User talk:Cobaltbluetony/Archive06

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This archive page covers approximately the dates between 2006-10-14 and 2007-09-30.

Talk page

Indeed. :) --Fang Aili ^talk 01:15, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Project DEJAN

... has been speedily deleted as patent nonsense (in my opinion, obvious, unsourced hoaxes are patent nonsense). Thanks for the headsup, NawlinWiki 03:13, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Purpose of the experiment

Part of the purpose of our experiment is to give evidence that the model Wikipedia uses simply does not work. We aren't interested in "fighting nonsense" on Wikipedia, because Wikipedia simply is not an encyclopedia, but a place where people can play encyclopedia on the web. The current model is flawed, and we are writing a paper which reveals those flaws and talks about how to fix the model itself. ErdosvillePhil 20:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Recreation

Gone. :) --Fang Aili ^talk 17:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Adminship

Yes, I would definitely support you. We need all the vandal fighters we can get. :) NawlinWiki 18:22, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I would co-nom, if I can. Agathoclea 19:07, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• The instructions for setting up an RFA are at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/nominate. NawlinWiki 02:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks for letting me know the page is up. In general though it does not look well if you let too many people know. Also you will need to link in the page to the main RfA page. Agathoclea 22:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

OK first off, you make claims that are unsupported by evidence:

"...I began creating articles and editing things I knew about or could easily locate." - such as? Difs would be great here.

"...I enjoy creating articles for things I find amazing aren't yet documented by someone else." - difs required again.

Secondly, the answer to question 1 is weak. Have you looked at the areas in which admins are involved at all? If you have, can you express a preference for dealing with one over another? Would you close XfD discussions but not deal with copyright problems or image deletions, for instance? This is an opportunity to express your understanding of what the position of admin means - are you a pure vandalfighter/deletionist?

Thirdly, another lack of evidence in the answer to question 3:

"and quickly learned the value of reserved, nuanced responses and commenting on content not contributor." - difs required to demonstrate how and what the effect was.

I learned to rely heavily on the policies and procedures in heated debates, and how to deflate the tension..." - difs required as above;

Spelling and grammar:

for things I find amazing aren't yet documented by someone else > for things that I find amazing but have not yet been documented (line 2)

alot > a lot (line 3)

in a way that allows > ways that allow (lines 3/4)

as to what an encyclopedia is > as to the nature of an encyclopedia (line 4)

beleive > believe (line 15)

learend > learned (line 16)

over which > within which (line 16)

Syntax:

Several long sentences that can be broken in to a series of discrete thoughts, such as:

"I'm not picky; I'll try my hand at any of it, but if I find I excel in one area, or there is alot more need in an area, I'll do whatever I can as my time allows."

This is hard to read and can be broken up as follows:

"I will try my hand [at any of the admin tasks]. [I will specialise in one area] if I find that I excel or if there is a backlog. [Other than that], I am not picky."

I would definitely look favourably upon an RfA that provided evidence and was easy to read. Thank you for the opportunity to express my opinion and I wish you good luck in your application. (aeropagitica) 00:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

still going ahead? Agathoclea 16:57, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If that is the case it might be wise to shelf the idea for a little bit, and revisit once you have the time to be on call for the time of the RfA. What worries me ATM is the unlinked RfA standing currently. It was held against CSCWEM that his RfA was up long before it was linked in. OTOH there were nearly 100 Supports before he even accepted the nomination (and subsequently withdrew due to the issues raised). One thing you might want to watch is the use of editsummaries. There is a setting to force you to use one. Some people look at that when making their mind up. Agathoclea 18:51, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as how you are part of that group for adhering to grammar and you want to be admin, you should at least make sure your user page is w/o spelling and grammatical errors. One of your categories is "Articles which fascinate me." This should be "Articles that fascinate me." Jaardon 13:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Philly meetup

