User talk:Cool Hand Luke/ACE2008

Comments, questions?

Please post them here. Cool Hand Luke 23:21, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

In your response to question 20, you advocate automatic desysoppings of wheel-warring admins. Is it your intention that such desysoppings should be provisional (i.e. to prevent further abuse of admin tools while Arb Comm or some other authority reviews whether a permanent desysopping is justified) or permanent (i.e. tools can be recovered only through a new RFA)? Sarcasticidealist (talk) 19:11, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

It would be an emergency desysop for subsequent review, but most wheel warring is unjustified. Except for truly compelling circumstances (like wheel waring in order to prevent a hacked admin account from committing clear vandalism before a 'crat steward can emergency desysop the hacked account), desysopping would be made permanent—that is, such users would have to reapply for adminship. I would push to clearly announce such a rule in a future wheel warring case. It would be an unfair ex post facto law to mete out this penalty without warning, so the first case might not result in permanent desysop.

Once established as the rule, however, we should stick to it. There's rarely a good excuse to wheel war. If other admins agree with a controversial administrative act, they're free to follow it (and they will not be considered wheel warriors), but no admin should single-handedly fight the acts of multiple others. Admins are supposed to be constrained by community decision making, and wheel warring openly disregards the views of others. Cool Hand Luke 20:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC) Rev'd. Cool Hand Luke 02:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)