in it. A null edit on those articles is required before the category will finally appear as empty. Recent examples are 2UE, Franz Götz (politician) and Fritz Schäffer. – Fayenatic London 10:09, 9 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Definitely outside of Cydebot's control. I've dealt with a similar issue, where images being tagged for deletion don't show up in the categories they're supposed to, even after the allotted seven days. Perhaps it's a server issue? — ξxplicit 06:54, 10 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Wow, this is an issue as old as time. The job queue times out, or fails, or something, and the refresh task never gets run. The null edit triggers it manually. It's literally over a decade old, and probably dates to the inception of the job queue, which must be very early in MediaWiki's history. --Cyde Weys 00:22, 12 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

I think we're good now. I haven't seen any CFD template removal issues since the last update I made. Please let me know if something does go wrong. --Cyde Weys 15:22, 15 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I think it's working fine now on CFDW, thanks. It seems to no longer process Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Retain, though. – Fayenatic London 18:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

EU law again

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Hi Cyde, can you move back the pages to the category "European Union case law"? The new name is Court of Justice of the European Union case law, and it doesn't make sense to have it longer. EU law is the subject and all other legal subject case categories are named after the topic, not the court. Many thanks, Wikidea 16:51, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I was just wondering if you could fulfil this request - I'd be very grateful if you could activate your bot. The current category page has been made a complete mess because
  • the name is longer
  • it is technically inaccurate, because the cases predate the current name of the court that are in that category
  • it is inconsistent with all other case category conventions.

I'd also be grateful if you didn't delete the message this time - but I'd be super grateful if you could reverse the changes you made. Wikidea 22:26, 12 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

@Wikidea: Cydebot only processes category names which have been through the WP:CFD discussion process, so there's no point taking it up with Cyde. This rename was proposed here and not contested. If you think the short name would fit the criteria of WP:C2C, you could do a speedy nomination as explained on that page, but a full nomination at CFD would probably be advisable – unless User:Good Olfactory takes your point and would not oppose a speedy reversal. – Fayenatic London 18:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
I think probably a full discussion could be useful here. Whether or not it's inconsistent with other case category convention depends on which tree one is considering. It certainly matches the format of Category:Case law by court and it is a subcategory of Category:Court of Justice of the European Union. I see it more as a case law by court organization than a case law by topic organization. That the name is longer is of little significance. That it is technically inaccurate is a common feature in category names when courts/universities/sports teams etc. change names from time to time. But I agree that it is a not a slam dunk either way, hence a full discussion being worthwhile. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:00, 21 November 2015 (UTC)Reply
Moved to User talk:Good Olfactory § EU law
 – – Fayenatic London 21:01, 21 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

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ArbCom elections are now open!

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Hi,
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User:Cyde/Ace Combat Zero

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Cyde, I noticed User:Cyde/Ace Combat Zero as an old draft you have, it started as the 2006 version of Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War. As you know, userspace policy doesn't really allow for long-term retention of old versions of pages so I was wondering if you have incorporated the edits into the article and can redirect the article there? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:05, 29 November 2015 (UTC)Reply

Removed. I don't even remember why that was there now. --Cyde Weys 23:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

9-month hiatus

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The revision history for User:Cyde/List of candidates for speedy deletion/Subpage has a 9-month hiatus between October 2013 and July 2014. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

Yeah, looks like it stopped working for awhile. Nothing can be done about it now though. --Cyde Weys 23:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

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CFDW/R not working

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Hi Cyde, not sure how often you check this, but it seems that Cydebot hasn't processed Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Retain since October 20? - The Bushranger One ping only 06:29, 22 December 2015 (UTC)Reply

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Cantonese Romanization

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Dear Cyde, I have it in mind to recreate this page which was deleted under your administration. The section now on Cantonese has many inadequacies, i.e. needs expansion, yet is already too detailed and weighty for the main language page, in my view. Would you like to fill me in on what drove the deletion before I wade into this? (I presume you know that the absurdly named Cantonese Pinyin deals with only one of many Cantonese Romanization schemes though the title gives quite a different impression - that needs work, too) sirlanz Sirlanz 03:58, 2 January 2016 (UTC)Reply

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