Hi! There will be a Wikipedia Meetup in Philadelphia on 4 November. If you're interested in coming, RSVP by editing Wikipedia:Meetup/Philadelphia 2 to reflect the likelihood of your being able to attend. If you have any questions, feel free to ask my talk page. Hopefully, we'll all see you (and each other) on the 4th! --evrik 16:04, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Given that I am on another continent, it is probably not wise to put me in charge of snacks. Fortunately, the thing is at a restaurant, so food should be easily attainable without my help. As to my coolness, my admin status only makes me the cooler, for I don't even actually do any admin tasks (except deleting pages for moving, occasionally). I'm totally bad ass! I think I need to work harder on carefully cultivating an attitude of blasé indifference. john k 17:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Eh, talking down to you would suggest that I thought my silly imaginary online position of "Administrator of Wikipedia" was actually meaningful, and thus would make me less cool. Part of being cool would have to be with the not giving a damn. Also with the not constantly talking about how I want people to think I'm cool. Also, probably, not editing wikipedia would help with the coolness. john k 18:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• Check this out Wikipedia:Meetup/Philadelphia_2#Press. --evrik ^(talk) 19:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Philadelphia Meetup 3

FYI ... Wikipedia:Meetup/Philadelphia 3 --evrik ^(talk) 00:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Moved Barnstar to User:Cobaltbluetony/Awardsandbarnstars - CobaltBlueTony 16:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For [1]. --Guinnog 14:52, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that notice.

I don't know who this user is or what his beef is, but I've deleted that page and given him 24 hours to respond or I (a) block him and (b) run him up on an ArbCom hearing so fast his head will do a lot more than explode (see his page). - Lucky 6.9 07:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

• Went and investigated this. I think it's an old beef that's since been solved. In fact, this user almost loved me to death with more than 300 smiley images on my talk page. My computer was not happy. I've softened my message. - Lucky 6.9 07:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Edits to old talk pages

Thanks for being so alert. It's kind of weird, but no substantial changes were made, so I don't mind. Thanks again, Fang Aili ^talk 14:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

30th Street Station Image

I realize the image I posted was not favorable. I do, however, think that the kind of security present there is a concern that should be recognized. A train station should have some level of security, not sleeping security guards. I did not visit intending to find something like that. I took a few other pictures, but they were too simliar to existing ones to have any use.M4dr0b 01:31, 8 November 2006 (UTC);

Speedies

Just trying to get past the first ten on the "New Pages" log...  :) NawlinWiki 03:44, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

On the Way to Cape May

Sorry, I don't exactly know much about the song, it was sent to me by my cousin from Cape May and I decided to look it up. Also sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but I'm not on Wikipedia that much. --Bennyp77 00:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Vandal persists

He was persistent indeed but at least he reported himself at WP:AIV. Prolog 00:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

On my way.

Thanks for the tip. Off to hit the rollback! - Lucky 6.9 02:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

refutation of notability argument that led to article deletion (sans any discussion, mind you)

"Please read WP:BIO for biographical notability criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia . Thanks!"

1.) The person has been the primary subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the person.

Todd P print appearances, almost all of which are direct profiles solely on his work:

The Village Voice http://villagevoice.com/music/0626,breihan,73642,22.html

Time Out New York http://toddpnyc.com/images/todd_p_timeoutny.pdf

The Deli Magazine http://thedelimagazine.com/content/kitchen/toddp/index.htm

New York Press http://nypress.com/16/9/music/music2.cfm

The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/fashion/01boite.html?ex=1163566800&en=8f81ef9edb2bd606&ei=5070

The New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/27/arts/music/27club.html

Perhaps you could have actually read the article, as many of these notable press references were cited? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.215.206.159 (talk • contribs) .

Editing JW articles

I tried to send a mail to you in request for the letter. Yours, Summer Song 14:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello, regarding the letter from the christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses, i was wondering if you could send a copy of that letter to my email address Funyan123@yahoo.com.Senti mental 18:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for redirecting the Duke Health Raleigh Hospital Page

Thank you; I fouled up and created the new page rather than updating/moving the old. At any rate, thank you for settingup the redirect (I assume you did this as you were observing my floundering.

Talkaudio Deletion

Hello, thanks for your comments on my Talk page. I saw that you deleted the "Talkaudio" Wikipedia page, and believe that the page does have a right to exist. There was a "Notability" tag on the article which I removed as I believe I had established Notability in the article, was this a mistake?

In summary, reasons for noteability:-

- Coverage by "The Telegraph" in November 2004 (UK National newspaper article)
- Coverage by "Total Car Audio" (UK Car Audio magazine with national distribution
- Coverage of several members vehicles by "Fast Car Magazine" including references to Talkadio
- Coverage of several members vehicles by "Max Power Magazine" including references to Talkadio

These are all independent periodical publications.

I would appreciate it if the article could be re-instated, and welcome your help, comments and suggestions for the page.

