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You do realize that a ship is often both an armored frigate and broadside ironclad because the former term is a role, while the latter is more of a technical description?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:42, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Indeed, but the term "broadside ironclad" is more appropiate for the Infobox, the first term can be used in the article itself. In fact, I´m currently gathering all the sources and documentation than I have to write a more extensive article about this Peruvian ironclad. Greetings.--Cloudaoc (talk) 13:46, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Good, I'll look forward to seeing whatever you can put together. Hopefully Spanish-language sources have a complete history for her.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:01, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Great photo's of military vehicles.

Hi Cloudaoc, You have some great photo's of military vehicles. My i use some on the website i am an editor of? It is called www.military-vehicle-photos.com Regards, Alf The Netherlands. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alfvanbeem (talk • contribs) 19:16, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello! Of course you can use my pictures in your website! Just please make reference to my personal page of Wikipedia. Regards! --Cloudaoc (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

TARADITO

INDIO TARADO — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjhcq (talk • contribs) 02:55, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

About the capture of the Huascar

Sir, I do not intend to point out that the ship surrendered. I just said that the flag ceased to be hoisted. That is why, at the end of the text, gave the interpretation of each country. I never wrote the crew surrendered, I wrote the flag ceased to be raised to me sounds neutral enough in relation to the difference of the two countries.

I personally believe in the Peruvian version of the fall of the flag, by the intense gunfire, the first time. but the second time I have doubts, especially the fact that some crew members, on deck, waved white handkerchiefs and why no attempt was refused boarding? because, according to the inventory of September 30, 1879, there was enough weaponry that was not used, and Chileans found in the ship after capture. I've even come to think of a partial surrender; deck crew surrendered (some even jumped into the sea and were rescued by the Blanco) while inside the ship, another part of the crew, tried to sink it.

On the other hand, as I read in relation to the capture of Rimac, by Peruvian sources, this transport not lowered their flag, they (the crew) hoisted a white one, that means ship negotiate delivery, but in the end it's just a technicality.

Greetings--LoboGuardian (talk) 03:19, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Sir, the articles in Wikipedia are not made to please both Peruvian or Chilean readers, but to reflect the facts as they are, with a neutral description, which implies the absence of biased points-of-view and/or sources. And that's all.

It doesn't matter if you believe or not in the Peruvian account, the flag was take down by the gunfire twice, and that's all. We are not here to judge or adapt the facts to satisfy the readers POV, but only to sustain the true facts, as they are.

About the second fall of the flag, this time there no hoist or mast when this can be raised again, and the ship was captured without any opposition because the remaining crew still able to do something more than just bleed-off (almost all the crew was injured sir) was busy trying to scuttle the ship, opening the main engine condensator, because the Huascar did not have seacocks. No officer surrender its weapons, all of them dropped their swords and guns to the sea, nobody jumped of the ship, that's a false statement and I don't remember that line in any Chilean report of the battle, again, the remaining crew was busy trying to scuttle the ship, and moving the wounded to the main deck; there also no ammunition for its weapons, because the magazines were flooded or burning.

The hoist of a white flag is a effectively not a sign of surrender, but the commander of the ship and the calvary colonel on board surrender its weapons to the Commander Carvajal, and this is a clear sign of surrender.

Thanks for your interest and for your comprehension, i'll hope we can work together to improve the articles of the War of the Pacific as we do it in the Angamos article. Regards! -Cloudaoc (talk) 18:09, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

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NLA

The reference is in the article. I made the change after the article was published and sources corroborated the name change. -Kudzu1 (talk) 00:02, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I read the article and the only reference (Times of India), but this does not indicate the source of such affirmation, and AFAIK there is no other references to such affirmation. Greetings.Cloudaoc (talk) 00:22, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

War of the Pacific: Defensive Alliance

Hello Cloudaoc, I read your comment in the article and would like to express my point of view on the matter. The sentence in question is not to determine whether we should post the "Peru/Bolivia point of view" or the "Chile point of view". These are things we know:

1. Chilean historiography assumes that the Peru-Bolivia mutual defense pact is aimed against Chile.
2. Peruvian/Bolivian historiography refutes the claim that the mutual defense pact was aimed against Chile.

I am not contesting either point of view. The point I am trying to uphold is that regardless of any POV, the historical record shows that Chile fought a defensive alliance of Peru and Bolivia. Hence, it's appropiate to include this in the introductory summary section. Meanwhile, the body of the article ("Background" and "Crisis" sections) are the appropiate places where the topic is further discussed. If you would like to take part in this discussion [1], it would be great if we stood on the same grounds. Thank you!--MarshalN20 | ^Talk 22:54, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For the several contributions done to improve Peru-related articles. MarshalN20 | Talk 20:53, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

You deserve it for all the tireless contributions made to Peru related articles. I wish the Peru project would have a formal barnstar to award its contributors, but this one is a good temporary one until they do. Keep up the great work!--MarshalN20 | ^Talk 20:54, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Well, I don't have much more to say! Thanks again!--Ian (CloudAOC) | ^Talk 02:10, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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