Cheers --BladeUK 11:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Divine Plan of the Ages

Excellent catch! I agree with the redirect and have commented to that effect on the original author's talk page. Thanks! NawlinWiki 17:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Concordia Newsletter

NEWSLETTER

Concordia is currently trying to relaunch. I, and all the members of the ex-council, wish to welcome new members to the group. We are a group who aim to promote remaining civil, in an environment where messages can easily be interpretated wrongly.

Help out now!

• Try and help people remain civil! Talk to them, and help them in any way possible. Do not be afraid to use the talk page.
• Give people the Civility Barnstar.
• Make and spread some Wikitokens so people know there are people to help if they want assistance.
• Add banners or logos to your userpage to show your support.
• Suggest some ideas! Add 'em to the talk page.

We are a community, so can only work though community contributions and support. It's the helping that counts.

Decision Making

The council expired one month ago, but due to the current position of the group the current council will remain until the position of the group can be assessed, and whether it would be sensible to keep Concordia going. For most decisions, however, it will be decided by all who choose to partake in discussions. I am trying to relaunch because of the vast amounts of new members we have received, demonstrating that the aims are supported.

If you wish to opt of of further talk-page communications, just let us know here.

- Ian¹³/t 20:29, 13 December 2006 (UTC). Kindly delivered by MiszaBot.

Victor kadungure

Hello. Victor kadungure is not a candidate for CSD G4 as that only applies to XfD-deleted articles, not to speedily deleted ones. Still a speedy candidate though: I changed it to A7. Cheers! Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If the deletion log lists a WP:CSD - A7 or whatever - then a G4 tag is not appropriate. If, on the other hand, the deletion log looks like this, a G4 is in order. Hope this helps. Angus McLellan (Talk) 23:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Bronx Science Alumni

Sorry! Let me recopy what I posted to Cruz:

'Wow, that was fast! I do not mean to overstep my bounds, and you may go ahead and delete that (those) articles if you see fit. I am a major collaborator on the Bronx High School of Science article, and was just making sure our alumni that exist in wikipedia all have Bronx Science credits. Some of the alumni listed in our Alumni section do not have articles. I just added that phrase. isnt a little bit of information better then none?-'--Rocketrye12 05:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

superfluous is subjective. But, I shall bow my head to the wikipedia aristocrats, and willfully obey. Now I know for next time!--Rocketrye12 05:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I "don't" sense "any" facetiousness, nor "do" I see "where" you "are" coming from. But, thank you for calling me smart!--Rocketrye12 06:00, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:Bold. I'm only playing with you! Happy wiki'ing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rocketrye12 (talk • contribs) 01:09, December 26, 2006

Re : PennSix (band)

Article restored as contested prod. - Mailer Diablo 17:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

• Also done. It took quite a while because South-East Asia is suffering from terrible Internet speeds after underground cables got destroyed by the Taiwanese earthquake. It takes around 2 minutes just to process a page. - Mailer Diablo 17:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Falsely accuse

Then i stand corrected. I am absolutely annoyed because user:Oden is a little power-driven mad to do whatever it takes to trash this user: YuRiPa in public. Whatever this user has done, Oden is determined to do whatever it takes to accuse anyone who contributes to that article as sockpuppeteers? What kind of logic is that? Yes, i claimed that i am a frequent flyer of SIA, and when i browsed through the Singapore Airlines article, I went to the link of Singapore Girl and I was amazed to find there is an article about that subject. I look through the previous edited pages and i wonder why would anyone delete that segment of Symbol of SIA cos it is after all self explanatory that the Singapore Girl is the symbol of SIA.

When i revert the pages, i discovered only later Oden tagged me as a sockpuppeteer along with other list of names like IanFuller and Shimmer77. I do not know who are these people or whether do they belong to one person, i do not know. But can i firmly say that juz because i am editing an article on the subject i like for the first time and i am accused of sockpuppetry. I do not feel this is reasonable at all! Of course i was pissed when click onto the case whereby Oden made a suspect list and i am one of them. Once this is settle could you please tell him not to take it easy? Wikipedia is supposed to be a fun editing protocol with most accurate information without having to face disputes like this. Perhaps this carries on, then Wikipedia should seriously consider ffree editing brcause this will only caused more disputes and unfair justice treated towards newcomers. Please advise! Regards,Jetcali 17:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words and your smiley tags. If only there are nicies like you (nice people). ;) Wikipedia wouldn't be such a place whereby people get judged because they contribute to something. Regarding abt being personal, I did assume good faith, i did not do anything. Just a simple revert and i get blamed and accused for everything. If u have the time, could you advise Oden not to trash other users? When i browsed through that article, i strongly believe Yuripa started the article and then Oden disagreed and then made changes which made Yuripa mad, which caused Oden to write to Administrators to block her, ans then Yuripa got mad and prob create another account to counter attack or revert the changes made by Oden. I am not siding with anyone... perhaps Oden triggered the whole madness by making reverts and then with Yuripa retaliating.... i get pulled into this mess... Geeesh... i will take it easy but please tell Oden to take it easy too...

He is kinda scary in a way he uses tags and copied segments to provide evidence that is not necessary concrete at all! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jetcali (talk • contribs) 18:20, 27 December 2006.

Hi! Just wanted to let you know that Jetcali (talk · contribs) is a confirmed puppet account for YuRiPa (talk · contribs) (Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/YuRiPa (3rd)). Cheers! --Oden 09:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

PennSix

Hi. My concern was and is that the group in question is not sufficiently notable as per the guidelines enunciated for musical groups. I'll give you some time to improve the article before bringing it to a deletion nomination. The best way to establish the notability of the article would be to find mulitple, non-trivial secondary and independent sources (books, newspaper articles, significant awards). The group's website is not sufficient. For example, if the claim that 100 people audition every year can be sourced to something other than the group's own website, that would be optimal. The point is that the information should be verifiable; anyone, even someone not a member of the group, should be able to research them and write the article, and they shouldn't have to rely on the group's own claims. Hope this helps, feel free to contact me with any more questions.

Your instinct to look for other sources is correct, but just asking the group themself for more information might not be the best way. Ask them if they know where this information has been published by independent sources, instead. savid@n 18:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

John R. Ryan

Yea, thanks buddy for your contribution to Wikipedia by tagging my article I just put up for deletion. What relevance does it have? How relevent is dick cheese. He, John R. Ryan is a person who held a position of great authority and influence. Be a little more lenient and understanding in the future, please. --ProdigySportsman 00:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

• The John R. Ryan will stay as being the chancellor of a major university system qualifies this person as being quite notable enough. Speedy deletion tags have been removed.

--Joebengo 20:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

WelcomeBot

I noticed you welcome noobs. I am doing research in prep for the welcomebot trail in order to establish some facts on new user trends. Please can you have a look at Category:WelcomeBotResearch. I would appreciate your involvement. Also so as to assist, please can you sub your welcome template with {{welcome123}} which includes that category. Thanks. frummer 02:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Greg Olsen

i just wanted to tell you i added more information to the Greg Olsen (Football) article. I am wondering if you can get rid of the deletion sign.--Bucs10 06:52, 1 January 2007 (UTC)Bucs10

Slim Jim

I just wanted to thank you for your help in fixing the copyvio in Slim Jim a few days ago. Thanks! Wodup 06:26, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Syed Haroon Haider Gilani

Thanks for that! I realised once I got to his talk page that the guy seems to be using his account for spam and not much else, so I added a note to the end of the template about the spamming in addition to the usual {{db-bio}} stuff. Many thanks for picking it up so quickly. Squeezeweasel 17:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Kris Kremo

Re: site, I take a particular interest in the mention of his Guinness World Record. The GWR site doesn't turn up any results for "juggling" or "kris kremo", but apparently the only people with access to all 40 000 records are UKers with cell phones (maybe you know someone who fits those criteria?). There's also the Juggler's World convention at which he appeared, coming from the same site used as a reference on other juggler pages. If nothing else, it does look like he's notable among jugglers. --Raeven0 00:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

South Jersey

Re your message: I'm not disputing anything. But the article has no references at all and therefore could contain original research. --ElectricEye (talk) 16:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

My user page

I probably ought to start keeping one of those vandalism counters, but it would be too much work updating it all the time ;-) Fan-1967 21:27, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not even an admin. I just spend a lot of time annoying vandals and teenagers (often the same thing). Fan-1967 21:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Native disorder in protein structures

This is not a copyright infringement at all. The text came directly from a publicly supported research institution and, as such, all of its material is in the public domain. I even placed a direct link to the original work. Please discuss before labelling it as such. Thanks! --Thorwald 02:38, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome!

Hello Cobaltbluetony. Thanks for the welcome message on my talk page. Those links are really handy.--IE 12:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Civility template

Thanks for your note, the discussion about whether template should be deleted is here... Addhoc 19:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Civility templates' deletion

I posted on the templates' talk page in response to the deletion of these templates. It's not such a bad idea in my opinion, although I do think that the edit advice template does not need to be deleted. -- Cielomobile ^{talk / contribs} 05:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Devlas

His claim that what he typed on the talk page consists of "copyrighted material" is of course nonsense. He is concerned that he could be linked to his effort to use Wikipedia as part of a project and probably finds it embarrassing. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 00:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Brookie :) - a will o' the wisp ! ^(Whisper...) 17:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Altocelarophobia

Thank you for showing interest in this site, but I would like to mention that this article was a requested article in social sciences and philosophy section (it has now been removed but can still be seen of the page history), and has therefore been properly proposed by Wikipedia's users. If the article was neologism than it was of no fault on my own and, seeing as was requested, I see know other “stable” name, although I see no problem with altocelarophobia.

I found your comment on the talkpage both unhelpful and patronising however. Matt. P 18:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Moose

Yeah sorry about that. It's been a long night and it may have slipped past me. Cheers--Markie1234 21:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Your comment to my comment to Fang Aili

It is the same as in the case of say measurement units, or math, where each user may have its own conventions. However, in the case of the music terminology, I think some British folks may have moved the stuff. In simple cases, such as measurement units, and spelling of words, perhaps the Wiki software might become upgraded, giving readers a choice of alternatives. Haberg 20:41, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Excuse Me?

I beg your pardon but please could you explain the vulgar and offesive message which you placed on my Talk page. As a devout christian I was shocked when I discovered this vulgarity and wish for an explanation.

Breathe Reprise 14:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI - this was apparently an attempted practical joke. Another confederated user modified your welcome message to include nonsense - these changes were reverted before you responded, as was (accidentally, I presume) my previous warning to the user for the Stephen King vandalism. Kuru ^talk 03:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

livesimply

I really feel that you guys dont understand the importance of the article.

anyway I dont really care any more

its clear you wont let it out

so theres no point

)

)

--82.35.129.230 19:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of user accounts

Unfortunately, deletion of user accounts is not possible. I've already renamed the user, and if they choose, they can request the deletion of the user and user talk page redirect. Only a developer can entirely remove all references to a user from the database, and I doubt that they would consider it in this case. Warofdreams talk 17:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Redirected IP user page

I noticed that you redirected User:82.35.129.230. How do you know that he is the exclusive owner of that IP? Couldn't it be one of a pool of DHCP addresses? - Jhinman 21:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right that the user was editing from that IP at that time. However, he probably doesn't own that IP, and in a few days he might switch to a new one. Then another user would be associated with the users account by their IP. That's why I don't think the IP user page should be redirected. Jhinman 07:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Adminship again

You got started on developing your RfA page some time ago, but never included it on WP:RFA, therefore to just withered away. If you are still interrested I would like to nominate you, which I think would be more benefitial than a selfnom. I will also ask my nominator to have a quick look at your contributions for an appraisal. Please also look at WT:RFA to have a feel for the current developments. Agathoclea 22:11, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Hope you are feeling better soon. Take a look at these comments when you can. Agathoclea 00:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages

Thanks for the signing and all the follow up on the talk pages. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 10:17, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Finally, I beat you! CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 23:38, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

International Dateline

CBT - The poll was up for six and a half days. It didn't look like the result was going to change, especially for the location. The date had a number of multiple voters. Sorry if I offended. --evrik ^(talk) 14:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

• I did notify you ... Philadelphia Meetup 3 [2] --evrik ^(talk) 16:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Meetup

If possible, stop by the meetup page. This is coming up soon and we need to finalize and get invites out. ike9898 23:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Res Rei

Fine, but can you allow the article on the god that I worship to be submitted?!!?! This is an outrage!!! Res Rei, although you or others may not beleive, IS the CREATOR of all things!!! I beleive that, and so do many others! I think that this article deserves to be on Wikipedia, and not allowing it is like telling our people to fuck off.

Goggleboy1991 17:25, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

You're invited to the
Philadelphia-area Wikipedia Meetup

Sunday March 4, 2007
5pm
Independence Brew Pub

RSVP

(view/edit this template)

Messiaen's pupils

Hello. Thanks for your message. I don't argue that the list of pupils is entirely irrelevant. If I thought that I'd have boldly deleted them from Wikipedia altogether! I merely think that a long list of pupils is inappropriate for the lead paragraph, and that the direction it was potentially going in was the addition to the article of anyone who studied with Messiaen, however briefly or notably. I feel that his students Boulez (who was perhaps his most prominent champion, and who both commissioned works and arranged first performances), Loriod (obviously) and Benjamin (who has been closely associated with Messiaen's music, and who even helped complete one of his works) are definitely worth mentioning in the lead. However I even have my doubts about whether Stockhausen and Xenakis belong in the lead. I think Stockhausen and Xenakis should certainly be mentioned in the body of the article because they serve as examples of how Messiaen encouraged his students to find their own voices rather than imposing his own ideas. But what does the bare fact of his teaching of William Bolcom, Tristan Murail, Theodorakis (or Alexander Goehr or Karel Goeyvaerts for that matter) add to what we know about Messiaen? If it adds something, then we should be able to say what it is in each case. Otherwise we will end up with an indiscriminate list (edit summary: "if you can add Betsy Jolas then I can add Pia Sebastiani and Raffi Ourgandjian") - until we reach entirely non-notable Messiaen pupils. I think the place for such a list is in a separate list article (which is why I started one), not in an encyclopedia article about their teacher. I have taken the liberty of pasting your original message to me and this reply onto the Messiaen talk page. Best wishes, --RobertG ♬ talk 12:41, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

wikiformatfix - hope you don't mind

I don't mind. + I am grateful. Thank you. Charles01 17:42, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Talk page

Re: [3], thanks for the assistance. :) --Fang Aili ^talk 17:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

No problem. :-) - CobaltBlueTony 17:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Dominance: ToE

I need help with this one, it's my first wiki article. I have a problem with finding sources that would make this product notable in your eyes. It is the first (and only so far) Croatian MPOG but there are no online articles stating that. What else can be done in order to verify that the game in question is notable? Please help, thank you in advance!

Edit: Concerning your comment on Image:Foto-dominance.jpg, I'm under the impression you did not check weather I made a response or addressed the issue (which I have, I have used appropriate licensing tag on the picture in question), and since that was your only response on my plea for help and clarification, I'm also under the impression you do not respect new users and that's the way things are done here.

I do not wish to troll. Please, help me clarify the issue of the Dominance: ToE page and let's put this behind us.

Update: Thank you for your help. Yes, I'm completely new to this and do not know the proper netiquette concerning posting. Anyway, as far as the Dominance: ToE article is concerned, I stated my case here, so you can feel free to either delete the article or leave it as it is. As soon as I get more information on the relevancy of the article, It will be posted but currently I have no such information. If you leave the page and do not delete it, I'll do my best to fix the issue with the picture (sorry about that too, haven't realized it was not fixed). Ivoelezovic 21:39, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm awesome.

I'm really quick on the block trigger today. And if you want a laugh, check out this block. *rolls eyes* -- Merope 17:49, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Do I mind?!

I know, it's unsatisfying when you're trolling for speedy-deleteable pages and someone always beats you to it. Happens to me a lot, since I'm not using any hoopy tools or fancy Javas**t. Happy tagging. --Finngall 16:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

FYI

CobaltBlue612 (talk · contribs) - sock of somebody, but I don't know who. Agathoclea 09:16, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Appears to be a coincidence. You'll find the history in the AN/I thread. Agathoclea 17:19, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

• I'm no sock-puppet. It appears to be a case of similiar names. Feel free to do an IP check on me, you'll find I contribute primarily via my IP address and only bothered to register in light of the recent GRAW 2 fun and games.... CobaltBlue612 08:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for reverting vandalism to my userpage. —Wknight94 (talk) 17:39, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Nice ATT/Poll comment

Hi! Although I voted against all, I really liked your comment a lot - it is very insightful, and I agree with it almost completely. I wish it was reflected better in ATT, which might have happened if there was broader discussion during writing of it. As it is now, ATT has some serious flaws, and what is also troubling is the way it was suddenly presented to editors, thru the poll. For en even more extreme example, see Fringe theories link from it. It was just declared a guideline without even consulting other editors!?! It even further distances from your expressed view. At least I think so. Anyway, I found it interesting that even though our views seem to be so overlapping on this particular issue, that we voted completely opposite! Cheers. Lakinekaki 17:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Help please - slander

You helped out with Architects Registration Board a short time ago. The web-link that Plasmon inserted might well offend ARB but that is no indication that AARUK provides anything other than useful and objective information. One of the criticisms frequently made of ARB in the UK architectural press that it over-regulates, and this is amply demonstrated by AARUK and the ARB's censorial intervention. The last comment appears slanderous - there is certainly no evidence to demonstrate that the contributors to AARUK are "disaffected". Can you block the site for a bit? Many thanks. Salisian 10:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Philly Meetup 4

Please help resolve the odd dispute that has arisen at the voting page. Please cast your run-off vote by May 27th. Thank you! --SpiralingMusic 04:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Philadelphia Invite

You're invited to the
Philadelphia-area Wikipedia Meetup
Sunday July 8, 2007
Time: 5:00 pm
Location: It will be in Center City, Philadelphia at 112 North 9th Street Philadelphia, PA 19107.
Tel: (215) 829-8939

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Wikimedia Pennsylvania

Hello there!

I'm writing to inform you that we are now forming the first local Wikimedia Chapter in the United States: Wikimedia Pennsylvania. Our goals are to perform outreach and fundraising activities on behalf of the various Wikimedia projects. If you're interested in being a part of the chapter, or just want to know more, you can:

• Contact us on IRC at #wikimedia-pa
• Join our mailing list
• Visit our blog at http://wmfpa.blogspot.com

Thanks and I hope you join up! Cbrown1023 talk 02:53, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Millionare?

I don't edit that page. Think you have the wrong IP or someone is pulling one on Wiki. 4.152.213.148 16:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Introduction

Huh? It was a cross-space redirect left from a move. Now it is empty so that it can be used for the purpose you describe. It has been used for moves and deleted afterward to remove the redirects numerous times. Any restorable content would just be redirects to various articles it temporarily housed and a few vandal edits. Carlossuarez46 16:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The only edit in the last year and a half was to make a redirect to Richard Evans (British author), better that you edit that article than purely a redirect. Carlossuarez46 16:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

From the logs both contributions and deleted edits it does not appear that you have ever edited that page until you recreated it just now. Check your contributions, were the edits made to to Wikipedia:Introduction? Carlossuarez46 17:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hans Georg Herzog

All Olympic athletes are notable, according to the WP:N sub-pages for sports. Whether this rule makes sense is another matter, but it does seem to be the rule here, so I declined to speedy, & advise you that it will certainly pass AfD. Thing to do is to expand it. DGG (talk) 17:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks for the note, but I don't have the power to block. Maybe next time when you are an admin, then I'll ask you instead. :-) — Indon (reply) — 13:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hitomi- My Stepsister

Thanks for the speedy tag. Please do warn users when you speedy tag articles they've created. If you install WP:TWINKLE, it'll pretty much do it for you. --Dweller 15:14, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Ooh 'eck, I can't do monobooks meself. Lol. I had similar problems. Are you using IE? If so, try Firefox. I could not get Twinkle to work on IE no matter how hard I tried (and on several different machines) but on Firefox, it worked a treat. --Dweller 16:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Erm, tried the control shift R thingy? If you have, there are loads of ppl around who can help you 1,000,000 times better than I can. It's worth persevering - TWINKLE is extremely useful and a great time-saver, especially when dealing with vandals. --Dweller 16:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Cnnbs

Hello! My name is juliette. I made both articles Cnnbs and CNNBS! I want to leave just 1 but I'd rather leave the one in all capital letters. I need your help! Juliette Moore 17:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Juliette Moore (talk • contribs) 16:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Cnnbs 2

Also, the band has notoriety at least in argentina. IS playing in local radios too, has won several prizes and is MY FAVOURITE rnr band. Please, dont delete article! Juliette Moore 17:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

moved to User:Cobaltbluetony/Awardsandbarnstars. Thank you! - CobaltBlueTony 13:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

You have me pegged

LOL, thanks for the tips. NawlinWiki 17:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Poke?

What is this, Facebook?  ;) Thanks for the tip. NawlinWiki 20:58, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Spam

[4] Try to be a little more careful when tagging articles for speedy deletion. G11 is for blatant advertising only; that is, articles that say "we're the cheapest store in the world and our products are awesome, come visit us now!" Articles that merely describe a company without being overly promotional are not eligible for speedy deletion. Melsaran (talk) 17:38, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Oh, I wasn't aware of that, thanks! Bmg916^Speak 18:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Cite code

Howdy, I saw your work on referencing the Yawn articled; great work! I think the bit of code you were looking for to create several inline citations to the same footnote is <ref name=pandiculate/>. The ending slash makes it a footnote to the same citation as the first time the pandiculate ref is used. No need to have a second (closing) ref tag. More information on the use of Cite.php is at wikimedia:Extension:Cite/Cite.php. I went ahead and added it to the yawn article. Hope this helps. --TeaDrinker 19:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Perumkadavila

The article is not the best written, but the links to both the page explaining the political structure and the one village that has a Wiki article do may it clear what the article is trying to be. Nuttah68 19:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

quick note about CSD G4

Hi. Please be aware that CSD criteria G4 (repost of deleted content) only applies to things that were deleted after an articles for deletion discussion. Speedily deleted or prodded articles that are reposted cannot be speedily deleted under G4, although usually the original deletion reason will still apply. Natalie 14:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

CSD A7

Hi. I came across your speedy deletion tag on Gamay Trout and just wanted to point out to you that WP:CSD#A7 is specifically for people (individually or grouped) and websites. There is no consensus for speedily deleting other articles types under that criterion. As Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Explanations notes, other articles that fail to assert notability need to go through WP:PROD or WP:AFD. Thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl 13:49, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know either, but that's the consensus. :) I have gnashed my teeth many a time over a patently improper article that doesn't fit any of the criteria. --Moonriddengirl 13:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnoldswick and Earby Times

Hi thanks for your comments about this article. 7500 readers may not, in your opinion, be a substantial figure and therefore not qualify as notable. However the newspaper has over 100 years of being in print, although I can't find any reliable web source for that fact. Therefore I will redirect the page to the Nelson Leader - as these share the same publisher and largely the same editorial team. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Northernpeak (talk • contribs) 15:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Cody moldan

Why would you waste your time removing the attack? It's still non-notable, and will be deleted soon. - CobaltBlueTony 16:30, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Because "soon" often ends up being far too long. There is no reason to leave the attack up so the kids can point out the page to their friends and make fun of the subject. Also, what makes you believe I thought he would be considered notable? The page was created for no other purpose than to disparage its subject. Removing the attack doesn't change that. --Onorem♠Dil 16:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Eek

A lot of users seem to think that because a character exists, Wikipedia is obligated to contain a biography for them. Heh.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 20:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, then take some sort of mediation against him, slap him with a 3RR or find a compromise where Superman X is covered under Superman in popular culture of Kon-El in other media. It's a common misconception Wikipedia is obliged to do character histories when in fact, it's only for real world notability.~Zythe^{Talk to me!} 14:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For this here, after the user responded to you telling you to 'shut up' here, I simply removed the whole topic from my talk page and warned the user against personal attacks. Bmg916^Speak 16:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Boy, I'd say so. Bmg916^Speak 16:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Magnus Harmonica Corporation

Since you are determined to submit this article for deletion if I do not find more references, do you have any suggestions on how to find material on a small company that went under 30yrs ago? There is VERY little information available on-line or published. All the information on the page is either fact or was verified thru my personal collecion, (range, production date, color, etc). I could take pics of each model that I listed and post for verification but I'm out of ideas here... please help the new man out!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixthstar (talk • contribs) 16:59, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Followup: Google and Yahoo will not yeild any additional results. I'm a musician and have studied Magnus for a long time and made many trips to the library and hall of records and just not enough information exists. You will agree there is a lot of garbage on here, and certainly less notable companies and topics, However I feel that they were a notable company, as they were the primary manufacturer of these electric chord organs (There are 32 listed on ebay and craigslist as we speak). But organized and verifiable information just does not exist easily, (fact just doesnt seem to cut it on here), which is why i hoped to start a wikipedia so others could find at least something to know they existed and get a few facts and specifications. I'm done on this topic, if you want it deleted then submit it... and deprive the 30yr defunct company a spot in the modern world... I dont even care anymore... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sixthstar (talk • contribs) 18:08, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Asleep in Panama

Nahh, as long as they stop posting the article. We'll know soon enough. NawlinWiki 19:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Re:Corolle dolls

One more and i'll just ban them...

;)

Reedy Boy 20:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

triangle triangle

Thanks, I even reported that little rascal who has nothing better to do than try and create a page about some "rock song by a welsh group about shapes" ViperSnake151 21:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)